To be clear: the treaties that ban "war crimes" only work one way; if someone were to, for instance, invade a country that has agreed under the Geneva convention not to use chemical weapons but happens to also keep a significant stock of chemical weapons, this isn't a contradiction; because any means can be used in *self-defense* within that country's territory. This is an important thing to note because it generally means that, there is no human government more dangerous at any given time than one on the defensive.
Thats not accurate. Conventions against chemical weapons are specifically to their use, not their possession. Chemical Weapons have wide ranges of use, most important for war is for research on treatments and the training of technicians on how to identify toxins. Also, Tear Gas and Pepperspray are chemical weapons, but used in a non lethal capacity. Agent Orange was a chemical weapon, and its use both was, and was not a war crime. To use chemicals to clear brush in an area of operation is not a war crime, seeing how doing so manually would not be a war crime either, however, using chemicals or manual labor en mass to destroy vital ecosystems for the purpose of disrupting economics/food/moral is a war crime, in that, the US broke the geneva convention in Vietnam. At the time, the US claimed that Vietnam was a police action, and that since they were there on request of South Vietnam, there couldnt be any war crimes. These are the same claims made by russia today in Ukraine, and they are just as see through as they were 60 years ago. And no, all means are not acceptable in self defense. If Mexico invades Texas tomorrow, the US is not free to drop VX gas on Mexico city. WMDs are and always were, a weapon of totality reserved for action when no other would preserve a nation. Thats why WW3 never happened. Both sides saw that it didnt really matter who fired the first nukes, because once you do, the retaliation will garuntee that your side is not around to enjoy the fruits of victory. MAD is both the most insane and genius military strategy ever devised. Because it wasnt developed intentionally. MAD was not created, it evolved naturally. People had to write the theories behind it not as a way to justify it or propose it, but as a way to explain the situation they had already found themselves in. And thats why a full scale nuclear exchange between 2 nuclear powers is near impossible. Because unlike conventional wars, The leaders are in just as much danger as the soldiers on the ground, possibly more so.
@@theduke7539 "I do not fear the country with 100 nuclear weapons. But I am terrified of the country with only one." (badly paraphrased, but there it is.)
"warcime" that word does not exist in any of Imperial dialects. No mention of it was found even in oldest records of the Imperial Palace dating back to unification wars on Holy Terra.
You see, dear Inuisitor, it is a term used before The Long Night to describe an inexcusable crime during the time of war. As our glorious imperium is not at war, but in crusades (as our dearest God-Empreror of mankind intended, praise be his name), we do not have a requirement for such a word.
≡][≡ It's a word used before the dark ages roughly translated as "excessive collateral damage" - like when one of our order uses a life eater virus to punish someone for short-changing him.≡][≡
at least until some xenos decided to goto war with Earth, then we will be eating their babies while seasoning them with capsaicin, cooking with napalm, all while tossing things worse than nukes into their planet/sun like they are candies
Hearts and minds! If your back is too the wall and you know that slavery and torture are all that await if you are captured, you are in Death Ground. Creatures fight like a cornered animal if they feel they are in such a position. But if they know they will be treated fairly and justly, surrender is not a hard choice for most.
@Anomaly-uz9pr most likely because of the groups we were fighting at the time. Good treatment in their hands would be a quick bullet to the head. Also considering it as an option is a defeatist mindset that acts like a virus
That, and "splitting the atom = boom" is far simpler than using that concept to created safe, efficient power. Destruction is far easier than creation.
@@davidtucker9498 Actually we had safe graphite core slow neutron breeder reactors and smaller than boom enriched uranium reactions before we built the bombs. Building bombs is not easier.
“Under no circumstances must the Xeno be trusted. It will lie, it will cheat, and it will do everything to undermine those who, in truth, are it’s superiors.” - Commonwealth of Man
Greetings Mentlegent For the rhythm that is algo I doubt these so called "Wisdoms" have the self awareness or shame to be motivated by the existence of the human concept of war crimes. However, the more practical points probably got through.
