Hi! I’m an aggressive quad skater. I’ve been in the parks about 4 years and the streets about 2 years. I want to start off by saying that a very large majority of our community doesn’t support this “zine”. Yea sure Tony hawk is there, but you’re absolutely right it’s a money grab. I’ve heard that Tony is an angel investor in Fantom’s parent company, Lazo; many of us don’t support Lazo either. I always thought how ironic it was that Fantom works with Dave Carnie, who perpetuated homophobia and violence towards the aggressive inline community, meanwhile the faces of Flazo (Fantom/Lazo) have derived MOST of their tricks from aggressive blading. Hell even some of those quad skaters have dated or are currently dating other aggressive bladers. The release of this “zine” has fractured the aggressive quad scene into two. Those who support Flazo, and those who don’t. I’m embarrassed to be “represented” by homophobic quad skaters and skateboarder bros who are only interested in sucking every last dime out of our community.
A lot of rollerskaters in Montreal openly disowned the mag with Its association with Dave Carnie's homophobic past, elitism, punching down, etc. Both blading and quad scenes here are growing stronger together. I don't see any distancing, quite the opposite. There's tons of collabs, events and sessions with both communities. One thing that's positive about the quad community here is that they DO NOT tolerate discrimination of any kind... whatever they tried to do with the mag backfired hard 😬
As a quad Skater from Europe - I fully agree with your comment 110%. Only the Ppl involved in fantom seemed to like their own ideas regarding the choices they took with the magazine - everyone else from the community really disliked what they did - not only the Tony hawk part. Also I'd like to add that the quad community is indeed slowly stepping away from the blade trick names but not to then replace them with Skateboarding trick names but rather to reclaim the OG names from the quad Skaters of the 80s and 90s - most of our tricks already had names since that time. Like "makio" was used to be called an axle stall / grind back then - we adapted Maiko for some reason (tbh I don't know I'm still in the process of learning more about this topic) . Obviously language evolves continuesly and is always changing - another one would be box grind instead of kind grind - These are just examples but there are more OG quad trick names that are slowly sneaking their way back into the language. I really wished you guys would have invited someone to the podcast who'd speak for the community instead of these speculations 😅
It’s also really interesting how in the past,Tony Hawk talked about being discriminated against and made fun of by jocks for skateboarding in its infancy yet continues to help perpetuate this rollerblading stigma.
as a rollerskater from the east coast who read that article…I dont care about tony hawks opinion at all and that whole magazine needs to get shelved. i also believe that photo of tony is photoshopped 👍
I agree it could definitely be photoshopped to gain some interest. And even if it’s not and real it’s a way to catch someone since Tony H on blades is crazy to see
Don’t you think it’s odd to have CK criticize discrimination when he himself has endorsed Nick Danchuk, an open sexist, homophobe and anti-semite? Bacemint has never pushed diversity, if anything the Kelsos were notoriously divisive on Be-Mag.
@@joe_ferreira They’re not the same, but they’re very close in terms of friendship and endorsement. Nick Danchuk posted about such things as “rampant anti-white sentiments”, you think something like that never came up in their many years of hanging out? CK still chose to promote him and certainly hasn’t condemned anything he’s said.
@@michaelobrien6221 I understand Nick is a p.o.s. but CK is not guilty by association. It doesn't mean he has the same opinions just because they are friends. We all have friends that we disagree with, But we are still friends. And don't give this Internet arm chair quarterback b.s. that you aren't friends with people like that. We all have friends that are less than ideal.
I started of as a skateboarder and boarded for about 5-6 yrs. Got introduced to blading and when I transferred over on day 3 I did a mizou first T down a hubba. Yes it's major difference but I do believe the balance in skateboarding and grinding on boards helped 10fold when it came to grinding on blades. For someone who always enjoyed grinding overall rather then gaps and stairs. I came Into blading for the amount of grinds and the length of grinds you can do that you seriously can't do on a skateboard I love blading and don't miss skateboarding at all. Respect to the both ofc
Tony Hawk, to me, always SEEMED to be above all that Blader Hater BS. He should have shut the interviewer down and said "We ARE cool with rollerbladers". Pretty sad that they're still out there perpetuating negative stereotypes after all these years.
I think your pretty spot on: it reads just like provocative advertising and trying to cash in. Establishing a little controversy and pushing group cohesion with a projected outside opponent. Thus said we have given these old men already to much space.
Definitely should get Ragnaroll or Aliskates on the podcast to talk about this, would be really interesting and beneficial for rollerbladers and roller skates
Ragnaroll for sure! He is also more aware and educated on the trick names - he's did an amazing interview for the dog days magazine and explained the origin of Rollerskate trick names and the whole history!
