2024 NFL Draft Discussion with the Athletic's Dane Brugler | PFF NFL Show

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024

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  • @JoDonn
    @JoDonn 5 месяцев назад +34

    PFF is having their own Top 30 visits this week 🔥

  • @Frostypower
    @Frostypower 5 месяцев назад +12

    Top Golf discussion is the best content you've made in a while

  • @Twincity55
    @Twincity55 5 месяцев назад +4

    "We are not going to discuss quarter backs" 😂😂😂😂 40mins top golf alpha qb test. Loved it tho

  • @marcelmartins5938
    @marcelmartins5938 5 месяцев назад +30

    First Simms, who is the man, then Sullivan, now Brugler. You guys are killing it with the collabs!

    • @dylanedelman4179
      @dylanedelman4179 5 месяцев назад +8

      Calling simms the man is a take

    • @chiefw3573
      @chiefw3573 5 месяцев назад

      @@dylanedelman4179 He is the man

    • @Nobodycares678
      @Nobodycares678 5 месяцев назад

      @@dylanedelman4179he’s certainly entertaining whether you think it’s due to outrageous takes or good analysis

    • @joeborthwick8619
      @joeborthwick8619 5 месяцев назад +2

      Chris Simms: the man 😂

    • @dennisbloomquist9220
      @dennisbloomquist9220 4 месяца назад +1

      Chris Simms isn't as big a nitwit as his father. He's about as good as he was as a quarterback. That is about as positive as I can get with him.

  • @hendog5396
    @hendog5396 5 месяцев назад +12

    How I’d love to be a fly on the wall during the Wentz Goff alpha-off

  • @codybennett244
    @codybennett244 5 месяцев назад +5

    Sam's 100% right that Vince Young wins the Top Golf experiment by a landslide

  • @af_baltimore8315
    @af_baltimore8315 5 месяцев назад +5

    Loved the Alpha talk, but Its definitely Matt Leinart

    • @Frostypower
      @Frostypower 5 месяцев назад +2

      Nah, Vince Young is arguably the best college QB of all time. People gravitate to that heavy

  • @flybobbyfly
    @flybobbyfly 5 месяцев назад +4

    top golf experiement doesn't work in 2017 when everyone loves Trubisky and Watson and makes fun of Mahomes for sounding like kermit

  • @jorger7451
    @jorger7451 5 месяцев назад +1

    this discussion was super interesting

  • @davidbresson8865
    @davidbresson8865 5 месяцев назад +3

    The problem with the Top Golf test is this: Do you need the guy who they gravitate to when they've just met and haven't spent a lot of time together, or the guy who they'll follow for years? First impressions are big, but they're not everything.

    • @davidbresson8865
      @davidbresson8865 5 месяцев назад +2

      Another factor is that some of these guys will know more of the other players already than other QBs. Penix might know a lot of the guys from the Senior Bowl, for instance.

  • @pythonbyte
    @pythonbyte 5 месяцев назад +6

    re: Brock Bowers. "As a GM, you better trust your play caller to use a guy like this", yet many including Brugler himself are mocking him to the Jets

    • @chetubetcha3615
      @chetubetcha3615 5 месяцев назад

      Aaron Rodgers can make it work… as soon as he’s out though, the offense ceases to exist lol

  • @user-ks3ol3lw3b
    @user-ks3ol3lw3b 5 месяцев назад +4

    The vast majority of assistant coaches ARE better soldiers than generals. That's a demonstrable fact. Which only suggests that Bill was more important to the success of the team than head coaches who have assistants who succeed as head coaches.

    • @smyers9052
      @smyers9052 5 месяцев назад +3

      Exactly. Bill deployed them to the limit of their capacity. A person who is good at a discrete task or even a contained strategy isn’t necessarily good at building master strategy, performing multiple tasks simultaneously, or preparing their personnel to perform at the highest level. As such, being a good OC in Belichik’s system - or any system - doesn’t make you HC material by default. And Belichik doesn’t deserve criticism for prioritizing optimal cogs for his machine over multidimensional talents built for greater things.

  • @kylebenhart3929
    @kylebenhart3929 5 месяцев назад +3

    Having all 30 visits the like last week all together sounds like an absolute nightmare.

