Thank you for this video! I only occasionally collect them, only because I didn't understand them. Now I do! Your videos are wonderful and very helpful.
Thanks for the update with the mlcc. I'll pick a few here and there if it's older equipment. Other than that I generally leave them be. Can be quite a tedious task with the smaller ones. Thanks for the time spent filming and editing the video
I can't begin to tell you how much it means to me that these videos are helpful for you - thank you. Like you, I'm amazed when I see how many times some of my videos have been watched.
Fantastic Explanation - You have just a Great Knack of telling us - we here Love it - Great Video and keep Safe and Greetings from us here in Australia !!!!
I understand completely Nacho. I keep them all in the same container, but as business has gotten so busy, I find myself depopulating less and selling more. It's a natural part of the hobby becoming a business. Wanted to let you know that RUclips is acting up a little and not letting me respond to some comments. A couple of yours are in the mix. This happens sometimes, but I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.
@@sharkscrapper I feel ya my friend. I have had the same problem lately. I don't take any of it personally. I appreciate your help with the things you have have helped with. I am learning a lot from your videos. Keep up the good work. This was an older video too so that might be part of the problem. Keep up the good work.
I remove the larger ones and the ones and put them together. I suppose when I get a rather large amount I can sort through then. That or I’ll just sell the lot and let someone else separate them. Great video!
I was told by someone not to use a hard drive magnet. They will pick up some noble metal ones because of the nickel. Have you tried with a magnet like out of a magnetron and see if it makes a difference?
You can use the HDD mags just hold them a little further away as I do. A magnet's pull decreases rapidly with distance. I have no doubt that I am collecting some NME's with the BME's in my process. But I'm ok with that to ensure the NME's I do keep are as "clean" as possible. That way if I decide to sell I know I'm selling good product. If you're going to extract the Ag and Pd yourself, then having some BME's in your mix is no big deal other than wasted acid.
Funny you made this video while watching Ewaste Ben's video, in that video he explains about MLCCs and to not use neodymium magnets because they are to strong and will pick up the ones that have sliver, palladium and nickel too. This is the reason why I have never found a non magnetic one 😅 I just collect them all, by the time I can fill a bucket I'll look into refining 😂👍👊
Yes and in my video I explain that all one needs do is hold the magnet a little further away. As you know the magnetic "pull" decreases with distance. In my video we see NME's remaining with 1/4" spacing. If I increase the distance I'll get more MLCC's left behind, the question is how many BME's remain in the mix. I want as "clean" a mix as possible.
Very informative, thank you. Now, not to throw a spanner in the works but, I'm sure I heard recently (possibly it was Ewaste Ben) NOT to use a neodyneum (SP?) magnet from a hard drive because it will pick up most of the MLCCs even some with the precious/noble metals in them. But instead, to use a regular magnet from a speaker or something. Maybe you could test this out and then have 3 lots of MLCCs, true (non-magnetic), imposter (a bit magnetic) and fake (totally magnetic). Might be an idea for a follow up video just for information even if you and others decide to only sweep with a strong magnet and keep the true PM MLCCs. Take care, Poo
No worries poo. It's no problem using the strong neodymium magnet, one just needs to hold it further away to reduce the strength of the magnetic field. My goal is to have as clean a NME stack as possible. I can always resort the remaining MLCC's with the magnet further away but without testing the precious metal levels of each group, I won't really understand what I'm getting anyway.
@@sharkscrapper Yeah, kind of uncharted waters here. The only channel I can recall trying to get paladium (I think, actually it might have been platinum), was Cody's Lab trying to find it out of roadside sweepings. He was working on the theory that some precious metals may have been coughed out of the exhausts of cars (and their catalytic converters), and if that was so, it would surely settle in the sweepings at the side of the road. Take care, Poo
@@poosmate You know Poos, I believe I saw that video. It's a few years old correct? They were going after platinum. I found a video by Backyard Scrapping on magnetic MLCC's. The yield was terrible, something like .45 g of Ag from 100g of magnetic MLCC's. No measurable Pd.
I’ve been collecting them since I saw your videos.. I haven’t been keeping them separate I will do that thou .. as always thanks for your help shark 👊🏻
Happy to help and sorry it took me so long to get this together. What I thought was going to be some quick fact checking took me down some very interesting rabbit holes.
Shark Scrapper it’s all good brother .. I’m glad it took longer just for the simple fact that your where able to learn more .. I’ve said I once and I’ll say it again tour a great teacher and I appreciate you 👊🏻
Best video on RUclips hands down!! This was absolutely perfect! Great explanation and how to do it!! I have now subscribed to your channel! Just wondering if you have any video on blue/ brown capacitors? I guess the older the are the better!