Thank you guys for talking about this! Feels like they’re just perpetuating the internalized homophobia of the old head skateboarders from back in the day, thought we were all just having fun on wheels here lol. Why set that question up for Tony? So weird
It comes down to the simple fact that rollerblading came AFTER skateboarding then proceeded to supersede them in popularity in the 90’s. They can’t admit they’re wrong how they treated the community and no other sport treated the spinoff as poorly as they did. People hate to admit they were wrong.
I find it weird that the only people trying to keep this animosity between bladers and skateboarders are all 35+, I do aggressive inline and I get a lot of love from the local skateboarders. Seems like it’s just odd to rehash a topic based around senseless hate.
Peace Austin, Billy, and Colin. Always refreshing to hear and see Colin on the podcast. He provides a very pronounced and informed perspective on blading. From NYC with love & respect
CK was extreme divisive on Be-Mag. It’s surprising to hear him criticize discrimination when he endorses Nick Danchuk, an openly sexist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic skater.
I think having Barbie beat montre in a competition was also an undermining/moving away from rollerblading. Because whatever he does he’ll be the best at it. Feels overly disrespectful. And tbh calling step ons ollies is super weird. Let them be fake skateboarders fek it
roller skates came from the old inlines that were trying to mimik iceskates, they were too hard to balance because of no ankle support, so they put the wheels to the side,, thus quads came
Colin nails it around 15:30. They want to get in on a growing market by drumming up a supposed innate link between quads and skate-boards because quad riders are predominantly women and not a “threat” to the young male demographic.
I skateboarded from the mid 80's until the mid 90's where I transitioned to blading because it was fairly new and different (a new challenge) I am now trying to relearn both after 25 years away. I can not believe this argument still exists.
I really can't believe this, all I've wanted to see was Rocket power level Unity in the action / Xtreme sports community 🙁 I want to see kids practicing multiple different Disciplines, I want to see Bike boards blades Scooters and Quads all pumping each other up and cheering each other on, pushing each other to try new tricks and influencing each other in new ways that you maybe couldn't get from someone in your Discipline. Chris Edwards used to skate Mike McGills Ramp and thats how he learned how to McTwist To Have Try to claim the Quad community, for what ever reason, and to continue to boundary him self and skateboarding (and quad i suppose) from blading is shitty, and really only aims to divide.
People tend to forget that boarders and quads shared a competition circuit back in the day. They always gone hand in hand. When Tony said we can’t grind…. That kinda hit a spot of anger though 😂
Tony has spoke in the past about rollerblading supporting him and paying him to perform at events at one point in the past. He’s normally quite civil about blading, odd that he could be so easily prodded to chat sh*t.
Thanks for this content guys! Always great to hear your perspectives on things. The irony of Dave Carnie and Tony Hawk getting behind Fantom is rich. Both would have aggressively mocked quad-skating in the past. Personally, I think Carnie needs to be stopped before he brainwashes another generation of kids into hating another group of people through bigoted rational. You can hear them trying to figure out new ways to justify hating rollerblading with the "trucks" thing. So lame. Carnie always viewed himself as a provocateur and shaper of culture, but his brand of edgy shock-jock nihilism went out of fashion in the 90s. He's obviously not reformed, just glomming onto a new trend to try to be relevant again and push his bigoted agenda. Arlo lost the plot when he tried to align rollerblading with Carnie. I hope quad skaters can continue to embrace inclusivity and not fall for an us-vs-them mentality.
Love this conversation guys. I am glad you discussed this Fantom article as it relates to Big Brother. I have a lot of Rollerskater friends and it’s sometimes hard to express why I have a problem with this Tony Hawk article and how this has all gone down.
Yeah its hard to dislike Hawk he is rooted in Extreme sports history From his dad Frank Hawk Heading the NSA and The Bones Brigade Birdhouse, Pro skater and under ground, Gigantic skate park tour, boom huck jam, his skate park foundation, hell i have a local park that Frank Hawk Designed. He's done so much for Xtreme sports, but thats why its sucks so much to hear him publicly speak like this about us, because i am a blader, i grew up rollerblading not skateboarding.
We need to just embrace the fact that rollerblading won’t be mainstream. it sounds cooler when I say it, but this is what it feels like: Shots for no reason, using rollerblading as an insult, etc. there will come a time when this behavior is seen for what it is. For now, we have to continue doing what we love and being true to ourselves, having fun the way we want to; regardless of what people say or think, that’s what it’s always been about, always will be about.
