This reminds me of the time I used lengths of wood between the valve spring and the garage ceiling... then jacked the whole car up to compress the springs to get the keepers in to the valve stem on my Triumph TR3.... :-)
In the old Chevy Hot Rod days when we changed springs without pulling the heads, we inserted nylon rope through the spark plug holes and brought the piston up to hold the Valves and modified a rocker to compress the spring and insert the keepers. Still have my homemade tool some 40 years later!
Patience, patience, patience is the key and you have mastered this fine art of auto mechanics. It makes all the difference between getting it done and throwing wrenches instead of finishing the job.
Watching you try to put the retainer on at about 4:00 was like the movie scenes where someone had to defuse a bomb lol. Better yet, remember that game Perfection where you have to put all these odd pieces in the game before it pops the parts all over!
grease is your friend here as already said and i would put something in there to stop the collets from falling into the pushrod tubes , fairplay to your ingenious way of compressing the spring though
KD makes an on engine valve spring compressor. I'll try and get a video up, to show it even though I already know you're done (as seen on video #3). Also when I install keepers, I use a dab of lubriplate on the inside of each half, especially when doing the head on engine valve work.
Hey mustie1, I'm wondering if one of those will Harbor Freight magnets on the end of the valve would be too big for you to get the keepers in around but it would keep it sucked up against the valve? I don't know anything about what I'm talkin about I've never done anything like that. But I was just thinking you said gravity was fighting you. I wonder if that little magnet would help. it would keep the keepers sucked up against the valve if you shoved them in.
Couldn't you have let the piston drop to BDC rather than immobilizing it at TDC with the wrench/visegrips? With constant air pressure fed through the spark plug hole, and both valves closed, wouldn't the air pressure be holding both valves closed so long as air was pressurizing the cylinder?
Nice problem solving and patience . . . like you said, a little grease on that keeper would have helped make it a little stickier . . . lol. Do you think any metal spring pieces made their way down in the engine via the push rod holes?? Rog
Thanks for another great video... I'm shocked that you didn't just weld a piece of threaded rod to the top of the valve stem and then use a Lambda/O2 sensor socket (the ones with the cut out on the side), a few penny washers and a nut to create an in place spring compressor, you'd have had an easier time getting those keepers in as it would have been fully adjustable from under the van... I've seen it done that way a few times, you just need to remove as much oil as possible and cordon off the area around the spring with tape and damp rags to keep any crap from getting where you don't want it when your welding on the rod and cutting it off again.
@@generaldisarray my tools consist of Rusty vise grips and a hammer in a 1948 leaking roof shed, but I wouldn't think anyone would ever weld on a valve stem, I can see that would really work though!
Lisle makes a spring compressor for that application,, I have one it works great... Grease on those keepers make it easier like bicycle...or front wheel bearing on the older Beetle... I was yelling Great just as you said it... I do same ,, forget what I actually know... AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😜 lols..
Nerve damaging and painful to see someone struggling, at the same time strange force keep you to watch, like eating extremely hot food and ignore the Side effects.
Grease .....is the word...is the word...is the word.... Grease is the word, is the word that you heard It's got groove it's got meaning Grease is the time, is the place is the motion Grease is the way we are feeling
Mustie you amazed the h*ll out of me: I ride a SYM PHC50 scooter. The shop I bought it from replaced the valves under warranty, no cost to me, but... I use the scooter as my transportation, because I don't own a car. I was without wheels for an extra week on top of the week it took SYM to approve the warranty service, because the shop did not have a spring compressor. They had to order one. Tommy, my mechanic was pretty good, but you are better. Can't believe it!
Everyone watching is screaming at the computer monitor:. "put a little grease in there to bold the wee buggers in place"!
This reminds me of the time I used lengths of wood between the valve spring and the garage ceiling... then jacked the whole car up to compress the springs to get the keepers in to the valve stem on my Triumph TR3.... :-)
In the old Chevy Hot Rod days when we changed springs without pulling the heads, we inserted nylon rope through the spark plug holes and brought the piston up to hold the Valves and modified a rocker to compress the spring and insert the keepers. Still have my homemade tool some 40 years later!
Very creative how you held that spring down, and your as-usual infinite patience brought it through. Keep up the great work!
Bravo, sir! Bravo! Well done! (And extra points for the MacGyver-ish use of wrenches, screwdrivers, vise grips, and bottle jacks!)
Patience, patience, patience is the key and you have mastered this fine art of auto mechanics. It makes all the difference between getting it done and throwing wrenches instead of finishing the job.
That gets the MacGyver award for lifetime achievement. Fantastic!
I kept looking at the time remaining on the video thinking, "come on... You have to get this, you only have 55 seconds left!!!"
I like the birds providing the background music.
Watching you try to put the retainer on at about 4:00 was like the movie scenes where someone had to defuse a bomb lol. Better yet, remember that game Perfection where you have to put all these odd pieces in the game before it pops the parts all over!
Brilliant idea to compress the valve spring!