I am very pleased that you liked the video so much. Welcome to the channel. When you say, "blue/brown capacitors," are you referring to the epoxy dipped tantalums?
@@sharkscrapper they look a bit like the tantalum but tantalum are usually more yellow and longer and thinner. The older dip mlcc brown or tan ones yeild 20g palladium per 1000g which is not bad plus 100g silver. But there's way better then that. Look for the older soviet item and lots of them will have the green squares. These little buggers yeild up to or more the 60grams pd per kilo.
I think I missed something. Looking at this chart, about the coating layers of metal on the end of the MLCC, both NME and BME have nickel as the middle layer and nickel is magnetic so what you are picking up with a magnet are both kinds. That's no help.
The NME/PMEs have a much lower concentration of nickel and only respond to strong magnet fields. Since I was using a neodymium magnet very close the MLCC's I picked up a large number of them. Had I held the magnet further away, or used a weaker type of magnet, I likely would NOT have picked up as many. Serious refiners have either come up with a standard they use to optimize their yield OR they just process them all together and accept additional effort is needed to get the PMs.
@@sharkscrapper Hi. "The NME/PMEs have a much lower concentration of nickel and only respond to strong magnet fields." It was my understanding that the metal end caps conductors and the internal conductor in the ceramic were made from nickel in both NME and BME and then plated accordingly. The only lower concentration of nickel is the size of the MLCC.
@@Alex-kp3hr now its time to do a good a deal and buy dirt cheap magnetic mlccs 😂. If you look on ebay there are somme real cheap for sale and for sure the seller has tested them with a magnet . These scrappers that come with these ideas are not refiners.They sell to refiners.
I am a relatively new to scrapping and still learning about all the different forms of various precious metals to be found on boards. We save the pallaium and tantalum among other things but this video brought new information to light. I had no idea about magnetic and non magnetic. I do have one question though......Any MLCC's that are magnetic, should they be tossed into the ewaste bin for the regional recycler to deal with or do they just go to garbage? I don't want to have to put anything into the garbage that I don't have to. As well, someone had mentioned using a magnet from a speaker? I assume they mean a very small speaker?
My recommendation is just keep them all together and not worry about it until you are ready to process them. When you're ready to process you'll have learned a lot more than you know now, and will be better prepared to decide how to handle them. If you decide to sell them, the buyer will tell you if they want them seperated.
I picked the bigger ones... and just found out via your method that pretty much all of them are worthless. ;) So I will in the future only check on top quality equipment, what type they are. Medical, high tech and telecom stuff.
I wouldn't say they're "worthless" but they may be worth less. It all depends on your buyer or if you're refining yourself what level of contamination you're willing to accept.
That last picture looks like a really dark one, which I believe would be a resister instead. I'm purely doing what Ben is doing. Saving them for the palladium content as it will eventually go up due to scarcity.
sharkie neodymium is way too strong and will pick up 99% as you use weaker magnet your sorting will be more accurate as you using such pawerfull magnet nickel layer will stick anyway as you use a weaker one all nme after little shake will fall of tho see you had few pieces what non stick even to neodymium so it means there is another type what have no nickel in i guess and the question is what they have instead??? for sure some non magnetic
It is easy enough to hold the neodymium a little further away. My goal is to ensure my NME collection is as pure as possible, so some loss is acceptable. I may resort the magnetic pile with the magnet further away just to see what we get.
I do collect, I don't sell my boards, so I don't take chances on trashing anything. Have containers for everything. After all one of these days those worthless black aluminum capacitors might be worth something. Lol Thanks for the info and the time you took for this.
I understand Donnie and will admit to being conflicted on some of what I sell. There's no easy or clean decisions when it comes to what to keep vs sell. In the end, we all do what feels right to us based on the knowledge we have at the time.
Hi, Ive asked a couple of other people talking about MLCC's & have yet to receive an answer, can someone tell me how to identify resin dipped MLCC's please?
Another timely video. I have plenty of boards that I've been thinking of taking MLCCs off, sitting in the garage. Im not going ahead anymore - not worth it, and way too fiddly. I do wonder if both types are magnetic to varying degrees, and if the magnetic field strength, distance between magenet and size of the MLCC interact. The magnet you are using is really strong and quite close.... I wonder if you are discarding precious metal MLCCs.... How to tell?
I have no doubt that I am discarding some NME's. At this point I still have the magnetic ones and may resort. But my goal is to ensure my NME stack is as clean as possible. So some loss is acceptable.
