Looks like You were looking for a specific 12" very very "under time pressure". Thank You Mr @DocScott31 For Making This World a Better Place. For the all these Years ❤
How can a 15-minute report from Resident Advisor be better, more informative, with a representative musical selection, than an entire documentary from Drum & Bass Arena?
Absolutely outstanding. I’ve long wanted more docs on d&b and jungle’s history. One of my favourite chapters in musical history but because not so big in the US, it’s not received that high end Netflix treatment. This is awesome, would love a 2 hour version!
Thank you😍There is a good radio documentary and I'm trying to set up a screening of The Rest Is History and other Jungle DnB docs. Hey, this is Julia, I wrote this documentary and selected the music. I’m putting on a Jungle party to celebrate the short documentary hitting 250,000. If you love all the tunes in here you will absolutely love this party in Peckham Audio on Friday 12th July. The event is called Conscious Lyrics Live after my podcast about Jungle Drum and Bass. Tickets are available from Resident Advisor.
Thank you😍I was a kong time in the making and Resident Advisor were really supportive and keen. Hey, this is Julia, I wrote this documentary and selected the music. I’m putting on a Jungle party to celebrate the short documentary hitting 250,000. If you love all the tunes in here you will absolutely love this party in Peckham Audio on Friday 12th July. The event is called Conscious Lyrics Live after my podcast about Jungle Drum and Bass. Tickets are available from Resident Advisor.
The only bad thing about this video is that it ends. I have not seen something so good in a very long time. Instantly added to favorites. Having the list of tracks was like the cherry on top. ❤❤❤
Its a great video, but it definitely should have mentioned something about Drum n' Bass. Especially because the clip starts with that gal mentioning DnB. They should have mentioned how DnB evolved from jungle. It didn't have to be in depth, and maybe they are making a documentary about DnB, but literally one or two sentences about DnB at the end would have made it perfect.
But it's all wrong if you think this defines what jungle is and d&b is. Many of these tracks are d&b and were at the time - Babylon Splash, Red Light, the Krome & Time Licence remix etc.
Wtf, this is an unbelievably beautiful video, so much love has gone into this! Interviews blend with the music and graphics, like the whole film is its own jungle track. Props to the editors, this is a work of art!
Thank you😍Yeah the producer Sophie and the whole team were amazing. They really brought the words to life. Hey, this is Julia, I wrote this documentary and selected the music. I’m putting on a Jungle party to celebrate the short documentary hitting 250,000. If you love all the tunes in here you will absolutely love this party in Peckham Audio on Friday 12th July. The event is called Conscious Lyrics Live after my podcast about Jungle Drum and Bass. Tickets are available from Resident Advisor.
The opening bit suggested the video was going to make a distinction between Jungle and Drum and Bass. But it didn't - never mind. Actually, the proliferation of Jungle in the early 90s was really due to the technology: Affordable samplers.
@@mhm9868 I agree with Brown Paper Bag - forgot that was in there - but everything else was Jungle. What else do you think was DnB and NOT Jungle from that playlist?
@@mhm9868 I never heard anyone use the term Drum'n'Bass until '95-'96. At first it just sounded like another marketing gimmick (remember Hardstep?). Everything I heard from '93-'94/'95 with breakbeats was Jungle.
@@elduderino3120 With jungle, the beats were complex and the bass was fairly simple(typically just a sub). The switch to drum n bass was the adoption of the two step( eg Pulp Fiction) and more complex basslines( especially reeses).
@@elduderino3120 That duh da duh da duh dah du dah lifeless no soul pattern which is they tenplate I first saw it change from V recordings it was strting to change.
❤🎉Junglist for life. Its in my soul, it moves me! The dance it produces from my body is so fun and exciting. Nothing like Jungle, those off beats, the sound of nature 💚💃🏾🥁💥
Agreed. A huge amount of research went into this vid. The levels of background knowledge presented here is insane. Top producer levels of understanding, along with an innate ability to present the info in an easy to understand way. Great video.
@@existextinct oh come now do you live on the internet since covid? do you understand what 'massive' means? go to a huge out of control renegade party and come back here with the same sentiment all you want to be in is a year where everything is popping off
As someone who was into it in the 90’s. Clear as mud then. Hard not to argue it’s the reggae sample that sets jungle apart from just being breakbeat or drum & bass. Think the problem more is that there’s so many genres. Especially now.