  • @lonsch
    @lonsch 5 месяцев назад +2

    30 visits don’t count for prospects that are considered“local” by the NFL through either college or high school.
    For the Chicago Bears a “local” college is Notre Dame

  • @schnat2242
    @schnat2242 5 месяцев назад +2

    In my head canon, ben johnson heard this top golf plan and immediately took his name out of consideration

  • @kaios26k90
    @kaios26k90 5 месяцев назад +2

    When I heard about Washington's evil plan, I 100% wanted to hear you guys take on it.
    You did not disappoint!

  • @jodelleneus9877
    @jodelleneus9877 5 месяцев назад +1

    Michael Penix Jr. would definitely win the Top Golf experiment.

  • @Biz613
    @Biz613 5 месяцев назад +6

    Is that E from Entourage 😂

  • @maxberglind3275
    @maxberglind3275 5 месяцев назад +2

    Alpha test winners of the last 20 years
    2024: J.J. McCarthy
    2023: C.J. Stroud
    2022: Sam Howell
    2021: Trevor Lawrence
    2020: Joe Burrow
    2019: Kyler Murray
    2018: Lamar Jackson
    2017: Deshaun Watson
    2016: Jared Goff
    2015: Jameis Winston
    2014: Jimmy Garoppolo
    2013: Geno Smith
    2012: Andrew Luck
    2011: Cam Newton
    2010: Colt McCoy
    2009: Matthew Stafford
    2008: Matt Ryan
    2007: Kevin Kolb
    2006: Jay Cutler
    2005: Alex Smith

    • @noahtetreault3859
      @noahtetreault3859 5 месяцев назад +4

      No way Jimmy G beating Johnny Manziel in any alpha competition. This isn't a beauty pageant

    • @samuelmonson70
      @samuelmonson70 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@noahtetreault3859 Cutler in 06 is madness too. VY hands down. Cutler's own teammates hated him, though that;'s admittedly more in the NFL.

    • @denniscarney5249
      @denniscarney5249 5 месяцев назад +1

      Famous Jameis ain't winning shit. Dude was nabbing lobsters from Publix. Players aren't gravitating to thar. Kolb and McCoy weren't liked by their own teams. But it's all pointless because the real answer is golf is an individual sport. No one's playing nice or being beta.

    • @maxberglind3275
      @maxberglind3275 5 месяцев назад

      @@noahtetreault3859 going out with a ykw star bumps you up

  • @RKGrizz
    @RKGrizz 5 месяцев назад

    I have been saying that McCarthy might go ahead of Maye or Daniels and now we have the 100% accurate Alpha Top Golf test confirming it.

  • @chalkietalkie
    @chalkietalkie 5 месяцев назад

    Dane is the best… glad yall had him on

  • @exprezzion
    @exprezzion 5 месяцев назад

    the Top Golf Alpha Test (TGAT) works very well and always has been the go-to mindset of the non-quantitative community. It's also why executives of a certain age never could see leaders of a certain shade of melanin, since they hadn't seen such representation to base an alpha profiling off of. They ign'ant! LOL But now we have a better sense of what plays and what doesn't in locker rooms and see leaders across race pretty easily, having been given decades of representation to base opinion off of.
    Caleb, Daniels, Penix, JJ, Drake, Nix, Milton, Spencer, Pratt is the TGAT rankings I have for '24.

  • @washingtoncommandcenter5541
    @washingtoncommandcenter5541 5 месяцев назад +1

    Austin Gayle over Renner in the Alpha test ? Are you out of your mind? Renner runs away with that thing, unless Cris counts.

  • @charterrr
    @charterrr 5 месяцев назад +1

    i tend to side with steve in the controversial arguments… sam won the majority of the top golf debates

  • @jonathonturner6263
    @jonathonturner6263 5 месяцев назад +2

    Do the Elway, Marino draft.

    • @i8rmnky
      @i8rmnky 5 месяцев назад

      I could see Elway walking in and having the respect of the room, but part of that is respect for his physical gifts and competitive drive. Marino seemed to have the most natural charisma and popularity with teammates. Elway was the football alpha of the group. Marino was the social alpha of the group. Both translate to leadership. Jim Kelly would probably win most years.

  • @trust5977
    @trust5977 5 месяцев назад

    I used to love Brugler’s draft guide. I haven’t been able to get it since a subscription to the Athletic became mandatory in order to get one. Such an unfair policy.

