My grandfather had a massive garden and I remember one year he grew a tomato plant that was 18ft tall. That same plant produced multiple tomatoes that weighed anywhere from 3-5lbs a piece and and had 1 8lb tomato and a 10lb one. The man then turned them all into an excessive amount of sauce
@@ottlakafka3409 he would can his own stuff and make sauces all the time. He basically supplied his whole neighborhood with fresh fruits and vegetables. But yeah I remember when he was done that year he had nearly 8 5gallon buckets of sauce that then got sold locally to stores and restaurants.
@Disabled-Megatron they’re probably somewhere in his workshop. He would always keep bags labeled from every year. He grew several other fruits and vegetables and his favorite was his zucchini plants. He actually grew one so large he got a award thing for it and was on the front of the local newspaper.
Yes those suckers will grow more tomatoes however if you prune all the suckers off, you will less but have BIGGER tomatoes. Hack I learned from a widow woman. 😊
Yes, but in Texas that just means you have more split tomatoes due to the heat. I found a lot more success with smaller tomatoes and often grow only cherry and grape varieties.
Notice he doesn't say the weight difference either ..but for cherry tomatoes it wouldn't matter For big tomatoes it would, depending on the size you want.. That being said, if you trim "all" of the "suckers" you're the sucker because you won't get any tomatoes. You can clone suckers, and if you do it early enough you can end up with multiple plants that give you ripe tomatoes in stages
😂 I got lazy( and busy) one year and didn't prune the suckers and had the Mother of all bumper crops of tomatoes. So I stopped creating myself extra work😂 and leave them alone. Texas Tomato Cage them and thin out foliage for good airflow. Done
Who would have thought! If you leave the part of the plant that grows the tomatoes on you'll get more tomatoes! This fad of cutting everything off of the tomatoes except the top couple of leaves is really crazy.
Were they both the same type of tomato? Looks like the ones you pruned were bigger tomatoes, sort of like beefsteak, and the ones you didn't prune were cherry tomatoes. Cherry tomatoes, even though they're indeterminate, should not be pruned. There is a big difference! Also, I would be interested in knowing the weight of the tomatoes harvested rather than the number because a 110 beefsteak tomatoes are going to weigh more than 330 cherry tomatoes.
I didn't know you don't prune cherry toms! Can I prune a few just not all? I'm worried my setup won't support it all. Also, I was planning to leave a sucker or two for each of my beefsteak plants. Do you think I'll still get good flavor and texture? This is my first year gardening so I'm learning a lot!
@@allisonkarasch12 You can prune some on the bottom of a cherry tomato to plant it deep for roots and a little bit throughout to make sure it gets enough air, but cherries will produce even on the suckers. For the beefsteak, I would not leave any suckers because they just slow down production of the arms that will produce tomatoes, and pruning the armpit area of suckers provides more air throughout. If the suckers are big enough, you can put them in some water with honey, sugar, or rooting solution to develop roots and then pot them up until you're ready to plant your next round of tomatoes. I know it sounds weird because if they are suckers on one plant, they will not produce tomatoes, but when pruned and potted they can become the primary stem of a tomato plant. It's like getting free plants!
I'm a novice tomato grower, my biggest plant is nearly a foot tall. I was told to remove all the suckers which I've been doing as soon as their sneaky little heads pop through. Thanks for letting me know about this. 🍅🍅🍅
Just make sure they have enough feed and water. Probably better to let the tomato get to around 2/3 ft and in its final spot before you properly let them go.