This feels like some End-of-History stuff, where all history ended after the Cold War. But that's not true, as a rising China and resurgent Russia have shown that the liberal order can be challenged. While I don't know if the FTL part would come about, the story takes the path of least resistance in declaring the cold war over being the end of history. I DO LIKE the idea that Aliens never came up with War Crimes, brought a tear to my eye. But the aliens should know that a factions collapse doesn't mean good times are here forever.
Seriously. It’s supposed to be seen as dramatic and a exciting end but it’s just wildly unsatisfying. It’s almost like the writing structure was developed this was for a reason.
The Humans have a warbeast. Well how should I begin I guess with my name I am captain Locshre of well of what was the 6th armored platoon on Durin 5 we were tasked with occupieing a human world the attack fleet swated away there defense fleet and we landed to clean up the ground forces we took over one of there bunkers and set up heavy laser turrets to keep the humans at bay it was on the 4th day at about sun down we saw 3 platoons of Humans marching on our post when the corporal said look there sir what is that? I looked and saw a thing that had a gun for a head and a slanted body crawling on conveyors the humans looked as if they were leading it out to pastor to graze one of our laser turrets fired at it the shot hit and there was smoke covering it and it stopped when the smoke cleared the humans had taken cover and the warbeast was sitting there with out a scratch the head gun turned and it was then I realized it was a turret it let out a thundering boom and the heavy laser turret was gone a few seconds after and then more of these warbeast charged out the back of the humans lines and the world was nothing but a loud boom after another I fell unconscious and awoke with a human putting me in a transport as we drove past one of there warbeast I could hear a human say. Hay tank head get your hunk of junk off the road we need to move out the trucks. Hunks of junk a warbeast that can take a hit from a heavy laser turret and blow it to atoms is a hunk of junk now I wonder what the real expensive equipment can do.
So a bunch of aliens are convinced that humans are good because we don't do what they consider normal? For that to happen you need to establish why they consider treating pows with respect moral and if they consider it moral why they don't do it?
Also, it's complete, utter, BULLSHIT. Since WW2, do you know who the ONLY enemy that the US has fought that didn't torture and kill our POWs was? The f***ing NAZIS! (And even Hitler, like Japan, ordered their execution. The Luftwaffe refused to comply.) Every other opponent since 1945 that we have openly engaged with committed war crime, tortured POWs, and targeted civilians. Every. Single. One. What is attributed to "hUmAniTy" by the alien is nearly EXCLUSIVE to Western Civilization. It is based on culture and moral tradition, NOT an innate human feature. This story was so blatantly ignorant and tone deaf, it's downright sickening...
idk if you're actually serious about this or not the writer is saying: this galactic council finds it more heinous to discover nuclear weapons *before* nuclear power these are the hypothetical thoughts of a hypothetical council conceptualized for a fictional story created by a creative mind sorry if I'm coming off as rude but I just cannot fathom how this could be misunderstood given the context ...also when did anyone bring up concentration camps? the most I remember was the mention that humanity strays from torturing *prisoners of war* and *minimizing civilian casualties* WWII's concentration camps tortured and killed citizens, even children ik this is a technicality but I still felt like mentioning it
from they way it sounds in the story they view concentration camps as the norm, all is fair in war. 12:00 for the part that makes me believe this. the way they treat P.O.W.'s
Don’t forget the rape of nanking. Japanese atrocities in vietnam, phillipines. Japan played the game, but they messed with a nation that played it even better.
The REAL question is why the alien blatantly omits and ignores literally ALL the data they gathered about how humans treat their POWs, except for America and Europe...
To be clear: the treaties that ban "war crimes" only work one way; if someone were to, for instance, invade a country that has agreed under the Geneva convention not to use chemical weapons but happens to also keep a significant stock of chemical weapons, this isn't a contradiction; because any means can be used in *self-defense* within that country's territory.
This is an important thing to note because it generally means that, there is no human government more dangerous at any given time than one on the defensive.