  • @exprezzion
    @exprezzion 5 месяцев назад +1

    TBF to Drake re Sam Howell, the dude was like a freshman to his senior at UNC. THAT'S why. They have a big bro - lil bro relationship that would not work as a backup dynamic.

  • @bpdub21
    @bpdub21 5 месяцев назад

    Good QBs that wouldn't have won the top golf challenge:
    Justin Herbert,
    Jared Goff,
    Brock Perdy,
    CJ Stroud?
    Kirk Cousins,
    Jordan Love.

  • @ericm9305
    @ericm9305 5 месяцев назад +1

    Bro Vince Young wins the all decade Top Golf game..

  • @exprezzion
    @exprezzion 5 месяцев назад

    Top Golf Alpha Test tells you what percentage of their talent they'll use, basically. Like Tebow would outperform expectations, predicted by high TGAT. VY, too. Jason Campbell too. It might not make them the best, but means unlike a Leinart or Leaf, you'll see their talents able to be applied to an NFL offense. It's a factor, not a formula.

  • @BrianVerbaken
    @BrianVerbaken 5 месяцев назад

    The test needs to be called Top Alpha Golf

  • @Ryan-ei7te
    @Ryan-ei7te 5 месяцев назад

    2018 topgolf experiment would have had Baker as consensus number 1 by a MILE

  • @brantjensen1010
    @brantjensen1010 5 месяцев назад +3

    I just wanna know who Steve was calling a back stabber😂

    • @stmaster21
      @stmaster21 5 месяцев назад +1

      i mean eric eager left to go to sumersports (a direct competitor) so odds are the "backstabbing turncoat" is him

    • @matthewayre7652
      @matthewayre7652 5 месяцев назад

      @@stmaster21 But he's been on the Forecast pod as a guest since leaving, so seems unlikely...

    • @stmaster21
      @stmaster21 5 месяцев назад

      @@matthewayre7652 its possible steve feels strongly about eric's "betrayal" while other pff folks see it as business and not personal. not saying it's a lock for eager but he does seem like the prime candidate

  • @user-ks3ol3lw3b
    @user-ks3ol3lw3b 5 месяцев назад +1

    It's well known in the corporate world that the worst way to hire people is by personal interview. It's not opinion - it's bee studied. Picking by how guys appear to act would be no better than random.

  • @washingtoncommandcenter5541
    @washingtoncommandcenter5541 5 месяцев назад

    I've been saying all draft season that this class is crazy close to the 2021 class in makeup and that we might be able to looked to the 2021 draft order vs the Consensus board to potentially predict this draft a bit. Also as a Washington fan, I'm REALLY hoping Sam is right about JJ winning the Alpha comp. To me, JJ is the perfect Goldilocks QB in this draft. His sample size is the only thing keeping him from being my QB1.
    He does the important things coaches want, like playing within structure, executing a Pro-Style offense at a winning level, and avoiding sacks
    BETTER than the Top 3 "High Potential" playmakers.
    While also, as the youngest QB, still being a BETTER off-schedule playmaker, with higher-end flashes, than the polished guys.
    Who used the Van Wilder method of sticking around 5/6 years until their experience carried them against college comp.
    Even though I'm not a "Wins" as a QB stat guy, I think how good that Michigan team, as a whole is, is vastly overrated,
    After JJ we likely don't see another Michigan offensive player go until the 3rd and might only see 4 off that championship offense go in the whole draft, along with about the same off the defense. Compare that to Georgia where everybody BUT the QBs were 1st/2nd round caliber players and I think that paints a picture of what JJ did for that team.
    He wasn't putting up numbers, but was money on 3rd downs & played Sunday-type football every game.
    I feel way better about JJ from a gut, comp level too.
    Caleb is a lot like Kyler, but with a scary amount of that Johnny Maziel Arsonist Firefighter thing going on,
    where a lot of the good is just him fixing the problems he caused .
    Drake is like Daniel Jones with SOME of Josh Allen's upside, but ALL of his flaws, possibly slightly magnified.
    Jayden is like Baylor RG3, if it took him a 5th year to break out,
    Penix is like Tua meets Geno and Nix is like Kenny Pickett imitating Alex Smith.
    Because of Michigan's offense, I think it's way easier to see JJ's potential.
    He can execute the offense, hit all the slants, curls, outs, and digs in time, rhythm, and on schedule like Kirk Cousins, and I know it's a bold statement, but on top of that, when stuff breaks down or the team needs a play he has that athleticism and balls to crank it up from Cousins to Rodgers.
    Like a more athletic, higher ceiling, younger Brock Purdy, with plenty of room for development.
    If Harbaugh didn't have such a well-oiled machine,, and JJ wasn't so efficient at running it, he could have possibly raised his stock by putting out the fires he started like Caleb, Drake & Jayden, but he did his job and won games and I want that guy as my QB.
    So again, I hope he out Alpha'd everyone at Top Golf, I hope Adam Peters sees the same, if we could get NE to swap up for Drake or Jayden in exchange for 35 even better.

