The Jimmy Diresta Band Saw Restoration, Part 6: Top Wheel Shaft Removal - That was EASY!

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  • Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2024

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  • @piperjohn_3
    @piperjohn_3 2 года назад

    Masterful command of material dynamics. Science, creatvivty and experience for the win!

  • @terrybush4270
    @terrybush4270 2 года назад +1

    Our hero triumphs in the end. I wish the first one had gone so smoothly. But the drill work was quite the thing to see! Nicely done, sir. Thanks for sharing.

  • @gubr
    @gubr 3 года назад +44

    Before using the shaft as template maybe put it in the other hub to see if it actually fits?

  • @Lorddanielrushton371
    @Lorddanielrushton371 5 месяцев назад

    It's the first press I've seen like that. Great job.

  • @N57RU
    @N57RU 3 года назад +44

    As a Machinist who started in a shop that originally opened in the mid 1800's, I was taught a lot of the "Old Ways". Everything I have seen you attempt I have in some way or another done before. In the Mid West, for many years on my own, I was well known for scraping / Flaking and alignment (Hand and power), I've worked Babbitt, 1/2 & 1/2, cast iron, bronze, turcite, etc. When I started, the shop had no OD grinders. I was taught the art of turn, file & polishing shafting up to 12" OD & 24 feet long. They did have a 1903 overhead belt drive lathe they had converted for polishing long shafts with a belt sanding device mounted to the cross slide. The idea of you indicating the taper of the 2nd shaft on your lathe is a way to start the fitting, but you need to go a bit further or it may loosen up over time, even with torqueing. After you turn your taper, it will have the tooling marks leaving high & low spots. Leave the taper a bit larger than your finished taper Diameters end to end. First using a mill bastard file, smooth the taper. (After each pass clean the file with a file brush) 2nd Blue or lamp black the taper of the shaft and run it in the tapered bore. 3rd, File the high spots in the lathe again that you find on the shaft taper and repeat until you have the correct full length fit. Do a final hand polish with emery cloth and you're good to go. The taper ID's & shafting will never be identical from one part to another, especially on aged machinery that were hand machined and fit.

    • @tomp538
      @tomp538 2 года назад

      What about lapping the shaft?
      Or, would doing so create a different fitment problem?

    • @N57RU
      @N57RU 2 года назад

      @@tomp538 you could but it would take longer. Turn filing polish with bluing would take less time to take down the high spots of the machining.

  • @ccssk8er123
    @ccssk8er123 2 года назад

    That was cool when the shaft popped loose while heating it! Nice job I’m enjoying the series

  • @warrenjones744
    @warrenjones744 3 года назад +42

    Don't you just love the way they rounded off the crown of the shaft and scallop the top of the nut. Simply to make it look nice.

    • @gerardb.ducoudray8881
      @gerardb.ducoudray8881 3 года назад +2

      I would have left that on, bigger surface for the 'steady' of the jack!

  • @adamstripp39
    @adamstripp39 2 года назад

    Great video. Loved the shaft popping out under hydraulic power. Cheers from Canada

  • @scotthaddad563
    @scotthaddad563 3 года назад +6

    They give us boys from the rural parts of America a bunch of guff about the way we talk and our unique approaches to problem solving. I’m from Georgia too and proud to see that unique tool that you used to get that shaft out.
    Thanks for your gentile manner and ingenious approach to problem solving.

  • @stephenwilson7641
    @stephenwilson7641 3 года назад +3

    Great job, Keith! Now, do the next guy a favor and mark those hubs showing the direction to turn the nut for removal. Thanks!

  • @garymallard4699
    @garymallard4699 3 года назад +2

    many a man feels he is blazing a New Trail only to finally look down and see he is following a well trodden path....
    getting your work done is what is satisfying and how it gets done is by using the Most Special Tool...
    your Brain!!

  • @SciPunk215
    @SciPunk215 3 года назад

    Proof of concept w/ that makeshift press setup !

  • @ozar62
    @ozar62 3 года назад +1

    Great job Keith.

  • @TonyUrryMakes
    @TonyUrryMakes 3 года назад +2

    Very clever design for the portable Press!

