The Top Secret Navy Mission that Accidentally Rediscovered the Titanic
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Please clarify, at 22:25 what year were you giving? Because it sure sounds like you were saying 2014.
Way to long of an ad man you gata make em shorter.
@@p.c.windhamparanormalroman4339 Yes, i also think that that is a mistake.
The longer the ad the less likely I am to make a purchase. Except magic spoon ads, those could be half a second long and still wouldn’t ever support them.
@@1mm0rtaldreads á same
Some artifacts from the Titanic came to my museum for a temporary exhibit several years ago. The people greeting us at the start of the exhibit gave each person a ticket with the name & class of a real person that was aboard the Titanic, and at the end of the exhibit you'd find out whether or not they survived the sinking via a wall of passenger names. I thought it was a really neat way of humanizing the victims.
This didn’t happen to be the Branson Missouri museum by chance?
@@redneckwithajeep5001 Different museum when I saw the exhibit. I do know that the exhibit was temporary and moving from place to place, so it is possible it ended up there too.
@@caylathorn5727 the one in Branson doesn’t really move but they do the same thing by giving you the name of a passenger and finding out if you lived or not
They did the same thing when the exhibit came to Oklahoma City. It was the traveling exhibit. What got to me was how regent people who went to the exhibit were. They spoke in whispers while walking through the exhibit, took their time and really seemed to be moved by the artifacts they were seeing.
Yeah, I wish that was the case, but one on the sub had been stealing artifacts fron the Titanic sight. His name is Paul-Henri Nargeolet. That is hoe he made his fortune and why he was returning again. Dude was a grave robber.
I served on the USS Pollack, same class as the Thresher. The class was renamed the Permit class (2nd boat of the class) after the Thresher sank. When the Thresher was going to sea for the sea trials when she sank, she had a faulty hydraulic pump. To get her to sea on time, they simply swapped out the hydraulic pump for the one on the Pollack. Thresher never came back so Pollack was left with the Thresher’s pump. When I served on the Pollack, we still had the Thresher’s pump, complete with original brass nameplate that said USS Thresher. We took a piece of the Thresher with us on every dive.
No true
@@jscott20002278First off, spelling, second off, why do you think this is not true? This can very well be a true story
As former submariner that served on a Thresher-class boat, I've always been interested in that tragedy. Nice review of the facts surrounding these two submarine losses without delving into a lot of speculation.
Thank you for your service!
Thank you for your service. My dad was a submariner too, served on the uss skate and several others, y’all probably didn’t know each other though lol it was a long time ago
As a former submariner on the USS Bremerton (SSN-698), I too was fascinated about the sinking of the Thresher. I was an EM1(SS) (aka F**king Nuke) and was onboard during the initial sea trials when we took the boat underwater for the first time. As you can imagine, rumors and horror stories abounded among the crew.
Interestingly enough, my Maternal Uncle, Theo Keith, Ph.D. was involved in the initial Theories of what sunk the U.S.S. Thresher, & even wrote a book on it that's in the Library of Congress. (He also worked for NASA, & was involved in the Development of the Modern "Wind Tunnle.")
Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the name of the book, as all my Info on him is from my Mother. I never had the chance to Meet, nor Speak to, him: as my Mother hasn't spoken to him since he didn't go to their their Father's Funeral, when I was younger than 5yrs old. Also, because, in the almost Two Decades that my Paternal Grandmother lived in a Condo in the West Palm Beach area, in S. Florida, (where I was born & raised,) - having moved down, right after my Paternal Grandfather passed, from Cleveland where my Mom & her Siblings (as well as all *my* Older Siblings,) were born and Raised, (& my Mom's two Siblings still live in Ohio, to this day,) - did he *EVER* come Visit his Mother; even though him & his Wife would Vacation in Florida, fairly regularly....
Mike, Ronald, you two are something else. That submariner nonsense is on another level. I did 7 years in the Coast Guard, and was stationed on two 225’ cutters and one 210’ cutter. They may have been small but at least they had doors and windows. Hats off to you both, you guys definitely earned your DD-214's.
This is why I love this channel. Came to learn about one thing and learned way more about something I didn’t even ask for. Absolutely fantastic
Yes, and unlike a lot of other RUclips offerings, Simon conveys a ton of fascinating information is a short amount of time.
