Joe Thomas Shares What He Saw From Johnny Manziel While Teammates With Him In Cleveland | 08/09/23
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2023
- Hall of Fame offensive lineman Joe Thomas joins the Dan Patrick Show and shares what he saw from former quarterback Johnny Manziel back when they were teammates on the Cleveland Browns
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Can't say enough about Joe... great player on our worst teams for years, wish he was here now
He's played enough with unprofessional quarterbacks.
@@davidmitchell6873 homies acting like they arent still last in the division lol
So, Joe spent his whole career being a part of an offense that completely got wrecked constantly. Defensive schemes literally did not bother challenging him at all and attacked other weaknesses. Therefore he never really had a challenge. He had a long career because he was rarely challenged and just jogged off the field after 3 and outs. His talent was such a waste and we never got to see what he was capable of.
He was offered to be traded, he chose to stay... no bs
Well, guess what... Watson, superbowl, super browns
Based off this 2 minute clip I can already tell Joe Thomas would of made a better GM than whoever the Browns have had for the past 50 years 😂
Would *have*
I feel like about 10% of RUclips commenters would make better GM's than half of them in the league right now. My Colts took Anthony Richardson and my heart sank. I think they, like 90% of RUclips commenters, fall victim to the hot take analysts persuasion. Everyone says so and so is good, so he must be! There are plenty of traits that we just *know* cannot be successful at the highest level. We know it. Richardson, as an example, had played football poorly at every level. But he's an athletic freak and a nice kid, so he's "got a high ceiling." Doesn't matter that he's NEVER actually been good at football. "We'll fix him at the absolute highest level," Chris Ballard thinks to himself. Manziel was an obvious bust the day he was drafted, just like Richardson was. Hope I'm wrong, but the entire history of the NFL makes it pretty obvious that I'm not.
@@saulspeaks2557 Colts made a huge mistake when they fired Reich
@@Laxbros1142 I don't think so. I knew he was the wrong choice The moment he went for it on fourth down against the texans in OT because he didn't want to tie. The idiot didn't even realize that matters in the standings at the end of the year. They should have fired him at the end of that season.
@@Laxbros1142 Yep, Colts ownership isn't very good.
It had to be infuriating for a guy like Joe Thomas who’s work ethic is second to none to have to look at a 1st round QB come in and absolutely not give a rat’s ass about playing the game with even the slightest level of effort or professionalism. How Joe weathered his entire career in Cleveland during the dark ages is beyond me. The man is a legend
That was the most honest and accurate take I've ever heard on manziell, especially from anyone who was in or around the league
They drafted Baker Mayfield like 3 years later. Granted, he was better than Manziel.... but he had Manziel written all over him. And he didn't work out. He's on his 4th different team in the last calendar year.
Actually, the Browns went 2-4 when Johnny started in 2015, while in all other games from 2015-2017 Browns were 2-40. A partying Manziel was the most winning Browns QB over a 3 year period while only starting 6 games during that period...LOL!
@@clarkg5946 all the QB's in the 70's partied and still won Super Bowl. Joe Namath and Kenny Stabler come to mind. It must have been like getting freed from prison for both of them getting to the NFL after Bear Bryant's death camps at Alabama 🤣
No it wasn’t. Dude was super athletic
@@jiveassturkey8849 baker revived the browns franchise and each year they were better than the next until the browns decided to give up on him dont compare baker to manziel not even close
this is what pure class looks like. this is the nicest way he could possibly answer this question w/o murdering Johnny and make it sound like an objective yet professional view of what he witnessed.
EXACTLY!
I remember a veteran player telling the story of leaving training camp practice one day and noticed Manziel was next to him leaving too. He asked him, “where you going rookie”??? Manziel answered, “practice is over, I’m leaving.” The veteran player said he knew then this guy wasn’t going to make it. All the other rookies, free agents, 2nd year players stayed on the field getting work in, but ole Johnny didn’t think he needed it.
It wasn't so much that he didn't think he needed it, he was so self -absorbed and immature, that he didn't CARE to do it.
@@SweetLou15well said! Even TODAY you can still see his arrogance and immaturity. And he looks like an alcoholic.
