Warframe: Overframe Is AWFUL (How NOT To Build)
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
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so gloompilled, rangecore gloommaxxing peacefully in a defense mission
You will not make it through the summer
The streamers are the reason for the gloom builds .
@@cptfarzkizz8823 that's why we're all depressed
@@Sabuuchi just curious, why don't you think Vauban should be A tier? His flechette orb stacks with enemy level and overdrive with empower. You can also empower each flechette orb if you like. It is one of the few frames I think will be able to scale effortlessly in missions like survival and defense.
Rise up, fellow gloomers!
"Knightmareframe fears this build." 💀
That’s a good one 💀
Ofc he does it has 10 primed sure footed
Primed Magazine Warp Glaxion.
Where can I find a more accurate tier list?
@@Gildedbolt in a baby tennos note book
I find it funny how the Zephyr builds werent that bad since the only people who play Zephyr are Zephyr mains who probably only play Zephyr.
too much zephyr in one sentence for my brain to understand
@@furiuscatpl5541 good bird builds because bird mains only play bird
same reason why the xaku build was good
also as soon as I read the xaku build title I knew it was by someone who is actually fun
Zephyr.
Zephyr.
Yareli under Loki is peak comedy honestly.
i mean Loki is a Crowd control god
@@error_3754 not even close to a god. just a dubious little creature with soft cc and no innate damage potential, completely beholden to the power of a weapon you're using. Doesn't have own survivability and damage, which Yareli has in spades, on top of CC, and that leaves her with a helminth slot to do even more insane shit. Loki has his use, but in no universe is he better.
@@error_3754what time machine did you step out of? Lmao
@@error_3754 crowd control god? Absolutely not even remotely close
@@error_3754 no
So I can actually explain the tier lists(kinda)! Someone on the Brozime stream commented that the ratings aren't purged or reset, so for frames like Yareli and Grendel they aren't reset after their reworks and fixes. The updates I believe just add the new votes, rather than removing the old ones. Apologies if this is incorrect, but Overframe is also completely inscrutable and doesnt even show the number of votes. This also isn't a defense, to be clear; it's further condemnation.
Went over this in the vid. They are updated regularly and are averaged out by new votes. Most are still reflective on where the community places them overall.
@@Sabuuchi eh unless we have a higher weighting on new votes that’s still kinda taking on all the votes a frame still previously had and knowing Warframe players they aren’t going to vote twice or as you’re implying change their stubborn mind on frames even after relatively good changes
@@Sabuuchito be fair I don’t think that most people who were initially outraged by how shit these frames were are going to go back and correct their votes.
@@pixelmaster9964 also people arnt really going to go back and shit on an old good frame, Equi is still A because of legacy votes unbalanced with newer votes
@@Sabuuchi unfortunately, being "averaged out" just means that the large number of old votes submitted over many years or on the initial release far outnumber the new votes put in. Look at the votes for grendel and yareli and you can see a huge chunk of D rank votes that outnumber the rest, but still a large chunk off votes for the higher tiers as well. People just dont change their votes that they made in outrage.
Primed Sure Footed.
HUGE DPS UPGRADE.
Prime Sure Footed is Warframe's Wayward Compass.
It is absolutely fucking op.
To be fair, it is a little dps upgrade, courtesy of you not being down on your ass in groups of eximus units.
you have infinitely more dps when you are not dead
@@adrioumario1369 I am very confused about this statement, are you talking hollow knight? is the wayward compass in hollow knight somehow op? how is psf op also lmao
Most of the time, I have to forma a frame to use PSF. I feel lazy most of the time, so I just put in Handspring
Me when I'm in a "Make an absolute dogshit Warframe build with the most unwarranted confidence" competition and my opponent is ThEMoon85. Dude is honestly probably the one person most responsible for making Overframe as badly reputed as it is, because he ABSOLUTELY is manipulating something to ensure his builds are always at the highest popularity.
That and he has the world's most easily bruised ego. Literally seen the dude trying to start beef with other people because they questioned something on one of his builds.
When you ask somebody a question about their build and they start freaking out, you know the build is bad lmao
That name is familiar 😂 absolute tool everywhere on the site, probably the reason forma take a day to be built
actually true. I should make a greasemonkey script that hides their builds lol
i wouldn't be surprised if that guy bots his own overframe votes. all of his builds get massive numbers like he's a fucking celebrity or something, but when it comes to his comments there are usually like 0-10 of them. at the absolute maximum there's like 30-40 comments. where the fuck are the hundreds or even thousands of voters?
what about the ninjase guy?
It's a good thing Sab didn't check builds for Nekros. Pretty sure he would have exploded seeing fifth equilibrium+gloom set up in a row.
I feel like Nekros is one of the few Equil/Gloom frames that has some sort of validity
@@halcyon1644 Yup, he's one of the few where Gloom is objectively a good choice. He can keep it up easily, Gloom counteracts Terrify's running away mechanic and he can use Arcane Eruption alongside Gloom for shutting down entire rooms without having to do anything but just kill stuff.
Him and Banshee are like the 2 frames that really make sense for Gloom, don't get why it's so popular on Saryn to be honest, and I even removed it from Sevagoth coz there was more fun/better stuff to run on him.
@NinjaSyao I'd wager it's used on Saryn so much because she's both insanely good at killing things, the amount she can heal with it is _stupid_ based on that metric.
@@laynegrey2003it’s because the enemies don’t have to be in range of gloom for life steal to function, so gloom can keep her healed from spores that are still spreading four rooms over. It won’t save her in really long endurance runs but for most content it’s comfortable. The new Eclipse for 75% DR is probably better now since it lets her shields stay up longer, but old gloom builds still at least function.
Garuda is actually really good with Gloom because with that and her 3 you have infinite energy and almost infinite health since she can attack easily multiple enemies with her 1 and 4
The problem with Overframe tier list is, as told in the video, that it is more of a popularity contest than an actual metric of performance (Ignis S tier lol). Also, in my opinion, the list has too little tiers and it makes the existing tiers have not much consistency.
And there is a problem with the definition of tiers; what makes a weapon "the best of the best"? Its accessiblity? Its biggest possible dps? How many formas and/or how much of a setup it takes for it to be SP/lvl cap viable? Or is it the combination of it all? This makes it hard to accurately give a weapon/frame its rating, hence the proble with Overframe tier list.