I actually met Ballard when I was in the Navy, several years ago. Great guy, was neat to hear the stories from him and how exciting it was to see his work put to such great use. He was very respectful of those lost as well
"incidentally" is a better word than "accidentally." Ballard certainly knew that he was searching for TITANIC, and the USN had given him permission to do so. They simply insisted that the other search had to be done first.
In his book he is rather clear that he wanted to find it, and if he had to find a sub to do it, that was fine with him.
That's almost certainly more about "RUclips algorithm" than about the actual story. Its not clickbait, but the word "accidentally" for some reason is very popular for the algorithm. If you do some searching on a lot of popular videos you'll find trends like this.
@@smileyface9064 mean the search for the titanic accidentally found a top secret us sub, not the other way around. Praise be the algorithm.
@@wmeuse2375It didn’t find them; their wreck sites were known by the USN, and they wanted data from the sites.
I was a kid in Norfolk in 1968 and when the Scorpion went down, so many of my classmates had fathers on board. My grandfather worked at the shipyard. Between those two circumstances I knew something terrible had happened but I was too young (7yrs) to truly understand the situation. Now, looking back, it holds a great deal of significance for me. It's fascinating to learn what caused the tragedy.
While both the French vessel and Ballard’s vessel “mowed the lawn”, the French started in the middle of the lawn if you will and Ballard started at the far end. He found the debris field only meters from where the French had started. He still credits the French explorer as a co-discover
I was on watch in New London when the first SUBMISS message came in….I do not remember who initiated the message, but the chilling feeling that I had when I informed the commodore was and still is overwhelming. Twelve hours later the SUBSUNK message came in. 68 was a sad year in New London.
The Thresher loss was drilled into the submarine building crews at Electric Boat as part of the SUBSAFE program. Pretty haunting to listen to the recording of it's breakup as a 22 year old.
I think it's ok to bring stuff up from a wreck for the purpose of putting them in museums, returning objects (or remains) to families, or to make monuments for them. There is also the obvious reason of protecting the enviroment (such as the WW2 German Submarine that sunk from a torp from a British sub, the German Sub replaced the lead weights with mercury. They are an environmental hazard. I think it was featured on this channel in fact).
In case of the Titanic, there is or was no danger for the environment.
And i think the Titanic should NOT have been touched, after Ballard's visit in 1986. It is the GRAVE of 1500 people!!😡😡 It's scandalous!!!😡😡
Ballard was just investigating the wreck.... he did nothing wrong
@@sloppyjoe400 Please read carefully what i wrote above.
I am NOT aiming at Bob Ballard, but at all the OTHER expeditions who came there AFTER him.
@@Kirovets7011 awww I stand corrected, I misread that, carry on sir!
@@Kirovets7011 well don't go swimming, the ocean is a grave for millions. Derp
This man just made the smoothest ‘My Heart Will Go On’ reference. That was smooth as hell man!
Lmao right!
He didn't even flinch. I think it is one of those occurrences where the pun went totally over his head.
Let's just say that Simon is not the most pop-culture-savvy person. :D
Timestamp?
@@EpicGhostShadow The end. The last words of the main video topic.
@@viclick122 ooooohhhhh thank you sorry im dumb
So fascinating how a researcher was able to essentially use the Navy to search for the Titanic while also hiding the secret mission that was taking place in parallel. It was a pretty clever scheme.
Also, IIRC, while a sub was lost after the advent of sub-safe no sub built to sub-safe standards has been lost.
A true win win
Scorpion hadn't gone through her SubSafe overhaul, because as stated budget and operational needs.
What about the Indian sub that went under a few months ago? Was it older?
@@Raptor05121 I'm not sure, but if it was an INS sub, then it may not follow USN's sub-safe standards.
Yeah. Makes you wonder how many other dual purpose explorations there are going on right now, doesn't it? But I guess it's not really that new of a concept - artists, inventors, and scientists have always had their sponsors.
Firstly, bravo to Simon and crew. This is the first video I've watched in a long time (by a non-Ship specific channel) that I haven't winced at/had some quibble with. I only give kudos when they're absolutely deserved, and in this case, they are. Brilliant job.
The rest of this is about artifact retrieval etc.
There was a time that I was behind recovery of artifacts, but that has changed drastically. I might be able to get behind recovery of items the are outside of the anoxic beds, but that's a big might.