I've shifted my approach to depopulation. I now only remove what I know I can sell. I no longer plan to do any refining. Just not enough hours in the day. With that in mind, you'll notice I'm not removing MLCC's any more. However, there's still precious metal in them if you want to explore refining. The new ones just don't have as much.
You do got to be careful with using such strong rare earth magnets. Palladium is paramagnetic meaning it very weakly gets attracted to a magnet. If that is an exceptionally strong magnet as the large hdd magnets are then that weak attraction combined with the small mass of the mlcc can stick to a strong magnet. the silver is slightly diamagnetic giving a slight repulsion to the magnet. But thats a small effect. I personally dont use hdd magnets for this very reason i have tested mlccs that weakly stick to the magnets dissolving in nitric or AR and testing with stannous chloride. I got a positive indication for pgms. Now i haven't processed at huge amount of these either. Ive been stockpiling for several years got several pounds saved up. Honestly though since ill be refining myself... Im simply going to do them all together as its essentially the same process using the same acids... If your sorting them to sell though this info might be important mo point in giving perfectly good palladium and silver away ya know
It's a good point. Of course, holding the magnet further away leads to a weaker field attracting the mlcc's. But for me, it no longer matters as I just put them all together. I had thought I would refine them, but the biz has gotten too busy and I rarely remove them anymore. Not sure what I'm going to do with what I have in storage just yet.
@@sharkscrapper yeah it is a lil like splitting hairs. Though the physics of it all might make for an effective method of sorting depopulated components very quickly I've been tossing that around in my head for a while... Sounds like a fun project id i ever get the time to put into... Cool video though, got a sub from me 🙂
They still have some, but maybe not as much or maybe less silver. That's why I keep mine all in one container for now. If I decide to refine OR I sell to a refiner, I may separate them just to keep the yields consistent.
I have been saving the boards I collected with them on them because I was not sure how to separate..problem I have here is that the recycle guys got together,I know this because I was working for the one the had the meeting.boss wanted the other buyers to drop their prices straight across board so S to make all the buyers more money.thwy have slowly bought out the competition while keeping prices low.im better off to refine anything I can and even if I don't sell perhaps down the road I can.right now it's under 2.00 for bright new copper.seems low but have to drive 150 miles to get better price
Joe - an unfortunate situation for you. I'm sure you've seen or know of the many refining videos and channels on RUclips. But be careful with those acids. You check out BOARDSORT.COM as another option to sell your boards. Depending on where you live, even with shipping it might be a good option for you.
On my first practice run I used peroxide and acid to dissolve the base metals.ididnt want to use a bunch in case it failed but wanted to have enough to see result.the final product weighs 97 grams.however it only tests about 14k I think this is because of silver and platinum group metals with it.i don't know what to do with it but I have it.i still have a bunch to process.i was lucky to get my hands on about 20 computers from 1990's
Whew, thankfully I haven't tossed any of my 'magnetic' MLCCs. I was brushing the magnet directly over them, which was picking up everything! From all the vids I've watched, it looks like the weakly magnetic ones have silver still in them. I should probably try using one of those big flat flexible fridge magnets. Those are very weak and will only grab the MLCCs that are mostly nickel.
Yes a weak magnet OR hold the magnet further away. I'm glad you didn't throw away the magnetic ones, there's still value in them. Are you planning to extract the silver yourself or sell to someone?
I think the challenge will be finding a buyer, unless you're planning to do some refining yourself. I've cut way back on harvesting these while I research how I will sell them.
That's a neodymium magnet from a scrapped Hard Disk Drive (HDD). If you are in the contiguous 48 US states I can sell you a couple for $5.00 plus shipping. They are very powerful so shipping is a little tricky. Contact me at sharkscrapper@gmail.com if interested.
Yes - at your stage I'd agree. In fact, when you get computers I recommend you just stash them in the corner some where. Or at most break them down to power supply, CDROM, HDD, RAM, PCI/Slot cards and Motherboard. Don't worry about taking anything off the boards just yet. Just accumulate for now.
Kardeşim kolay gelsin size palladyum konuşmalarızi Türkçe diline çevirimisiniz videosunu altına Türkçe diline çevirimisiniz çok çok sizin gibi. değerli bilgi veren insanların benim için çok çok deyerlidir kardeşim kolay gelsin sana teşekürler
Well being that those mlcc's weren't used until the 90s' also tin is magnetic and is used to mount all mlcc. So what was the point in separation?? All are going in hill anyways lol. Thanks for nothing
Alex, I'm sorry that you did not see the value in this video that many others have. As for separating MLCC's based on their magnetic response, the verdict is mixed. Some "refiners" have told me, or posted videos, that they like to separate them with the goal being better yields. Others have reported it's not worth the effort. I'm not a refiner and I don't separate them but sell as "Mixed MLCC's." Having said that, I found the discussing interesting and wanted to share what I had learned for those who are either new to this or haven't had the time to dig a little further.