    • @Frostypower
      @Frostypower 5 месяцев назад

      Go start a blog man

    • @washingtoncommandcenter5541
      @washingtoncommandcenter5541 5 месяцев назад

      @@Frostypower didn't realize this was that long...

    • @Frostypower
      @Frostypower 5 месяцев назад

      @@washingtoncommandcenter5541 lol
      But see it as a compliment. Go write that shit down. Get paid for it

  • @ericf1966
    @ericf1966 5 месяцев назад

    I'd love to see the Bears trade back a bit and get either Murphy or Newton, and then trade up a bit to get Kneeland.

  • @fromNJ2Michigan
    @fromNJ2Michigan 5 месяцев назад +1

    Caught the Seinfeld reference Steve

  • @johnb3829
    @johnb3829 5 месяцев назад

    Rivers was better than Eli? Maybe in the regular season, what did rivers do in the postseason? Eli outplayed the goat QB+coach combo who had a perfect undefeated record until they met Eli and the NYG in the playoffs. Preposterous Steve, I’m disappointed in your QB assessment

  • @sethjoppe279
    @sethjoppe279 5 месяцев назад

    Big Goofy would win the alpha test at PFF

  • @DominickWillard
    @DominickWillard 10 часов назад

    Hernandez Sarah Clark John Davis Elizabeth

  • @tonypassaretti
    @tonypassaretti 5 месяцев назад

    Dane---great work BUT requiring a password that does not work is TERRIBLE when someone has already paid The Athletic. Why do you need a password. Haven't you been paid by The Beast?

  • @feraly7506
    @feraly7506 5 месяцев назад

    Okay the Top 30 Golf thing is so stupid. You guys are looking at this with the benefit of seeing the personalities of the guys who won the most in the NFL!
    Who says Easton Stick or Hackenburg or whoever wouldn't have been the most charismatic guys in the room? We never got see their personalities because they never had the kind of success where we got to see them in interviews!

  • @Marsman315
    @Marsman315 5 месяцев назад

    Two complete opposite ends of the quality spectrum with guests, going from the bottomless depth that is Simms to the peak of the mountain with Dane.

  • @brianp9268
    @brianp9268 5 месяцев назад

    So washington is taking 30 visit strategies from the bachelorette.

  • @sethjoppe279
    @sethjoppe279 5 месяцев назад

    Professor Big Goofy teaches PFF 101

  • @jordancarr8985
    @jordancarr8985 5 месяцев назад

    Sounds like Billy B dodged a bullet if all this shit came out. Dirty birds always stayin dirty 😂😂

  • @kylebenhart3929
    @kylebenhart3929 5 месяцев назад

    Btw the alpha test would be dominated by Caleb. 2nd I think is drake Maye. Nobody else IMO is even the best player on their own team

    • @denniscarney5249
      @denniscarney5249 5 месяцев назад +1

      Not sure why you believe that, judging by the film the UNC players put out, it's hard to conclude people were "playing their ass off" for Maye.