And TITANIC still holds plenty of secrets, things that you might see in a single line of a single book written by someone who was on one or more of the expeditions. It's not people being cagey, it's just that there's so much to be written about the Ship even this many years on.
My other issue with object retrieval is actually more of a generalized, "Please don't go down there and fvck around." Because real talk, that wreck is going to fold like a house of cards one of these days, and it will probably be when some moron decides to land their submersible near the bridge or underneath the stern near the props area or anywhere really, because that wreck is far more dangerous than most people even realize.
So this comment is remarkably prescient...
@@TN-rf7ntGot the folding like a house of cards right… just not the target…
Wowwwwwww. In light of recent events. This comment is so amusing.
When Bob Ballards book first came out right after he found the Titanic I faxed him at Woods Hole just randomly and he sent me a note back thanking me the same day. Nice guy
You are going to explain to the whippersnappers what a fax is.. they don’t know. Lol
@@michaelripperger5674 : "Something which could be sent with almost every 'modem', yet which almost noone knew how to send..."
@@michaelripperger5674 lol maybe they can see one in a museum
To be fair the SUBSAFE program didn't apply to the scorpion as it was built before the thresher and was "grandfathered in".
The navy was converting all the boats that pre-dated subsafe, and the scorpion was actually one of two that had not yet been refitted and certified at the time of her sinking. it just hadnt had a chance to do into the yards yet, it wasnt actually "grandfathered in"
Wow, I never knew it was believed that the Titanic sunk in one piece. That’s amazing considering they had eye witnesses there telling everyone what happened.
I believe White Star felt it would reflect badly on the ship if it was admitted it broke in two. Lightoller testified in the hearings that it did not break up.
Also, it was a moonless night at 2:00 in the morning. Once the ship lights when out, it was completely dark. Watching the titanic sink meant seeing a silhouette of a ship against stars
I know some things about the Titanic. Because my father was part of the original crew in 1985 that discovered it
a weird element is that it wasn't believed because a lot of the survivors were women. The official inquiry wrote off their testimony for that reason, that's part of why it was a big deal when it was found to be true
@@user-pm2bh9ol8wit was because it was thought it would look bad on the ship builder.
As an Audio Engineer who loves your channel, I recommend adding a Desser (D-esser) plugin to your video editing chain. I think it'd make a big difference.
Don't take this as criticism, just advice.
What would a Desser plugin do?
@@newman977 Fix the neon light maybe?
@@nodiggity9472 lol. That light will never be fixed. It being inoperable is part of the Whistler style.
along these same lines, there's a weird resonance in that room that should be EQ'd out
that resonance bothers me a lot more than the hard consonant eS'essss
PWR reactors used in submarines are actually very well sealed. The control rods drop automatically when power is cut so decay heat is the only concern. That’s a big problem on utility scale plants like Fukushima but small reactors in cold deep water cannot overheat. They just sit there with the fuel encased in its tubes gradually cooling and minding its own business.
Sea life say "That's a relief?"
Its a hard call on the salvaging parts of the titanic, or anything in similar nature.
1. Yes lives were lost and its tragic, so don't disrespect the watery graves
2. We have tombs on the surface dating back centuries as reminders of peoples past lives. Having physical reminders from the watery depths also helps remind people the tragedy of the unfortunate with a physical object
I feel like my personal connection to one of the examples gives me some insight here - I'm descended from a Maine man who fought at Gettysburg. While he wasn't one of the people who died in the war, studying the war and the countless stories of the people involved for so many years has given me a feel for what those who have lost others tend to want: Instead of the personal momentos of individuals which help to identify them and tell their stories rotting away to nothing, people want to honor those who have fallen through sharing those stories and those pieces of them in respectful remembrance. I view the Titanic and other wrecks in much the same way - I wouldn't dream of touching the dead, but bringing up pieces of their lives such as the hand-mirrors and jewelry is something I think is important. Even when the owners are unidentified, they're being thought about and remembered, and helping to share the shared story of the vessel overall.
Yes, but if I die in a carwreck, no matter how bizzare or attention grabbing, please don't take my grill to display in a casino in vegas.
