1973 Dodge Polara 440 Washington State Patrol Car! Fixing The Thermoquad, Test Driving In A Field
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2023
- Personally, I think this is some of my finest work. Naturally, because of that, I am fully expecting no one to watch this video (just like I am fully expecting no one to read this description... does anyone read these descriptions? I put way too much thought into them.) Anyway, if you want to check out Tom's video showing this car, you can check that out here: • 1973 Dodge Polara Ex-W...
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I wish I'd had the foresight to save my Dad's '69 Fury WSP car. It made it to the mid 80's then was parked and sent to the crushers. Regrettably. The persuit 440 which had been long replaced by a 383 2bbl, went to my 68 SuperBee. I saved the front frame for a 51 Dodge pickup project which was never finished...ugh!
Damn it! That's a bummer.
Ttttttt
Nicely done man, great diagnosis of that thermoquad....yes corndog #2!
Drive it like you stolen it! Lol
Those TQ are so darn cool. Had them one my 76 Cordoba, 79 dodge ram 4×4 360 4sd. Never f
Had a problem with them . Maybe bc they weren't 35 years old yet at the time ... hmmm
Don't mind if I do. Haha. Yeah, definitely. The leaking well plug thing has become a big problem over the years. The epoxy slowly fails and then they're just super rich all the time. Same with the warping and cracking main bodies. The older they get, the more heat cycles, etc. I really like Thermoquads in general, once they're brought back to decent working order.
Great videos brother! Always entertaining 😁👏👏👏🍻
Always looking forward to your next video. You definitely love your job, and your commentary, it's educational, and very entertaining. Thermoquad video would help me out, and yes I usually read the description, but after I watch the video. And now I need to check out what Tom puts out.
Thank you! A big Thermoquad video is absolutely on the docket. I plan to have a couple running in my fleet before too long. I really do love my job. It's ridiculous that I get to do exactly what I've always wanted to do - for money!
@@DeadDodgeGarage yes you are blessed, a job you enjoy, and I finally checked out rockets site. That 68 Polara, Sweeeet. 70 RR, kick ass. Maybe Tom will video the pop top Ramchargers that you ignored LOL.
I need this car in my life !!!💪💪
I think 🤔I liked the video, but I had trouble concentrating after I saw the red 68 300 fast top and the white 60 Chrysler two minutes in. 😁
Haaahaha. I’ll have you know I had every intention of rolling some clips on that into this video while I was back there, but for some reason I got distracted. Must have seen a squirrel or something.
After VERY CAREFULLY reading your well-worded and useful description, I got comfortable, poured a drink, and watched the Directors Cut of "1973 Dodge Polara 440 Washington State Patrol Car!" I was enraptured. When you showed the timing sticker that is too damaged to read, I almost cried and could not turn away to see how it would turn out. When you finally drove the car, you were full of swagger and life without over-doing it like Logan Paul would have done. The only thing missing was a cat. I don't see how you can make a RUclips video without having a cat in it. If you need a quote for the dust jacket of the DVD, here it is: "I modern and compelling twist on the ever-present theme of Man and Machine. The character of "gasket that probably needs repair" will surely win an oscar. The film made me walk out my door and hug my Crown Vic, telling it that I don't mind after all that it is not a Dodge.
But seriously, great video! I thought the 440 Polara police cars were among the fastest cop cars made up to that time, is that true? I understand that you didn't have time to make that car perform as well as it could, and I look forward to seeing how fast it will be. I wonder, though, if by 1973, even cop cars were slowed down by smog requirements.
I’ve been making RUclips videos for a year and a half, and not *once* has anyone bothered to bring the primary reason for my lack of astronomical success to my attention - until now. I have featured cats in *some* videos, but I see now that I am really leaving something on the table by not featuring them in *ALL* videos! I can’t quite put my appreciation for this advice - and, indeed, a glowing review - into words properly at present, (perhaps due to a distinct lack of caffeine in my blood stream,) so I will instead leave you simply with… Meow.
@@DeadDodgeGarage Meow to you too!