    • @kylebenhart3929
      @kylebenhart3929 5 месяцев назад

      @@denniscarney5249 without Maye that team is one of the worst in the country. One thing i think makes somebody a true alpha is the ability to put a team on his back. This talk of guys being alphas in a room is irelivant. Justin Fields was an alpha in the room and terrible on the field.
      The truth is Drake is the only one IMO who is close to that caliber.
      Jayden took 5 years to do it and even so he was surounded by tallent. Same with Penix. JJ has also never proved he can

    • @denniscarney5249
      @denniscarney5249 5 месяцев назад

      @@kylebenhart3929 well, we just fundamentally disagree then. The whole damn word leadership begins, ends, and is 100% defined as the ability to LEAD others. QBs MUST be leaders. Moving on, I'm not disputing that Maye carried UNC. But, I'll say it again, I don't see anyone on that team giving 110% whatever their individual talent level. Now, as far as Fields... I'd love to know your sources because whether UGA, OSU, or the Bears, he's been a complete locker room cancer as I hear it.

    • @kylebenhart3929
      @kylebenhart3929 5 месяцев назад

      @@denniscarney5249 i mean. Im a bears fan and the only reason Justin was Loved was because of his leadership. Players all loved him. Idk if you will find a single person saying otherwise. (Maybe u confusing justin woth Wilson)
      As far as the others. I think you put any qb in the lsu system with a top OL and a Top Receiving unit. They look as good as daniels.
      I think you could argue JJ if u want. But i dont get the feeling it was around him. It was around Harbaugh.
      I also have an utter destain for any player in their 5th and 6th years and thinking they are not better simply because of experience. But thats my biased opinion of this draft class as a whole.

    • @denniscarney5249
      @denniscarney5249 5 месяцев назад

      @kylebenhart3929 hope you got that help you needed, cuz Sheftty went and walked back his story about the tampering compensation today. You mentioned not liking "biased podcasts that waste your time" over there on the Falcons thread, but you follow that con artist who makes up random arse headlines whenever his bosses threaten to fire his unproductive ass.

  • @adubs365
    @adubs365 5 месяцев назад +6

    Sam’s Alpha test is maybe the silliest thing i have ever listened to when i have seen people try to evaluate talent

    • @samuelmonson70
      @samuelmonson70 5 месяцев назад +6

      It's literally a joke and just a fun conversation. If you honestly think I was serious when I said all i need is the alpha test and S2 I don't know if i need to start using graphics signaling SATIRE or what.

    • @brianp9268
      @brianp9268 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@samuelmonson70maybe one of those ‘these are trained professionals. Dont try this at home’ type disclaimers should be added before every joke.

    • @adubs365
      @adubs365 5 месяцев назад

      Why do you assume i didn’t get the joke😂

    • @samuelmonson70
      @samuelmonson70 5 месяцев назад

      @@adubs365 your reply

  • @chrisrouisse1690
    @chrisrouisse1690 5 месяцев назад

    PFF NFL Podcast, 100% plagiarizing a Bill Simmons idea/column, his imaginary idea to determine the most alpha quarterback was who would you throw the car keys to, and this alpa-ness represented at least 50%of what was required to be a quarterback. Those that know, know. Mind you this article probably came out at least 15 years ago and probably can't be found, but this is definitely plagiarism. Thanks for the great content even if it is "stolen" from someone else.

  • @rawteeb
    @rawteeb 5 месяцев назад

    This guy looks exactly like JB long on the thumbnail

  • @timedell2012
    @timedell2012 5 месяцев назад

    Commanders brought in 20 players yesterday not 30 bro

  • @GrAnDmAMiTtEnSS
    @GrAnDmAMiTtEnSS 5 месяцев назад

    Came for analysis and got bs

  • @topleftfromtime
    @topleftfromtime 5 месяцев назад

    2minutes in: “We’re not going to spend a ton of time talking about Quarterbacks” … 😭

  • @petessegarrison6618
    @petessegarrison6618 День назад

    Perez Barbara Johnson Daniel Jones Brenda

  • @goonercolt7674
    @goonercolt7674 5 месяцев назад

    Way to get a pick of him from when he was 19 😅

  • @dorothynyman1583
    @dorothynyman1583 3 часа назад

    Thomas Helen Brown Eric Thomas Jessica

  • @JuanitaaHarris-x1l
    @JuanitaaHarris-x1l День назад

    Wilson Donna Miller Anna Harris John

  • @ericf1966
    @ericf1966 5 месяцев назад

    I'd prefer Fautanu to Alt, considering the Bears QB is going to be 6'1", and Fautanu's versatility being able to play all 5 positions on the OL. Fautanu almost guarantees the Bears can put their best 5 on the OL, even in the event of an injury.