Future societies may care less for your sensibilities much in the same way current (and past) archeologists went around digging up Pompeii, catacombs beneath cities, the crypts for pharaohs, etc. To some future human archeologist, your grill may be a curious insight into 21st century life and evidence of your perilous accident.
As a titanic family member (great uncle was a miner moving from Ireland to ohio) i feel the same. It really made me feel like i was closer when i got to see one of their traveling exhibits. I remember going to each of the suitcases and reading the names to see if it was his.
Good summary of the tragedies of the losses of Thresher and Scorpion. The book, "Blind Man's Bluff" is an excellent read that goes further into the details of submarine operations during the Cold War and states various theories behind the loss of the Scorpion. One' comes away with an appreciation of the sacrifices made by submariners during Cold War and in the present.
Thanks - just ordered it on amazon!
The Audible recording of it is really good.
Yes great book, amazing insight into what was/is going on, scary and interesting in equal measure……….
Dr. JOHN cravan's book "the silent war" is an interesting read.
As someone that works in one of the two us shipyards that builds subs we have to take a subindoc class every two years and it touches on the Thresher and goes into an overview of the subsafe program. But I had never heard of this connection to the titanic before. Thank you for reaching me something new and intresting.
I just want to take a second to give props to SImon!
All of the different channels and videos everyday...wow!
This man has put in a TON of work and it is not unappreciated, thank you Simon!
The sinking deeper and deeper until imploding thing is legit nightmare fuel. As in I have literally had nightmares involving similar.
I got some bad news for you mate.
There was a sub that imploded near the titanic now 😅
@@legionx4046 That didn't actually scare me as much because it was a tourist thing I'd never be on. Ever. You could not pay ME $250,000 to have been on that sinking soda can of doom.
@@christinaify atleast it was q quick death in less than 0.4 seconds 😅
@@legionx4046 Nope, super slow death because for the entire hour and forty-five minutes before the 0.04 seconds I'd be obsessing with how badly I didn't want to be there and how much I hate the entire concept of what I was doing.
I'd also wonder who roofie'd my ass to get me on there. I'd be a mess.
My mothers, father was in charge of installing the lighting on the Titanic. He worked as a tool and die maker for a company that produced lighting and he was the Apprentice Master. He may have been picked because of his knowledge of the products used and their construction. He would never talk about the ship after it sank and when I did ask him when I was 16, now 77, he had a look on his face that told me he didn't want to visit the subject and I left. My grandmother did say the only time see saw him cry was when he heard the ship had gone down.
Yeah, that's sad.
19:48 The US Navy connection to the discovery of the Titanic was known well before 2018. Also from what I recall the French team, or possibly Ballard's I cant remember which actually came super close to finding the Titanic on one of their first passes and only missed by a few hundred yards or so.
You are correct. I met Ballard at a GIS conference back in 2016. He talked about it in his presentation back then. The presentation is posted on youtube in the link. That part starts around the 33 minute mark. ruclips.net/video/BQd-DAJJSRg/видео.html
us old tincan sailors would sing across the destroyers & submarines (D&S) piers to the tune of camp-town races "What's big and black and won't come back, Thresher, Thresher." whenever a sub docked. cue the tear-up fights at the EM Club later! a youth well spent.
22:47 "the memory of the Titanic will go on."
Is that a shout out to the song "My Heart Will Go On?"
Sadly, I cannot recall the novel I read about something else, but in the book, it was mentioned that even a sunken battleship could be dissolved to nothing because even the ocean a liquid solution. I don't know why but this was the part of the novel I remembered the most before Titanic was ever discovered.
Don't use novels to establish your understanding in physics and chemistry. That being said, most things made by can be returned back to nature given enough time.
@@matthewgaines10 yah even plastic just takes about a few million years
Royal mail ship? Never knew that this was the designation
Titanic was contracted to carry mail so "RMS" was designated for a government job she was assigned to do. Though carrying passengers was her main operation, the government contract raised her status to a mailing ship as well.
Yeah, it was changed just before she sailed when the decision was made for her to carry mail as well. Originally I think she was hms
The mail had to be on time, so it was seen as a sign of class.
Remember all the mail in the hold where Jack and Rose got at it
@@xplosiv211 It would have been SS (Steamship) as HMS was usually reserved for warships
I actually got to go on the ship they used in the 1996 movie when it was docked in Halifax.