This was really well done. Short but right on and totally engaging. I still love those endless ragga jungle flips. At the time they started to feel stale, but there is a lot of great programming going on in a lot of them.
The Amen break doesn't get enough love in this video. It's looped in pretty much all the songs featured, and it's all from one small part of the song 'Amen, Brother' by The Winstons. duh duh gah dugaduggudu gah, that's the one. It's so iconic and prevalent it's hard to believe it even comes from a specific thing
Shout out to "Voodoo Ray" which is in this vid for no reason other than it's such a deep spiritual root of the UK experimental sound, whether it be acid or jungle or hardcore or house or whateverthefuck. I love that record so much.
6:14 - I ran around much of New York City, looking for the Metalheadz documentary just so I could see Dillinja at work. I was disappointed at how short his segment was. But still so memorable.
Fantastic documentary! I was trying hard to explain to a Business colleague last night what Jungle is and the timing couldn't be more perfect. Just sent them this video!
Good stuff. I still think they should have accepted "drum and bass" as they're synonymous in most cases. A better question would have been "what makes something NOT drum and bass" to answer their question properly.
You can distinguish between them sometimes but there's huge overlap and they grew from the same scene. But even if you do distinguish them, I would say both A Guy Called Gerald and Goldie made tunes on both sides of that divide and they should have got the point.
@@donach9 There's not really much of a divide in truth. The only divide is the more raggaish 94 sound with less break editing, when it began to switch in 95 it was more of a return to the 93 style. By 95 most people used d&b to refer to all tunes, even the 94 ragga ones, which you could begin to call a sort-of subgenre 'jungle'. Since d&b didn't exist in 93 to refer to the stuff like Bizzy B, Invisible Man, Goldie, it could never be used to refer to those older tunes. The new sound was more digital, more edited, more timestretching, a cleaner sound. Tech-step started to take over late95-early 96 and some people think that is what d&b was but it certainly wasn't in 95.
Monumental video. Originally clicked on the video expecting to be let down by another "newer/younger" interpretation, but I was blown away by this short documentary. No hate on newer and younger interpretations but it's ironically refreshing to see the real substance of what makes something jungle.
This is such a concise and on point brilliant little documentary. As a older punky raver dj and free party head this makes me want to have a mix with my 90s jungle and breakbeat hardcore stuff 👊💪🔥🔥😊
I love how simultaneously reverent and economical this mini doc is. Thank you. I have such a deeper appreciation of Caribbean influence on popular culture and the grit, determination, and creativity that went into building jungle as a community (and other musical genres) after watching this
Really enjoyed the video but it didn't explain how it considers drum & bass differs from jungle and hence why the University Challenge question was deemed incorrect. I'm 57y and remember "jungle" being used for tracks by Shut Up & Dance and on the Tribal Bass label from 1990 onwards. But I'm sure we called Goldie's Timeless "drum & bass". Same for Guy Called Gerald, LTJ Bukum etc. It was a broader term that also took in the more electronic, less breakbeat, sound they were producing. Interesting to hear different perspectives though.
True, I remember Goldie's Timeless being referred to both as jungle and drum and bass. I think it represents the fuzzy boundary between the 2 quite nicely, if you ignore the fact that drum and bass can be an umbrella catch-all term for both like you said. Listening back to Goldie now in modern times it seems to me to be more jungle than drum and bass just because of the speed, which I think is the main difference if indeed you want to try and disentangle them. Jungle was slower, and that allowed time and space for much more complicated rhythms than later dnb. And the complexity of those rhythms meant that you could listen to jungle in 2 ways: either as something fast and frenetic or slow and flowing, depending on what mood you were in and how you chose to interpret it at any given moment. That's what makes jungle more interesting than faster drum and bass for me, and it's the syncopation that makes me want to get up and dance.... or I would if I wasn't middle-aged and flabby.
Exactly. I'd have answered jungle until the two examples were given. Goldie started Metalheadz for crying out loud. Congo Natty on the other hand, that was jungle.
This was an amazing deep dive in just under 15 minutes - the memories i have of 90s London Jungle scene were unlocked the moment i heard those tunes again... so trip
Holy shit the music in this 13 minute doc is beyond excellent. What an incredible curation of some incredible examples of the music discussed. An entire class could be taught on what is presented here. Fantastic.