Grew up down the street from Joe. Incredible guy and incredible family. I have so much respect for him. He broke records in track and was a great basketball player at our high school as well.
Your family was rich huh
@@1yungez depends on your definition of rich. You should of seen him playing bball… dominated the paint. It was a man amongst boys on the court.
Wow very interesting
Had great feet, athletic. You combined that with his strength and knowledge and that's why he is in the Hall of Fame.
Did you massage his balls too?
When Manziel snuck out to the bar "disguised" in a wig, I thought it was a joke. But nope! He actually thought no one would recognize him with blonde hair. LMAO!!!
That just goes to show how dedicated he was to partying over football.🍺🍻🥃🍷🏈
And he told all his entourage to refer to him as "Billy" so that no one they met would know it was Johnny.
Joe Thomas was a really class act as a player on a somewhat lacking Browns team. I feel bad that he never got a chance to really be on a promising team. He is the epitome of a real sportsman and a true professional, but he's in the HOF where he deserves to be. Congratulations sir.
Somewhat lacking? The browns were trash every season he played there.
He git paid. It's was a great career.
Hearing him just check off the Manziel’s limitations, it makes one wonder how anyone ever thought he was a first rounder.
The “It” factor would be the only reason. He had no sustainable skills or work ethic, but apparently “It” would eliminate all those concerns
They knew he would sell tickets. He improvised in high school and college, but that doesn't transfer when the pros are the best of the best. All of them
Same for Kyler Murray!
Nicest way Joe could say the Browns had no clue how to scout.
This is called “putting it kindly”.
Class act human and Player.
And all those things were going through Joe's head, but he still told people to lay off manziel and give him a chance to prove himself, that's awesome that he is so polite.
Dudes attitude n mouth exceeded his talent by a long shot!!!!!
What Joe’s trying to say is, nobody was going mistake this guy for Fran Tarkington.
I think it started with his first game when they got blown out by the Bengals 30-0. He has one good game against Tennessee in 2015. Blame the owner for insisting that he get in the lineup when they were 7-4 with Brian Hoyer.
Your statement is partially true. As a fan I remember Manziel came in against the bengals and Didn’t know the plays! But hoyer slipped to 7-6 and it was all the media and manziel fans needed to beg for him to play. Of course hoyer would have been better and yes we should have never drafted that idiot in the first place
Yep, add it to the long list of Jimmy Haslam’s “I can’t get out of my own way” events. These also include Josh Gordon and now Watson. Why can’t we just get decent citizens who can play football? Why? Because nobody wants to actually play for the Browns at heart. Except for Joe Thomas. He was and is an exceptional dude!
I think that’s when we as fans knew. Based on the doc, I’d say the Browns knew almost immediately. He was always drunk and almost failed a drug test at the combine. He didn’t watch film even though the team tracked it. His agent said the team told him he had watched 0.0 hours of film. Nightmare draft pick the day he was drafted.
If I were Mike Pettine, I would have dared Jimmy Haslam to fire my ass before I put Johnny Manziel in the game. The Browns were in the middle of a fight for a playoff spot and they should have stuck with Brian Hoyer until the Browns were eliminated from post season contention. You don't change QBs when you are in the middle of a playoff push.
I'm a titans fan and I remember the game from 2015 you're speaking of. Everyone knows that Johnny only won that game because Travis Benjamin absolutely smoked the titans terrible defense that game. Literally any QB could have won that game 😂
If the Browns had done their homework, they’d have known I was lazy-Johnny Manziel on the Oprah show.
Joe Thomas deserved to play for a better organization.
Joe is a real superstar on and off the field! Drafting a guy like that is like winning the lotto!
..and the Browns proved winning the lotto the 2nd time is impossible.
Overrated af
After watching that documentary I immediately wondered if the NCAA is going to revoke his Heisman. If they don't then they need to reinstate Reggie Bush's Heisman.
💯
Johnny will get the white privilege and I’m white.
Nothing but respect for Joe Thomas. He played the LT position in All-Pro form his whole HoF career on absolutely horrendous Browns teams. That just goes to show what a great person, employee, and role model he truly was. I salute him & Bravo to him getting a bust in Canton.