  • @smyers9052
    @smyers9052 5 месяцев назад

    I always chuckle when evaluators equate “freaky athleticism” with the ability to move from an edge role to a MIKE role, as Brugler did with Turner. Playing off-ball has more to do with instincts, block shedding, and recognition in coverage and against the run than athletic profile. See TJ Edwards lol.

  • @ally0699
    @ally0699 4 месяца назад

    Steve is a little out of touch with the culture. Nobody is Vince young’s class was touching him with the age group of his potential teammates

  • @RayeYoder
    @RayeYoder 12 часов назад

    Gonzalez Shirley Lopez Barbara Lewis Michael

  • @joaquingorina2801
    @joaquingorina2801 5 месяцев назад

    Jajaja pumas jersey. Que grande

  • @Russell_Sailor
    @Russell_Sailor 5 месяцев назад +1

    Dane says he wants his work to be available to everybody yet has zero regard for those who are "hard of reading."

    • @FantasySportsZen
      @FantasySportsZen 5 месяцев назад

      What does this comment even mean???? Seriously. Are you "hard of writing"? 😂😂😂
      Dane does eeeeendless radio and audio if you're referring to the blind and/or illiterate. Odd stuff, modern times.

    • @Russell_Sailor
      @Russell_Sailor 5 месяцев назад

      @@FantasySportsZen It's just a joke. Relax.

  • @sk1zzlegaming643
    @sk1zzlegaming643 5 месяцев назад

    Matty ice 🧊

  • @JannatiKhatun-e5b
    @JannatiKhatun-e5b День назад

    Moore Charles Anderson Anna Davis Richard

  • @marcusdrumm4881
    @marcusdrumm4881 5 месяцев назад

    Didn't Dwayne Haskins out-alpha Burrow?

  • @davidfranklin1880
    @davidfranklin1880 5 месяцев назад

    Blah, blah, blah. The Draft clearly takes too long to come around. It should be earlier to cut out all of the waffle lol. If it were, the media could really get into the actual selections, rather than the dragged out speculation.

  • @tehmpus
    @tehmpus 5 месяцев назад

    I think the safe choice for my Chicago Bears are to either take Nabers or Alt (if they fall), or trade down. That said, you might have heard of another safe choice, Fabric by Gerber Life is good insurance for your family. 😁

  • @tonypassaretti
    @tonypassaretti 5 месяцев назад

    It is not digestible with a password that does not work. I assume you do not know the problem because I hate to think you are a liar.

  • @kylebenhart3929
    @kylebenhart3929 5 месяцев назад

    I hate this talk of this top golf alpha talk. Tons of these guys could be alphas that the meetings but sucked on the football field. Its all hindsight. U also get that alpha mentality by being good.

  • @1jetsfan
    @1jetsfan 5 месяцев назад

    Rome Odunze to the Jets between 10 and 15

  • @ThePaladinJock
    @ThePaladinJock 5 месяцев назад

    If I’m going to that Commanders Top Golf shit show I’m acting like a Beta so they don’t draft me.

  • @zachdrury71
    @zachdrury71 5 месяцев назад

    “Draft fatigue” has officially set In on this channel. Finding the “Alfa male” at a top golf is a hilarious premise. 30 kids sorry.. young adults at a fuckin top golf. I can’t blame you guys for that but bald guy I don’t know your name sorry I’m sorry.. your analysis of this was what? Idk bc your co host bailed you out when your “point” became oblivious. A Lord of the fly’s reference dropped like what you were saying was so profound lol.This wasn’t food for thought nor did it distinguish its self from everyone else that will post their opinion. I’m running out of room but I love the channel But this one was a miss bc of open ended points that are just out of touch with reality

  • @jgberzerker
    @jgberzerker 5 месяцев назад

    It’s surprising how much pseudoscience is used by these billion dollar companies use to assess multi-million dollar athletes. Reminds me of the “ugly girlfriend” comment in Money Ball.

  • @RB-.-
    @RB-.- 5 месяцев назад

    There’s a slight hint of racism in these alpha assumptions

  • @braddyOpferkew
    @braddyOpferkew 4 дня назад

    Williams Eric Moore Michelle Robinson Jason