I was thinking fabricating a compressor that bolted to the Rocker shaft studs! This is easier -WTG!
cliff hanger
grease is your friend here as already said and i would put something in there to stop the collets from falling into the pushrod tubes , fairplay to your ingenious way of compressing the spring though
KD makes an on engine valve spring compressor. I'll try and get a video up, to show it even though I already know you're done (as seen on video #3). Also when I install keepers, I use a dab of lubriplate on the inside of each half, especially when doing the head on engine valve work.
definitely osha approved lol. good fix, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
I was thinking the same thing. I am surprised that our friend didn't do it, being an old school kind of mechanic in many ways.
I know what it's like....Cool the collets stayed in eventually...Love the jack idea.
You are amazing! I get a kick out of the comments themselves as some watch in amazement as do I.
Hey mustie1, I'm wondering if one of those will Harbor Freight magnets on the end of the valve would be too big for you to get the keepers in around but it would keep it sucked up against the valve? I don't know anything about what I'm talkin about I've never done anything like that. But I was just thinking you said gravity was fighting you. I wonder if that little magnet would help. it would keep the keepers sucked up against the valve if you shoved them in.
You should have put grease around the valve to hold the collets in place
dont think so, they were clean breaks
gday been doing valves like that for years after u put collets on i give the valve a tap to make shore that they seat in right
cheers
Did you ever find the missing valve collet?
GREASE--A LITTLE DAB WILL DO IT
Couldn't you have let the piston drop to BDC rather than immobilizing it at TDC with the wrench/visegrips? With constant air pressure fed through the spark plug hole, and both valves closed, wouldn't the air pressure be holding both valves closed so long as air was pressurizing the cylinder?
the problem is if you break the air seal trying to repair it the valve can fall into the engine, so if it is at tdc that cant happen,
@@mustie1 cant likely happen on opposed engine but good insurance
Nice problem solving and patience . . . like you said, a little grease on that keeper would have helped make it a little stickier . . . lol. Do you think any metal spring pieces made their way down in the engine via the push rod holes?? Rog
that is where the lost valve keeper went
good job...you're hired!
The rope trick is the best i had this happen last year to my trike , fixed it in less than 20 min.
View #20,221 at 12:52 PM on 4/2/19 - NJ .....Mustie!...Rocks part two.
I always tap the valve stem to seat the collets after installation never had one fail , just a tip .
gotta just slow down and focus,
you have alot of skill thats for sure you pretty much do a little. it of everything
think l swore a little
that was next
He thought about it, said it, but didn't do it... I know the feeling, figuring
Thanks for another great video...
I'm shocked that you didn't just weld a piece of threaded rod to the top of the valve stem and then use a Lambda/O2 sensor socket (the ones with the cut out on the side), a few penny washers and a nut to create an in place spring compressor, you'd have had an easier time getting those keepers in as it would have been fully adjustable from under the van...
I've seen it done that way a few times, you just need to remove as much oil as possible and cordon off the area around the spring with tape and damp rags to keep any crap from getting where you don't want it when your welding on the rod and cutting it off again.
WELD ON THE VALVE STEM!!! OH GOOD LORD, SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THAT. CANT IMAGINE ANYONE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT!
@@gtbarnes11 Well La, Di, bloody, Da, look at you with all your fancy gadgets and gizmos in your pristine ivory tower garage...
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@@generaldisarray my tools consist of Rusty vise grips and a hammer in a 1948 leaking roof shed, but I wouldn't think anyone would ever weld on a valve stem, I can see that would really work though!
grease is a good holder......tony
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Lisle makes a spring compressor for that application,, I have one it works great... Grease on those keepers make it easier like bicycle...or front wheel bearing on the older Beetle... I was yelling Great just as you said it... I do same ,, forget what I actually know... AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😜 lols..
Nerve damaging and painful to see someone struggling, at the same time strange force keep you to watch, like eating extremely hot food and ignore the Side effects.
Ingenious !!!!
Such a clever man :-), and you kept your patience.... i would have been swearing a lot lol :-)
It now has hope again :-)
Grease .....is the word...is the word...is the word....
Grease is the word, is the word that you heard
It's got groove it's got meaning
Grease is the time, is the place is the motion
Grease is the way we are feeling
Like they used to say back in the days when the hair schmoo was popular, “A little dab’ll do ya!”
awesome! I was holdiing my breath for ya
You got it.
Do you do root canals as well !~)
like down town
nice save
What a nail biter, i've got nothing left now. lol. Need a tweezers or tiny vascular pliers
Dam phones ring at the worst time. Haha
Brother in law had one go we caked everything in grease so they stay in place
Mustie you amazed the h*ll out of me: I ride a SYM PHC50 scooter. The shop I bought it from replaced the valves under warranty, no cost to me, but... I use the scooter as my transportation, because I don't own a car. I was without wheels for an extra week on top of the week it took SYM to approve the warranty service, because the shop did not have a spring compressor. They had to order one. Tommy, my mechanic was pretty good, but you are better. Can't believe it!
+David Collins thanks man,
You're a wiz. Wish you lived closer to me. I'd let you work on my bike.
yeah i used to dip em in grease first
Yeah if you had a higher lift?? If ( a small word with a big meaning) !
nice!
Plus you should have put that push rod back in first because you are fucked if u loose retainer down that Hole. Boiiiiiii 🤪
Sweet
l can try, come on over
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