Roasted the shit out of him in the nicest way possible
The Netflix show Johnny Football is excellent. Manziel NEVER watched game tape. He was only dedicated to the party life starting long before his pro career. He said being released from the Browns was a "weight off his shoulders". Hopefully he has his life turned around. Thanks to DP for mentioning the show, which is how I discovered it.
I wouldn’t say it’s excellent - it left a lot to be desired on where Johnny is now and post Cleveland Johnny …the high school to college to draft was excellent but it left out so much post NFL - it needed an extra two hours and it was strange ending because we don’t know if he’s okay
@@Thatfantasyfootballchick You make good points Scott. I would only add that people with addictions are addicts for life. People can be sober for years and then fall off the wagon. So we don't have the answer to your question. Bad Company did a song in 1974 called Shooting Star. Hopefully Johnny M does not have the same fate as Johnny in the song.
@@cliffpeebles9705for sure and It was strange where we get the idea from his sister and dad that he’s not in the right place to do anything right now and he’s chilling with drinks and hanging around guys that looked like they were still partying (obviously not as hard) …Johnny kind of just mentioned he is Bipolar but there is nothing extended from it about how he’s making personal progress. I guess we need a part II in 5 years. They didn’t cover his CFL craziness or anything else like that
@@Thatfantasyfootballchick Know you Scott, it would be interesting to have a professional counselor opine about the "reduced" partying. I would think a person would have to go cold turkey. But what are you going to do as a family member? He has his own money. I don't know. Enjoy your weekend.
It blows my mind that there are NFL QB's who aren't interested in watching game tape. The whole Kyler Murray mandatory film study that was supposedly written into his contract is ridiculous. Brady and Manning have both said that they couldn't watch enough tape.
Damn, that was the most well expressed roasting I've ever seen packed into less than 3 minutes
Joe nailed it. The fact that he went in the first round like tebow is astounding when both were 7th rounders or Free Agents at best. I remember when manziel was there at 16 (Dallas Cowboys slot) and the Cowboys fans wanting and chanting manzeils name but Dallas didn't take manziel. Dallas instead took a hall of fame Guard named Zack Martin.
OL picks are never sexy in the first round and part of the reason is they do not give them more stats.
The rumor was the Browns owner took Manziel because a homeless man told him to.
They went in the first round bc they won the Heisman dummy
@@tonygaertner8863 Many first round busts go in 1st round who did not.
@@tonygaertner8863’He went in the first round bc he won the Heisman dummy’ there fixed it for you
What does winning a Heisman have to do with being drafted in the 1st round. Charlie Ward won the Heisman and never played a single snap of professional football mostly because he was told he would be a late 3-5 round draft pick. However he was picked 26th overall in the 1st round of the 1994 NBA draft by the New York Knicks.
“Backyard football”
Definitely a good way to describe his college career
that was the Best take on Manziel someone could say
GREAT BROWNS PLAYER. CAN'T SAY THAT VERY OFTEN
While he was describing all of Johnny manziel's physical limitations I completely thought for a minute that he was talking about Baker Mayfield. I guess the difference between the two is Baker is fired up to be somebody in the NFL while Manziel couldn't really care less and would be fine with just being a celebrity. I'm sure he would love to be a star quarterback but he doesn't want to put out the effort that it would take to do that. Baker Mayfield probably does put out that effort but he's a limited quarterback physically just like Johnny Manziel.
I think Baker has a big arm but, I could be wrong.
@@jamesspalten5977big for college standards, around average among starting level QBs in the Pros
When the Cowboys passed on him in the draft that told me everything I needed to know.
You say that like they are the Pats.Who uses Dallas as an example of good decision making?
Travis Fredrick , Tyrone smith , Jason written , dez Bryant , Troy aikman ,Micheal Irvin ,emmitt smith …..Demarcus ware , Larry Allen …. Decisions
@@edwardfessenden9490 Not the point. The point was, what the hell is wrong with this kid when even Jerry Jones didn't bring in one of the most popular athletes in America at the time.