I was at Rave Story recently, I made the mistake of saying I love Drum and Bass in the Jungle room. Then I ended up on the receiving end of a lesson in the difference between DNB and Jungle… but I was spangled and wasn’t prepared to listen…. So I danced away laughing
To be fair to the University Challenge candidate, the question was wrongly asked. If you take Goldie and A Guy Called Gerald as prime examples, drum‘n‘bass as an answer would be absolutely okay. A Guy Called Gerald was an acid house pioneer, and many years later his landmark „Black Secret Technology“ album came out at a time when the term drum‘n‘bass was slowly replacing jungle. Likewise, Goldie has been around the scene from the very start, but at the time of his mainstream breakthrough with „Inner City Life“, people were already starting to call it drum‘n‘bass. People nowadays sometimes think of drum‘n‘bass only as techstep or liquid, or as some kind of gentrified version of jungle, but there was a period when both terms were actually interchangeable. And the jungle monicker was always controversial, some leading artists like Shut Up & Dance suggested it was racist.
This is excellently done!! Truly impressed. Real, legit, thoughtful and thorough research and beautifully edited. The tunes used here demonstrate authentic knowledge and passion for Jungle, DnB, and early 90's rave in general. Honestly, really enjoyed this. Thanks
Great mini documentary! :D Loved the visuals, all the detailing of how Jungle came to be, and the music picked out while talking about such (and thank you for listing it all in the description)!
A brilliant short documentary. Not only ‘took me back’, but reminded me of the lay of the land and even made the specific origins of the sound very clear. Well done!
Loved it. But it didn’t answer the more interesting question , what defines the difference between jungle and drum and bass? The question is still open and not answered by the doco. Anyone ?
The question in University Challenge was open enough that Drum & Bass was also a completely valid answer to it, and the team should have been awarded a point.
The answer to that question is this. There were several incidents of people firing guns at raves between 94 and 95, and there were two relevant consequences to that: firstly, some smart promoters started telling nightclub owners, "oh no mate, my rave's not a jungle rave, it's a D&B rave" - because to do otherwise would have meant the end of a financial gravy train for those promoters. Secondly, at the same time, a group of producers thought, " I don't really like some of the directions this music is going in", so they got together and decided to consciously differentiate themselves from the parts of the scene which they didn't much care for anymore - which meant, among other things, choosing to classify their music under a different name, even though it was ultimately the same music. Fast forward 30 years later, and people think they ARE two different genres, when they are really two different styles of the same genre - in the same way that Miles Davis and Duke Ellington play different styles of jazz.
This was way better than it had any right to be. We need a part two talking about the expansion of jungle into DNB, Hardcore, Dubstep, Pirate radio etc etc…. So many topics you could expand on
One of the best vids on jungle I've seen! But... the influence of Belgian (and NYC) hardcore techno is critically overlooked. It was this that gave the vital 'vroooommm!' that carried raving from the euphoric house of the 80s into the frenetic experience of the 90s, and there's no doubting what a crucial element a well used hoover can be in sending the dancefloor into a frenzy. System X - Mindgames at 1:01 is a great example.
Good shout this. Belgian & US techno samples were a critical piece of the Terminator EP and much of the earlier Reinforced stuff, among a ton of other early hardcore/jungle techno
It was to a great deal Fabio & Grooverider's selections that laid a lot of the foundation for D&B and that featured stuff like Photon - "Security" by Hans Olav Grøttheim (of Y.B.U fame)
The Belgians had a pretty healthy electronic scene in the 80s- EBM and New Beat, so it's not really surprising that they adopted US techno and made their own sound.
Another documentary that gets it completely wrong, the predecessor of jungle was old school hardcore which dominated British nightlife for at least two years, hardcore was dominantly British but was a sound that producers the world over converged on in 1991 / 1992, it's influences were less about house and acid house and more about Belgian techno. It was never solely a second generation black scene, and neither were it's producers, it was a British working class musical movement. When jungle (previously called jungle techno) started to dominate the hardcore, it split primarily into jungle and happy hardcore, but other people headed towards techno which was taking off and house music though back then house and techno were much smaller scenes. Assuming that it was primarily a second generation black musical movement because the major influence is reggae is not accurate, there were plenty of white and asian producers across all the musical styles, there was never a black and white divide among fans of any of these genres, there was never a racial divide these were British working class musical movements. The generation we are talking about saw beyond race. Everyone partied together. Confusing all those genres at the beginning puts them all out of time.