  • @TheTrashologist
    @TheTrashologist 3 года назад +18

    I have a portable press similar to yours that I made about 6 years ago for removing pins from hydraulic cylinders. It’s funny how many different people come to the same type of conclusion when faced with similar situations

    • @Ambidexter143
      @Ambidexter143 3 года назад +3

      As Ecclesiastes says: "There is no new thing under the Sun."

    • @DavidKutzler
      @DavidKutzler 3 года назад +4

      Biologists would call this "convergent evolution," i.e., two different organisms evolve a similar phenotypic solution to a similar environmental pressure.

    • @lewismckinley3566
      @lewismckinley3566 3 года назад

      Just thinking,...if you could mount a slotted receiver at the top two bars, you could slide the jack upside down into the receiver so it would not fall when the shaft, bearing, bushing, etc. pops loose. It would allow the placement of part protection at the bottom of the jack without trying to hold everything in place. Of course if it were placed in a horizontal position it might be another bucket of worms.
      Great solution, appreciate your time and effort to make interesting and entertaining videos for us
      A little wet and cool here on the north side of Houston, but a good Thanksgiving. Hope yours was the same.

    • @leebarnhart831
      @leebarnhart831 2 года назад +1

      When I’m faced with a stuck pin I just take a pencil and draw it out!

  • @aserta
    @aserta 3 года назад +9

    That type of arrangement is common on machinery repaired in the field. My uncle's shed was chuck full of them, various sizes, formats. The sky is the limit.

  • @CraigLYoung
    @CraigLYoung 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @sparkyprojects
    @sparkyprojects 3 года назад +11

    This is what i said in the last vid, glad it worked
    The press is a variation on a theme of hub pullers that have the hook ends or the bolts into the hub, again a useful tool.

  • @Sodabowski
    @Sodabowski 2 года назад +1

    Now that was easy and extremely satisfying to watch. Way to go Keith!

  • @fredclark4033
    @fredclark4033 3 года назад +2

    Well done, just the way it's supposed to come apart.

  • @JeremiahL
    @JeremiahL 3 года назад

    I really liked you adhoc hanging hydraulic press idea. 💡 The kind of thing you put in the memory bank for future use.

  • @andrewmantle7627
    @andrewmantle7627 3 года назад

    Thanks Keith and have a good holiday season.

  • @mikecabe6127
    @mikecabe6127 3 года назад

    Glad it work out without a lot of trouble!!

  • @frankdahorta6735
    @frankdahorta6735 3 года назад +1

    LIke your press! Well done.

  • @warrenjones744
    @warrenjones744 3 года назад +5

    You are correct Keith, your are not the first person to build a portable press arraignment. Nor was I when I built my first one years back for a job I was doing. However that is the kind problem solving thinking that allows us to fix large complicated things with relatively simple tools. Well done. Thus far this has been a fun series to watch. Cheers.

    • @millwrightrick1
      @millwrightrick1 3 года назад +3

      Built a similar press to pull a 6ft dia. fan impeller off of a 3 15/16" shaft.

    • @Hoaxer51
      @Hoaxer51 3 года назад +2

      @@millwrightrick1, that’s a beast! Lol

  • @josephcitizen4195
    @josephcitizen4195 3 года назад +1

    I just want to say that I was wrong. I was emphatically convinced that both shafts would be LH'd because they were on the same side of the saw and turning in the same direction. RH threaded nuts **are** cheaper and I guess I was thinking like an engineer and not an accountant.
    I stand here, on this day CORRECTED!
    Thanks Keith, love the channel.

  • @tiredoldmechanic1791
    @tiredoldmechanic1791 3 года назад +1

    Over the years I've come up with many versions of the hydraulic jack press to move stubborn things.

  • @bloodknottrevelian3396
    @bloodknottrevelian3396 7 месяцев назад

    Removing the clutch hub on my old Triumph motorcycle, which is on a taper, involved tightening the puller as much as you dare and leave it for 24 hours after which you would generally find the puller and hub laying on the floor. This was back in the 60s when applying a heat source was not available to the average amateur mechanic. But I often wonder whether it was the change in ambient temperature overnight that was the final encouragement that did the job.