That makes good sense Grandpa Kevin. I encourage even my younger viewers to realistically asses their ability to safely and responsibly process vs selling any material they collect. Thank you for your response to help point this out.
You shoul shouldnt use a neodymium magnet to check your mlccs they are to powerful and you will and up tossing valuable mlccs into the worthless pile when they are not . Learned this the hard way and was disgusted with how many mlccs i plucked and chucked all because i was using a hard drive magnet .just use a speaker magnet nothing to strong .
Another option is to hold the neodymium magnet further away. It would make for a very interesting experiment to determine the optimal distance above the MLCC's to get the cleanest separation.
Es decir, ni para que esforzarse en recolectarlos. No hay nada que valga la pena. No costea. A menos que yo me ubique en el pasado entre 1960 y 1995 😂😂😂
That is to say, not even to make an effort to collect them. There is nothing worthwhile. It does not cost. Unless I place myself in the past between 1960 and 1995 😂😂😂
You can learn more about the value of scrap PC's in this video: ruclips.net/video/7aStAevvZXE/видео.html
Great video once again! I knew most of what you said already, but it's nice to see it all clearly explained in one video! :D
Thank you Alrik
Thank you for this video! I only occasionally collect them, only because I didn't understand them. Now I do! Your videos are wonderful and very helpful.
Happy to be of service.
Thanks for the update with the mlcc. I'll pick a few here and there if it's older equipment. Other than that I generally leave them be. Can be quite a tedious task with the smaller ones. Thanks for the time spent filming and editing the video
You got that right
Shark dropping some knowledge on us, nice! You'd make a great instructor.
Thanks glassgiants, means more to me than you might expect.
I find myself watching this video again. I like to rewatch a lot of your videos when I’ve got questions.. so cool to see this one at 41k 😳👊🏻
I can't begin to tell you how much it means to me that these videos are helpful for you - thank you. Like you, I'm amazed when I see how many times some of my videos have been watched.
Top notch job my sharp toothed friend. Very good breakdown and explanation.
Thank you SCRAPPER D!
Fantastic Explanation - You have just a Great Knack of telling us - we here Love it - Great Video and keep Safe and Greetings from us here in Australia !!!!
Thank you Michael
Thank you for the amazing video quality. I see so many shotty quality videos that it hurts my eyes. The content is great too. Thank you.
Much appreciated! One of my commitments to myself - and all of you - was to constantly seek to improve the quality of my content.
I have been keeping them all - not sure what I have planned for them but I am just trying to learn and hoard at the same time.
I understand completely Nacho. I keep them all in the same container, but as business has gotten so busy, I find myself depopulating less and selling more. It's a natural part of the hobby becoming a business. Wanted to let you know that RUclips is acting up a little and not letting me respond to some comments. A couple of yours are in the mix. This happens sometimes, but I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.
@@sharkscrapper I feel ya my friend. I have had the same problem lately. I don't take any of it personally. I appreciate your help with the things you have have helped with. I am learning a lot from your videos. Keep up the good work. This was an older video too so that might be part of the problem. Keep up the good work.
I remove the larger ones and the ones and put them together. I suppose when I get a rather large amount I can sort through then. That or I’ll just sell the lot and let someone else separate them. Great video!
Thanks Brad - that's a good plan. I've gone to a similar plan.
I was told by someone not to use a hard drive magnet. They will pick up some noble metal ones because of the nickel. Have you tried with a magnet like out of a magnetron and see if it makes a difference?
You can use the HDD mags just hold them a little further away as I do. A magnet's pull decreases rapidly with distance. I have no doubt that I am collecting some NME's with the BME's in my process. But I'm ok with that to ensure the NME's I do keep are as "clean" as possible. That way if I decide to sell I know I'm selling good product. If you're going to extract the Ag and Pd yourself, then having some BME's in your mix is no big deal other than wasted acid.
Very informational Professor Shark !
Thanks my friend, glad you enjoyed.
Saw you in Nimmin's chat, so thought I'd pop by and say hi! Great channel! Come over sometime! 🙂
Thank you! Will do!
Funny you made this video while watching Ewaste Ben's video, in that video he explains about MLCCs and to not use neodymium magnets because they are to strong and will pick up the ones that have sliver, palladium and nickel too. This is the reason why I have never found a non magnetic one 😅 I just collect them all, by the time I can fill a bucket I'll look into refining 😂👍👊
Yes and in my video I explain that all one needs do is hold the magnet a little further away. As you know the magnetic "pull" decreases with distance. In my video we see NME's remaining with 1/4" spacing. If I increase the distance I'll get more MLCC's left behind, the question is how many BME's remain in the mix. I want as "clean" a mix as possible.