I agree. It came out of stuff like Omni Trio and the ragga was just a particular flavour of it. There was a whole happy hardcore scene ongoing at the same time and I was never into it tbh. Plenty of white jungle producers around and Asian too, otherwise how would people like Talvin Singh have become popular later in the decade? The scene was multicultural and the whole point of it was that it transcended boundaries of race and brought young people together under one roof. The world needs something like that now more than ever.
don't you think it's a bit much to say "THE predecessor" regarding something with pretty diverse roots, influences, and elements? like, the documentary lays out pretty well where different pieces of influence come from. the piece you're mentioning is missing but still i would disagree that this documentary gets it completely wrong
Agree 100% those who were there know the real story, many people today could not imagine it could be so, as the aim of the influential and powerful is to divide instead of unify, to keep the working classes mad at each other/fighting with each other rather than against those who benefit most off misery divide and conquer.
i love that Producer 01 by LTJ Bukem threads through this doc from start to finish. that compilation is my childhood, foundation and fave album of all time! 💓
Jungle is like Fight Club. The defining factor to jungle is highly intimate and sometimes esoteric. Anyone who actually gets it would never reveal it to an outsider. Also, LTJ Bukem has 0 jungle tracks, absolutely 0. I think thats enough evidence to show that this documentary was way in over its head, despite being well produced and fun to watch.
This video does not address the fact that "Drum & Bass" was also actually a valid answer to the University Challenge question that was posed, and the team should have been given a point. (For those who falsely think my statement here is incorrect, then please next read the many further replies to this post below, as I have likely already addressed and countered your concerns.)
@@010101110100 Note the successful compilation 'The Dark Side: (Hardcore Drum & Bass Style)' released on React in March 1993; and also the track MI 7 'Rockin' Down The House' (91 Drum 'n' Bass Remake) from 1991.
0:17 i ve got the toughest smile for months when i ve heard it for the first time. this calmness and confidence of the show runner, saying these iconic words is like a mirror how jungle relates to dnb. sorry for my english
Yeah disappointed the video didn't actually go into the difference between the two, though in regards to the original question "reggae soundsystem culture" is the key phrase here
@@smolbeanregarder D&B also has roots in reggae soundsystem culture - the phrase 'Drum and Bass' used to be put on the B-Sides of reggae records in the 70s for the dub versions of tracks. King Tubby did this often. There was even a reggae label in the 80s called 'Drum & Bass Production'.
A lower BPM window, sticking to chopped live drum samples, or basic hardware drum machines, there are a handful of sampled sound effects heard in 90% of jungle tunes, atmospheric pads.
@@realeyesrealisereallies97 Well it was some sort of big thing back in the day I've heard. 4hero, Goldie, LTJ Bukem were considered DnB and apparently people could get quite angry if this music was called Jungle
The amount of iconic tunes in this video is mad
Was just thinking the same! 🔥
LTJ Bukem and Valley of shadows
That's how you make a popular video and make yourself seem like you know what's going on.
Some wouklld even say, massif
Drumn Bass is a loser Genre for drug junkies
5:04 Those are my hands going through the records ... 😂 ... good job on the mini-doc RA.
Oh look, it's the OG Ghostface killa & Shadow Boxer himself! HERE COME THE DRUMZ!
Looks like You were looking for a specific 12" very very "under time pressure".
Thank You Mr @DocScott31 For Making This World a Better Place.
For the all these Years
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Yo is this actually Doc Scott??!!! Dude, you're a legend from my 90s uni days!
Doc Scott - The Legend.
The legend himself
How can a 15-minute report from Resident Advisor be better, more informative, with a representative musical selection, than an entire documentary from Drum & Bass Arena?
Because DnB Arena doc assumed that you already have this knowledge and started covering the genre history from 1995 if I recall properly ;)
Concise, slight romanticized vs big brand nostalgia. Both equally enjoyable. The former is easier to get across to the layman.