I was so sick when they drafted Johnny Manziel. I so hoped that Dallas would draft him, but when they didn't my stomach just sunk.
Dallas instead drafted a hall of fame guard
It would have probably fallen apart worse in Dallas lol. I'm a cowboy fan but I still remember the trauma from like Quincy Carter 😂
@@michaelj4256 Believe me it was a complete cluster here. I honestly don’t know what they were thinking
Zach Martin enters the conversation.
@@michaelj4256Quincey should’ve played baseball. He was outstanding. I’m friends with a lot of those guys from his team at GA and they all say he was by far the best all around athlete on those teams back then.
Perfectly said.
Glad Joe Thomas actually pointed out something relevant as to why Manziel was a bust: he played backyard football in college - do you know how many times he had a perfect pocket created by his offensive line yet the only thing he really knew how to do was scramble out of the pocket and hit a receiver on a broken play. The first time he tried it in the NFL he was intercepted - the same game he threw for only 30 yards. That was basically all he did in college and in the NFL. It was a serious red flag for anyone who actually paid attention to it
Yeah, but it was must see tv on Saturdays for a while...so fun to watch. Sort of still can't believe at A&M it was that unstructured of a game plan.
he was supposed to be what patrick mahomes is today. how fast was mahomes?
Yeah, perhaps. But Mahomes comes from a pro athlete family, and he is insanely driven to succeed it seems and has more natural throwing skill. But I still wonder if Manziel had the same drive as PM, if he could have succeeded. Lot's of pro players do not think so, but I wonder. @@caitlincaitlin4703
@@caitlincaitlin4703 Lol bro mahomes is 6'3 with a huge arm on top of his ability to scramble and hes like 230 they aren't comparable at all other than the scrambling
@@caitlincaitlin4703hahaha
nice of Joe to bite his tongue throughout that whole mess, did JM and the team a huge favor they absolutely did not deserve.
I thought it was a great documentary. Showed how he felt and what he went through in Cleveland. Also, it showed how nobody was willing to hold him ACCOUNTABLE at A&M. He was in rehab BEFORE the draft. He went from military style football in high school to college coaches letting him do WHATEVER HE WANTED. Hell even the president of the school didn’t care 😆! Shows him living life in Arizona chilling out. His sister says he is still not in a good enough headspace to go out and work on a project etc.. For the better, you can just tell he is so much better without football. After all, he said he felt the “weight lifted off of his shoulders when the browns let him go”.
Tbh they let him do what he wanted in HS
He is a generic substance abuser and not much more. No hate because I had my days of that too, but then you grow up. More than likely he will have a short life. All of my childhood friends that did not grow up had short life’s. It’s to bad he never even tried, not at football but life.
The doc still seemed to wanna deflect blame from Johnny to his being a product of his environment. Why did they only really interview people within Johnny's circle? Nobody within the Browns organization was interviewed about him or that era. No teammates from A&M were. Just his close circle of friends and family (and yes Kliff is a friend at this point)
Haha
@pepesilvia exactly… no interviews from his former teammates and other coaches…
I saw him out around LA at the various nightclubs, knew he would never make it in the NFL. He was more interested in the fame part than the football part.
Joe brought up a really good point about Manziel’s limitations. The backyard football stuff works in college but all the good/great QBs in the NFL when Manziel entered had qualities Manziel didn’t have:
- Rodgers & Stafford had better arm talent
- Cam Newton was bigger & faster
- Brees was a better refined passer & pocket QB
- Brady, Roethlisberger, Ryan, & Rivers were all taller & could take the hits Joe is talking about as well as see over a D-Line
The closest comp to Manziel was probably going to be Russell Wilson, but even he had better arm talent to make up for his height limitations. Not sure what the Browns were thinking even if Manziel didn’t have the off-field issues
I remember him taking a fishing trip on draft day. Time flies
As a Browns fan, I thought the Manziel fanboys were morons then
His scouting report on what he thought about Manziel aside from his antics to me was SPOT ON! I will always say that college football was DOWN the year he won the Heisman. Chris Kline and Mantae Tao other nominees that year…. Pppppphhhhh 😂😂
Nailed it
I always thought the browns wanted to sell tabloid headlines rather than being a mediocre team. They had Holcomb and Hoyer who were both serviceable guys who could win 6-9 games a year, but they would rather create a Trainwreck and blow it all up.