Thanks for the C-Body fix!
Great video thanks for sharing! Love old plymouth cop cars!
Thanks Jamie
I love the passive aggressiveness with the field comments!!!! Lol love it!!!
Love the WWAaaaa sound those old 440 equipped dodges made. (Make).
Oh how I love listening to those secondaries.....
That thing is awesome! My grandpa had a 1973 fury 2 PA state police undercover car. I wish I had that car today, he used to tell me cool stories about it, like ripping it the industrial park At 85 mph on his way in to work.
Awsome car, I'm digging the blues mobile
You have an extremely rare car to say the least!
Well, Gary does. Haha.
Thx J
Even the immortal legends of Chrysler past can't escape decay.
None of us can…
You have your A Body collection, your B Body collection, time for a C Body, clearly. That’s just math.
Oh yeah. I know that. Am I looking at an ad for a ‘68 Fury III fast top that may or may not have been my dad’s at some point as we speak? Why would you ask that kind of question? Of course I am.
@@DeadDodgeGarage, that would be amazing if it turns out to be his. Wow. Guess I could track to track down my deceased father’s Maverick, but… nah. I’m good.
Back in 1973, purchased a 1971 Plymouth Fury 1 (I never knew they made anything but a Fury lll) Montana State Pursuit Interceptor. Had a 440, TF & Dana 60. NO power steering, no a/c, huge power disc brakes on the front. The tires were "Police Pursuit" certified. They were rock hard bias ply, rated for 150 mph. Was impossible to parallel park. Was told the Montana State Police didn't like power steering, because the cars were "twitchy" at high speeds. Plus, Montana highways are almost straight shots, anyway. Wish I still had it.
Wow. That’s quite something. Yeah, the power steering is super vague and twitchy. I prefer manual in most applications. Of course we have Firm Feel now, which is a good option. Very cool.
that was a fast one; before the compression ratios dropped in 72. 140+ without overdrive and horrible aerodynamics!
Great Super Troopers reference!
“And grow a god damn mustache!” “I’m growing mine!” “…really?”
There are so many parts of this video that I like, but I don't have time to mention them. (insert personal story here) My first 5 cars were all Mopars, and all F8 green... a color I despise to this day. My father told me to never bring another green car in his driveway. No problem. I was unhappy about the green too. So I bought a '75 Fury ex-police car. It had a 400 engine with a Thermoquad, and it wasn't green. Nope. It was painted an awful tattletale blue. My dad hated it worse than the green, so he named it Mr. Ugly. The moral of the story? Don't put ketchup on scrambled eggs. Anyway, you didn't have time to do more work on that ex-police Mopar, because my story is so long. Speaking of which, here is a bonus story! I had a bad Thermoquad addiction those days, and I fixed my Thermo-bog by hooking up a spare vacuum dash switch from an air-grabber car, to the vacuum pod on the carb that disconnects the secondaries when the engine is cold. I could just mash the gas pedal without brake-torquing, and it would smoke the tires! Just flip the switch when you want the secondaries back in action. I'm cured now, thanks to years of therapy and meds. But, I will never remove the Thermoquad from my lawnmower!
Dang, that’s a quality trick. My Demon’s original Thermoquad has a spring on that arm. I’m thinking it’s a similar theory, but more of a hammer approach… soooo much green. They’re always damn green. Ketchup on the scrambled eggs is a no from me… ok I really want a lawn mower that goes “waaaa WAAAAA” now.
Haha! I can cut my lawn in ten minutes! I fall off it once in awhile, so I think a helmet, roll bar and 4 point harness is a good idea, but screw that! @@DeadDodgeGarage
"It's got a cop motor, cop transmission, cop suspension, cop tires, cop brakes, and it's a model made before catalytic converters, so it'll run good on regular gas."
Ellwood
I’ll have you know I intentionally refrained from doing that bit 😅 we’ll save that for the Blues Brothers car, I reckon
@@DeadDodgeGarage most people's memories don't go back more than a week or two. I figured a line from the Blues Brothers would be long since forgotten. So much so as to be brand new again.