Very informative, thank you. Now, not to throw a spanner in the works but, I'm sure I heard recently (possibly it was Ewaste Ben) NOT to use a neodyneum (SP?) magnet from a hard drive because it will pick up most of the MLCCs even some with the precious/noble metals in them. But instead, to use a regular magnet from a speaker or something. Maybe you could test this out and then have 3 lots of MLCCs, true (non-magnetic), imposter (a bit magnetic) and fake (totally magnetic). Might be an idea for a follow up video just for information even if you and others decide to only sweep with a strong magnet and keep the true PM MLCCs. Take care, Poo
No worries poo. It's no problem using the strong neodymium magnet, one just needs to hold it further away to reduce the strength of the magnetic field. My goal is to have as clean a NME stack as possible. I can always resort the remaining MLCC's with the magnet further away but without testing the precious metal levels of each group, I won't really understand what I'm getting anyway.
@@sharkscrapper Yeah, kind of uncharted waters here. The only channel I can recall trying to get paladium (I think, actually it might have been platinum), was Cody's Lab trying to find it out of roadside sweepings. He was working on the theory that some precious metals may have been coughed out of the exhausts of cars (and their catalytic converters), and if that was so, it would surely settle in the sweepings at the side of the road. Take care, Poo
@@poosmate You know Poos, I believe I saw that video. It's a few years old correct? They were going after platinum. I found a video by Backyard Scrapping on magnetic MLCC's. The yield was terrible, something like .45 g of Ag from 100g of magnetic MLCC's. No measurable Pd.
Nickel is mildly magnetic, so this is a good tip.
@@poosmate I also remember that highway video.
Great video, dude! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge nd experience with us!
My pleasure!
Awesome video, always looking for helpful information like this, many thanks,
Happy to help my friend.
I’ve been collecting them since I saw your videos.. I haven’t been keeping them separate I will do that thou .. as always thanks for your help shark 👊🏻
Happy to help and sorry it took me so long to get this together. What I thought was going to be some quick fact checking took me down some very interesting rabbit holes.
Shark Scrapper it’s all good brother .. I’m glad it took longer just for the simple fact that your where able to learn more .. I’ve said I once and I’ll say it again tour a great teacher and I appreciate you 👊🏻
Best video on RUclips hands down!! This was absolutely perfect! Great explanation and how to do it!!
I have now subscribed to your channel! Just wondering if you have any video on blue/ brown capacitors? I guess the older the are the better!
I am very pleased that you liked the video so much. Welcome to the channel. When you say, "blue/brown capacitors," are you referring to the epoxy dipped tantalums?
@@sharkscrapper they look a bit like the tantalum but tantalum are usually more yellow and longer and thinner. The older dip mlcc brown or tan ones yeild 20g palladium per 1000g which is not bad plus 100g silver. But there's way better then that. Look for the older soviet item and lots of them will have the green squares. These little buggers yeild up to or more the 60grams pd per kilo.
I think I missed something. Looking at this chart, about the coating layers of metal on the end of the MLCC, both NME and BME have nickel as the middle layer and nickel is magnetic so what you are picking up with a magnet are both kinds. That's no help.
The NME/PMEs have a much lower concentration of nickel and only respond to strong magnet fields. Since I was using a neodymium magnet very close the MLCC's I picked up a large number of them. Had I held the magnet further away, or used a weaker type of magnet, I likely would NOT have picked up as many. Serious refiners have either come up with a standard they use to optimize their yield OR they just process them all together and accept additional effort is needed to get the PMs.
@@sharkscrapper Hi. "The NME/PMEs have a much lower concentration of nickel and only respond to strong magnet fields."
It was my understanding that the metal end caps conductors and the internal conductor in the ceramic were made from nickel in both NME and BME and then plated accordingly. The only lower concentration of nickel is the size of the MLCC.
@@Alex-kp3hr an understandable point of confusion
@@Alex-kp3hr now its time to do a good a deal and buy dirt cheap magnetic mlccs 😂.
If you look on ebay there are somme real cheap for sale and for sure the seller has tested them with a magnet .
These scrappers that come with these ideas are not refiners.They sell to refiners.