Thats not accurate. Conventions against chemical weapons are specifically to their use, not their possession. Chemical Weapons have wide ranges of use, most important for war is for research on treatments and the training of technicians on how to identify toxins. Also, Tear Gas and Pepperspray are chemical weapons, but used in a non lethal capacity. Agent Orange was a chemical weapon, and its use both was, and was not a war crime. To use chemicals to clear brush in an area of operation is not a war crime, seeing how doing so manually would not be a war crime either, however, using chemicals or manual labor en mass to destroy vital ecosystems for the purpose of disrupting economics/food/moral is a war crime, in that, the US broke the geneva convention in Vietnam. At the time, the US claimed that Vietnam was a police action, and that since they were there on request of South Vietnam, there couldnt be any war crimes. These are the same claims made by russia today in Ukraine, and they are just as see through as they were 60 years ago.
And no, all means are not acceptable in self defense. If Mexico invades Texas tomorrow, the US is not free to drop VX gas on Mexico city. WMDs are and always were, a weapon of totality reserved for action when no other would preserve a nation. Thats why WW3 never happened. Both sides saw that it didnt really matter who fired the first nukes, because once you do, the retaliation will garuntee that your side is not around to enjoy the fruits of victory. MAD is both the most insane and genius military strategy ever devised. Because it wasnt developed intentionally. MAD was not created, it evolved naturally. People had to write the theories behind it not as a way to justify it or propose it, but as a way to explain the situation they had already found themselves in. And thats why a full scale nuclear exchange between 2 nuclear powers is near impossible. Because unlike conventional wars, The leaders are in just as much danger as the soldiers on the ground, possibly more so.
@@theduke7539 "I do not fear the country with 100 nuclear weapons. But I am terrified of the country with only one."
(badly paraphrased, but there it is.)
A Sci-Fi story called War Crimes? Sounds like my Stellaris games.
I can only but offer a sincere "kek" with a side of smug to this
It's only a crime if you join the galactic community
@@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 True. Unless you have the DP to pretty much rule the Galactic community.
@@Brohammer0001 also works if there are no other empires left
@@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 Ah yes, the "Favourable outcome"
Humans: find Aliens
Aliens: comitting warcrimes
Humans: "So its fair Game." Gets blessed Shotgun to baptise the Aliens in holy Napalm
Rip and Tear!
@@asurasyn till it is done
Loads shotgun with malicious intent.
Humans: "You've Yee'd your last haw."
Kar En Tuk
@@benlyon5118 Howdy-doo-dee cowboy!
For the Geneva suggestions
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How about the wartime checklist
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Soldiers mandatory bucketlist
Pretty sure I have a Stellaris save file or two called "War Crimes" somewhere between "Aggressive Peacekeepers" and "GEKOLONISEERD".
aaah yes the coloniser hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
Leopold II did nothing wrong.
"warcime" that word does not exist in any of Imperial dialects. No mention of it was found even in oldest records of the Imperial Palace dating back to unification wars on Holy Terra.
You see, dear Inuisitor, it is a term used before The Long Night to describe an inexcusable crime during the time of war.
As our glorious imperium is not at war, but in crusades (as our dearest God-Empreror of mankind intended, praise be his name), we do not have a requirement for such a word.
≡][≡ It's a word used before the dark ages roughly translated as "excessive collateral damage" - like when one of our order uses a life eater virus to punish someone for short-changing him.≡][≡
@@doublem1354 Ordo Originatus and Ordo Redactus wants to know your location.
@@muninrob "No sacrifice is too great, no treachery to small" - Imperial Truth.
=][= All hail the manperor of mankind =][=
it's only a war crime if you lose the war
United States laughing in "nuking civillians".
Every nation at one point in there history:
"Oh sh*t"
you can ask germany, or the soviet government
Gotta say I wholeheartedly agree with you Efraim
It's only a war crime if there's someone left to accuse you.