@@jpalberthoward9 "You traded the Caddy? for *this* piece of shit?!" "No, I traded it for a microphone." "...Alright, I could see that." I 'member! I speak almost entirely in movie quote. Haha.
@@DeadDodgeGarage you like to fix up old cars, and you know the Blues Brothers movie. You must be at least a little bit historically minded. Not many people appreciate much history these days. Most of us live in the nanosecond now. As in right now. This very nanosecond. No past and no future. Welcome to the extreme minority.
@@jpalberthoward9 Well, I'm happy to be here. I hope I can continue to share my love of history with others, and that some of them might just realize it's a nice place to take a break from the insanity of today. These cars are history to me. They're time machines. Just this evening, I hopped in my '68 Charger with my family and cruised across town to a local burger and ice cream joint. It's an event. It gives me great joy. It doesn't have to be a Charger, either. It could be any old hunk of American steel. I hope the world slows down again some day.
I am looking forward to a thermobog video. I need to work on mine thats attached to my 1980 Grand Fury MN state patrol car. I want the thermoquad to sing its beautiful song.
I’ve got a very not happy one on my ‘79 300, so I will be piecing together a suitable replacement for that. I have a handful of cores at my disposal here (plus an additional mountain of them at Rocket) so I should be able to look at different flavors and changes over the years, show what can be interchanged and what can’t, etc. I’m definitely looking forward to this.
Cool cop car. Dig the no beard clean look.
You need a trooper hat for when you drive that, it completes the look. LOL
Therm-O-quad! I had a carb guru here in NC, "Mr. Clifton" at Raleigh Carb, fully go through & set it up...Mike's Carb Parts is in Washington near you, too...
It's gotta cop motor a 4 hundred and 40 cubic inch plant, cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It was a model made before catalytic converters, so it 'll run good on regular gas. Lol
Uhhhh huh... But did you notice the New Blues Mobile in the background?
@DeadDodgeGarage O yes I did. Subtle hint haha
@@adamhoffman3687 Pay attention to that, that might be important!
@DeadDodgeGarage will do. Looking forward to it Jamie
Reminds me of Gator, White Lightning.
Good info on the Thermoquad. I would have been curious to see the dash. up close. It appears to have either a radio delete panel or a dash face that has a smooth face on the upper right. Also, there is an opening for a clock. I was wondering if a clock was in it.
Some C body info here. The 69 and newer Fury introduced a black plasticy looking dash that was FRONT lighted. They actually boasted about this in the info at the time. It's Dodge Polara cousin had an awful looking two level dash that looked like something from a 68 Galaxy. I don't know if it is front lit. Probably. I've never been able to look at one without getting sick. Apparently customers felt the same way because the Plymouth Fury dash was put on the Polara for 72 and 73 which is the one shown in the video. The radios for these dashes have a unique asymmetric concave black plastic face and the radio wires omit the orange wire since they are FRONT lit from the cluster lamps. By 1973, 5 speaker stereo was available and often ordered in C bodies (and even E bodies) but B bodies only offered two speaker radios.
I didn’t go over the dash because Tom had just done that over on his Rocket Restorations channel. He did a pretty thorough look at this car, and at his ‘72 WSP Polara as well.
I'm glad this WSP C-body is still.around.
At one time, these big-block WSP cars were getting auctioned cheap, great swap material for Mopar cars, trucks, and 4x4's.
Not that many to begin with, probably very few survivors left now.
And they’re all at Tom’s place. Haha. I know they were kinda the go to engine donors in the day. It makes good sense, but kind of a bummer to think about now.
I have like 3 or 4 TQ's sitting in various spots around my house, I plan on sending some more goodies your way soon and may include one or two carbs lol.
Haaahaha. Awesome. I’ll put them with the rest of the Thermoquads 😅 I need to sort through things and come up with at least one good carb worth of parts for the ‘79 300, so that would be helpful.
Cool old cop car!👍
Great car, great video!