It's also, just, like. Some weapons have a one thing they do good. The ones that delete the new deimos disruption necramechs, for example - is that what you want to run outside of that? hell no lmao
And at the same time, if you just wanna run SP survival or something, you can take just about any weapon, slap it on a Saryn built as a weapons platform (strength, range, shield gate, subsume xata's or roar depending on weapon) and make dudes explode. Long as it's got some way to hit lots of dudes, at least.
The real explanation is that old votes don't go away. Ignis wraith was amazing for a long period of time, but people don't remove or change their old votes, so it sits there. This explains a vast majority of the discrepancies. Previously good but super dated and outclassed warframe like loki, oberron, and trinity are still rated highly. Warframe released super bad like grendel and yareli, so people voted badly, and then didnt change votes when they were reworked and buffed. I dont expect people to be perfectly accurate in their votes, but this issue of not deleting old votes is causing the vast majority of misplacements.
The worst part is phantasma that's under It in A tier, the phantasma that can proc heat so fast that steel path enemies are easily deleted unlike ignis and has infinite punch-trhough
Another issue is that they don't refresh it, which means if a frame gets reworked, the tier list doesn't care after seven years of D-rank votes, Hydroid.
if theres anything ive learned from watching various warframe youtubers: its that literally everyone says that literally everyone else's builds are trash. use what you enjoy friends. dont listen to any of these guys.
Most of the points he makes are valid though. I agree play what you want but if you're going to go on a website and post your builds being like "this is the best build ever" and are wasting slots on useless stuff, people should point that out.
Better than "build however you want" is actually learning the game so you don't need to leech builds, and you'll know who's builds are good.
@NeightrixPrime i said use what you enjoy illiterate mf
@@NeightrixPrime that actually is part of the reason I agree with sab dunking on the builds- He's mostly reacting to the top builds on the site, and if someone doesn't know what makes a build good or bad they're just going to use the top build on the site assuming "hey it's at the top it must be good." They should learn what makes builds good or bad but these builds is just going to teach them the wrong lessons.
@@NeightrixPrime But still, even then, its always appreaciated when someone knows how to do the math and shares a min/maxed build for endgame, and not everyone is capable to cook those builds.
Buried along the thousands of trash builds in overframe you can find some pretty well written guides that just work, it's just a tiny part of them.
Even if you know your stuff, some warframes have more layers and interactions that i didn't know how to exploit, and that's when some of these builds are genuinely interesting. It's just there is no real way to curate top builds in such a site.
Armor archon shards on Mesa has me losing my mind.
AI generated looking ass builds
Archon shard*, singular, because ofcourse 150 is pumping up that survivability through the roof already.
I uh, put 4 on my mesa and it actually is kinda useful
1 tau isn't terrible tbh, her base armor is laughable (thus Umbral Fiber is bad) yet she usually functions as a healthtank. with +1 tau her armor goes from 135 -> 360, aka DR from 31% -> 54.5%. if you opt not to do this you are effectively taking 1.5x damage on health (from taking 45.5% dmg to 69% (nice)), or having to make up for it with Arcane Guardian or Health Conversion. or pillagetank or something but you get my point
@@Malurth Use her Shatter Shield FFS! it gives 90% DR when you put in minimal Power Strength!
the craziest thing about this is the valkyr with hunter adrenaline and umbral fiber while her hysteria makes her invincible...
This is ultime 200IQ move together with Sure Footed + Atlas
"HUUUUGE DPS INCREASE"
They probably aren't using Hysteria. A lot of people don't these days due to exalted melee weapons lagging behind standard ones.
@@xrufus7x468Also because not everyone wants to just be literally unkillable all the time, I do, but only if it took effort. Which is why I haven't touched Octavia since leveling the first time, waaay too easy
Yeah assuming the person building her was going for hysteria and it was a recent build it would be best to instead use precision intensify + augur secrets to balance out the other abilities instead of dropping 2 umbra forma to increase umbral intensify, it would make her 4 stronger + give her the augur bonus on the off chance you whip a rifle out and your shields pop
I consider myself an oberon fan, i bought his prime access back in the day, the fact that he is even looking at A tier is a fucking crime. His only redeeming quality right now is his saving throw augment for his entire team, thats it. He's completely outclassed by Styanax and is probably about to be outclassed again by jade
I mean, hes also completely outclassed by Citrine. Citrine doesnt have to pay Energy to give Regeneration, she gives Regen in Affinity Range, she can give 90% DR in Affinity range, Health Orbs basically on command, and force Red Crits with her 4. If you throw Pillage over her 3 you also get Armor Strip, Shield Strip and Status Cleanse. its really sad to see how Goat boy has fallen over the years, I remember Oberon being my second ever built frame, back when I started in 2017.
I mean he is outclassed by a sentinel mod for the 1 life missions as it even has less cooldown
@JustPixelNoIDontWantAnyNumbers
In the barest defence of Oberon, he can heal way more than Citrine, but that's about it.
It really sucks, Oberon was basically what convinced me to keep playing.
I miss the carpet so much.
Literally Oberon has 1 job currently and that's in plague star lazy meta runs as mindnumbingly simple armor strip of the boss, as wisp (assuming you can find 1 that's not a shock trolling scrub) can out do the passive regen by a lot and the 2 main overguard frames can provide more active survivability
It isn't a bad frame it's just been made obsolete by more modern frames just like frost and equinox where they aren't bad it's just there is something better for the job they used to be used for
Share build, I'm cooking his prime next
To be fair, the reason you use tempest barage with green Shards is because you put on Viral Tempest to get viral, corrosive, heat with just abilities. That will trigger Manifold Bond on Nautalis' cordon, which is really strong for protea. It works, but there are a lot of other alternatives.
huh maybe youre right. that makes sense actually. But then wouldnt the turrets have barely any use since youll probably end up killing enemies with tempest barrage in the first place? also Nautilus' cordon isnt really the best of grouping if your playstyle is to stay far and safe.
Oh yeah protea's 1 also already gives slash status no?