Wait…. THE GENIVA CONVENTION ACTUALLY HELPED?!
at least until some xenos decided to goto war with Earth, then we will be eating their babies while seasoning them with capsaicin, cooking with napalm, all while tossing things worse than nukes into their planet/sun like they are candies
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Hearts and minds! If your back is too the wall and you know that slavery and torture are all that await if you are captured, you are in Death Ground. Creatures fight like a cornered animal if they feel they are in such a position. But if they know they will be treated fairly and justly, surrender is not a hard choice for most.
Never surrender ever under any circumstances thats what my drill sergeants told us in basic training
@@Anomaly-uz9pr Good Soldier! Now can you parse out what your DS was actually trying to teach you? Or are you more shallow than a kiddie pool?
@Anomaly-uz9pr most likely because of the groups we were fighting at the time. Good treatment in their hands would be a quick bullet to the head. Also considering it as an option is a defeatist mindset that acts like a virus
"I take offense only to poorly thought out statements or questions"
*BASED*
*It's 4pm, time for a reclassification of the Humans*
Actually humans theorized peaceful uses of nuclear power at least as early as building bombs. But war got in the way first.
That, and "splitting the atom = boom" is far simpler than using that concept to created safe, efficient power. Destruction is far easier than creation.
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Actually we had safe graphite core slow neutron breeder reactors and smaller than boom enriched uranium reactions before we built the bombs. Building bombs is not easier.
I like the whole heavy raspy voice and accent, no idea if its just the reader making voices as he reads, or part real accent.
the accent is real , the voices are made up cept the narrators voice
“Under no circumstances must the Xeno be trusted. It will lie, it will cheat, and it will do everything to undermine those who, in truth, are it’s superiors.” - Commonwealth of Man
"Shoot the bastards" - Imperium of Man
Greetings Mentlegent
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I doubt these so called "Wisdoms" have the self awareness or shame to be motivated by the existence of the human concept of war crimes. However, the more practical points probably got through.
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This feels like some End-of-History stuff, where all history ended after the Cold War. But that's not true, as a rising China and resurgent Russia have shown that the liberal order can be challenged. While I don't know if the FTL part would come about, the story takes the path of least resistance in declaring the cold war over being the end of history. I DO LIKE the idea that Aliens never came up with War Crimes, brought a tear to my eye. But the aliens should know that a factions collapse doesn't mean good times are here forever.
The "liberal" order is illiberal.
@@kerwinbrown4180 its not perfect but its more liberal than its rivals.
I hate stories that end at the climax and don't have a falling action.
Yeah we never got to know if the Aliens decided to reclassify us lower, higher, or just vaporize us as a threat.
Seriously. It’s supposed to be seen as dramatic and a exciting end but it’s just wildly unsatisfying. It’s almost like the writing structure was developed this was for a reason.
It's never a war crime the first time.
Quackbang.
Do what is necessary, no more and no less.
Disappointed it stopped after that last line
aaww... i was really interested in hearing the argument of the actual human diplomat.
I see they don’t have the Genova convention
Bob the dragon of warcrime
The true human core of our 'humanity'.
For War Crimes to happen must first sign the Geneva Convention.
It's not a war crime if you had fun
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The Humans have a warbeast. Well how should I begin I guess with my name I am captain Locshre of well of what was the 6th armored platoon on Durin 5 we were tasked with occupieing a human world the attack fleet swated away there defense fleet and we landed to clean up the ground forces we took over one of there bunkers and set up heavy laser turrets to keep the humans at bay it was on the 4th day at about sun down we saw 3 platoons of Humans marching on our post when the corporal said look there sir what is that? I looked and saw a thing that had a gun for a head and a slanted body crawling on conveyors the humans looked as if they were leading it out to pastor to graze one of our laser turrets fired at it the shot hit and there was smoke covering it and it stopped when the smoke cleared the humans had taken cover and the warbeast was sitting there with out a scratch the head gun turned and it was then I realized it was a turret it let out a thundering boom and the heavy laser turret was gone a few seconds after and then more of these warbeast charged out the back of the humans lines and the world was nothing but a loud boom after another I fell unconscious and awoke with a human putting me in a transport as we drove past one of there warbeast I could hear a human say. Hay tank head get your hunk of junk off the road we need to move out the trucks. Hunks of junk a warbeast that can take a hit from a heavy laser turret and blow it to atoms is a hunk of junk now I wonder what the real expensive equipment can do.