Has Tony hawk every done a 900 without touching? I see the 10 year old Korean girl lacing it but idk… I don’t think he ever technically landed it lol. It’s rules to this shit Tony
As someone who loves all kinds of skating (I blade, roller skate, and skateboard) I feel like Hawk is stuck in a bit of a stigma about blading and maybe that is why he questions his respect. I think you guys may have missed that he said that the skateboard trucks came from rollerskates, and back in the day when skate parks were first being made they were named "skate parks" because they were referencing roller skates and skateboards. I say this because there is a history there before this new wave of park quad skaters. Skateboarders also generally look at rollerskates as two separate skateboards which is maybe why they relate more to them and take more inspiration from them, even back in the 70’s/80’s. Dave Carnie seems to have set that question up for attention, great marketing but I’m not sure if it runs very deep or if there is a financial motive. Inline skating is still more profitable than quads, but park roller-skating did go under hibernation during the rise of aggressive inline skates. I also don’t believe any skating is “easier” they’re all a different feeling and it feels like park roller skaters are trying to find their own cultural identity. I just hope that in the eventual sense, all wheels will have respect wherever the hell they want to be. Peace and love!
I'm really amazed that something like that, trashing a discipline/community, can be "acceptable" in 2024 (it wasnt 20years ago, but happened). A massive run on socila media should ruin people acting like that (even more, organizing it). Rollerblading, as a culture and as a business, suffered a lot from the beginning because of such idiots
Have a funny story for you. I'm into Roller Derby a lot. Besides it is being a really awesome sport it is also well known to be really inclusive. The story is, that I started my training as a future derby referee, however I'll plan to do refing on blades. (Aeon 80s to be exact) They really need refs, so I got permission to do so and there are also other blading refs, but i already recieved a fair warning: Prepare, that you will be mocked a lot. The only response I could give, I was always mocked on blades, can't imagine it to be anything worse. Also how would they mock me in Derby? It is going to be so much fun.
Great podcast! Blading has proven itself for decades now. And hate or punk rock isnt “cool” like it was in the 90’s Dave Carnie and Tony Hawk are making themselves just look out of touch and even more irrelevant in their attempt to create a bond between mainstream skateboarding and rollerskating by talking down on blading.
Correct, the skateboard was born via rollerskates. But skateboards were not 2nd, they were third. Inline skates existed before rollerskates did. It's just most people back then were not very agile, so something more stable and easier needed to be made. Which brought about trucks and rollerskates because inline skates were too hard. There's some irony in there somewhere
18:05 I think his motive is that he’s a hateful person. Imagine all the other people in his life he uses his writing talent to pick apart. Eventually, it will be a huge stain on his legacy, and probably the community as a whole
Chris Edwards used to skate Mike Mc Gills Ramp and that`s how he learned how to McTwist . Quads was huge in 70`s... But Rollerblading was huge and massive! I`m sure that rollerblading was almost wipe out from mass media.. If you become "Big" you bother others! Its not only in this sports...
I am a quad skater (although I also rollerblade and skateboard too) but I can confidently say that: we could really care less about Tony Hawk’s or really any old school skateboarder’s opinions about quad skating- it’s irrelevant. As addressed, Dave Carnie is a misogynistic homophobe and it seems like any interview (or project) he steers is bound to crash and burn somewhere. Honestly, there is so much wrong with this new magazine and this episode was only scraping the surface with this one article. The other articles are debatably more damaging to quad skating, and with that ripples to effect the dynamic of skateparks and other action sports too. Overall I think this episode would have benefited including a quad skater to understand our perspective on a lot of these issues since it directly involves us. Maybe next time this is something to consider? Anyway, thank you for bringing up this discussion on your podcast.
I think that dude who were from Big brother tryes to keep him relavate. Time has moven on from that skateboard vs. bladers beef. I had reminisced and laughed with skateboarders. 🎉
CK raised an interesting point about skateboarding having a financial interest in rollerskating. But what if its actually the other way around - we all know rollerskating would would benefit from skateboaring’s funding and promo and they know they aren’t gonna get all that from blading cuz its a much smaller industry now. Makes you think! Or it could be a mutual thing. I think rollerskaters in general have more affinity with blading than they would like these old anti-blade skateboarders tonące believe. Also Tony Hawk could take an L for this 🤣🤣
i would also like to remind everyone that not a single blader was involved in the filming of the Lazo video. i have in good authority that a major figure in that video said mike torres wasn’t good enough 🫢 which is obviously wrong so there’s definitely a division opening up for one reason or another.
Everybody wants their share of the pie 🤑🤑🤑 Back in the early days Germany's/Europe's biggest SB-Mailorder (Titus) used to have their own inline wheel brand as well. Not for too long though..
As a skateboarder back in the day. I think we looked down on inline skating on parks because tricks didn't look nearly as hard or good as with a skateboard. We though "What's the point?" or "That is cheating". I think the market trying to put inline skating on par with skateboarding hurt inline skating. I don't blame them either, aggressive skating was legit for inline skaters and it was evolving fast. It wasn't until I got myself into inline skates (no ramps, more wizard and figure) when I fully understood how cool and technically demanding the discipline is.
i think they just wana be petty and take shots cause skateboarding is on a decline.....but i mean we can all be petty and just say SKATEBOARDERS are NOT SKATERS.......skaters was derived from Figure Skaters...soo...lets be petty lol ...this why i keep a 90s mindset..... as far as parks go... simple fix....start companies that build parks specific for Bladers and quads ,Down to details round rails only , different transitions, etc... seems to me in a broad view...they want the division...more then even now...