To be clear, pruning the suckers on indeterminate (vining) LARGE variety tomatoes is appropriate because it takes a long time and a lot of the plant's resources to grow a large tomato. Cherry tomatoes in his example are different. They grow a lot of tomatoes all over the plant. Some suckers will grow and produce tomatoes and others will use up two or three feet of growing energy and produce nothing. You don't trim off all the suckers on a cherry plant if you want to get cherry tomatoes. That said, his trellising solution is really good.
that comment on suckers just blew my mind. im in the process of experimenting runnin 3 stems on most of mine this yr. i thought they would grow slow but they are 8 ft tall, some are as samll at 6 ft
Absolutely appreciate your experiments! I’m an amateur garden, I question almost everything I do but I often look back at your videos to see I’m on the right track
cut a cattle panel to the size of the trellis and let the tomatoes grow up that you can use the string to tie vines that stick out and it fare less work then stringing the vine to individual strings and picking the suckers that grow besides the 4 strings
What I do is to simply plant my tomatoes in the sunny side of my elderberries. The elderberries provide the strong support and fruit on their own with no issues. The tomatoes happily obliged. Nothing to build. At the end of the season, I cut the elderberries all the way down to the soil level as I am supposed to and the next season, repeat all over again. These are American elderberries. European elderberries have a different pruning requirement.
You can let the sucker get some leangth, place in water till roots grow, then cut and plant. It is also possible to bury a section of the vine, then when roots grow, cut to make a new planet
I used the back stairs of my house to train up my tomatoes. They grew some 30 feet - from the first floor to the 3rd floor. Although they didn't receive any direct sunlight I still had several dozen large juicy tomatoes. The planter they grew in was also where my husband has been emptying my daily coffee grounds, egg shells, banana and fire place ashes.... I put the plants under the stairs and out of the sunlight because my family prefers green tomatoes over red ones, yet we still had plenty of red tomatoes thanks to the fireplace ashes... ( my sons love fried green tomatoes and green tomato chutney 😊
I’m glad you did this experiment because I don’t prune (suckers) and my tomatoes do very well. People cutting everything end up with skeletons for tomato vines. I’m like who keeps this information going because it’s wrong. I get loads of fruit from a healthy plant
Do you grow determinate or indeterminate tomatoes? That makes all the difference. The only indeterminate tomato that does not need too much pruning is the cherry tomato.
@@cookingsherry8784 no this is a crazy fad. Think about it. You're cutting off the part of the plant that grows the fruit. How will that help you grow more? My father my grandparents I myself have grown all sorts of tomatoes for decades. If you cut the part of the plant off that grows the fruit you will not get fruit. It's simple. This is a bizarre fad.
Yeeees! Thank you! I have 2 suckers I left, and now that they're almost my height, they need help! Super easy, and solves the problem I ran into, JUST IN TIME! THANKS!!! 🎉
You should give a try to letting the tomato plant grow on the ground like a squash. I tried it one year and the only plant I didn't stake produced more tomatoes and was healthier.
I always cut suckers because they can kill the main stem. However, I let them get 4” or so first, then cut them cleanly and root them to propagate additional plants.
I need to get my brother to help me make a tomato trellis like that. Planted a bunch of tomato plants without a trellis, forgot how much they grow since we've had a few bad years in a row, and ended up with a jungle.
Nope-- a cage will crowd the tomato plant too much when it's growing that many main stems. Uber-productive tomato plants will start having problems with too much moisture on the leaves and make them susceptible to insects.
I worked at a greenhouse, and my boss and his father (the previous owner) had a competition every year where they would see who could grow a better tomato plant. My boss would buy the newest seeds of a Tomato called Tomato X, which produced super juicy purple tomatoes and he used this technique :)
I grew two Everglades tomatoes once. One i pruned. It was hard work, i got some tomatoes. One i let go crazy. It was no work and had really 10x the tomatoes.
I planted cherry tomatoes and did exactly the same I plucked bottom suckers but left the top suckers. And let Me tell you I reviewed insane amount of fruits. Alhamdulilah.
I love gardening videos because you get to see everyone disagree with each other in the comments as they provide anecdotal evidence of their grandpas grow techniques and how what they know is correct, and what you know is wrong. 😂😂😂 it never fails! Look up any “gardening” video and peep the comments 😂 people are ego maniacs
@@justemusicme the problem is there are crazy fans going around now that basically destroy your ability to grow food. You really need to apply some logic. It's simple. If you cut the part of the plant off that grows the fruit then you don't grow much fruit.