@@rivershen8954I like Sab don’t get me wrong but the protea triple green shards with viral tempest barrage makes even deep archedea a joke turret do millions of heat damage and your basically unkillable with no energy issues ever sooooooo
@@aDESTROYER_50 But Temporal Erosion is right there, save the green shards for other frames...
@@aDESTROYER_50 2 green shards is enough. Also as Tryburos says, and i paraphrase, "Even if you do a million damage per shot, if the enemy realistically only has 50k HP, youre still only doing 50k damage"
@@rivershen8954 3rd shard buffs damage to corrosive procd enemies and big number = happy chemical
Why bro spergs out at Equilibriumis
he sperged about the website, builds, and tier list. he just spergs. thats his shtick. cringe shit.
Equinox sisters...... one day we will get our rework. :(
One day DE has to make both versions of Equinox equally strong, and make it so we can play both in a not clunky state
If they brought the clone augment on par with the old Wuclone her usage you raise through the roof
Pray to Pablo
Equinox got a buff with Jade Shadows update. Damage rework and secondary fortifier arcane gives her more survivability. Equinox with Overguard +Energy Transfer Augment lets you build shield until you’re ready to pop maim. Been experimenting with solo steel path and you can very quickly build 2.5 mil damage as long as you have a weapon that doesn’t require damage buffs prior to being able to kill.
The main drawback is you need good energy efficiency or a way to supplement it. She really excels in Ascension and High Level SP Circuit runs. She’s not perfect now, but also not dead weight.
300 more assassinations
At least, after 300 more I may finally get the complete freaking set
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
The problem with overframe is that both builds and tierlist are based of total votes, with most of them being years old and not updated/re-voted.
Some builds on the "top weapons" havent been updated in years,for example the number 1 build for acceltra before acceltra prime released didnt use galvanized mods, and it had over 300 votes compared to the second one.
You're absolutely right, you get a lot of stuff like that. Like yareli on release was originally voted in D tier and she has been powered up like crazy and many people have just not bothered changing their votes. So she's C because of vote weighting. Also, I assume many people vote based on memory and what they've heard, not played, of a frame.
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if the "mag is shit" meme from 500 million years ago still has effect on Mag's placement.
That's why you filter by latest patch....
so this is how not to build, but why?
all i see is "haha this is awful" and then it switches to something else to repeat.
This is my first time on channel, how do I know you know these are bad if all you give is "its bad cuz said so"
Right? Content for content's sake, no substance. Probably an absolute JOY to play with, I'm sure.
Sabuuchi unfortunately turned from a nice warframe youtuber to an annoying elitist, just ignore this channel.
Not really about being an elitist. If you're new this probably doesn't make any sense and fair enough. But if you've played warframe and the frames in particular for this video you can pretty quickly tell why the builds are terrible just based off the abilities of those frames. If you are not new then you probably know why they're bad at a glance for the most part. Some of them had more redundancy than atlas with sure footed
"When xaku prime will be announced in 2 months"
Live sevagoth reaction:
I'm just glad we get more time with xaxu to ourselves. He's right, the gig's probably up when prime comes out and the community learns how to mod him correctly.
I like Equilibrium.
It's nice if you don't have a max rank Energize, and the Synth mod is a nice Sentinel filler mod
Then you will love purple archon shards
Assuming a KPM of 100, Equilibrium + Synth deconstruct is 25 energy/s and scales further, while Energize caps out at 10energy/s (and that's assuming you're proccing it at the right timing).
Also Protea's Dispensary gives Empowered Health Orbs, so standing on top of it with Equilibrium is 18.3energy/s on average at base strength without accounting for the energy orbs 22.425energy/s with them.
So yeah, I'd rather use cooler and way cheaper arcanes than Energize and still have infinite energy, tyvm.
@@raven_knight_076 that's a Helminth segment I have to grind for, two archon shards I have to grind for, and permanently fuse together quite a few times just to replace a mod for.
I know Deep Archimedean is an option now but I'd rather spend my time on something else, honestly.
@raven_knight_076 :0 there's purple crystals too (I'm so behind I never finished Duviri in launch)
Worth mentioning that old votes never get taken off, so if people don't revote then things keep getting held back. Example is how 77% of all votes on the torid place it in S tier but it still has D and C tier votes that keep the average low. Its an awful system.
also equilibrium is amazing if you run a synth deconstruct companion.
i just use this site to 1. question why people built something the way they did
and 2. dread how much forma im gonna have to dunk on a shitty weapon JUST because i had a horrible shower "what if" moment
I'm in the second phase, and somehow find enjoyment with it ahah) I just simply don't want to run same set of weapons. I've paid for my slots Imma use em all damn it!
@@TimesOldRoman now watch me slap on 5-6 forma on a ghoulsaw
@@shuples Buy a riven as well for total mental degradation build we cookin' now
Now I need an ambassador riven for my 6 forma cry for help build ahah
@@TimesOldRoman already rolled a CC CD riven
love seeing this while I'm desperately trying not to give in to investing 15 forma into the kulstar as my yareli weapon instead of the currently crafting akarius prime
Pillage actually counts as a channeled ability while it is deployed (before you gain your shields from it). That's 4 channel ability Hildryn with Intention, that's hilarious. Intention also heals you when it activates, meaning Pillage periodically working is actually great.
I love slash and breed procs!
Yareli mating press
slash and WHAT?
@@Sabuuchi what did he saaaaaaaaay
Breed? Hand me some of that good stuff your using
Garuda would like to have a worf
After the stream, I went to check Ember Prime builds, oops all Gloom or Nourish.
I'd also like to point out that the Gloom Protea is using an augur mod.
wh- really? I was using Breach Surge with Molt Reconstruct because I was too lazy to get Augmented :kek:
become heat pilled and subsume on Thermal Sunder with Thermal Transfer and Fireball Frenzy
Expedite suffering exists through sickening pulse, just saying.
Also wyrdscythes have been really fun on ember for cc and viral shredding.
hey! picking up ember, what's a good build then if not gloom lol
and where's some good places to pick up builds from?
@@austin9151 Personally I use her with Xata's Whisper on her 1 because it helps charging up incarnon weapons and dealing with enemy overguard while also keeping her caster gameplay, but if you want to use her as a full on caster, then you probably want roar on her 1 or anything else that will help with heat procs.