If rollerskating exploded like blading did back in the 90's this would be a totally different conversation. Rollerskating just isn't big enough to be a threat
Dave and Tony should have retired 10 years ago. Im tired of caring what old dudes think or say about rollerblading. If you are in a postition in the rollerblading community to highlight a skater under 30 (under 21 is even better), please do so. Pro skates should be for the next generation. Start more skate camps. Time to let go of the gates.
i don’t think this was some elaborate plot big-skateboard thought up to thwart rollerbladers, i don’t think they think of us rollerbladers at all. i think a guy who runs alt-sports related media publications would see the hole in the market for roller skate publications/outlets and decided to tap in. we as a inline community really need to stop putting so much emotion and thought into every roller/inline skate we spot in a piece of media. ie the whole “barbie saved rollerblading” era.
@@DRUNKBEATZ lol how old are you? My guess is not much younger than me. I’m 38 far from being a boomer. I’m gonna guess 31? Also drunkbeatz? Is that what your dad did to you? lol relax it’s just the truth of their community.
I love rollerblading, but the discussion about which is more difficult, come on guys.... The skill ceiling in skateboarding is higher, there is literally no discussion. And that's completely fine.
@@4everhumbl36 Nothing subjective about it. Subjective is what you think is more fun or what looks cooler. There is more that you can do on a skateboard, period.
This stuff is in the same lane as Conor McGregor fighting Floyd Mayweather. This discussion is like trying to convince a metal head that hip hop is better. Curry is better than pizza. Spaghetti is better than ramen noodles. Rollerblading has the all the flavour. 🤤
@@thegreatbarrerquief7473 It really isn't. it's not about what you think is "better", that's subjective. Again, I love rollerblading, I do it myself. But I really don't understand how people even can argue about which of the 2 is harder.
Tony Hawk was part of an "anti-graffiti" movement in the 90's, flash forward a few years and his video games are FILLED with graffiti... follow the money.. Regardless, F☠️CK THEM ALL, WE ARE UNIQUE! 🔪🔪🔪🔪🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸
Hi! I’m an aggressive quad skater. I’ve been in the parks about 4 years and the streets about 2 years.
I want to start off by saying that a very large majority of our community doesn’t support this “zine”. Yea sure Tony hawk is there, but you’re absolutely right it’s a money grab. I’ve heard that Tony is an angel investor in Fantom’s parent company, Lazo; many of us don’t support Lazo either.
I always thought how ironic it was that Fantom works with Dave Carnie, who perpetuated homophobia and violence towards the aggressive inline community, meanwhile the faces of Flazo (Fantom/Lazo) have derived MOST of their tricks from aggressive blading. Hell even some of those quad skaters have dated or are currently dating other aggressive bladers.
The release of this “zine” has fractured the aggressive quad scene into two. Those who support Flazo, and those who don’t. I’m embarrassed to be “represented” by homophobic quad skaters and skateboarder bros who are only interested in sucking every last dime out of our community.
As a quad skater as well I couldn’t have said this better. ^^^
Someone once said "fantom and lazo are the mean girls of the Rollerskate community" and I feel that so hard!
A lot of rollerskaters in Montreal openly disowned the mag with Its association with Dave Carnie's homophobic past, elitism, punching down, etc. Both blading and quad scenes here are growing stronger together. I don't see any distancing, quite the opposite. There's tons of collabs, events and sessions with both communities. One thing that's positive about the quad community here is that they DO NOT tolerate discrimination of any kind... whatever they tried to do with the mag backfired hard 😬
That’s awesome to hear about the Montreal scene.
Just dropping in to say, the MTL scene is absolutely incredible and a great representation of what both our communities can achieve together. Bravo !
As a quad Skater from Europe - I fully agree with your comment 110%. Only the Ppl involved in fantom seemed to like their own ideas regarding the choices they took with the magazine - everyone else from the community really disliked what they did - not only the Tony hawk part. Also I'd like to add that the quad community is indeed slowly stepping away from the blade trick names but not to then replace them with Skateboarding trick names but rather to reclaim the OG names from the quad Skaters of the 80s and 90s - most of our tricks already had names since that time. Like "makio" was used to be called an axle stall / grind back then - we adapted Maiko for some reason (tbh I don't know I'm still in the process of learning more about this topic) . Obviously language evolves continuesly and is always changing - another one would be box grind instead of kind grind - These are just examples but there are more OG quad trick names that are slowly sneaking their way back into the language. I really wished you guys would have invited someone to the podcast who'd speak for the community instead of these speculations 😅
Just so everyone knows - Dave Carnie is no longer involved in Fantom Mag!