There was actually a report that was declassified about a month ago that explained the threshers sinking. They lost control after some kind of casualty, and were basically stuck below the surface for almost 2 days before they finally stopped communicating. There were 37 pings from the main frame sonar and audible tapping from people banging on the hull. The RUclips channel jive turkey did an excellent video on it.
Is this the video you're referring to? ruclips.net/video/HV5FGTxIU4Q/видео.html
That is complete bunk and was refuted almost immediately as it was reported after the sinking by the navy. Hydrophones picked up the explosion days before the “37 pings” were allegedly heard and the wreck was found nowhere near the contact. It’s likely that the noises heard were active sonar pings from the search vessels and the banging being natural in origin.
@joey freeman what part of “declassified about a month ago” don’t you get? The official report was a lie. And yes Derek that’s the video. Maybe Joey should watch it.
@@williamrohr8374 so you think that one source from one vessel confirms that a heavily damaged sub managed to maintain neutral buoyancy without enough power to surface but enough to send just 37 active sonar pings for 2 days before slowly hitting crush depth? I have read the actual PDF that the navy released and it confirms that it was not possible to have contacted the thresher as hydrophones picked up the sound of its implosion with the time stamp of 2 days earlier. Other ships in the area were using active sonar that would explain the pings. When they got on coms to order silents to listen the sounds they died off. The vessel wasn’t even near where the thresher was later found. That video is just sensationalist nonsense that deals in conspiracy theories and wants to sell a drama of sailors desperately trying to escape a death trap for 2 days.
It wasn't much of an accidental find. Ballard made the deal to find the subs with the stipulation that he could spend any time he had left on the Navys payroll to search for the Titanic. In fact his initial contact with the Navy was for them to fund a mission specifically to find the Titanic. PS: I'm not saying this diminishes his efforts in any way. I'm just pointing out that clickbait title is clickbait :)
2:58 The Portsmouth Navy Shipyard is in Portsmouth New Hampshire NOT Portsmouth Maine. There is a Portland Maine but the shipyard is in Portsmouth NH. I'm local, trust me.
Yep.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_Naval_Shipyard
As both a Submariner and SOSUS member who has seen the data with both Scorpion & Thresher, you have done this very well concerning those issues. Generally these type of videos have tremendous holes and inaccurate data, this is done very well. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for simplifying the submarine stories in a way that allows me to understand. I learned a lot today from this video, which I didn’t expect.
>the Titanic is predicted to be just a rust stain on the sea floor by 2014
>video uploaded: Sept 7 2021
Thanks for the update Simon!
This was a fantastic episode. Always been so fascinated by ocean travel. More so than space
This is an excellent video and story. Thank you!
I'm literally in Norfolk Virginia working at a shipyard while I'm listening to this
Obviously your not working if your on RUclips, I’m calling your boss.
@@justinmartin4662 go for it man he's the one who told me to take a break. Lol I get paid by the hour anyway so don't rush me
@@brokeboypokemon7077 props amigo. I too work in Nawfuck
Get those welds right !
BUILD SHIPS FASTER DAMMIT!
*Spam clicks the Cruiser icon*
Genius bottle design, So you don't realize how little you're actually getting.
At least the beard can cut the amount used and lengthen life of bottle.
Fun fact, for their respective time zones, the assassination of Lincoln and the day the Titanic struck the iceberg share an anniversary.
I love history and I live watching your videos that cover it
i love this channel, every time I click on it I know full and well that I'm going to learn in excess about the given topic.
I had a family member (3rd class) who went down on titanic. I am glad that they are saving some of her, i wish they could save more. I have gotten to see thier exhibit twice and it gave me a chance, i felt, to kinda get closer to him.
Very interesting report on all issues at hand. I appreciate your video and it's information.👍
As a big Titanic, I quite enjoyed the video! I especially enjoyed all the info beforehand about the subs since I didn't know a whole lot about them.
It's wonderfully intriguing to here the full story about the discovery of the Titanic. I live an hour and a half's drive from the Titanic Museum in Pigeon Forge, TN. The last time I visited the museum was several years before this story was declassified and it's great to have an extra snippet of information to add to the experience.
I've watched many of your videos - but I think that this was your best!