I love cop cars. I especially like the FL ones that were 2-door posties (a '60 Savoy 2-door TX pursuit car recently came up here on the cheap, though hammered and missing a lot of vital stuff).
My first car *should* have been a '73 Monaco 2-door with a 400, but my pops refused to sell it to me. He wound up trading it in for peanuts on some Chevy wagon, and I'm still working on forgiving him for it.
OT, I've heard you mention that you've kinda wanted a road toad (among a million other Mopars). There's one on the cheap right now on Tucson CL (auto parts). I found it while surfing for Slant stuff.
Of note, many of my bad ideas have begun with surfing CL with my morning coffee.
☕🤔😆🤣
Interesting, many of my bad ideas have begun with surfing CL 😅 well and Marketplace these days. I do want one, but it has to be affordable - and I’m not willing to go that far afield. One of those - like many things seem to - will eventually come my way.
@@DeadDodgeGarage yes, we pay premium dollar here, but our bodies are usually 100% rust-free. There is something to be said about scoring a rust-bomb on the cheap, though. it's far easier to get into financially..
You can definitely see where the Australian Valiant got it's ideas for the VH model from XD
I need this car so bad.
I don’t think it’s for sale any time soon. Haha.
Absolutely 💯 love 💖 these old ,
C bodies , former Police 🚔 cars ,
Content !!
I'm getting a better understanding why , thermoquads are a bit ,
Erroneous and intermittent 😒
Please , more C bodies 🙏
C bodies forever 😎
Great Job! 👍👍 Can you please tell me how you fixed the dip stick leak? I have tried everything I can think of on my 87 Dodge W250 grrrrrr😩
I drank my beer too fast I’m outta time n video ended i really dislike thermo quads im gonna get another beer n a corn dog 😂
Haaahaha. I’ve had my fair share of “fun” times with the Thermoquad, that’s for sure… great, now I’m hungry too.
C body goodness…they’re growing on me..slowly
They do most things slowly... haha.
Mother had a 77 fury cop car,440,dual exhaust, damn thing cornered like a go kart. If you kept your toenails out of the thermo quad it would get 17 miles to the gallon. I know,hard to believe.
I wonder if that was the same problem I was having with a remanufactured Carter AVS 4640S carbreurator I bought for my '69 Dodge Charger R/T with the 440. I had a whistle noise too and no matter what I did to adjust it, it wouldn't adjust the idle at all and ran very lean. I installed the old worn out Carter AVS and it ran fine.
AVS doesn’t have a lower body to base plate gasket like the Thermoquad does, so I’m not sure where that could be happening.
You can probably get away with cruising with that light bar if the blue and red lights were replaced with a single yellow one in the center. And of course never turning on the yellow one except in the parking lot at car shows. I think taking it off was the right thing, but some guys want to keep it's copinesse as high as possible.
I know there is a way to do it. But it was also Tom’s part on Gary’s car. And hastily installed. Haha.
They tune it up before testing it so it runs and performs well Jamie sir lol
🍺
Here's an idea: what if some aftermarket performance company started reproducing those phenolic plastic center sections for Thermoquad carburetors?
I mean it's that center section that goes bad on like, well, everyone that I've ever seen that was unusable, especially on the secondary jet well caps. But boy if you find/have one that isn't cracked or broken anywhere, you've got one of the best carburetors ever produced,,, and take care of it, don't let it get water from moisture and let it sit outside in weather below freezing because, well... Ok, I'm done. Lol.
My coworker Evan said someone was, but I’m not seeing them at present. Carbs Unlimited has them listed but no longer available. The well plugs are easily fixed with some fresh epoxy! Cracks and warped bodies… not so easy.
@@DeadDodgeGarage OK I gotcha.
Um, just in case anyone was wondering, I once had a T-quad from a Motorhome that had a tremendous engine compartment fire and that plastic center was warped really bad, but I had access to one of those large marble sanding blocks and I just re-flatened the top surface of the plastic center, and after that the carburetor worked just like nothing had ever happened to it.
I may have just gotten lucky, not sure, lol...