DNBA sucks stamina is a cuk LOL RAZOR
@@oskar_oskarewicz because DNB arena kids werent even alive before then
Who cares? This was great. It’s not a competition bruv it’s just music. Enjoy it
Absolutely outstanding. I’ve long wanted more docs on d&b and jungle’s history. One of my favourite chapters in musical history but because not so big in the US, it’s not received that high end Netflix treatment. This is awesome, would love a 2 hour version!
the doc is a junglist aswell and he‘s not even being sarcastic about it! this is amazing. big ups 🙌
@@kisnpisn4919our cardiologist need some good tunes to raise those heartbeat
Incoming. End of 2024 on Hyper-D 🙌
Netflix could never make something as good as this doc. They'd fill it with style over actual substance, as with everything else
@@TheLondonRunner I dunno man the first two seasons of Hip Hop Evolution were great. I would love something like that for the UK scene
"Often creating a sense of intensity, chaos, melancholy...or terror" is another great potential sample!
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I'd watch TV again if we had documentaries like this
Thank you😍There is a good radio documentary and I'm trying to set up a screening of The Rest Is History and other Jungle DnB docs.
Hey, this is Julia, I wrote this documentary and selected the music. I’m putting on a Jungle party to celebrate the short documentary hitting 250,000. If you love all the tunes in here you will absolutely love this party in Peckham Audio on Friday 12th July. The event is called Conscious Lyrics Live after my podcast about Jungle Drum and Bass. Tickets are available from Resident Advisor.
This video is perfection, one of the best short documentaries I have watched.
JUNGLE IS MASSIVE!!!
Have you seen the one about the Amen Break? If not, I highly recommend it.
Thank you😍I was a kong time in the making and Resident Advisor were really supportive and keen.
Hey, this is Julia, I wrote this documentary and selected the music. I’m putting on a Jungle party to celebrate the short documentary hitting 250,000. If you love all the tunes in here you will absolutely love this party in Peckham Audio on Friday 12th July. The event is called Conscious Lyrics Live after my podcast about Jungle Drum and Bass. Tickets are available from Resident Advisor.
The only bad thing about this video is that it ends. I have not seen something so good in a very long time. Instantly added to favorites. Having the list of tracks was like the cherry on top. ❤❤❤
Its a great video, but it definitely should have mentioned something about Drum n' Bass. Especially because the clip starts with that gal mentioning DnB. They should have mentioned how DnB evolved from jungle. It didn't have to be in depth, and maybe they are making a documentary about DnB, but literally one or two sentences about DnB at the end would have made it perfect.
I know! I was ready to settle in for 60+ minutes haha. Quality stuff here.
So true! My 19 month old danced through the entire thing!!! Jungle never dies!!!!
Holy f everything in this video is A+!! The music, the edits, the video, the story, the information, the narration! Amazing
But it's all wrong if you think this defines what jungle is and d&b is. Many of these tracks are d&b and were at the time - Babylon Splash, Red Light, the Krome & Time Licence remix etc.
Wtf, this is an unbelievably beautiful video, so much love has gone into this! Interviews blend with the music and graphics, like the whole film is its own jungle track. Props to the editors, this is a work of art!
I recognise the Dillinja interview from the Metalheadz documentary that was out around 96.
Thank you😍Yeah the producer Sophie and the whole team were amazing. They really brought the words to life.
Hey, this is Julia, I wrote this documentary and selected the music. I’m putting on a Jungle party to celebrate the short documentary hitting 250,000. If you love all the tunes in here you will absolutely love this party in Peckham Audio on Friday 12th July. The event is called Conscious Lyrics Live after my podcast about Jungle Drum and Bass. Tickets are available from Resident Advisor.
This is excelent. I've been a jungalist since the mid 90's and I still learn things from this. Hats of to you.
3:32 My animation from about 1993 when I was a VJ at loads of the big raves. I wonder where they found this?
That's nuts. Big ups
@@TheChiraagG Churss
I pressed the timestamp and got a peanut advert 😂
@@johnthies1150 Sounds about right.
Ahh wicked!! Let me try and find out for you :))
The opening bit suggested the video was going to make a distinction between Jungle and Drum and Bass. But it didn't - never mind. Actually, the proliferation of Jungle in the early 90s was really due to the technology: Affordable samplers.
Everything you heard in the video was jungle, while DnB typically uses the step drum pattern. That’s the biggest single difference.
@@mhm9868 I agree with Brown Paper Bag - forgot that was in there - but everything else was Jungle. What else do you think was DnB and NOT Jungle from that playlist?
@@mhm9868 I never heard anyone use the term Drum'n'Bass until '95-'96. At first it just sounded like another marketing gimmick (remember Hardstep?). Everything I heard from '93-'94/'95 with breakbeats was Jungle.