I am a relatively new to scrapping and still learning about all the different forms of various precious metals to be found on boards. We save the pallaium and tantalum among other things but this video brought new information to light. I had no idea about magnetic and non magnetic. I do have one question though......Any MLCC's that are magnetic, should they be tossed into the ewaste bin for the regional recycler to deal with or do they just go to garbage? I don't want to have to put anything into the garbage that I don't have to. As well, someone had mentioned using a magnet from a speaker? I assume they mean a very small speaker?
My recommendation is just keep them all together and not worry about it until you are ready to process them. When you're ready to process you'll have learned a lot more than you know now, and will be better prepared to decide how to handle them. If you decide to sell them, the buyer will tell you if they want them seperated.
Thanks for the lesson on MLCC 👍
my pleasure
Best MLCC video I’ve seen. Thank you
Thank you Capt B. Glad you enjoyed it.
I picked the bigger ones... and just found out via your method that pretty much all of them are worthless. ;)
So I will in the future only check on top quality equipment, what type they are. Medical, high tech and telecom stuff.
I wouldn't say they're "worthless" but they may be worth less. It all depends on your buyer or if you're refining yourself what level of contamination you're willing to accept.
@@sharkscrapper What are the magnetic type worth per kg, if there is only some % copper and nickel to get?
@@jackmclane1826 I'm sorry I don't have an answer for that.
Just watched and say hello to friend in scrap buisness!
Hello back friend
That last picture looks like a really dark one, which I believe would be a resister instead. I'm purely doing what Ben is doing. Saving them for the palladium content as it will eventually go up due to scarcity.
I think the challenge will be finding a buyer. Fortunately, they don't take up much space.
great job explaining really helpful.
Happy to help
Blessings...I am Out of the Game...Copper only..
big THANKS..
Thanks Tommy - hope your copper focus works out well for you.
You sure find some interesting things to scrap.
It's part of what makes this so much fun.
Работа отличная молодцы так держать .
thank you
Wow dont have any idea before about this..thanks for the knowledge
My pleasure - I share lots more knowledge gained from years of experience on my channel.
thank you very much shark.
You're welcome
So great...once again. THX 4 the lesson.
Thank you - glad you liked it.
Sehr schön!
Yes it is Ja ist es!
Interesting video!
Thank you
sharkie neodymium is way too strong and will pick up 99% as you use weaker magnet your sorting will be more accurate as you using such pawerfull magnet nickel layer will stick anyway as you use a weaker one all nme after little shake will fall of tho see you had few pieces what non stick even to neodymium so it means there is another type what have no nickel in i guess and the question is what they have instead??? for sure some non magnetic
It is easy enough to hold the neodymium a little further away. My goal is to ensure my NME collection is as pure as possible, so some loss is acceptable. I may resort the magnetic pile with the magnet further away just to see what we get.
I do collect, I don't sell my boards, so I don't take chances on trashing anything. Have containers for everything.
After all one of these days those worthless black aluminum capacitors might be worth something. Lol
Thanks for the info and the time you took for this.
I understand Donnie and will admit to being conflicted on some of what I sell. There's no easy or clean decisions when it comes to what to keep vs sell. In the end, we all do what feels right to us based on the knowledge we have at the time.
I can still remember when I first started, went after visable non ferrous only. Knowing what I know now? Wish I had all the less obvious back. 👍
@@donniebrown2896 Truth brother
Thanks for the explanation about the MLCC's.Shark
Happy I could help
Thanks for you..👍but do you can to buy mlcc and how I can to sell mlccs and adeferent scrappinges..👍
I'm glad the video was helpful. I'm sorry but I do NOT buy MLCC's and have not found a buyer for my stockpile.
@@sharkscrapper forever thanks for you👍
do hard drive boards have less or no Magnetic MLCC's
Not necessarily - it depends on the manufacturer, age of the HDD, etc.
very good information as always shark
Thank you sir
Putting my learning ears on.
😁
Hi, Ive asked a couple of other people talking about MLCC's & have yet to receive an answer, can someone tell me how to identify resin dipped MLCC's please?
Happy to help Maree. Drop me an email at sharkscrapper@gmail.com and I'll get you some pointers.
a good incite into these capacitors guess you would need a lot for any scrap value
*thumbs up like yes👍Au👍whole video watched*
Alot alot and then some
Another timely video. I have plenty of boards that I've been thinking of taking MLCCs off, sitting in the garage. Im not going ahead anymore - not worth it, and way too fiddly. I do wonder if both types are magnetic to varying degrees, and if the magnetic field strength, distance between magenet and size of the MLCC interact. The magnet you are using is really strong and quite close.... I wonder if you are discarding precious metal MLCCs.... How to tell?
I have no doubt that I am discarding some NME's. At this point I still have the magnetic ones and may resort. But my goal is to ensure my NME stack is as clean as possible. So some loss is acceptable.