I can't figure out why no one is making carbs out of a material that is impervious to alcohol and alcohol plus water damage such as stainless steel. I have read that a new 800 dollar double pumpers are being ruined in as little as 8 months. And if you are thinking "just buy e zero gas" well, 85 percent of the country has no access to it.
At 6:45 the PVC to the Carb hose has a slit/cut in it, potential vacuum leak?
Does it? I’m not seeing that in the video. Next time I’m by the car I’ll take a look.
@@DeadDodgeGarage the slit was underneath the vacuum gauge in the video shot, but all that matters is you got the high idle issue fixed. 👍
A little vacuum leak won't hurt, let's just lean out that thirsty 440 a bit more eh?
All in the name of better MPG's.
I heard the guy that founded Carter carburettors even spoke with a stutter
😅
I always wanted to find a '74. If you have to ask why, you've obviously never seen "The Blues Brothers".
I should hope from this video, and from other things I’ve said over the years, it might be obvious that I know why. Haha. I refrained from doing the entire Blues Brothers bit in this one. We’ll save that for the other car…
I had a 2 barrel Stromberg that was untunable. The shaft for the butterflies was worn out amd causing a vacuum leak.
Yep… something I see from time to time. Common on the similar Carter BBD two barrel as well.
@@DeadDodgeGaragegood to know, that's the carb I'm running now. Maybe I should do that 4bbl swap....😁
@@klapaucius77 Hahahaha. Well it's your life. I love a good BBD - until it becomes a bad BBD...
That '73 Polara Police Pursuit Car is Awesome, had one like it years ago, ran moonshine in that car!!! How much could I get it for??? Mopar Nate Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Nice. It’s not for sale - but that may change some day. That’s not my department. Haha.
@@DeadDodgeGarage Wow dude, it brings back memories from when I had mine, I remember being chased by Pa State Police in Chester, Pa., those BASTARDS couldn't catch me at all, I tweaked that 440 that was in it!!! Great car, I hope you keep it safe, I love it!!! Well, I still have my '72 Furylll 4door hardtop, that's got all the good police car stuff on it!!! That car looks like a whiskey runner, cop car wheels, spot light, Grey primer paint, dual exhaust out back, 60 series tires all way 'round!!! The car runs very well!!! Mopar Nate Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
So why so few E bodies bro?
Just asking because I have one and rarely ever see them on RUclips.
Could you explain why.
I’ve done two E body videos in the last week 🙂 honestly though? They’re all expensive and desirable. I can’t just get my hands on them like I can A bodies and less desirable B and C bodies. And, I used to own a ‘73 Challenger. I really liked how it drove, and I loved the 70s street machine style. But it was also tiny and useless. I couldn’t use it for our family road trips. Couldn’t put my daughter’s car seat in the back. Couldn’t put my cooler in the trunk. Couldn’t really do anything useful. So I had my E body fun and let it go to the next guy. I have a Hemi ‘Cuda video coming in the near future, and more updates on the 392 Hemi swap Challenger project coming too. So don’t worry, there are and always will be E bodies here. Go through my catalog and you’ll see plenty of them. I can’t speak for other channels - I feel like there is plenty of E body content out there.
@DeadDodgeGarage thanks for the feed back bro.
I'll keep watching because I just live mopars.
As I have said before I actually like the original Carter AFB and avs series carbs not so much the Edelbrock versions of the AFB I have had several issues with them have not gotten to try the avs series 2 carbs, and I like the thermoquad and the quadrajet carburetors and as most people say they are a Rochester design and in several Mopar and gm vehicles and that is actually wrong both are originally a Carter design, owned and then sold to Rochester carburetion company and they patented it immediately...
Thermoquad was a Carter, yes. I wouldn’t know anything about the Quadrajet. I’ve had exactly the opposite experience - I’ve had much better luck getting the Edelbrock carbs working right than old Carters. I’ve always thought they should be the same, but that hasn’t been my experience. The new AVS2 especially is great.
I have 2 Cbody but no real cop car but still fun cars
Yeah I never had a c body but a cop car would be cool
That's a Buford Pusser machine.