  • @John_D75
    @John_D75 3 года назад +10

    Nice job Keith, there is one thing you may want to add to your portable press that holds the jack. You can make it out of a small piece of channel or two pieces of angle. Cut a “U” in the back/web of the channel that is just large enough for the threads on the jack extension screw to slide into and weld onto the area where you set the jack too pad. The pad on the screw will hold the jack while you pump it into place and when the piece you are pressing releases. This could save you from dropping the jack and damaging the piece you are working on or yourself. I hope I explained it clear enough.
    Take care,
    John

  • @ron827
    @ron827 3 года назад +2

    The bottom shaft was made by Chrysler and the top shaft was made by Ford. 🙂
    Love the portable press and you have a right to be VERY proud of it. I foresee several of these being made by viewers.

  • @formerfarmer1718
    @formerfarmer1718 6 месяцев назад

    Another machinist that I follow on RUclips is fond of making
    “flogging” wrenches and spanners for loosening tight nuts. He uses a standard oxy acetylene cutting torch and appropriately sized steel plate. The “flogging” wrench and a hammer will transfer a great amount of torque to break loose a tight nut.

  • @FountainCityVol
    @FountainCityVol 3 года назад +3

    Loving this bandsaw video series….

  • @migueltorres6073
    @migueltorres6073 Год назад

    Keith Nice job!!!

  • @erneststorch9844
    @erneststorch9844 2 года назад

    As you know it helps a ton if you know how a piece is designed and assembled. You didn't know weather the shaft was tapered or driven by key or some other way.
    Assembly can be so much easier.

  • @TrPrecisionMachining
    @TrPrecisionMachining 3 года назад

    good job keith

  • @MadMotorDoc
    @MadMotorDoc 3 года назад +1

    Learning from our past is a given, remembering another , clutch fan hub (left hand) after you beat it to death.

  • @timothybryan5113
    @timothybryan5113 3 года назад +1

    Good show

  • @honeycuttracing
    @honeycuttracing 3 года назад +1

    Glad you found that "Easy" button, we're all the time losing ours 😁😆

  • @LeaveMasonAlone
    @LeaveMasonAlone 3 года назад +1

    That's kinda just a giant hydraulic pulley puller, love it!

  • @Rovinman
    @Rovinman 3 года назад +2

    Great result ! Don't forget to clean and paint, your Mobile Jacking Frame !
    Sign it, Patent it !
    Mobile Jacking Frame
    KR Fabrications 2021
    Awsome !

  • @nobuckle40
    @nobuckle40 3 года назад +2

    Okay, I had to change my pants after that shaft let loose. I'm really enjoying this series of videos. Thanks Keith.

  • @Redf322
    @Redf322 3 года назад +1

    Good little press.

  • @elsdp-4560
    @elsdp-4560 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.

  • @DAKOTANSHELBY
    @DAKOTANSHELBY 3 года назад +3

    Thinking outside the box! I have the identical Craftsman toolbox, without the center section though. We both have same problem of stuffing stuff on top shelve, preventing closure of the lid.

  • @dwwoodbuilds
    @dwwoodbuilds 3 года назад +3

    Great job Keith! Happy to see this went smoothly! That portable press is pretty clever! Really enjoying your videos!

  • @MIck1-10
    @MIck1-10 3 года назад +7

    Well done, nice video. Looking forward to the next ones.

  • @samuraidriver4x4
    @samuraidriver4x4 3 года назад +5

    I have fabricated a similar mobile press in the past.
    A manure side spreader had a 1,5 meter diameter gear that was stuck on the shaft and it needed to come apart.
    Was tapered AND keyed on the shaft and rusted in place.
    Took alot of penetrating fluid, heat and pressure to get that one off.

    • @infoanorexic
      @infoanorexic 3 года назад +2

      I've also had to threaten them (similar items) with a love tap from an 8 lb sledge. Moisture, marine environment, over a long period of time had the two parts rust jacked together. The shock of a hammer blow was what finally did the trick. The amount of loss due to the rust was hardly measurable, and after some clean up the parts were able to be reassembled and used without issues. I started thinking of anti-seize as "mechanic's prozac" (" ... it's your friend!") during those days. It spares you the trauma of those dramatic, sometimes violent, separations.
      A turd hearse is one of those machines that sees little love unless it breaks down, I understand that struggle all too well.

    • @Ambidexter143
      @Ambidexter143 3 года назад +1

      That must have been one of those jobs that you're glad is over and hopefully you never have to do it again.