It’s also really interesting how in the past,Tony Hawk talked about being discriminated against and made fun of by jocks for skateboarding in its infancy yet continues to help perpetuate this rollerblading stigma.
as a rollerskater from the east coast who read that article…I dont care about tony hawks opinion at all and that whole magazine needs to get shelved.
i also believe that photo of tony is photoshopped 👍
I agree it could definitely be photoshopped to gain some interest. And even if it’s not and real it’s a way to catch someone since Tony H on blades is crazy to see
Grateful to be a part of a community with such thoughtful leaders.
Well said
Don’t you think it’s odd to have CK criticize discrimination when he himself has endorsed Nick Danchuk, an open sexist, homophobe and anti-semite? Bacemint has never pushed diversity, if anything the Kelsos were notoriously divisive on Be-Mag.
@@michaelobrien6221just because he endorsed Nick doesn't mean they are both the same. That's a bit of a stretch.
@@joe_ferreira They’re not the same, but they’re very close in terms of friendship and endorsement. Nick Danchuk posted about such things as “rampant anti-white sentiments”, you think something like that never came up in their many years of hanging out? CK still chose to promote him and certainly hasn’t condemned anything he’s said.
@@michaelobrien6221 I understand Nick is a p.o.s. but CK is not guilty by association. It doesn't mean he has the same opinions just because they are friends. We all have friends that we disagree with, But we are still friends. And don't give this Internet arm chair quarterback b.s. that you aren't friends with people like that. We all have friends that are less than ideal.
I started of as a skateboarder and boarded for about 5-6 yrs. Got introduced to blading and when I transferred over on day 3 I did a mizou first T down a hubba. Yes it's major difference but I do believe the balance in skateboarding and grinding on boards helped 10fold when it came to grinding on blades. For someone who always enjoyed grinding overall rather then gaps and stairs. I came Into blading for the amount of grinds and the length of grinds you can do that you seriously can't do on a skateboard
I love blading and don't miss skateboarding at all. Respect to the both ofc
Rollerskating is thirst trap for skateboarders and an easy way for them to “seem” inclusive but they just want to cash in and fvck.
Rollerblading is UNSTOPPABLE, and that’s punk rock!
I'm confused how Arlo speaks highly of someone who sabotaged rollerblading and used him to do it....
i got questions for arlo about this lbvs
Also remember this magazine is run by skateboarders. They also hide behind anonymously authors.
I didn’t know those knuckle draggers could write 😂
Tony Hawk, to me, always SEEMED to be above all that Blader Hater BS. He should have shut the interviewer down and said "We ARE cool with rollerbladers". Pretty sad that they're still out there perpetuating negative stereotypes after all these years.
I think your pretty spot on: it reads just like provocative advertising and trying to cash in. Establishing a little controversy and pushing group cohesion with a projected outside opponent. Thus said we have given these old men already to much space.
Definitely should get Ragnaroll or Aliskates on the podcast to talk about this, would be really interesting and beneficial for rollerbladers and roller skates
Ragnaroll for sure! He is also more aware and educated on the trick names - he's did an amazing interview for the dog days magazine and explained the origin of Rollerskate trick names and the whole history!
Thank you guys for talking about this! Feels like they’re just perpetuating the internalized homophobia of the old head skateboarders from back in the day, thought we were all just having fun on wheels here lol. Why set that question up for Tony? So weird
It comes down to the simple fact that rollerblading came AFTER skateboarding then proceeded to supersede them in popularity in the 90’s. They can’t admit they’re wrong how they treated the community and no other sport treated the spinoff as poorly as they did. People hate to admit they were wrong.
accurate, they were wrong and the old guys know deep down it was wrong.
I find it weird that the only people trying to keep this animosity between bladers and skateboarders are all 35+, I do aggressive inline and I get a lot of love from the local skateboarders. Seems like it’s just odd to rehash a topic based around senseless hate.
Peace Austin, Billy, and Colin. Always refreshing to hear and see Colin on the podcast. He provides a very pronounced and informed perspective on blading. From NYC with love & respect
CK was extreme divisive on Be-Mag. It’s surprising to hear him criticize discrimination when he endorses Nick Danchuk, an openly sexist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic skater.
I think having Barbie beat montre in a competition was also an undermining/moving away from rollerblading. Because whatever he does he’ll be the best at it. Feels overly disrespectful. And tbh calling step ons ollies is super weird. Let them be fake skateboarders fek it
roller skates came from the old inlines that were trying to mimik iceskates, they were too hard to balance because of no ankle support, so they put the wheels to the side,, thus quads came
i got a tattoo of that big brother rainbow rollerblade logo! 👍
Colin nails it around 15:30. They want to get in on a growing market by drumming up a supposed innate link between quads and skate-boards because quad riders are predominantly women and not a “threat” to the young male demographic.