I was a little teary hearing about Ballard's respect for the ship as a grave sight, and others disrespect for it. And then Simon said the last line of the video and I snapped out of it and said, "You ---! Simon!" Out loud. Omg, haha!
Yaaay! New Simon video.
IDK why but I really especially enjoyed this one. Thx, Simon.
That was a really good vid Simon.
A thing that rarely gets mentioned when talking about the condition of Titanic's wreck is that her near identical sister ship, Britannic also sank, and her wreck is in vastly better shape than Titanic (she did not break apart when sinking).
It is possible that it was just put together better
It's located off the Coast of Greece in the Aegean Sea in much warmer and shallower waters (400 feet).
Didn't her stern split when she hit the bottom?
@@CharlieCookeActor It was blown apart by the water pressure as it went down with its torn-open end facing down, scooping up water and building pressure inside the hull until it burst apart.
@creeperizak8971 no, it didn't break apart because the length of Brittanic was longer than the depth of water she sank in.
Very interesting video. Well presented, and easy on the ears without any music.
I use the like button to mark everything I watch on youtube so months or years later I know I have been there before. Rarely do I "hit the LIKE button" because I liked the video. But this time....
I have to lean toward the preservationist side. Anything I've ever seen from the Titanic, I looked at with reverence and respect. The alternative is to just let it lay down there and disintegrate to nothing.
@Neal Palmer
Well, it would be worth the two minutes.
@J very Jewish burial of you
"From dirt you came, to dirt you return"
Also by leaving it there you give life a chance, all the life of the fish, sea creatures and such that flourish on wreaks sure make up for it in my book.
Just wanted to say it hit me that this video is so extremely well made it left me in awe
I got legitimate chills seeing that first photo taken when he found the damn thing. God; I can't imagine. It's always been my dream to see this ship and I know I'll never do it, but my god. It's breathtaking.
I am of the philosophy of recovering and preserving those artifacts most important of a sunken ship as a memorial to those lost if practical and relevant i.e. not the case of the Thresher or Scorpion where there is nothing like the ship's bell recovered from the HMS Hood by Paul Allen and disturbing the wrecks might affect the reactor. The Titanic's recovery efforts unfortunately often crossed the line into salvage / grave robbing little better than the looters who've destroyed many WW2 south Pacific wrecks.
A 'fun' fact about the sinking of the thresher, submariners in the States for years were told (while training) that the thresher lost pressure and everyone died instantly (presumably to make the submariners feel better about getting trapped with no hope of rescue) BUT pretty recently logs from the ships/ submarines that were searching for it immediately after it went down listened to someone banging out an SOS signal against the hull...for almost 2 days
Bullshit. Not at that depth.
@@RayTheMickey ruclips.net/video/HV5FGTxIU4Q/видео.html
Heres a video of an ex US submariner reading the declassified logs and playing recordings of the banging on the hull, they were only declassified a couple months ago
@@RayTheMickey the Thresher probably reached neutral buoyancy near crush depth and moved on battery power to maintain depth, the USS Seawolf recorded several sonar pings and then later just banging on the hull up to 40 hours after she was originally presumed lost. as the battery ran out, she would have started to sink again and eventually collapsed.
A euphoric moment!
🚢, inadvertently made history! 👏👏
Who doesn't love the story of titanic? It and her sister ships were also presented on the megaprojects channel! 👍😍
Which genius thought ping-pong balls would work? At 380 bar of pressure...
Excellent! Thx!
I saw the Trieste at the naval undersea museum.. what a cool piece of history! Touching something that has seen the bottom of the challenger deep. Weird feeling
That was fascinating. Thank you.
The Royal Navy has claimed to have known where the Titanic lay all along.
There is a lot of truth in that, but they couldn't reach it.
Great episode. Really interesting at every stage. Also, the legend of the titanic will go on, iseewhatyoudidthere....
Excellent presentation.
Are we just going to pass over the fact that Thresher was clearly torn asunder by a Kraken?
Shhhh. Kraken may be listening.
I've already said too much.
We’ll be OK as long as nobody releases the Kraken
Sydney Powell sank a submarine?
Pffff, we all know the collosal squid don't live that close to the surface ;)
Don't be silly, it was Cthulu and an army of atomic Megalodon.