I thought chroma would be spared from the bullying today.
please god save him
I never thought to go all in on Range for Zephyr, I wanted Duration just so her three could last longer. I gotta go back in the kitchen and cook.
EDIT: Also Equilibrium good, cope.
her three needs a base duration buff honestly
@@its_deer What's Turbulence at base?
10 seconds @@lucasfraczek4320
@@lucasfraczek4320 20s at base
@@ariaangela3455 Oh that is horrendous, what the fuck DE...
The reason for the "future meta" tag on the tenet glaxion isn't for the build itself, but rather the slated changes to the cold status effect potentially allowing for the freezing of entire squads.
I agree on this tier list being wrong and having to many frames in A and B tier. Everyone should be and C tier and Limbo should be the only one in S tier.
Limbo should be in its own tier, the "Limbo" above S tier
Warframe in 2016 moment
Most sane limbo player:
ninjase actually has good builds though
Yes. I use a lot of them and then tweak. His Ocucor build is a great example, also his Day/Night Equinox.
100%, ninjase is one of the few people who genuinely know how to build and can explain his builds to people who don't know how to build. he's an actually good source of knowledge, and he's active in the official warframe discord server's builds channel. he's always happy to assist there... he's not a bad guy at all.
Heres my problem with the Overframe Hate, Yes it has many problems, but there is not a single other source of Text ,or picture based build guides out there. I despise watching 5-10 minute videos so some youtuber can explain a build when i can just read a description. There is no competition to Overframe, it has a monopoly over this part of the Warframe build space. So yes feel free to complain about how shit the website is, but until you or someone else makes a better one, i will still use it.
The average warframe clan has discord that shares builds
Umm, Warframe Builder? Hasn't it been around longer than Overframe too?
Overframe and youtuber builds are temporary, Ninjase builds are forever.
warframe isn't even that overly complicated unless you are specifically gunning for min-max shenanigans out of boredom. i maybe used overframe twice if only to get a point of reference on how to build a certain frame.
And people are extremists, every build in this video can complete SP, so they are not trash. People use those words for everything that isnt meta slave
Hey there! I'm actually the person who made one of the Caliban and Yareli builds in this video. Thanks for talking over some of my builds!
That Caliban build is actually one of my worst builds. When Caliban released I very much wanted to post a purely for fun Summoner build for him, and it just so ended up that that one blew up. It was posted originally the day after Caliban released! It was designed to just have fun with summoning his Conculysts and not really do much else! XD It hasn't been updated for a LONG time, and I was a bit sad to see you didn't check out my other Caliban build right underneath, which I tried much harder on and which I believe solves a lot of the problems with Caliban as a warframe, and with the other build in general.
As for the Yareli build, I think personally that build is pretty good, but I totally understand a lot of the criticism you mentioned. I have thought about swapping Arcane Avenger to Molt Augmented and using the freed up mod space for strength to run more Ability Efficiency for the Sea Snares from Loyal Merulina, and I've been going back and forth on it as that build mainly uses Yareli as a pure gun platform, with the Tenet Cycron. Still though, I really value the suggestions! Thank you!
Thank you for your contributions to the game, I love using your builds- they're simple and really helpful for a modding noob like me!
a good summoner build is subsuming warcry and building caliban for health an armor, meanwhile your sentients get stupid high attack speed and get hella tanky
that yareli build becomes immediately amazing with a synth deconstruct dethcube w/ helstrum. I actually assumed that's what you had in mind. all the conditional buffs become massively more consistent, with some free status priming from the helstrum. it's perfectly synergistic. only thing I could mention is that streamline is a bit redundant after all those energy sources.
but, yeah, I'm definitely trying this build out, it's fun twist on a health tanking yareli that I hadn't thought of, and just as someone who happens to main her, I think you did great on that!
@@_.violyse._ The one reason to run Streamline on top of all the energy sources is to reduce the Cooldown of Loyal Merulina's fired sea snares :) The cooldown is directly linked to efficiency. Thanks!
i personally dont mind what builds people use, the point is to have fun so hopefully your builds succeeded at that
This is the exact issue guns in Destiny have, realistically no average player really knows what a good build for high level content looks like so they just post what they think their idea of meta is.
That's a lie destiny guns are way to simple. I hate how every gun feels similar. It's not hard to make a raid build in destiny or a nightfall. Pretty much whatever gun plus well of radiance. Doing anything pass that is completely unnecessary. Destiny guns are way too Close In damage. Imagine if guns did 20 or 30 million difference in damage. Grenade launcher don't even feel aoe. Blast radius is miniscule. most perks are marginal increases. Most of time in destiny dps just isn't there because someone messes up. If everyone just doesn't die and empty clips. The boss will die. Tbh the real problem is what's the point of getting another gun if it's literally just the gun you have now but in a different color.exotics should have been the weapon standard tbh.
@@jaketheman1577 how many raid seals do you have
@@jaketheman1577I feel like we played two very different versions of Destiny 2
@RavenUwU605 I played since the game came out(destiny 1). I've done raid multiple times and have like 7k hours across a couple accounts. Destiny is just one dimensional. I even played after all my friends left and with no one to play with it made Destiny's flaws even more apparent.
@@jaketheman1577 how many flawless raids/lowman raids did you do in destiny 2
Whole video author try to criticize subjective tier liest with arguments like "I dont like it"
If I may, is there a reason Sabuuchi hates equilibrium so much?
Question I have as well
I'm assuming he was just alluding to Archon Shards, like Violet ones can do the same thing as Equilibrium
It's more of a waste of mod space if you think about it.
Same thing with Natural Talent cos of Amber Archon Shards
Of course not saying Archon Shards are always better
I mean at the start, Temporal Incenerosion Protea is right there but ppl have a build with double Emerald Archon Shards with Tempest Barrage subsume???? with it's Viral augment
its only good on frames that can generate health orbs and all the frames that have it in the video cant do that
Probably because it's being overused in general, but it's especially bad on frames without any health orb generation.
@@SlyRocko It's good on any frame if you use Diriga and Synth.
I just trust ninjase, his builds have yet to let me down, even though I do usually start goofing around with them a bit.
This is the way. Avoid themoon85 builds at all cost. Pray ninjase has a build.