The Browns in 2014 were in the middle of a playoff push at 7-4 with Brian Hoyer at QB before they decided to put Manziel at QB. Mike Pettine should have dared Jimmy Haslam to fire him before changing QBs while the Browns were still in playoff contention and Hoyer was still healthy to play.
Mike Evans really made Manziel look good in college.
Evans helped but Manziel was electric.
This is what I always said. Manziel doesn’t blow up like he did without Evans making him look as good as he did. Toss it up to Evans and he would just come down with it
Manziel was elite in college. I don't like him but he would have still excelled in college without Evans.
Obviously you never watched a single aggie game. In 2012 and 2013 a&m had an amazing WR group. Manziel would typically have 9 different WRs in a game with receptions. Only mentioning Evans is an insult to Swope, Kennedy, Nwachukwu, Walker, Holmes, and Labhart.
I don’t have much sympathy. He got a lot of people fired because he acted like a child. Costs people careers and resumes.
He also made a lot of people a lot of money. Like the coaches at atm.
yeah but you could flip it and also say he got a lot of people jobs and created a lot of money for people
@@stephenzajonc4766and The NCAA
He didn't force anyone to draft him in the first round. If he was picked much later or went undrafted, no one would have gotten fired over his poor behavior.
@@is0sceles He is to blame for his decisions stop defending him. He chose not to watch film and party.
Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson: "The Detroit Lions wasted our careers!"
Joe Thomas: "Oh please!"
How did ownership not see whom they were drafting. Would like to.know the inside story on this draft pick. Was it the homeless guy story?
This is probably why he got voted in: everything he went through in Cleveland, and with the sheer amount of talent he had...we are forever grateful, Joe. If Deshaun somehow wins us a title, the Browns brass need to get you fitted for a ring as well. They owe you that much!
i adore joe thomas, even as a ravens fan, and i get being blunt because his scouting take was very well said. but he acts as though it was all in johnny's control. ok, well, it was - but only to an extent.
what i'm trying to say is that for the past couple of years i've dealt with anxiety, depression, etc. as a result of untreated ADHD. before all of this happened, i would've jumped on johnny in the same way. we all say "oh i would've done this or that if i were in this situation", but after going through this, i've realized that people can't really understand it until they experience it first hand. it almost permanently changes a person, and sometimes we have to go to rock bottom to really understand who we are. someone can get into a place that's so dark & deep and do things consciously but not get the gravity of it towards the end, and once someone gets into that place, it doesn't matter what talents or advantages they have, it's a wrap. this is why the nfl should do screenings on every player in the pre-draft process, because most of them come from tough backgrounds, and coaching staffs/GMs should put mechanisms in place to work around those limitations.
tldr: i wish society had more empathy for conditions like this, and i pray that nobody else in these comments faces it. and if y'all do, i am always happy to be a listener, because NOBODY should have to suffer in silence. it's more complicated than people think.
I'm really glad that Mr. Thomas said this. For a future Hall of Fame veteran like that, it has to be incredibly discouraging to watch your franchise draft some guy in the first round who the odds were stacked against. As he noted, there were so many checkmarks in the "cons" column and few-to-none in the "pros" column. While physical limitations can be overcome, having a weak worth ethic combined w/ an inability and complete lack of experience playing system football made Manziel who was never, ever going to make it in the League. At no point did he ever have what it took nor was he willing to work for it. It was a lose-lose situation.
As a Clevelander and life long Browns fan, the manziel and Josh Gordon days were bottom of the barrel and then we had Ray Farmer as gm who was texting coaches during the game to put Johnny in. Between these three guys the off field distractions where at there worst. Ya the 1-31 era was bad but the Browns were kinda sucking on purpose to get high draft picks, but it was those two Manziel years that were so painful to be a Browns fan because of all the bs happening off the field. All the more impressive for guys like joe to continue to do his part regardless of what was going on. We all felt horrible for you buddy!