I have trellis to trellis, so I can make that same thing, like 5 overhead lines. I just can't get the pruning right, so trying this same idea. First video that seems to back my current situation.
And this is exactly why I don't grow indeterminate tomatoes but to all that do enjoy. Dwarf determinant tomato plants equals non staking and pruning..❤️👍
A LOT of people told me when i first started growing tomatoes that pruning the suckers would make the plant push out more fruit as it has more energy. It's a common misconception.
@@deathbloom27 on average they will be bigger but it will depend on the variety. That's why comparing numbers is misleading. The more apt comparison would be pounds of tomato per plant
@@deathbloom27 I think the biggest misconception is that pruning is for more fruit. I just prune heavy for airflow and reduced disease issues. Which yes, does increase fruit production if you’re comparing to a dead plant. 🤷🏻♀️
Most commercial cultivars cut suckers. The tomatoes produced will be bigger. But also since they cram many plants in space it helps air circulation and limits disease
Every year I buy a bunch of seeds or re seed ones from last year..i never know what the hell they are..and I'm lucky to get a handfull of tomatoes from each plant, cuz i'm one lazy gardener
PSA: TOMATOES WILL NEVER NEED A STAKE OR TRELLACE IF YOU INTERWEVE THEM! you will lose a little efficiency as they won't be as spaced out and harvesting is a little harder but its worth it imo. I never stake my tomatoes, i just grow them close to each other and "tie" their branches together (i twist them together and let the leaf nodes hold them in place)
You can take every one of those suckers and put a little rootinghormone on them and put them in a semi shaded area and have new tomato plants that will grow and produce Tomatoes after the main plant are already dying out.
They have actually done a experiment on this apparently and have figured out that anymore the 2 main stems starts actually decreasing the yield or just not having a improvement on yield at all. So most people do 2 main stems fro large yields. 3 would be cool to try but 4 might be overkill.
Don't, make a tomato basket, I grow several varieties and over 200 tomato plants...... Baskets made from fence rolls are the best support and less work
Do another experiment. Prune the suckers and plant them in their own space on a trellis I'm guessing over 100 tomatoes per plant. May be ten or more suckers...
Might I recommend you add two braces to each side to keep that top sill from tilting forward or backward due to the added weight you are giving the set up.
I don't know if you guys over there read these comments or not. The piece of wood at the top of the trellises a good idea and all but it's not stable and doesn't have enough strength to keep up an actual indeterminate species of a heavy stem variety tomato.. I've been experimenting in my own garden with homemade drip feeders so on and so forth including some new type of trellises. Basically you just want to go ahead and add two of those cross beams to your trellises for your boxes or your above-ground planters. Then what you do is you take and wire both of the squares at the top together basically running 426 strands of wire across.. Then you run your strings for your trellises off of the main Beam for your mother plant and connect all of your sucker strings to the wires that are connecting in the center of your grow box. Therefore taking and pulling all of your suckers to the inside of your grow box giving your fruit shade. While the actual vegetation receives all of the sunlight. Your Tomatoes will grow bigger with more fruit and when they're ready to be harvested they sit longer on the table in regular temperatures that are not exceeding 84°... and if you harvest them slightly green to light orange or pink before actually reaching their full ripeness near the vine you can actually get more flushes from your tomato plant that way because once the tomato plant reaches maturity with any of the tomatoes just like a cucumber it will start going dormant and die off as it's known that it's fruit has reached maturity to cycle on the plant and it changes the chemical output of the plant causing the plant to go back into dormant state. So just like cucumbers do not let them completely mature on the vine or it will kill your plant or put it to sleep for the winter before the winter even happens lol😅😅😅😅❤❤❤❤❤
We just cut 4 branches that are thin (not too thin tho) and stick them in a square formation (and plant the tomato where the branch is). And you just tie the 4 branches together at the top (like a tent we all made as kids). It doesn't cost much if you have a forest somewhere near you can where you can find young acacia wood (they are thin and can be cut with a hand saw). We mostly use them because they grow like weed here
I have heard of 2 ideas: 1) provide a bird bath or other source of water, sometimes they're just eating the tomatoes cus they're thirsty 2) paint red rocks and have them scattered about BEFORE your tomatoes are fruiting. The birds supposedly are tricked into thinking that the tomatoes are just more rocks. I've heard of people using Christmas ornaments too, and hanging them on the vines. I can't attest to how well they work. But I've never had an issue with birds in my tomato garden, and always provide a water bath. And we have tons of birds around, but also provide feed for them (and lots of pesky grackles, so not just songbirds). So not sure if there is a correlation there or not. Squirrels though... that's another topic!!