I'd greatly appreciate a thermoquad video. I have a thermoquad and could never get it to tune correctly. It drives me nuts.
It’s coming! It may be a couple weeks but I’ll absolutely get there. The well plugs shown in this video are the most common culprit these days - but I didn’t exactly show you how to fix them.
Hey, Jamie, is all that police car equipment, numbers matching? Lol
I mean the center console and light bar definitely aren’t. Lol.
waaaa WAAA!!!!
It had plenty of waaaa, but I never quite got the “WAAAAA!!” and that’s a bit of a bummer!
@@DeadDodgeGarage I am by no means a TQuad expert but I do know they made a lot of them. With a lot of variations. It could be your not full throttle thing could be a linkage/throttle cable mismatch. The one on my motor home 440 I got off the shelf. My shelf. I had bought it years before for an earlier 440 project and never used it. But it worked perfectly in the 440/4 speed truck setup. Might check those other cop cars in the faint hope there's one that hasn't been dicked with in order to compare.
@@Ross046 We've got a pile of Thermoquads, plus that really nice one in a box. Tom thought it was NOS but it has some random painted parts on it so I'm not quite sure about that. In any case, I've got lots of source material to go on - but no more time for the car at present. I got to thinking about it later, and realized it's very possible that the secondaries are not opening at all when driving, either due to throttle adjustment or a vacuum pod issue. The way the secondaries work on a Thermoquad is goofy and complicated, and I don't pretend to fully understand it - yet. When Tom was revving the piss out of it to test, it did look like the secondary blades were sometimes flopping open. One way or another it needs some more tender love and massaging.
Any for sale?
Not at this time.
Swap in a Holley or Edelbroken
Boooooooo
I have a good rear door off of a 73 Plymouth fury
Interesting. Are they the same? I wouldn’t know, but the Hergerts would
@@DeadDodgeGarage yes sir
Get it full throttle with lease
Lease? I’m confused. Haha.
It has the older truck style kickdown linkage….that you didn’t cover …haaaaaaaa
...It has the later one piece style linkage. That I covered. And showed a real world example of. :)
I have the third (?) style? I figured it out. It actually didn’t bottom out/back so I had to do what you did. But and bolt in back of slot. Your vid totally helped. Keep up the good work/help!
I have the third (?) style? I figured it out. It actually didn’t bottom out/back so I had to do what you did. But and bolt in back of slot. Your vid totally helped. Keep up the good work/help!
I have the third (?) style? I figured it out. It actually didn’t bottom out/back so I had to do what you did. But and bolt in back of slot. Your vid totally helped. Keep up the good work/help!
I have the third (?) style? I figured it out. It actually didn’t bottom out/back so I had to do what you did. But and bolt in back of slot. Your vid totally helped. Keep up the good work/help!
Thermoquad sucks. I use holly duel pumper. Had 440 and 400 engines. 1972 and 1973 good years. The 400's crankshaft thrust bearing was worn from to many fast take off. You could move the crank back and forth almost a 1/4 inch. Cars like this will never be made again.
Thermoquad can be good when it’s good and the stars align. It can also be crappy and untunable. The difference between the two is some experience and knowing where to look for problems. I prefer the AVS or AFB, but I take great pleasure in getting Thermoquads to work. I’ve had several small blocks with shot thrust bearings like that… that’s never ideal. I know it. That’s why I’m out here trying to preserve these relics and keep them going.
4:35 Nobody wants Karen attention. Do you even HAVE a manager?
Haaahaha. I’m not sure that I do
Gday ppl, when we wus kids the rumours were pursuit cars were Balanced and all that shit , it was lies yeah ? Cheers mate luv ya work.
I wouldn’t know if they got any better of a balance job than regular engines. I kinda doubt it, but obviously can’t say that for certain.
@@DeadDodgeGarage geez mate thanks . My Family doesn't respond that fast. Uz are so lucky over there , all we got was A bodies in oz . Wanna adopt a dad ?. Cheers