    • @samuraidriver4x4
      @samuraidriver4x4 3 года назад +1

      @Wayne Coke cant remember how much tons the jack was rated for but indeed constant pressure.
      We already left it overnight once and the second night it gave way and finaly broke loose.
      Lots of heat and pressure did the trick

    • @samuraidriver4x4
      @samuraidriver4x4 3 года назад +1

      @@infoanorexic 50th hand free machine that sat in a field for around a decade filled with chicken manure for about 75%.
      Didnt fancy shoveling out all that much, after the repair work we just spread that stuff out and it smelled real bad haha

  • @scottvolage1752
    @scottvolage1752 3 года назад +1

    Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and a blessed weekend.

  • @bobwallace5257
    @bobwallace5257 3 года назад

    Hi Keith, your porta press is brilliant! Simple and effective! Hats off to ya!

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 3 года назад +1

    Since you are going to setup to do the one taper I would just go ahead and do both shafts. It will be nicer in the end.

  • @TheUffelpuff
    @TheUffelpuff 3 года назад +8

    You never see one of those hydralic presses because they are usualy made from "scrap" pieces and when done the pieces are disasembled and used for something else after a while.
    and when u need it again you asemble a new one from what you currently have laying around.

  • @guubagaaba8391
    @guubagaaba8391 3 года назад

    need to patent that press and start making them before some one else does !!!!!!! nice job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @donmittlestaedt1117
    @donmittlestaedt1117 3 года назад +1

    In my experience I have never seen your portable press design used. I love it and intend to build one, just to have one. Thanks for the video.

  • @varmint243davev7
    @varmint243davev7 3 года назад +40

    I am not convinced the other shaft was stuck by your turning the nut the wrong way. I suspect it was stuck regardless from the tightening each time the saw was turned on for a hundred years.

    • @johncoops6897
      @johncoops6897 3 года назад +16

      I agree. There is no way that the 1" thread and a soft nut would pull it up tighter than heat and a press.
      Also, if it actually DID tighten it, then it would have broken the rust bond (which it most certainly didn't).

    • @silasmarner7586
      @silasmarner7586 3 года назад +3

      @@johncoops6897 good point

    • @garymallard4699
      @garymallard4699 3 года назад +3

      not uncommon to have one fight you while the second one practically falls off if you sneeze ( or fart )...

    • @mathewmolk2089
      @mathewmolk2089 3 года назад +3

      Me neither. I think it was stuck but good when Kieth got it.

  • @kentuckytrapper780
    @kentuckytrapper780 3 года назад +2

    Great video Keith, excellent job, keep'um coming..

  • @ernestwhatley208
    @ernestwhatley208 3 года назад

    It worked great

  • @tomscott4723
    @tomscott4723 3 года назад +4

    That was too easy! The other one was worth alot more content! Haha The press will come in handy I'm sure on these big old projects in the future. Thanks for the vids!

  • @lecnac855
    @lecnac855 3 года назад +2

    Well done as usual.
    Glad you shared that.I am going to make 1.could have used 1 many times.

  • @phooesnax
    @phooesnax 3 года назад +1

    Great idea

  • @andrewmiller2868
    @andrewmiller2868 2 года назад

    Wow, that really made me jump when the shaft let go 🤣😂🤣.

  • @older-wiser-better
    @older-wiser-better 3 года назад +1

    Well done 👍

  • @johncrea9395
    @johncrea9395 3 года назад +4

    Keith
    If you don't have a shaft to measure the taper, have you ever used CerroSafe casting metal to make a exact match for the inside of the taper (melts at 160-180F, when it cools it shrinks a few thousanths for easy removal, and 1 hour later it re-expands back to within a couple thousanths of the exact size of the cavity) Reuse-able and not very expensive. I bought mine from Brownells, if I recall a pound is around $30.
    John

    • @BrianEltherington
      @BrianEltherington 3 года назад +1

      Not sure if CerroSafe is intended for cannon size chambers. It might work if there are no pits in the bore but would probably require 5 or 6 pounds of casting metal for something that big.

  • @roberthamilton9730
    @roberthamilton9730 3 года назад +1

    I was "impressed" with your new tool and the way you suspended it with your crane. I think you could show it some love with a nice coat of paint sometime.