Yeah since the metallic ones may contain palladium and silver too.
Good job
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I've seen that most mlcc in New electronics are not worth the time. Thoughts?
I've shifted my approach to depopulation. I now only remove what I know I can sell. I no longer plan to do any refining. Just not enough hours in the day. With that in mind, you'll notice I'm not removing MLCC's any more. However, there's still precious metal in them if you want to explore refining. The new ones just don't have as much.
You do got to be careful with using such strong rare earth magnets. Palladium is paramagnetic meaning it very weakly gets attracted to a magnet. If that is an exceptionally strong magnet as the large hdd magnets are then that weak attraction combined with the small mass of the mlcc can stick to a strong magnet. the silver is slightly diamagnetic giving a slight repulsion to the magnet. But thats a small effect. I personally dont use hdd magnets for this very reason i have tested mlccs that weakly stick to the magnets dissolving in nitric or AR and testing with stannous chloride. I got a positive indication for pgms. Now i haven't processed at huge amount of these either. Ive been stockpiling for several years got several pounds saved up. Honestly though since ill be refining myself... Im simply going to do them all together as its essentially the same process using the same acids... If your sorting them to sell though this info might be important mo point in giving perfectly good palladium and silver away ya know
It's a good point. Of course, holding the magnet further away leads to a weaker field attracting the mlcc's. But for me, it no longer matters as I just put them all together. I had thought I would refine them, but the biz has gotten too busy and I rarely remove them anymore. Not sure what I'm going to do with what I have in storage just yet.
@@sharkscrapper yeah it is a lil like splitting hairs. Though the physics of it all might make for an effective method of sorting depopulated components very quickly I've been tossing that around in my head for a while... Sounds like a fun project id i ever get the time to put into... Cool video though, got a sub from me 🙂
I keep toying with the idea of refining for the fun of putting some of my chemistry knowledge to work. But just too daggon busy.
Im just stacking them for now.
Sounds good
The magnetic ones has silver and palladium. Just less since theres basemetal inside as well. 999dusan showed this.
Just collect and process them toghether.
Yes, for the time being they are all going in the same container.
Good info bro. Loved to see e-waste Ben and ur videos from india.
Thank you - glad you found it useful. Let me know if you have other items you'd like to learn more about.
@@sharkscrapper yeah bro... it's really helpful for me to gain knowledge..
so the magnetic ones dont have any palladium or platinum ?
They still have some, but maybe not as much or maybe less silver. That's why I keep mine all in one container for now. If I decide to refine OR I sell to a refiner, I may separate them just to keep the yields consistent.
@@sharkscrapper nice
I have been saving the boards I collected with them on them because I was not sure how to separate..problem I have here is that the recycle guys got together,I know this because I was working for the one the had the meeting.boss wanted the other buyers to drop their prices straight across board so S to make all the buyers more money.thwy have slowly bought out the competition while keeping prices low.im better off to refine anything I can and even if I don't sell perhaps down the road I can.right now it's under 2.00 for bright new copper.seems low but have to drive 150 miles to get better price
Joe - an unfortunate situation for you. I'm sure you've seen or know of the many refining videos and channels on RUclips. But be careful with those acids. You check out BOARDSORT.COM as another option to sell your boards. Depending on where you live, even with shipping it might be a good option for you.
On my first practice run I used peroxide and acid to dissolve the base metals.ididnt want to use a bunch in case it failed but wanted to have enough to see result.the final product weighs 97 grams.however it only tests about 14k I think this is because of silver and platinum group metals with it.i don't know what to do with it but I have it.i still have a bunch to process.i was lucky to get my hands on about 20 computers from 1990's
Whew, thankfully I haven't tossed any of my 'magnetic' MLCCs. I was brushing the magnet directly over them, which was picking up everything! From all the vids I've watched, it looks like the weakly magnetic ones have silver still in them. I should probably try using one of those big flat flexible fridge magnets. Those are very weak and will only grab the MLCCs that are mostly nickel.
Yes a weak magnet OR hold the magnet further away. I'm glad you didn't throw away the magnetic ones, there's still value in them. Are you planning to extract the silver yourself or sell to someone?
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very interesting video. I have not as yet investigated the MLCC scrap market, but this vid has piqued my interest.
I think the challenge will be finding a buyer, unless you're planning to do some refining yourself. I've cut way back on harvesting these while I research how I will sell them.
@@sharkscrapper This is a volume business/activity for sure and I mean a LOT of volume. I would be interested to refining the scrap to a salable item.