The USN recently declassified documents from the loss of the USS Thresher, revealing a much more prolonged episode in which the ship was lost. At least part of the crew of the submarine was alive for at least 24-48 hours after the initial loss of communication. The declassified documents came as quite a shock to many USN submariners, as even at sub school, they were not told the true story. This newly released information sheds light into the brave attempts by whomever was still alive on the sub to communicate with the fleet which had come to their aid.
"it's estimated that by 2014 nothing will remain of the wreck" -Simon Whistler, 2021
2040
@@kieranklein2527 Imma have to go back and listen again. Could have sworn it was 2014.
Closed caption said 2014, and I ran it back several times myself to hear what he said. Although I sorta heard 2014, I'm sure it's 2040.
2040. But I think that was a tad off. I’ve heard it’ll be gone by the end of this decade. Then again, based off last year, this decade may not be over until 2040😂
@@JS-wc4xs I mean I definitely assumed it was *supposed* to be 2040, but since it's not uncommon for him to misread his cards and not notice I thought it was pretty funny when I heard 2014 without missing a beat.
Very good. Loved the story.
great video
You must be one of the most well spoken well bearded people ever my friend. Keep making these bangers!
Interesting to rewatch this after recent events
Good video 👍
Absolutely fascinating...
The last few words of the script were perfect mate 👌
Good one!
I like these ones!!
I love you Simon
As some have noted down below, Sub Brief's video about recent declassified material concerning the Thresher incident sheds some light and uncovers a nasty lie the Navy fed to us for decades. It's worth to check out, and even do some in-depth, more thorough investigation on the incident, i think the families of the deceased have a right to know what happened, and why.
Am I going crazy or does Simon say "By 2014 nothing will remain of the titanc but a rust stain on the sea floor"
I think he meant 2040 but it certainly sounded like 2014!
Forty and fourteen sound much alike, especially at the speed at which Simon speaks.
It wasn’t accidental. Robert Ballard wanted to find it and made a deal to find the Titanic if he had time after finding the submarines that the military wanted.
Fascinating
my father was the last person to work on the scorpion before she went down he was stationed aboard the uss orion as-18 a sub tender he fixed one of her inner doors that would not seal he also built the camera mounts on the telescope which i still have pictures of as well as film footage of the search for her
We need to explore Titanic’s bow and debris field and bring up artifacts.
I've heard that those who have recovered artifacts from the Titanic claim they picked them up from the debris field around the two main hull sections. While it could be a bunch of BS the risk of a multi million dollar ROV going into one of the hull sections and getting trapped and lost would make their claim plausible. On one of James Cameron's dives he nearly lost an ROV that he sent into the wreck.
You should do a follow up on the Thresher, she actually had an even more horrific end than you can imagine, look for the video called 37 Pings. The Navy only recently released some of the classified information last August or September (2022]
I’ve seen that piece at the Luxor, was pretty cool
That was more informative AND entertaining than the movie.
This is a lot more chilling after recent events…
You have more facial creams than my wife. Lol
This.... Could mean 2 things.
But you do have to admit he looks much younger, so they must be working.
@@markzuckergecko621 To be fair, she doesn't wear much makeup and such but I couldn't resist commenting after the third or fourth cream. Haha
As an old sailor a sunken ship is a grave and should be honored as one. Before anything is removed the wrecks interior should be inspected and if there are NO remains of the crew or passengers then it removal of artifacts could be allowed. Wrecks are being ravaged daily for scrap and anything that can be sold for a buck.
Hope you never need to have radiology treatments - or mind nuclear reactors going boom from faulty welds then. Because steels from sunken ships pre 1945 such as the German High Seas Fleet are used in both fields as well as in radiological dating because of radioisotope contamination of reference samples post 1945 thanks to Inbredistanis dropping nukes on Japan amongst radiation tests, Chernobyl, TMI and Fukushima (OK which joker turned off the emergency cooling system...)
Two uniformed USN officers standing on the deck of the ship when it returned to Woods Hole were a great big clue to what Ballard had really been up to for most of the time at sea.
Rule number 1 when making boats:
NEVER call it unsinkable
First boat I get of any size will be christened: "Sinkproof-NeverSink-Unsinkable-FloatsEternally-Immortal-GodOfAllWaterCraft-PoseidonPunker"
A big mission took place on the Gold Coast where I live. They took fishing boats and borrowed helicopters, operation took aprox 12 days.