The Watson years will be even more fun 😂
Its crazy how the browns are a totally different team now. Im a cowboys fan. Everyone tears my team apart. I envy yall in a sense because you really have watched this team grow into a real contender. When i was a kid the browns sucked forever and for so long
They didnt become an actual team until i got into highschool. Happy to see what yall have built with the number 1 pick for like 10 years lmao
@@cbaileychamp on paper we look pretty good..will see what the record shows at the end of the year. Browns fans have fallen for the "they look good, this is the year" trap so many times, at this point we just wait and see 😂
Agreed. 1-31 was rough, but everyone knew Sashi was trying to lose (just didn't expect Hue to be so good at it). We were trying to accumulate draft capital and reset the roster with all young guys. So there was at least a plan. The Farmer days were just mind-numbing because you could tell it was a team with no real plan that was trying to win and couldn't sniff competence.
@@pepesilvia3573 100%.
All good takes over here
Figures that Cleveland would draft him
God Joe Thomas is a saint
How are lineman stats quantified? Seriously when did they start keeping track of pancakes? I know it’s a stat but what year was it originally?
Feel bad for joe he played every play hurt or not to protect him.
Joe and T’Brigashaw Ferguson with the jets.
What Joe Thomas says makes perfect sense, and I totally accept that his perspective is the right one. I thought Manziel was an obnoxious, self-centered jerkoff from the start. And as Thomas says, Manziel was essentially playing backyard football and trying to make it work in the NFL without really trying to expand or improve on his skills or his leadership. Sure, he had a few flashy plays here and there, but it was in the context of disrespect for his teammates and the game. He went nowhere before long, and that's where he belongs.
Joe was as great as any Olineman of all time!
Joe Thomas saying literally everything every Browns fan had been saying for years about Johnny Fooseball..
Doesn't change the fact that the Browns went 2-4, when partying and no studying playbook Johnny started in 2015 while in all other games from 2015-2017 Browns were 2-40. Manziel most winning Browns Qb for 3 years...lol.
This is the first I ever heard about a Manziel documentary
So many people said the same thing and yet the browns execs saw a superstar. All you need to know about the browns. They didn’t deserve Joe Thomas.
I think Joe Thomas could be an amazing prospect for Cleveland Head Coach one day here....sooner rather than later maybe?!? He has the temperament, knowledge and experience to do it. Plus the intangibles that seperates good from great. Maybe his ultimate destiny was not to win with the Browns as a player but to go all the way as a leader and coach. Joe Thomas for Browns HC 2024!
Cold hard facts
Joe Thomas is a better man then myself.
"The coaches couldnt find him"
😂😂😂.
Good for Joe. You have to tell the truth.
In regards to Joe’s assessment of Johnny’s physical traits and capabilities as a quarterback, what does that tell you about the Cleveland Browns scouts, draft analysts, general manager, assistant, coaches, head coach?
They went with ticket sales over performance otherwise they would have drafted Bridgewater
In games Manziel started in 2015 the Browns went 2-4, while in all other games from 2015-2017 Browns were 2-40. The Browns entire org was dreadful. Johnny was actually the most winning QB over a 3-year period while only starting 6 games during that period....LOL.
Reminds me of the JaMarcus Russell blank tapes story.
QB is toughest position to transition college-> pro level. Look at all the 1st round picks who flamed out.
Manziel to Travis benjamin .. there were flashes of being able to play at that level.
All those quote unquote Physical limitations dont mean crap ! Jonny was magic on the field. If he was commited and sober he would of been a NFL star 🌟
Their is some quick insight for anyone scouting the NFL. Supreme athletic ability, commitment to the team, and a high football IQ. When a guy has none of those, pretty sure there is no reason to draft him in the first round.
Wouldnt mind seeing joe in a combat sport .. definitely has that dawg in em'
I'm sure Joe regrets not allowing the trade to the Broncos in 2015 who went on and won a Super Bowl.
Johnny was tripping but it’s the fucking Browns
MONEY MAN!!
Playing backyard football with Mike Evans can help a bunch
I would be hot at the front office like c’mon bro
Damn… Joe ate Johnny Football up.