@@npsfam check out 999 Dusan channel about refining. You can learn a lot there.
nice cut down view of a MLCC shark So both types still are end cap last plating is silver
Most likely yes, but I've learned to not use definitive statements when it comes to components as there are "always" variations.
Magnetic also have silver and palladium just less
Yes and I think unless you are refining yourself, separating isn't worth the effort or needed. My new buyer does not require it.
Need to start separating
No rush man
Hi where do you get the magnet that you are using ? I would like to buy one.
That's a neodymium magnet from a scrapped Hard Disk Drive (HDD). If you are in the contiguous 48 US states I can sell you a couple for $5.00 plus shipping. They are very powerful so shipping is a little tricky. Contact me at sharkscrapper@gmail.com if interested.
@@sharkscrapper Hi , thanks for the reply , but unfortunately im not in the US.
Palladium is a magnetic metal also !
Not magnetic enogh to be picked up by magnet
Interesting vedio
Glad you found it interesting. Please let me know if you have questions or would like me to cover other topics.
The magnetic still often contain pd just not as much
Nice video
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just stock pile for now they don't take up a lot space
Very true, they don't take up much space.
great info but i think a little more in depth then im ready for lol'
Yes - at your stage I'd agree. In fact, when you get computers I recommend you just stash them in the corner some where. Or at most break them down to power supply, CDROM, HDD, RAM, PCI/Slot cards and Motherboard. Don't worry about taking anything off the boards just yet. Just accumulate for now.
@@sharkscrapper Good plan I actually have two to break down
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Where can I buy it?
I want to communicate with you please send me your Wats
@@user-bq9sj3mp5o I can be reached at sharkscrapper@gmail.com
@@user-bq9sj3mp5o قصدك وين يمكن تبيعه how you can to sell it
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LOL - couldn't resist
Great video
Glad you liked it BigRed
I personally don't save any of those when scrapping out e-waste.
That's probably the right decision for the vast majority of scrappers.
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Glad you found it useful.
Kardeşim kolay gelsin size palladyum konuşmalarızi Türkçe diline çevirimisiniz videosunu altına Türkçe diline çevirimisiniz çok çok sizin gibi. değerli bilgi veren insanların benim için çok çok deyerlidir kardeşim kolay gelsin sana teşekürler
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Well being that those mlcc's weren't used until the 90s' also tin is magnetic and is used to mount all mlcc. So what was the point in separation?? All are going in hill anyways lol. Thanks for nothing
Alex, I'm sorry that you did not see the value in this video that many others have. As for separating MLCC's based on their magnetic response, the verdict is mixed. Some "refiners" have told me, or posted videos, that they like to separate them with the goal being better yields. Others have reported it's not worth the effort. I'm not a refiner and I don't separate them but sell as "Mixed MLCC's." Having said that, I found the discussing interesting and wanted to share what I had learned for those who are either new to this or haven't had the time to dig a little further.
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i will retine mine
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Very informative but... I'm not gonna do it! At my age I don't want to start learning the chemical process I'll just sell them.
That makes good sense Grandpa Kevin. I encourage even my younger viewers to realistically asses their ability to safely and responsibly process vs selling any material they collect. Thank you for your response to help point this out.
You shoul shouldnt use a neodymium magnet to check your mlccs they are to powerful and you will and up tossing valuable mlccs into the worthless pile when they are not . Learned this the hard way and was disgusted with how many mlccs i plucked and chucked all because i was using a hard drive magnet .just use a speaker magnet nothing to strong .
Another option is to hold the neodymium magnet further away. It would make for a very interesting experiment to determine the optimal distance above the MLCC's to get the cleanest separation.
I started collecting them and then decided it was to much of a head ach. Lots to much money to.
I understand and agree. I've stopped taking them as well. I'll likely sell what I have on eBay.
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Es decir, ni para que esforzarse en recolectarlos. No hay nada que valga la pena. No costea. A menos que yo me ubique en el pasado entre 1960 y 1995 😂😂😂
I'd love to know what you said - can you translate to English please?
Is anubody interested to bue electronic scrap from bosnia. We can make bisnis becouse nobody do not doing it yet.
Sorry Vilden - that's kind of beyond my scope at this point.
@@sharkscrapper welcome to bosnia brother anytime
@@vildenvilden2211 Thank you Vilden
That is to say, not even to make an effort to collect them. There is nothing worthwhile. It does not cost. Unless I place myself in the past between 1960 and 1995 😂😂😂
Yeah, unless you're serious about precious metal recovery, it's not worth it. Just leave them on the boards and sell the boards.
@@sharkscrapper thank you brother
I quit pulling those dam things.
What did you do with those you had pulled before you stopped?
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Good job
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