I skateboarded from the mid 80's until the mid 90's where I transitioned to blading because it was fairly new and different (a new challenge)
I am now trying to relearn both after 25 years away.
I can not believe this argument still exists.
I really can't believe this, all I've wanted to see was Rocket power level Unity in the action / Xtreme sports community 🙁
I want to see kids practicing multiple different Disciplines, I want to see Bike boards blades Scooters and Quads all pumping each other up and cheering each other on, pushing each other to try new tricks and influencing each other in new ways that you maybe couldn't get from someone in your Discipline.
Chris Edwards used to skate Mike McGills Ramp and thats how he learned how to McTwist
To Have Try to claim the Quad community, for what ever reason, and to continue to boundary him self and skateboarding (and quad i suppose) from blading is shitty, and really only aims to divide.
Think his name is R willy. On nitro circus. He does have some cj blades. But he's a shooter / BMX if I'm not mistaken.
Rocket power was 🔥. Sad Tony hawk thinks this. He was even on rocket power too
People tend to forget that boarders and quads shared a competition circuit back in the day. They always gone hand in hand. When Tony said we can’t grind…. That kinda hit a spot of anger though 😂
I am biased but rollerbladers grind better than anyone in the business.
Tony has spoke in the past about rollerblading supporting him and paying him to perform at events at one point in the past. He’s normally quite civil about blading, odd that he could be so easily prodded to chat sh*t.
Thanks for this content guys! Always great to hear your perspectives on things. The irony of Dave Carnie and Tony Hawk getting behind Fantom is rich. Both would have aggressively mocked quad-skating in the past. Personally, I think Carnie needs to be stopped before he brainwashes another generation of kids into hating another group of people through bigoted rational. You can hear them trying to figure out new ways to justify hating rollerblading with the "trucks" thing. So lame. Carnie always viewed himself as a provocateur and shaper of culture, but his brand of edgy shock-jock nihilism went out of fashion in the 90s. He's obviously not reformed, just glomming onto a new trend to try to be relevant again and push his bigoted agenda. Arlo lost the plot when he tried to align rollerblading with Carnie. I hope quad skaters can continue to embrace inclusivity and not fall for an us-vs-them mentality.
It also seems to be a gender thing. Girls + quads = cool (punk rock)
Guys + rollerblades = not cool
Make it make sense.
And girls + rollerblades = acceptable (A skateboarder literally said that to my face one time)
Love this conversation guys. I am glad you discussed this Fantom article as it relates to Big Brother. I have a lot of Rollerskater friends and it’s sometimes hard to express why I have a problem with this Tony Hawk article and how this has all gone down.
Now rollerskaters and scooter riders can make fun of rollerblading too, might as well at this point lol.
I was surprised Tony answered like that, doesn't really sound like him. Dave did frame the question a certain way though.
Really good episode, awesome having Colin in the mix!
Yeah its hard to dislike Hawk he is rooted in Extreme sports history From his dad Frank Hawk Heading the NSA and The Bones Brigade Birdhouse, Pro skater and under ground, Gigantic skate park tour, boom huck jam, his skate park foundation, hell i have a local park that Frank Hawk Designed.
He's done so much for Xtreme sports, but thats why its sucks so much to hear him publicly speak like this about us, because i am a blader, i grew up rollerblading not skateboarding.
We need to just embrace the fact that rollerblading won’t be mainstream. it sounds cooler when I say it, but this is what it feels like: Shots for no reason, using rollerblading as an insult, etc. there will come a time when this behavior is seen for what it is. For now, we have to continue doing what we love and being true to ourselves, having fun the way we want to; regardless of what people say or think, that’s what it’s always been about, always will be about.
It seems that a certain group of quad skaters are trying to hard to get all the attention all the time
Has Tony hawk every done a 900 without touching? I see the 10 year old Korean girl lacing it but idk… I don’t think he ever technically landed it lol. It’s rules to this shit Tony
As someone who loves all kinds of skating (I blade, roller skate, and skateboard) I feel like Hawk is stuck in a bit of a stigma about blading and maybe that is why he questions his respect. I think you guys may have missed that he said that the skateboard trucks came from rollerskates, and back in the day when skate parks were first being made they were named "skate parks" because they were referencing roller skates and skateboards. I say this because there is a history there before this new wave of park quad skaters. Skateboarders also generally look at rollerskates as two separate skateboards which is maybe why they relate more to them and take more inspiration from them, even back in the 70’s/80’s.
Dave Carnie seems to have set that question up for attention, great marketing but I’m not sure if it runs very deep or if there is a financial motive. Inline skating is still more profitable than quads, but park roller-skating did go under hibernation during the rise of aggressive inline skates.