I agree with everything except the athletic ability, it's impossible to lead the sec in rushing and not be athletic
Browns went 2-4 when Johnny started in 2015, while in all other games from 2015-2017 Browns were 2-40. Johnny's off the field problems are well documented but the dude could play. Even partying Manziel who only started 6 games for the Browns in 2015 was the most winning Browns QB over a 3 year period.
Agreed, he ran like a 4.6 40 and was insanely agile for a qb.
I agree also you don't win the Heisman trophy being non athletic lol. The guy was a selfish punk though
Let's not forget that johnny came along at the start of the RPO offense where running qbs were killing defenses. If you look at that bama tape the defense is lost. Same with RG3, defenses hadn't caught up. He was indeed athletic but not NFL athletic and it showed quickly in the NFL. Plus the coaches adjusted to the running qbs.
I don’t know. I think I’m going to trust the word of a nfl hall of famer and someone who was his teammate. College level defenses don’t sniff the jockstrap of NFL defenses.
Him and Johnny pill pop have one thing in common.. NO SB RINGS 😂
He just roasted Johnny Manzel for 2 and a half minutes
Usually, headlines are sensational. Here. The headline could have read Joe Thomas, eviscerates Johnny Manziel and been actually honest. But he kept all the points he made clean and above the belt
Take notes kids. This is how you call someone a train wreck of a human being with class Lmfaoo
Joe Thomas is like, “you had to go there , didn’t you?” I mean this was Joe Thomas’s moment, and they want talk about manziel.
Joe Thomas is a classy guy much respect for him always Johnny wadd f u man got a lot of money for the party boy ruined many.
Why am I all of a sudden seeing people talking about Johnny Football a decade later?
the stupid documentary. it was recently made
Seeing him take sacks vs steelers was like legos exploding. Quite fun to watch.
Have to hand it to Manziel, he never had what it took to make it in the NFL and I think he even knew it. But he had an amazing agent and somehow got him drafted in the 1st round. Manziel got paid almost $20 million for doing pretty much nothing. Pretty amazing. If anything the Netflix documentary showed how incredible his agent was 🤣 and is probably a good sales pitch.
Finally. I thought all that about him while he was in college. I just didn't get all the hype. He was good, but nothing special. Same thing with Baker. I'm a Steelers fan and I'm being very cautiously optimistic about Pickett.
Seeing him take sacks vs pittsburg was like legos exploding. Quite fun to watch.
Johnny had about 400 total yards that game. Not that bad of a game actually. Especially for a Browns QB.
Damn he shit on him at the end lol
The one thing about A&M's offense during Manziel's time that made me really doubt how he'd do in the NFL, was that so many plays would turn into playground football. Everything would break down and Johnny would elude and then make some ridiculous odd angle pass that would hit the mark. It was amazing to watch. Then you realize that way too many plays were unstructured and broke down like that to the extent that it was almost Johnny creating it by design to play to his strengths. And because it worked, Sumlin allowed him to pretty much do whatever the hell he wanted out there. But unstructured, and allowing plays to break down by design was never, ever going to work in the NFL where defenses are not only disciplined, but much, much faster, smarter, and complex. I'm not certain he really knew how to process and execute a structured offensive strategy. He refused to study an NFL playbook, because I'm pretty sure he didn't really have to know any playbook up to that point all that well, since so much of his game was improvisation, and WRs breaking off their routes to try and follow his lead.
Professionally Roasted.
Joe clearly hasn’t watched highlights of him during college. Johnny was shifty as hell in college!!
Man, Joe Thomas looks great. Glad he lost all that Lineman weight.
And the media painting johnny as the next best thing😂😂😂 look back on how many subpar qbs got a payday for their college resume
I think when Johnny went to training camp he realized that he didn't have what it takes, and decided to wash himself out. He was never going to last in the NFl; even under the best of circumnstances, but damn if he shouldn't have tried his hardest.
they let Joe down man. holy shit
Thanks goodness the Browns organization got a lot better.
LOLOLOL!!!
The browns should hire Joe Thomas as a GM.