  • @leeroyholloway4277
    @leeroyholloway4277 3 года назад +25

    I always jump when a tapered part pops loose in the press. Even when I'm watching it on video.

    • @aceroadholder2185
      @aceroadholder2185 3 года назад +1

      Ah yes, the BANG! of happiness from an assembly you've been fighting all day long.

  • @HorsleyLandy88
    @HorsleyLandy88 3 года назад +2

    I made a very similar one to push bushes out of by excavator arm, and those jacks will also work on their side if you have the pump on the bottom.

  • @markbernier8434
    @markbernier8434 3 года назад +2

    I would put that puller in a peach basket and reckon on adding spacers and other bits to the basket over the years.

  • @garylarue5994
    @garylarue5994 3 года назад +1

    HI Keith:
    I am surprised that you don't have a 3/4 drive socket set. I have a complete Snap-On 3/4 " to 3" set with a ratchet and 4' breaker bar .
    I have had that set since the late '60's.
    I love those "hot" wrenches. I have used hot/cold procedures for a long time.
    WE had a 100 ton press, air over hydralic, and it was not uncommon to max out that press. I have had that press just about jump off the floor, and it was bolted to the concrete,... when shafts, etc finally let go! It will raise your blood pressure when that happens!
    Great video as usual!
    Best Wishes!
    Gary

  • @andrewgray1949
    @andrewgray1949 3 года назад +2

    Use a similar setup to pull propellers of marine prop shafts - also taper fitting but with a key.

  • @markandrews7701
    @markandrews7701 2 года назад

    That tool is really a giant gear/bearing puller where the gear/wheel is pulled from the shaft but remains the stationary part.

  • @artszabo1015
    @artszabo1015 3 года назад

    One wheel will have right hand threads and the other will have left hand threads because; one wheel will have the driving torque applied through the shaft from the power source (driving wheel) the other (upper) wheel will have the torque applied through the blade (driven wheel) to the outside of the wheel requiring left hand threads for the top and right hand threads for the bottom. Or vice versa, but you get the idea.
    Art

  • @johnjenkins4139
    @johnjenkins4139 3 года назад

    When fitting the new shaft , Keith Fenner has an excellent video on the subject . He uses Dykem and valve lapping compound . Just trying to help . I'm sure you'll get it done .

  • @BedsitBob
    @BedsitBob 3 года назад +5

    "And that gentlemen, is how we do that."
    Read in the voice of Tom Hanks. 😁

  • @july8xx
    @july8xx 3 года назад

    Left and right threads make sense, that bottom wheel is driven by the shaft while the top wheel drives the upper shaft

  • @mickestahl6178
    @mickestahl6178 3 года назад

    As always Keith did solve the problem, I wonder if there are any case that he can't find a solution to.. Love to see this type of creative problem solving. Love from Sweden

  • @stacybelinskey2007
    @stacybelinskey2007 3 года назад

    Much easier than the other one happy Thanksgiving

  • @simonscott1121
    @simonscott1121 3 года назад +2

    Go Keith!

  • @rwe2156
    @rwe2156 2 года назад

    After screwing replacing the bearings on the arbor for my tablesaw, I feel a lot better about missing a left hand thread!!

  • @jimbarchuk
    @jimbarchuk 3 года назад +4

    Brilliant little suspended press adapter. SURPRISE! When that thing happens that you expect to happen because you set it up to happen that way and it should happen, yet when it happens, and you don't know if it will or exactly when it'll happen, yet when it happens it still shocks the crap out of you, because again, you never REALLY know IF it'll work or not. 9:27 ruclips.net/video/vKSRoxRSeIo/видео.html

  • @componenx
    @componenx 3 года назад

    My first press was very similar in design and size, except that the only jack I had at the time was an old British mechanical jack (not hydraulic) that came with a Triumph I owned at the time. (this was about 1986) I don't recall what I used it for, but it worked great! Still have the frame somewhere.

  • @garymallard4699
    @garymallard4699 3 года назад +2

    add some chains or some guard to keep your jack from exploding out...anything to stop an accident is worth the time and cost ...
    i seen many similar ways of removing stuff done...whatever works is how it used to be done ...