DE should just give up on one update to revamp all the frames that were left behind, because, sure, we have 50+ warframes but 10 or so of them are borderline unplayable without heavily investing in them
Bordeline unplayable where tho? Level Cap?
@@klondikelegitski675 did you even read my comment properly?
You think DE is made of money? Everything said just screams money.
@@klondikelegitski675I mean I think frost is fine as he is now but bare minimum he needs some qol changes that keep him in line with the present, and vauban totally can shred in steel path but three of his #2 balls aren't really worth using
@@jaketheman1577 could you elaborate? What does money have to do with this?
why is equilibrium hated so much, especially on protea? if you have a source of health orbs and flow it can be really good and sometimes even allows you to bypass energize
The key is in the "if" part. Most warframes do not have a reliable way to generate health orbs, and the slot is wasted on something that could be better for the specific build
@@BetaDude40 So you think protea doesn't have a reliable way to generate health orbs? Also, health orbs are pretty much everywhere if you actually use companions.
threatening to kill someone and their whole family over a warframe build is some peak scitzo shit. seek help.
To be fair a warframe tier list is nonsensical considering every frame feels good to play in the late game with the right build.
Khora, Revenant and Mag not on S tier however is criminal.
Weapons do need a tier list tho. Some completely outperform most other weapons. Others can be very underwhelming.
@@jacksheldon8566 Torid is an example of the former. Harpak is an example of the latter...
3:39"ignis is only good for starchart and early steelpath" so 90% of the content in the game.
I'd argue that Ignis (Wraith), is good for the entire game with a few exceptions. Torrid incarnon is clearly just better than it but is a different kind of weapon. And as is increasingly clear, many people don't even touch steel path and even fewer do it outside of the daily steel path missions. People need to realize that "The steel path" isn't some boogie man that's going to stomp their ass, with a decent build they'll easily roll most of it.
Equinox in A teir while frost and hydriod are in B is actually insane
I use Equilibrium with my Protea alongside Combat Discipline so I can get infinite energy with her dispensary.
You can execute my ass now Saab.
You don’t need to lose heath anymore to get energy from heath orbs.
@@AAAAHHHHHHHHHH Still, the build works good like that, and I like that in low levels I can just heal everyone by just wiping the floor with the enemies
@@lagartopunkarra it would work the same without combat discipline and a different aura mod of your choice
@@lagartopunkarra he is saying you dont need combat discipline at all now. you can go for something else like idk enemy radar or corrosive projection or growing power
I feel like there's no point to a tierlist in warframe.
Want a good build, do it yourself.
There's about 14 billion mods with maybe 30 being useful. Figure it out.
From our host here to across the FrameTube producers, nobody agrees on anything.
dude i actually yelled when i saw heavy cal on that phenmor
i have half a mind to excuse the frame choices because there seems to be a general understanding that not all frames are universally good in all missions and people seem to gravitate towards preferred frames for aesthetic reasons (usually resulting in them huffing cope to justify their picks as "SP meta" when in reality they really like the look of embers ass in the graxx tennogen for example) doesn't excuse the builds on offer and definitely doesn't excuse the weapon list
yeah dude, the burston prime is b tier, the gun that turns enemies into fucking red math is b tier
Just repeating what I've said in a response to a comment here:
Content Creators could probably, actually pool enough resources together to create an alternative. Especially if larger ones and partners get onboard with it, it would genuinely be a help to the still growing Warframe community at large.
Honestly, DE could stand to have an official site for this kind of thing at this point, they already have steps in that direction with the Arsenal add on on Twitch; they could probably integrate it in to their app. It would also help them track down problems with balance as a bonus. Kind of perplexed with their community involvement compared to other devs, that they don't actually have something like this already.
Overframe is garbage, but its convenience is what draws people to it. It's more convenient than a RUclips video and more convenient than a write up in a Discord server. People will almost always choose convenience first, you can just look at the tech landscape and see that yourself.
Unfortunately, the group running Overframe has a general monopoly over tier lists and builds for large games; given how long they've been around (they've been around since at least the Halo 3 days). It'd be nice to see something pop up to compete as an alternative.
People underrate Grendel so hard. He needs some investment, but he absolutely wrecks steel path.
Only place he struggles is boss fights without enemies to eat.
Nyx prime is goat, armor strip and subsumed equinox ability to increase damage done hits HARD. fourth for invulnerability with augment to move and 3 to cc during those occasions when shit gets bad or you need to protect a moving target. I only bring this up because i use nyx for boss fights and it's honestly a great experience. Only weakness is if you let infested disrupted enemies get close because the energy drain will leave you seething lol
I spent like nearly 2000 hours before I actually tried Overframe at some point.
This was during the whole shield gate meta and it instantly made me hate the site and try to keep new players away from it as much as possible.
Whats the hatred for equalibrium?
For real, I use it on my Nekros Prime and it makes the fucker immortal.
@@lucasfraczek4320Thats a very specific situation, since Nekros's passive lets him create guaranteed health orbs on kill. On most other frames equilibrium get way outclassed by so many other types of energy and health generation that it's not worth the mod slot. The joke hatred probably comes from all the people who call it a god tier mod.
@@tayloraltmiller9529 True, it's just that with Despoil it feels even more cheese on Nekros, forgot to mention I had that Augment on along with Shadows of the Dead.
its only good on frames that can generate health orbs and all the frames that have it in the video cant do that
@@bouncybob1780 Disagree on protea, one third of her dispenser is health orbs.
Warframe meta players be playing this game like it's darksouls that requires some wild builds, while actually this game is a minecraft on peaceful mode. I made a weapon that can clear sp by literal accident. Relax guys
Truly it really boils down to just quitting on watching these warframe slop videos and visiting these websites with "build this, build that" nonsense. Just gotta teach yourself all the damage mechanics, mod mechanics, and how to mod accordingly, most of all, just do whatever is fun and managable, I'm out here running patagium and aero vantage because it's awesome to float in the air for no reason
Those fools dont even know how to mod the MIGHTY SEER
Dude do you have a life?
why are you hearting this fucking cringe
Maybe, maybe not. But he does have a MIGHTY SEER. Do you have a MIGHTY SEER?@@KungFuBarbie-pc7hb
@@KungFuBarbie-pc7hb The mighty seer is life.