I also don’t believe any skating is “easier” they’re all a different feeling and it feels like park roller skaters are trying to find their own cultural identity. I just hope that in the eventual sense, all wheels will have respect wherever the hell they want to be. Peace and love!
i always had good memories and experience playing the video game agressive inline.
I'm really amazed that something like that, trashing a discipline/community, can be "acceptable" in 2024 (it wasnt 20years ago, but happened). A massive run on socila media should ruin people acting like that (even more, organizing it). Rollerblading, as a culture and as a business, suffered a lot from the beginning because of such idiots
Have a funny story for you. I'm into Roller Derby a lot. Besides it is being a really awesome sport it is also well known to be really inclusive. The story is, that I started my training as a future derby referee, however I'll plan to do refing on blades. (Aeon 80s to be exact) They really need refs, so I got permission to do so and there are also other blading refs, but i already recieved a fair warning: Prepare, that you will be mocked a lot. The only response I could give, I was always mocked on blades, can't imagine it to be anything worse. Also how would they mock me in Derby? It is going to be so much fun.
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Great podcast! Blading has proven itself for decades now. And hate or punk rock isnt “cool” like it was in the 90’s Dave Carnie and Tony Hawk are making themselves just look out of touch and even more irrelevant in their attempt to create a bond between mainstream skateboarding and rollerskating by talking down on blading.
Good to see you guys getting after this. I would've thought Hawk would be bigger than that, but I guess not. Pitifully resentful really
Colin is the man- love his takes here
I believe the skateboard was made up. From the roller skate. Skateboard were second.
Correct, the skateboard was born via rollerskates. But skateboards were not 2nd, they were third. Inline skates existed before rollerskates did. It's just most people back then were not very agile, so something more stable and easier needed to be made. Which brought about trucks and rollerskates because inline skates were too hard. There's some irony in there somewhere
colin is right. it is always money
18:05 I think his motive is that he’s a hateful person. Imagine all the other people in his life he uses his writing talent to pick apart. Eventually, it will be a huge stain on his legacy, and probably the community as a whole
Probably just mostly shitting on rollerbladers.
@@stuco why are you here? Secret rollerblade crush? 🤫 🥰
@@vincentaugustus2748 I am a rollerblader
Cannot stay :( but will definitely watch later.
Chris Edwards used to skate Mike Mc Gills Ramp and that`s how he learned how to McTwist . Quads was huge in 70`s... But Rollerblading was huge and massive! I`m sure that rollerblading was almost wipe out from mass media.. If you become "Big" you bother others! Its not only in this sports...
Being homosexual is super punk rock . Being rich is super not lol
I'll skip the sodomy and go for the money, thanks
We live rent free in old head skateboarders’ heads.
I am a quad skater (although I also rollerblade and skateboard too) but I can confidently say that: we could really care less about Tony Hawk’s or really any old school skateboarder’s opinions about quad skating- it’s irrelevant. As addressed, Dave Carnie is a misogynistic homophobe and it seems like any interview (or project) he steers is bound to crash and burn somewhere.
Honestly, there is so much wrong with this new magazine and this episode was only scraping the surface with this one article. The other articles are debatably more damaging to quad skating, and with that ripples to effect the dynamic of skateparks and other action sports too. Overall I think this episode would have benefited including a quad skater to understand our perspective on a lot of these issues since it directly involves us. Maybe next time this is something to consider? Anyway, thank you for bringing up this discussion on your podcast.
I think that dude who were from Big brother tryes to keep him relavate.
Time has moven on from that skateboard vs. bladers beef.
I had reminisced and laughed with skateboarders. 🎉
CK raised an interesting point about skateboarding having a financial interest in rollerskating. But what if its actually the other way around - we all know rollerskating would would benefit from skateboaring’s funding and promo and they know they aren’t gonna get all that from blading cuz its a much smaller industry now. Makes you think! Or it could be a mutual thing. I think rollerskaters in general have more affinity with blading than they would like these old anti-blade skateboarders tonące believe. Also Tony Hawk could take an L for this 🤣🤣
I think we need to IGNORE !!!!
Tony Hawk has been a sell out for a while so I don’t see why this is surprising in any way. Skateboarding pretends to be inclusive.
Time to have Tony on here.
i would also like to remind everyone that not a single blader was involved in the filming of the Lazo video. i have in good authority that a major figure in that video said mike torres wasn’t good enough 🫢 which is obviously wrong so there’s definitely a division opening up for one reason or another.