So it is the same as removing the sucker and making a new plant. The new plant made the same number of tomatoes as the tomato plant that was not allowed to keep its suckers. So either way you get the same number of tomatoes. In the end it all depends on your preference and the look of the plant. Some would prefer a pretty plant over a productive plant. Give me productivity by any means necessary.
But what about the quality of the tomatoes from suckers? Has anyone tested (and tasted) them to compare? I’d love to grow more but only if they come out good…
My grandfather had a massive garden and I remember one year he grew a tomato plant that was 18ft tall. That same plant produced multiple tomatoes that weighed anywhere from 3-5lbs a piece and and had 1 8lb tomato and a 10lb one. The man then turned them all into an excessive amount of sauce
"excessive amounts of sauce" lmao
@@ottlakafka3409 he would can his own stuff and make sauces all the time. He basically supplied his whole neighborhood with fresh fruits and vegetables. But yeah I remember when he was done that year he had nearly 8 5gallon buckets of sauce that then got sold locally to stores and restaurants.
@Disabled-Megatron they’re probably somewhere in his workshop. He would always keep bags labeled from every year. He grew several other fruits and vegetables and his favorite was his zucchini plants. He actually grew one so large he got a award thing for it and was on the front of the local newspaper.
how did they get so big?
@@gmxhorst no idea, the man’s is magic
Yes those suckers will grow more tomatoes however if you prune all the suckers off, you will less but have BIGGER tomatoes. Hack I learned from a widow woman. 😊
Yes, but in Texas that just means you have more split tomatoes due to the heat. I found a lot more success with smaller tomatoes and often grow only cherry and grape varieties.
I've been taking suckers off and planting em... gives a good fall crop. Had small ones till December
Yeah, I’ll stick pruning suckers
Notice he doesn't say the weight difference either ..but for cherry tomatoes it wouldn't matter
For big tomatoes it would, depending on the size you want..
That being said, if you trim "all" of the "suckers" you're the sucker because you won't get any tomatoes.
You can clone suckers, and if you do it early enough you can end up with multiple plants that give you ripe tomatoes in stages
Where are you growing that you can have a “fall crop” of tomatoes? I only ever get green ones in weather that cool
Yes I did the same. Took off suckers and stuck them in water to grow a couple roots. Then planted them. I had tomatoes well into November
Don't prune any of the suckers on any type of cherry tomatoes
😂 I got lazy( and busy) one year and didn't prune the suckers and had the Mother of all bumper crops of tomatoes. So I stopped creating myself extra work😂 and leave them alone. Texas Tomato Cage them and thin out foliage for good airflow. Done
Who would have thought! If you leave the part of the plant that grows the tomatoes on you'll get more tomatoes!
This fad of cutting everything off of the tomatoes except the top couple of leaves is really crazy.
Were they both the same type of tomato? Looks like the ones you pruned were bigger tomatoes, sort of like beefsteak, and the ones you didn't prune were cherry tomatoes. Cherry tomatoes, even though they're indeterminate, should not be pruned. There is a big difference! Also, I would be interested in knowing the weight of the tomatoes harvested rather than the number because a 110 beefsteak tomatoes are going to weigh more than 330 cherry tomatoes.