Master, I embraced the power of MIGHTY SEER as you told me. It does not need mods. Actually, it's mods that have a need in the MIGHTY SEER. It is the MIGHTY SEER's above divine MIGHT that makes them what they are.
7:06 This is actually a super nice playstyle for Protea that I actually just used today to easily solo Elite Archimedia. You use Tempest Barrage with green shards and the augment to apply corrosive & viral and armor strip the enemies, and then the blaze turrets take care of the rest. Trust me, they cooked! 😂
damn never thought i would see you here
Equilibrium good. Also, am I crazy or aren't galvanized shot / aptitude mods good with raw damage mods (serration, heavy caliber) on *some* weapons because they give multiplicative damage? 7:42 , yeah the heavy caliber on Phenmor is bad, but galvanized aptitude is ok?
it's because most weapon arcanes already give damage and arcane damage+ with mod damage + are additive not multiplicative so if you unlocked sp you will probably never use serration or heavy caliber anymore unless you are doing a very specific build
@@danilim7529 While that is true and it's also what I use on most builds I feel like sometimes it's really hard to keep up merciless on some weapons (especially auto viral slash weapons) so putting a serration just to have a baseline to ramp up with is better. I've had that happen to me on more than one build.
On the Phenmor none of that really matters cuz you already get the incarnon bonus. With or without base damage arcanes / mods on the Phenmor galvanized aptitude is just a good choice (if it works multiplicatively).
@@tymothy4618 wdym its hard to upkeep merciless with viral slash builds? Merciless still stacks even if enemies die from slash procs
@@rivershen8954 If you're on higher level SP missions, if your gun doesn't have base damage mods just merciless the slash procs will still kill but it might take around 2 or 3 seconds to do so. So on lua conjunction survival missions where there is a shit load of enemies yeah you'll ramp up. But on other missions you might struggle getting more than 1 or 2 stacks of merciless. A serration will just make the process quicker overall and if there isn't a better mod in slot it's a decent choice. Obv I'm not talking about god tier weapons here like Torid. I know I had that problem with the Stahlta and a +dmg riven made the weapon so much easier to use (while still using merciless). (Also yes I know almost every time a bane mod is gonna be way better in slot but I hate bane mods)
@@tymothy4618any slot you COULD put serration in
Should be a faction mod instead
Pls upload all ur builds on overframe so we can use them instead
It feels like people who are deluded into thinking their meme choices are good are who votes for overframe tier ratings.
I feel like people will think their stuff is good if they get a bunch of kills in archon hunt 2nd missions even if they have single digit damage percentage done.
I am going back to forgetting overframe exists.
The build editor can be useful for planning builds. You can put a full build on a frame and see if it meets the requirements for whatever you're planning with your abilities before you start using forma. It's less useful for an experienced player but for a new player, it can be a helpful learning tool.
The downside is that the new player might get lured into the trap of just using someone else's build without understanding it and never learning how to mod.
I play with overframe builds and so far they didn't let me down once anywhere
Wtf is Qorvex in B tier? He is my boy, my demon core fella, my slopenheimer, the absolute nuke machine
Dont understand the Equilibrium hate honestly, been using it with a health orb generating Panzer cat and its how ive solved energy on my Nezha.
"Bro just invest 4 purple shards on the warframe"
Overframe may be bad, but it helps me build
I'm sorry.
Overframe is fine. Stop letting RUclipsrs gaslight you.
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional If you're the majority of players who dont even know SP exist
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional It's not fine if you're doing anything outside of star chart, and if that's the case, you can slap on any mods in any order and be perfectly fine.
It's decent for seeing what the stats of a something will be for planning a build before you start spending forma.
7:14 So I can answer this, he's casting gloom when protea's passive proc happens for an extra 100% strength, as gloom is a channeled ability and thus keeps that extra 100% strength until the ability turns off. Then recasting it again as molt augmented gets stacked. 84% become 244%, which isn't the 95% slow cap, but it's still pretty substantial mid 80ish% slow.
Im a newer Warframe player and I've been using Overframe for a while as a guideline for how to build and what weapons to get. Is there a better alternative for community builds and general info like that? I feel bad that im not gettin the right info after using it for so long
Yeah um warframe doesn't have the best community. Ingame it's one of the friendlier communities. But reddit and especially youtube is full of elitist schizos.
As for what to build - look into what damage types do (the status effects)
Viral is meta for lategame, because it reduces max health %
Removing armour from enemies is also important late game (that is done through warframe abilities mostly)
Anyway honestly just learn the game, don't follow "guides". It's a lot more rewarding.
If you "must" be guided check the Kengineer on youtube, he explains a lot of mechanics well.
Btw warframe wiki is your best friend ;)
To add on to what Demo's said, Warframe has such a power ceiling at higher level that you don't *need* the absolute best builds to do most content, so play what you like, test different configurations to see what works and what you enjoy, and don't get too hung up on the math. Kengineer is a great source for the numbers behind things, and OverFrame's *builder* reports the math very well if you just want to make a pure number comparison without having to go into the simulacrum.
@@zDemoGODz Ty for the tips! This helps a lot as I’ve just reached Steel Path and I’m wanting to upgrade my gameplay a bit. I’ll keep this in mind!
@@AGrumpyPanda Gotcha, I was under the impression that one build is popular amongst a lot of players since it’s the strongest. I used to play a lot of Genshin where the building system in that game is pretty similar so I have a better understanding of how to go about things now. Tysm!!
@@Yeahitsjin The problem is the majority of people play well below the 'endgame' content and wouldn't know what an optimal build looked like if you slapped them with it. That's not a problem, it just means what's popular doesn't equal what's best.
I feel like it's important to note that the majority of the players that are voting on these tier lists likely aren't even doing Steel Path.
They're not the youtubers that derive their income from warframe content. They're certainly not doing any mission past 30 mins. They're probably not doing omnia fissures. Probably not doing netracells or EDA. These are the people that play maybe a few hours a week.
00:48
"What are you doing here Equinox?"
"Oh nothing, casually doing 70 million aoe slash hits to the entire map every 5 seconds."
Mmm x to doubt 70mil every 5 seconds. You gotta kill stuff to stack up the damage, remember?