Would you mind if I wrote my first HFY story around this event
@@galaticplays1845 sure you can I enjoy writing stories as much as reading them cant wait to read your story
@@tonyreaver2627 thank you what's your reddit so I can give you credit
@@galaticplays1845 I tried to use redit but it won't let me post I may need to change something there but it's cool have fun
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Thanks for the video.
a pleasure
i rather enjoyed the story and the spirit of the story
thanks for the narration
Thank You for the reading
Welp that was interesting story
And if you go to war with humans, first find out just what the Geneva Conventions are and follow them, lest they turn into the Geneva Checklist.
Every cycle equals about 4.2 years
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Harry...seriously, the bodyguards bastard...well to each their own..although you are bat shit wrong
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@@humanskinlampshadecollecto4256 Billy Batshit! Aiiight!
So a bunch of aliens are convinced that humans are good because we don't do what they consider normal? For that to happen you need to establish why they consider treating pows with respect moral and if they consider it moral why they don't do it?
Also, it's complete, utter, BULLSHIT. Since WW2, do you know who the ONLY enemy that the US has fought that didn't torture and kill our POWs was? The f***ing NAZIS! (And even Hitler, like Japan, ordered their execution. The Luftwaffe refused to comply.)
Every other opponent since 1945 that we have openly engaged with committed war crime, tortured POWs, and targeted civilians. Every. Single. One.
What is attributed to "hUmAniTy" by the alien is nearly EXCLUSIVE to Western Civilization. It is based on culture and moral tradition, NOT an innate human feature.
This story was so blatantly ignorant and tone deaf, it's downright sickening...
The British forced the World to End Slavery at Gun Point and its probably put a lot of strain on the Empire
I belive it is the fact that humans try so hard to limit to damage caused by war. more an evidence in his eyes that we are as he put it "peace hungry"
Huh!? Not what I was expecting.
War crime schwar crime, watch me trick shot this POW with this AMR
So this writer thinks that the nukes we used on Japan were worse than the concentration camps? Wow, ok.
idk if you're actually serious about this or not
the writer is saying: this galactic council finds it more heinous to discover nuclear weapons *before* nuclear power
these are the hypothetical thoughts of a hypothetical council conceptualized for a fictional story created by a creative mind
sorry if I'm coming off as rude but I just cannot fathom how this could be misunderstood given the context
...also when did anyone bring up concentration camps? the most I remember was the mention that humanity strays from torturing *prisoners of war* and *minimizing civilian casualties*
WWII's concentration camps tortured and killed citizens, even children
ik this is a technicality but I still felt like mentioning it
from they way it sounds in the story they view concentration camps as the norm, all is fair in war.
12:00 for the part that makes me believe this. the way they treat P.O.W.'s
Don’t forget the rape of nanking. Japanese atrocities in vietnam, phillipines. Japan played the game, but they messed with a nation that played it even better.
And cried when they lost a game they started.
Imperial Japan: beheads children for sport in wwii
USA: SCIENCE BIOTCH!!
For the war crimes!
How does this story reference both world wars, the cold War, and f*cking miss the Apollo program?
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221st, 18 December 2023
For those in the know of what's happening in the world right now what do you think our new classification would be?
likely a 3 maybe 4
The REAL question is why the alien blatantly omits and ignores literally ALL the data they gathered about how humans treat their POWs, except for America and Europe...
don’t think we would change classification. we would stay a 3
Japan would single handedly up our classification to the most aggressive, mindless, barely sentient and more of an animal.
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