You’re exactly right. You get bigger, better tasting tomatoes when pruning
I didn't know you don't prune cherry toms! Can I prune a few just not all? I'm worried my setup won't support it all. Also, I was planning to leave a sucker or two for each of my beefsteak plants. Do you think I'll still get good flavor and texture? This is my first year gardening so I'm learning a lot!
@@allisonkarasch12 You can prune some on the bottom of a cherry tomato to plant it deep for roots and a little bit throughout to make sure it gets enough air, but cherries will produce even on the suckers. For the beefsteak, I would not leave any suckers because they just slow down production of the arms that will produce tomatoes, and pruning the armpit area of suckers provides more air throughout. If the suckers are big enough, you can put them in some water with honey, sugar, or rooting solution to develop roots and then pot them up until you're ready to plant your next round of tomatoes. I know it sounds weird because if they are suckers on one plant, they will not produce tomatoes, but when pruned and potted they can become the primary stem of a tomato plant. It's like getting free plants!
@@cookingsherry8784 thank you so much for the info 🙏🏼 I wish you a great growing season!
@@allisonkarasch12 You're welcome, and best wishes for great success to you as well!
I'm a novice tomato grower, my biggest plant is nearly a foot tall. I was told to remove all the suckers which I've been doing as soon as their sneaky little heads pop through. Thanks for letting me know about this. 🍅🍅🍅
Just make sure they have enough feed and water. Probably better to let the tomato get to around 2/3 ft and in its final spot before you properly let them go.
@@ShamanBuddha Got it, thanks 👍🏼
To be clear, pruning the suckers on indeterminate (vining) LARGE variety tomatoes is appropriate because it takes a long time and a lot of the plant's resources to grow a large tomato. Cherry tomatoes in his example are different. They grow a lot of tomatoes all over the plant. Some suckers will grow and produce tomatoes and others will use up two or three feet of growing energy and produce nothing. You don't trim off all the suckers on a cherry plant if you want to get cherry tomatoes. That said, his trellising solution is really good.
You also don't trim all the suckers on determinate tomato plant. Those are bush tomatoes not vining. Google the variety to find out what you have
You can even plant the sucker's separately in a pot and you'll grow tomatoes as well
Such a Genius idea 🎉 Simple easy and clean 😁 Thanks for sharing 🙏
that comment on suckers just blew my mind. im in the process of experimenting runnin 3 stems on most of mine this yr. i thought they would grow slow but they are 8 ft tall, some are as samll at 6 ft
Absolutely appreciate your experiments! I’m an amateur garden, I question almost everything I do but I often look back at your videos to see I’m on the right track
cut a cattle panel to the size of the trellis and let the tomatoes grow up that you can use the string to tie vines that stick out and it fare less work then stringing the vine to individual strings and picking the suckers that grow besides the 4 strings
What I do is to simply plant my tomatoes in the sunny side of my elderberries. The elderberries provide the strong support and fruit on their own with no issues. The tomatoes happily obliged. Nothing to build. At the end of the season, I cut the elderberries all the way down to the soil level as I am supposed to and the next season, repeat all over again. These are American elderberries. European elderberries have a different pruning requirement.
You can let the sucker get some leangth, place in water till roots grow, then cut and plant.
It is also possible to bury a section of the vine, then when roots grow, cut to make a new planet
Good information.
Thank You!
What a great and wonderful explanation and useful post thank you so much 🌷🌹🤲🏽
I used the back stairs of my house to train up my tomatoes.
They grew some 30 feet - from the first floor to the 3rd floor.
Although they didn't receive any direct sunlight I still had several dozen large juicy tomatoes.
The planter they grew in was also where my husband has been emptying my daily coffee grounds, egg shells, banana and fire place ashes....
I put the plants under the stairs and out of the sunlight because my family prefers green tomatoes over red ones, yet we still had plenty of red tomatoes thanks to the fireplace ashes...
( my sons love fried green tomatoes and green tomato chutney 😊
I feel removing suckers from tomatoes is the biggest scam told to mankind 😢😢😢
What do you secure the strings to at the base?