@@zDemoGODz One heavy strike with a melee weapon like ninkana prime, azothane or harmony does over 150 million to a single target, which instantly gives 50% of its damage to equinoxes slash gauge numbnuts.
I'm relatively new, and I use it as a general guide as to how people use the frames. I don't use the tier list as an end all be all, but as a "this is pretty good, this isn't too great"
Overframe took away my wife and kids and ruined my life, wouldn't recommend it. 👎
It's a cruel world, isn't it?
@@13lueBomber Yes 😔
vauban is pretty nuts when built correctly, they're kinda' like octavia in that they have infinitely scaling damage based on enemy level and you can double boost his turrets with nourish viral damage and procs.
YES, but they are NOT in the same tier as Khora or mf Kullervo/Volt, they are LEAGUES apart
Yeah, he's good. But nowhere near the same ballpark as many A-tiers around him.
Yeah, for real! I started forma'ing the Vauban Prime I had collecting dust for a few years after I'd gotten the mastery for (mostly because I started hyperfixating on the ttrpg Heart: The City Beneath and wanted to make a Vermissian Knight character modelled after his aesthetic), and even with a scuffed build that can't fit half the planned mods it needs it still does okay. Once he's properly forma'd he may even be a new main for me!
@@teocappy I'm pretty sure the tier list on overframe is based on vibes
@@ZomgLolPants I'm not saying it isn't, Vauban is a great frame and i love playing with and as him, but he can't compare to the likes of Khora or Saryn, its not even fair for the trainman
as an Equinox (and Harrow) main
yeah she's absolutely a low B or high C warframe like lets be honest she needs too much effort to work, and even then she's still not good enough. she's even more painful to build properly because her base stats are so ass.
should do a series of you trying overframe builds and rating them i think it would be fun
Equilibrium can be good with dispensery and synth fiber to have infinite energy,and when combined with valkyr,can allow you to spend whole missions invincible. (Doesnt work in duviri)
You don't even need synth fiber
@@notaveryinterestingperson without it,you need to take damage to pick up the health orbs,synth fiber is to use orbs while at full health
@@Djmclazer You don't lol. Read the patchnotes or test it yourself in game.
@@Djmclazerit was changed w/ dagath
@@Djmclazerbros livin in 2023
genuinely what's with the equilibrium hate; it's a solid source of energy after the buff esp with a synth deconstruct companion, but isn't dependent on it to function
Bro u ain't need the synth mod no more big dog. U can use the synth mod anyways though it's alright. Personally is use a bond mod instead. So many good bond mods.
You can use shards instead, i think thats why he doesnt think its good.(If you have enough of them you free a mod place)
@@bob-px3sh some people like a perpetually filled secondary to swap to... i too like bond mods; makes the game impossible to lose short of objectives.
Oi! I’m with you except when you single out Loki. We’re allowed to like bad frames as you said and had you simply said he objectively deserves to be ranked lower then fine but you said he does nothing and that’s different. Loki is an immortal warframe with true invisibility, outright damage immunity if you augment his Switch Teleport, and countless ways of making his decoy break the enemy AI or just be augmented to a good state. He’s also the ultimate crowd control warframe and not just by exploiting his first ability but by augmenting his fourth ability and watching it freeze an entire map in its tracks. Plus his lack of direct damage dealing abilities means that he’s able to be modded for something other than Strength unlike 99% of the frames in the game (not all, not all the time, but it’s a lot of Strength).
@7:45 doesn't -Accuracy mean bullets spread further from the center of the reticlw and -Recoil prevents the weapon from swaying too much.
Correct. The logic is that the increased spread means you have a higher cone of effect, and thus a larger area of potential headshots to charge incarnon.
Genuine question, where do you recomend us to look for builds?
Ask literally any high MR dude in region chat, avoid QnA chat like the plague though it's FILLED with trolls and people spreading shit builds
I can also recommend discord servers and popular clans, most of the veterans there who have played consistently for years will have an updated and strong build for everything
ninjase is a big exception here, dude is a legend
The site allowing me to skip bullshit theatrics of creators on youtube alone instantly makes it better without even factoring in people line Ninjase just has better builds than anything you'd find on RUclips.
This whole video is bs theatrics, too. "It's bad." OK, why? Zero details. Just a video drenched in negativity for content's sake.
As someone who has Equinox in my top 5 played frames...
Equinox certainly can be better than Grendel.
Sure Equinox can certainly be better if ur dogwater at Grendel
@@ew264 Hahaha. No.
@@SeanPAllen I mean youre wrong but sure… Every frame is viable and if u like Equinox then play her but Grendel is FAR better. I understand that you have a massive inferiority complex and cannot take a hit to your ego but you will have to face reality. Equinox is bad, Grendel is pretty good.
@@ew264 The irony is palpable. Have a great night.
@@SeanPAllen You are not an intellectual
Is there a particular reason that he hates gloom so much? Or does he just hate anything considered popular or meta?
its too over used and its jsut gotten boring
I understand how Gloom Works but I don't understand why it's Freaking Everywhere. 🤔
The Same goes for *Nourish* we already Mod for Viral and use *Zenurik* ..... So why Nourish ? 🤔
@@lookalike4805 nourish provides energy multiplier, so it's great for anyone who can generate energy by himself (like with archon stretch or innately like styanax), so it's best all-in one of energy/viral priming
Zenurik is baby's energy regen way, madurai and naramon become far more useful in late game aswell
@@lookalike4805 nourish gives viral without the need to mod for it, and since most enemies are weak to corrosive/radiation anyways. you also get multiplier for energy orbs instead of zenurik's which is just a slow energy regen in a small area
Again... I know what it does.. 🤔
As a diehard Oberon main, Overframe is not ready for the build I have honed over the years.
That's also how you know these people have never done Steel Path. Oberon is nowhere near high B tier; he needs SO much fucking help; not even number tweaks; I'm talking a full on rework. 100% D tier.
Hydroid not being at least A is crazy, his rework has made him such a solid frame now. He has loot gathering with Tentacle Swarm, Plunder gives him over 1k armor making early steelpath a joke, not to mention the corrosive damage buff it gives, Tidal Surge gives you movement and s as well as status immunity if you run the augment. I usually helminth off Tempest Barrage so i don't use it enough to vouch for it.