  • @scottgm321
    @scottgm321 2 года назад

    My Jack has that same silly two part handle. I got tired of chasing one half or the other and just welded the two halves together.

  • @bryanlatimer-davies1222
    @bryanlatimer-davies1222 3 года назад +3

    If that was me I would have been beavering away on that left hand nut without checking because I knew it was the same as the other one!

  • @gemini1965
    @gemini1965 3 года назад +3

    well done as allways! but that 7:28 make me lol, happens to me too....

  • @paulputnam2305
    @paulputnam2305 5 месяцев назад

    On the bottom, the shaft drives the wheel, hence left hand thread. On the top, the wheel drives the shaft, so right hand thread.
    There’s my 2 cents worth. (minus your discount, I owe ya a dollar)
    Great Job Keith!

  • @joopterwijn
    @joopterwijn 3 года назад

    Busybody Keith! Nice that this side decided to cooperate!

  • @martineastburn3679
    @martineastburn3679 3 года назад

    If you heat the rod it will get skinny and longer. The hub will have the hole get larger. Best of both worlds in this mode.

  • @Cliff_Anderson
    @Cliff_Anderson 3 года назад +1

    Redemption!

  • @markloving11
    @markloving11 3 года назад +2

    How’s you arm Keith? I do hope your recovery is going well!

  • @jw2204
    @jw2204 3 года назад +1

    you can use playdoe or clay or some kind of silicone to make a mold for that Hub on that band saw that way you know what exact taper of the shaft is

  • @PeterWMeek
    @PeterWMeek 3 года назад +3

    Pure logic: on the bottom wheel, the shaft drives the wheel (needs left-hand thread); the bottom wheel drives the top wheel via the blade; the top wheel drives it's own shaft (admittedly, not much resistance here). So, logically, the top wheel gets a right-hand thread.

  • @RichieCat4223
    @RichieCat4223 3 года назад +5

    When you make the other shaft and nut put a line in the middle of the flats to indicate left hand thread.
    It might help someone years down the road.

    • @johncoops6897
      @johncoops6897 3 года назад +2

      Just stamp "LH" rather than some obscure markings.

    • @RichieCat4223
      @RichieCat4223 3 года назад +4

      @@johncoops6897 Most any LH thread bolt or nut I saw had a line marking not a letter stamping that's why I made the suggestion.

    • @Hoaxer51
      @Hoaxer51 3 года назад

      @@RichieCat4223, just like the fittings on your acetylene tanks for your cutting torch. I know if there’s a line scribed into a nut that somethings up!

    • @RichieCat4223
      @RichieCat4223 3 года назад

      @@Hoaxer51 And that means LH thread.

  • @kevinmartin7760
    @kevinmartin7760 3 года назад

    For the bottom wheel the shaft drives the wheel, but in the top wheel it is the wheel that drives the shaft. Even though the only load there is the shaft's inertia and bearing drag, it is still the case that you want a normal right-hand thread so the small load generates a tightening effect.

  • @WilliamTMusil
    @WilliamTMusil 3 года назад

    Hiya Keith

  • @davidmarsden8008
    @davidmarsden8008 3 года назад

    It’s medieval but it works!

  • @zbradbell
    @zbradbell 3 года назад

    only change I'd think about making to that press is using a chain or something to tether the jack so it can't go ballistic when something lets go

  • @dablakh0l193
    @dablakh0l193 3 года назад +1

    The dimple in the end of the shaft almost looks like the one in an old carriage shaft I saw that used a wide gear puller to push the shafts out of their wheels.

  • @mikaelpierre6783
    @mikaelpierre6783 3 года назад +1

    Lemon squeezy as they say. Nice!

  • @j.walker3498
    @j.walker3498 3 года назад +1

    I have a old steel hub from a wagon wheel. ran over it with excavator though, kinda oval now

  • @stephenbridges2791
    @stephenbridges2791 3 года назад +2

    Some of that reverse threading could be much along the lines of Chrysler's thinking. They used to use left handed threads on lugs just on one side of the vehicle and not the other.

  • @elrond12eleven
    @elrond12eleven 3 года назад +2

    Keith, why do you think it is better to use a taper attachment then turn the shaft between centers, slightly shifting the center in the tailstock backwards or forwards? It's old and classic and extremely precise way to turn such tapers.