I’m glad you did this experiment because I don’t prune (suckers) and my tomatoes do very well. People cutting everything end up with skeletons for tomato vines. I’m like who keeps this information going because it’s wrong. I get loads of fruit from a healthy plant
Do you grow determinate or indeterminate tomatoes? That makes all the difference. The only indeterminate tomato that does not need too much pruning is the cherry tomato.
@@cookingsherry8784 no this is a crazy fad.
Think about it.
You're cutting off the part of the plant that grows the fruit.
How will that help you grow more?
My father my grandparents I myself have grown all sorts of tomatoes for decades.
If you cut the part of the plant off that grows the fruit you will not get fruit. It's simple. This is a bizarre fad.
Neat! I miss being able to garden.
What is stopping you? I'd love to help get you back to it
@@Omni11B me too, that is, chat about how you might get back to it if you like…there are so many ways!
Yeeees! Thank you! I have 2 suckers I left, and now that they're almost my height, they need help! Super easy, and solves the problem I ran into, JUST IN TIME! THANKS!!! 🎉
Black Diamond huh? My man is not only a gardener, he also a Mountain goat.
Brilliant idea. I like it.🇿🇦
Love your experiments .. Your vidros are gold ❤
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching :)
Love this!
I just live this thanks so much
Screen of green get some grid or old fence tilt the trellis 15 to 30 degrees. Flatten out the growing plant prune any shaded under growth leaves
Thanks for sharing this…! 😃😃👍🏼‼️
You should give a try to letting the tomato plant grow on the ground like a squash.
I tried it one year and the only plant I didn't stake produced more tomatoes and was healthier.
Brilliant! Simple fix, I like
You should try Florida weaving them in between to help with support but if you don’t need it it’s all good. thank you for all the information!
I like this idea. May try something similar soon!
Needed the end result to make it go from a good video to a great video.
I always cut suckers because they can kill the main stem. However, I let them get 4” or so first, then cut them cleanly and root them to propagate additional plants.
Never seen a sucker kill a well fed plant
@@Omni11B Me either. I leave lots of suckers on mine.
I do the same. More plants, more 'maters 🍅
@@jessicaheger1880 😁You must be from the South.
This is patently false
Pretty smart!
❤️💜💚
Amaaaaaaazing.. Loved the way you explained soo nicely that made sense. Perfect
A good idea I'll try it out
Can’t wait to see it
Lots of info to a short vid. Thanks
I was wandering this comparison, thanks for sharing it.
I love this soooo much!
I had tomato plants that were taller than the house and did U bend back down. First time i ever made my own tomato sauce, loved it.
I need to get my brother to help me make a tomato trellis like that. Planted a bunch of tomato plants without a trellis, forgot how much they grow since we've had a few bad years in a row, and ended up with a jungle.
Awesome, keep us posted❤
Are we finally circling back to the superiority of the tomato cage, then?
Nope-- a cage will crowd the tomato plant too much when it's growing that many main stems. Uber-productive tomato plants will start having problems with too much moisture on the leaves and make them susceptible to insects.
I worked at a greenhouse, and my boss and his father (the previous owner) had a competition every year where they would see who could grow a better tomato plant. My boss would buy the newest seeds of a Tomato called Tomato X, which produced super juicy purple tomatoes and he used this technique :)
I grew two Everglades tomatoes once. One i pruned. It was hard work, i got some tomatoes. One i let go crazy. It was no work and had really 10x the tomatoes.
Woot! Thank you for sharing :)
Following for the update
Genius mate. Defo trying this year. Thank bud!
This will be great for pole beans as well!
I planted cherry tomatoes and did exactly the same I plucked bottom suckers but left the top suckers. And let Me tell you I reviewed insane amount of fruits. Alhamdulilah.
Pruning is for the bigger tomatoes
No, that’s just not true
For the bigger indeterminates, true! Cherry tomatoes, although indeterminate, should only be pruned for air if they get too bushy.