Everybody wants their share of the pie 🤑🤑🤑 Back in the early days Germany's/Europe's biggest SB-Mailorder (Titus) used to have their own inline wheel brand as well. Not for too long though..
we started a brand from a skateboard trick.... 50/50
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The division had nothing to do with trucks. It was all about skateboarder insecurity
FYI quad skating originally competed with skateboarders in the 80s 🥲
8:17 we all grind our teeth
As a skateboarder back in the day. I think we looked down on inline skating on parks because tricks didn't look nearly as hard or good as with a skateboard. We though "What's the point?" or "That is cheating". I think the market trying to put inline skating on par with skateboarding hurt inline skating. I don't blame them either, aggressive skating was legit for inline skaters and it was evolving fast.
It wasn't until I got myself into inline skates (no ramps, more wizard and figure) when I fully understood how cool and technically demanding the discipline is.
He’s trying to downplay the feud between skateboarding and rollerblading. He doesn’t want anyone to know about the magazines.
They’re paving the way for the eventual inclusion of quad skating in the Olympics
I skate round Tony many times and he always cool to me be round super cool dude
Doesn’t ragnaroll get a paycheck from powerslide…
Why dont you try and interview dave carny
i think they just wana be petty and take shots cause skateboarding is on a decline.....but i mean we can all be petty and just say SKATEBOARDERS are NOT SKATERS.......skaters was derived from Figure Skaters...soo...lets be petty lol ...this why i keep a 90s mindset..... as far as parks go... simple fix....start companies that build parks specific for Bladers and quads ,Down to details round rails only , different transitions, etc... seems to me in a broad view...they want the division...more then even now...
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1:48 I wish he was blading.
If rollerskating exploded like blading did back in the 90's this would be a totally different conversation. Rollerskating just isn't big enough to be a threat
5:30 I’m a skateboarder
Mistrial comes from ballet 🩰
Why would Tony strap on some quad skates? To hang with hot women.
Get Hawk on blades!
You can feed images of skateboarders to AI programs like MidJourney and tell it to swap the skateboard and shoes for rollerblades.
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Tony is stuck in the past.
Old heads like this are pathetic.
This is 100% about money, they’re going to push for quad to outshine blading and cash in.
That’s overly weird and annoying
I think it has more to do with weak ankles rather than skateboard trucks... Not sure why sexuality has to be a factor in everything. #smh
It's a cheap stab. Just a way to pander and suck up. Tony is old and a business man before a skater now.
Got through 10 seconds of this
Dave and Tony should have retired 10 years ago. Im tired of caring what old dudes think or say about rollerblading.
If you are in a postition in the rollerblading community to highlight a skater under 30 (under 21 is even better), please do so. Pro skates should be for the next generation. Start more skate camps. Time to let go of the gates.
so if you're a certain age your opinion doesn't matter?
i don’t think this was some elaborate plot big-skateboard thought up to thwart rollerbladers, i don’t think they think of us rollerbladers at all. i think a guy who runs alt-sports related media publications would see the hole in the market for roller skate publications/outlets and decided to tap in. we as a inline community really need to stop putting so much emotion and thought into every roller/inline skate we spot in a piece of media. ie the whole “barbie saved rollerblading” era.
Quadders love drama. Quad skating is dominated by women. That is all. Also they roll all their “grinds” unless groove tricks.
so you're saying they love drama because ThErEs A lOt Of WoMeN??
@@DRUNKBEATZ wow you can read. Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. Also the wokeness is strong in their community
@@davequist7710 ok boomer
@@DRUNKBEATZ lol how old are you? My guess is not much younger than me. I’m 38 far from being a boomer. I’m gonna guess 31? Also drunkbeatz? Is that what your dad did to you? lol relax it’s just the truth of their community.
@@davequist7710 still you talk like a boomer tho when you say they love drama because they are women and you dislike them for their "wokeness" smh
I love rollerblading, but the discussion about which is more difficult, come on guys....
The skill ceiling in skateboarding is higher, there is literally no discussion. And that's completely fine.
SUBJECTIVE AF LOL BJT AIGHT
@@4everhumbl36 Nothing subjective about it. Subjective is what you think is more fun or what looks cooler.
There is more that you can do on a skateboard, period.
This stuff is in the same lane as Conor McGregor fighting Floyd Mayweather.
This discussion is like trying to convince a metal head that hip hop is better.
Curry is better than pizza.
Spaghetti is better than ramen noodles.
Rollerblading has the all the flavour. 🤤
@@thegreatbarrerquief7473 It really isn't. it's not about what you think is "better", that's subjective.
Again, I love rollerblading, I do it myself.
But I really don't understand how people even can argue about which of the 2 is harder.
@@lieven7017 Totally missing my point bud.
Tony Hawk was part of an "anti-graffiti" movement in the 90's, flash forward a few years and his video games are FILLED with graffiti... follow the money.. Regardless, F☠️CK THEM ALL, WE ARE UNIQUE! 🔪🔪🔪🔪🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸
Yeah and we as bladers need to now cancel him! Hows that?! 🤣🔥