Sevagoth being in A is hilarious. He get a buff i didn't notice? Because dude outside of gloom he is kind of mid at best.
And i have said it before Mag is easy A tier for Magnetize alone.
Bro who the fuck thought the Tigris Prime should be in A tier
Probably a Fault in the way Votes are Tallied. 🤔
The meta from 8 years thought so XD
next time you have a problem with a build, maybe tell us why? not make us feel like a bunch of fools sitting here and thinking "that build looks fine, whats wrong with it?"
the issue is that at most im going to say somewhere around 5 percent of players actually go past base starchart, where literally everything is S tier.
the site itself is ran by apes. an annoying amount of mods dont have proper descriptions, same goes for warframe abilities, none of the incarnon weapons have options to add incarnon evolutions, you cannot add archon shards to frames, and it can take literal weeks for the site to be updated with new items, or update old info, like how it took them OVER A YEAR to update grendels kit after it got changed. and their damage calculator is awful
So the thing is, votes don't reset. The tier list is 'updated' but if someone went on overframe 3 years ago and voted ignis s tier and torid b or c tier those votes are still in there, regardless of how the meta or the gear itself changed since then.
I use overframe regularly to plan out builds so I know how many/what forma I need, and sometimes to look at a few builds to see if there are any synergies or fun ideas I missed. For that it's great. For actual build advice it's shit.
Judging by the way this guy critiques builds, I'll definitely never take any info from him. Also, pretty annoying humor.
whats the hate for equilibrium?
Man, this aspect of the community is so toxic. Someone makes a build and there's always someone that writes a complete essay about how it sucks if they put some effort in the response, otherwise just say its shit without any sort of feedback.
Then if you start using that person's builds instead (assuming they share their so called godly ultimate build), guess what, there'll be someone in the comments saying the build is shit, and the cycle continues. Sigh, it's just a tiring and constant battle of egos in the build guides space.
These builds work for the average player, the most veteran ones probably don't even need build guides anyway.
i have like 6-700h in warframe and i still have no clue how building works. And unless i basically want to go back to highschool and read the wiki for hundreds of hours, literally the only options to build my weapons and frames is either taking horrible builds from overframe OR taking horrible builds from youtube. lowkey frustrating ngl.
same. and I love how absolutely EVERYONE says their builds are the right one and everything else is trash, youtube, overframe, discord, reddit, etc doesnt matter the place its always about me me me
Genuine question because I recently returned to the game.
If overframe is this bad. Where should I go to learn how to build weapons/frames and also see what's good/bad/mid?
i also dont understand, warframe's official discord server has a channel dedicated to builds and all, but its really confusing and if you ask for help on modding, they tell you to get good and to look into said channel
warframe really needs to get better in that aspect tbh
My recommendation, go to the search bar and search the weapon, and avoid videos from thefthardsquad, knightmareframe, and so on.
Look for lower view count on builds from channels in the same vein as mcgamers, coolkid, more meme channels, I can go on, but just avoid the larger CCs.
I can't say much about sites like overframe
Torid A tier got me CRYING DUDE 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Equinox's entire DPS relies on her other squad member's DPS (plus her own). Whether that's a plus or a minus varies based on where's people use her. She could give crazy Power Strength buff on the Circuit with the right decrees and help speed up Circuit stages, but she's kinda meh in everything else without hyper optimization.
As for her Night form, there are other frames that are more specialized for that role and can do the job better.
I agreed with the entire video but there were a few comments:
The tier lists being "updated" doesn't mean anything because old votes don't get removed. A majority of Hydroid's votes are in D from when he was one of the worst frames, and you can see he's gotten a lot of higher tier votes but the existence of those super old D tier votes completely outshadow the new votes. If Overframe purged votes older than a year the rankings would change drastically.
Looking at base Oberon instead of Oberon Prime for up-to-date builds is doing him a disservice. Once the prime comes out nobody looks at the base frame for builds.
Also, THeMooN85 has done irreparable damage to the website and I'm surprised you didn't mention it.
all jokes aside, as a newer player who just recently got into SP, where do you recommend I get builds from? I obviously lack experience and knowledge to make my own builds cause i’m too stupid for that, so where can I learn or copy builds from that consistently are pretty good?
Most 'bigger' warframe YTers make at the very least passable builds so try copy them even tho some only do endgame builds so you need to change depending on what you need(likely dont have quite a few mods) but most of them explain why you have certain stats
Get them from your Brain ...
Where do you think the People who share their Builds get their Builds From ? 😳
@@lookalike4805 wow it’s almost just like.. I just said I’m a brand new player, I started a week ago. I could do research on understanding mod combos but that will only take me to a limit until I spend more time in the game understanding them, so thanks.
@@Zopeee thanks I appreciate it! do you have any particular youtubers in mind you’d recommend?
@@user-ph1lu1gh1u i think the Kengineer and LeyzarGaming are pretty fine. LeyzarGaming shows builds for both new and old players. MCGamer shows fun builds to mess around with any weapon.
Anyways, stay away from KnightmareFrame is all that i ask of you. He is a big meme in the community, known for always telling people to build Primed Sure Footed (he even put it on Atlas, which has knockdown immunity anyways when youre on the ground)
Wait what’s wrong with equilibrium?😭
Nothing, Sab just stuck in 2020 when it worked differently
Equinox is A cuz her sleep and support skills for allies. Khora, Mirage, Wukong, Vauban, and Ivara are all S tier imo. Especially Mirage, like how... community based tier list. If it were accurate, based on "standard role of the warframe," then lots more of them would be in S tier with a description
Glad someone else is enjoying invulnerable loki. Fun fact, the invulnerability cannot be removed as far as I can tell. Nullies and falling in pits doesn't strip it.
If not over Frame then where we go?
just learn to build youself
@@CoffeFilter I've been playing for ten years, but it would be hubris to assume I can't still learn as it evolves and changes
To be more clear, what other resources is there other then over Frame? Cause over Frame is fairly dominant
you should post you testing some of the cool builds maybe as shorts
Xaku has already been nerfed pretty badly with the scaling changes giving a sizeable increase to health for even base SP enemies. Armor never really existed for him to begin with so the changes to armor mean nothing while the health increase is just a direct nerf to his damage output.