I love gardening videos because you get to see everyone disagree with each other in the comments as they provide anecdotal evidence of their grandpas grow techniques and how what they know is correct, and what you know is wrong. 😂😂😂 it never fails! Look up any “gardening” video and peep the comments 😂 people are ego maniacs
@@justemusicmeit's always their grandpa's 😅. Wala kayo sa lolo ko.
@@justemusicme the problem is there are crazy fans going around now that basically destroy your ability to grow food. You really need to apply some logic.
It's simple.
If you cut the part of the plant off that grows the fruit then you don't grow much fruit.
Good idea Mind and Soul
Pretty cool
NICE!!!
Awesome!❤
Did you weight the total output also?
I usually let smaller plants sucker some, but larger tomatoes I want to concentrate the energy
I was also curious about the total mass of the harvest with sucker plants compared to the mass if the plants with suckered removed.
That’s an amazing idea
I'm interested in seeing this play out
So smart!!!👌👌👌
I have trellis to trellis, so I can make that same thing, like 5 overhead lines. I just can't get the pruning right, so trying this same idea. First video that seems to back my current situation.
Love it ❤
Ten squares of concrete re-wire make a nice round cage about six feet tall. Just train them inside and around it. No construction projects necessary.
I was JUST thinking about doing this to mine about 30 minutes ago!
Nice structure!
It would also be interesting to see total weight produced for both plants
Yes! I totally agree ! Thanks for watching :)
Would like to see the way the strings are connected to the plant.
Suckers can go into bottle of water and root after a couple weeks, becoming an easy clone.
That’s a good idea.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
Love it
NICE! I am glad you did the weight thing. It proved what i have been saying for years.
And this is exactly why I don't grow indeterminate tomatoes but to all that do enjoy. Dwarf determinant tomato plants equals non staking and pruning..❤️👍
I pruned the things that grow tomatoes, and whaddya friggin' know, I got less tomatoes!!
A LOT of people told me when i first started growing tomatoes that pruning the suckers would make the plant push out more fruit as it has more energy. It's a common misconception.
@@deathbloom27 on average they will be bigger but it will depend on the variety. That's why comparing numbers is misleading. The more apt comparison would be pounds of tomato per plant
@@deathbloom27 I think the biggest misconception is that pruning is for more fruit. I just prune heavy for airflow and reduced disease issues. Which yes, does increase fruit production if you’re comparing to a dead plant. 🤷🏻♀️
Most commercial cultivars cut suckers. The tomatoes produced will be bigger. But also since they cram many plants in space it helps air circulation and limits disease
Yes but what was the weight of the tomatoes.
Just like with fruit trees you can thin or not.
Every year I buy a bunch of seeds or re seed ones from last year..i never know what the hell they are..and I'm lucky to get a handfull of tomatoes from each plant, cuz i'm one lazy gardener
PSA: TOMATOES WILL NEVER NEED A STAKE OR TRELLACE IF YOU INTERWEVE THEM! you will lose a little efficiency as they won't be as spaced out and harvesting is a little harder but its worth it imo. I never stake my tomatoes, i just grow them close to each other and "tie" their branches together (i twist them together and let the leaf nodes hold them in place)
You can take every one of those suckers and put a little rootinghormone on them and put them in a semi shaded area and have new tomato plants that will grow and produce Tomatoes after the main plant are already dying out.
If we could make a tree that grows tomatoes 🍅 that would be the best thing ever
They have actually done a experiment on this apparently and have figured out that anymore the 2 main stems starts actually decreasing the yield or just not having a improvement on yield at all. So most people do 2 main stems fro large yields. 3 would be cool to try but 4 might be overkill.
Nope. It's a fad.
Genius, I'm trying this!
Don't, make a tomato basket, I grow several varieties and over 200 tomato plants......
Baskets made from fence rolls are the best support and less work
is the same true for determinate tomatoes? I have always pruned the suckers...might have to try this myself next year as an experiment
the suckers can be planted in direct sunlight and you got a whole new plant
Interesting experiment. Always taught to trim suckers. Did you see a difference in the quality in the sucker free tomatoes? Larger, redder?
I used a trellis for the first time this year without doing any research (it was a gift) and I don't think I'll ever go back!
Very cool. What do you use for string?
Do another experiment. Prune the suckers and plant them in their own space on a trellis I'm guessing over 100 tomatoes per plant. May be ten or more suckers...
Might I recommend you add two braces to each side to keep that top sill from tilting forward or backward due to the added weight you are giving the set up.
I don't know if you guys over there read these comments or not. The piece of wood at the top of the trellises a good idea and all but it's not stable and doesn't have enough strength to keep up an actual indeterminate species of a heavy stem variety tomato..
I've been experimenting in my own garden with homemade drip feeders so on and so forth including some new type of trellises.
Basically you just want to go ahead and add two of those cross beams to your trellises for your boxes or your above-ground planters. Then what you do is you take and wire both of the squares at the top together basically running 426 strands of wire across..
Then you run your strings for your trellises off of the main Beam for your mother plant and connect all of your sucker strings to the wires that are connecting in the center of your grow box. Therefore taking and pulling all of your suckers to the inside of your grow box giving your fruit shade. While the actual vegetation receives all of the sunlight. Your Tomatoes will grow bigger with more fruit and when they're ready to be harvested they sit longer on the table in regular temperatures that are not exceeding 84°... and if you harvest them slightly green to light orange or pink before actually reaching their full ripeness near the vine you can actually get more flushes from your tomato plant that way because once the tomato plant reaches maturity with any of the tomatoes just like a cucumber it will start going dormant and die off as it's known that it's fruit has reached maturity to cycle on the plant and it changes the chemical output of the plant causing the plant to go back into dormant state. So just like cucumbers do not let them completely mature on the vine or it will kill your plant or put it to sleep for the winter before the winter even happens lol😅😅😅😅❤❤❤❤❤
426?
Was there any difference between quality, taste and size in your tomato experiment?
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Glad you enjoy it :) Thanks for watching!
We just cut 4 branches that are thin (not too thin tho) and stick them in a square formation (and plant the tomato where the branch is). And you just tie the 4 branches together at the top (like a tent we all made as kids).
It doesn't cost much if you have a forest somewhere near you can where you can find young acacia wood (they are thin and can be cut with a hand saw). We mostly use them because they grow like weed here
Can you let it naturally adjust upwards by using a pulley and counterweight?
How exactly do you deal with birds eating your tomatoes?
I have heard of 2 ideas:
1) provide a bird bath or other source of water, sometimes they're just eating the tomatoes cus they're thirsty
2) paint red rocks and have them scattered about BEFORE your tomatoes are fruiting. The birds supposedly are tricked into thinking that the tomatoes are just more rocks. I've heard of people using Christmas ornaments too, and hanging them on the vines.
I can't attest to how well they work. But I've never had an issue with birds in my tomato garden, and always provide a water bath. And we have tons of birds around, but also provide feed for them (and lots of pesky grackles, so not just songbirds). So not sure if there is a correlation there or not. Squirrels though... that's another topic!!
So it is the same as removing the sucker and making a new plant. The new plant made the same number of tomatoes as the tomato plant that was not allowed to keep its suckers. So either way you get the same number of tomatoes. In the end it all depends on your preference and the look of the plant. Some would prefer a pretty plant over a productive plant. Give me productivity by any means necessary.
If you want bigger tomatoes prune flower buds back to 3 or 4
How many suckers should you leave? Is 3 the magic number?
what do you anchor the center line to at the ground?
But what about the quality of the tomatoes from suckers? Has anyone tested (and tasted) them to compare? I’d love to grow more but only if they come out good…
I went away for a week and my tomato plants have gone insane. I don't even know where to start trimming them anymore
Does the higher yield decrease the quality or take longer?
You grow indeterminate until they’re 3ft high, then lay that horizontally and cover that stem every 12” with soil. Trellis won’t need to be as high