@@elduderino3120 With jungle, the beats were complex and the bass was fairly simple(typically just a sub). The switch to drum n bass was the adoption of the two step( eg Pulp Fiction) and more complex basslines( especially reeses).
@@elduderino3120 That duh da duh da duh dah du dah lifeless no soul pattern which is they tenplate I first saw it change from V recordings it was strting to change.
❤🎉Junglist for life. Its in my soul, it moves me! The dance it produces from my body is so fun and exciting. Nothing like Jungle, those off beats, the sound of nature 💚💃🏾🥁💥
I think I i speak for everyone when I say we want more of these docs for more genres. Insanely well produced wow.
Agreed. A huge amount of research went into this vid.
The levels of background knowledge presented here is insane. Top producer levels of understanding, along with an innate ability to present the info in an easy to understand way.
Great video.
No. Nobody needs to know about this underground scene. That's why its dope to begin with. More docs means mainstream access. Makes stuff suck.
@@fredfred2363 no.
@@existextinct The fact that this starts off with an viral meme makes you think there is very little 'underground' about the scene, is there?
@@existextinct oh come now do you live on the internet since covid? do you understand what 'massive' means? go to a huge out of control renegade party and come back here with the same sentiment all you want to be in is a year where everything is popping off
As someone who was into it in the 90’s. Clear as mud then. Hard not to argue it’s the reggae sample that sets jungle apart from just being breakbeat or drum & bass. Think the problem more is that there’s so many genres. Especially now.
This was really well done. Short but right on and totally engaging. I still love those endless ragga jungle flips. At the time they started to feel stale, but there is a lot of great programming going on in a lot of them.
Fantastic little documentary, proper giving me the feels! Big respect for whom ever put this together 💥🔥🔥🔥💚
I appreciate the list of music used, I can never have enough jungle and dnb in my collection.
You should check ours out!
The Amen break doesn't get enough love in this video. It's looped in pretty much all the songs featured, and it's all from one small part of the song 'Amen, Brother' by The Winstons. duh duh gah dugaduggudu gah, that's the one. It's so iconic and prevalent it's hard to believe it even comes from a specific thing
Shout out to "Voodoo Ray" which is in this vid for no reason other than it's such a deep spiritual root of the UK experimental sound, whether it be acid or jungle or hardcore or house or whateverthefuck. I love that record so much.
6:14 - I ran around much of New York City, looking for the Metalheadz documentary just so I could see Dillinja at work. I was disappointed at how short his segment was. But still so memorable.
There’s another documentary about the valve system made by Dillinja and lemon D
@@DJKaBz1 Why the hell haven't you put that in front of my eyeballs right now?!?
@@MagnumDB it’s on RUclips I seen it ;)
@@DJKaBz1 I've seen it somewhere, freakn mad. Dili for life.
Very well done! I love that the Detroit techno scene was included!
Fantastic documentary! I was trying hard to explain to a Business colleague last night what Jungle is and the timing couldn't be more perfect. Just sent them this video!
Thanks, RA! 27 years of love story with jungle and the butterflies are still all over me chest. 💚🖤
totally sick documentary im gonna show this to my children after they are born
Gotta plan ahead innit
lol same
Makes sense to do it after yeah
Play it to them in the womb mate 😂
Maybe when they're in the sack@@bonenintomatensauseven
Nice vid RA. Happy you got the order correct about House ,black northerners then Balearic southerners. Oldest debate in history
Good stuff. I still think they should have accepted "drum and bass" as they're synonymous in most cases.
A better question would have been "what makes something NOT drum and bass" to answer their question properly.
Agree
You can distinguish between them sometimes but there's huge overlap and they grew from the same scene.
But even if you do distinguish them, I would say both A Guy Called Gerald and Goldie made tunes on both sides of that divide and they should have got the point.
@@donach9 There's not really much of a divide in truth. The only divide is the more raggaish 94 sound with less break editing, when it began to switch in 95 it was more of a return to the 93 style. By 95 most people used d&b to refer to all tunes, even the 94 ragga ones, which you could begin to call a sort-of subgenre 'jungle'. Since d&b didn't exist in 93 to refer to the stuff like Bizzy B, Invisible Man, Goldie, it could never be used to refer to those older tunes. The new sound was more digital, more edited, more timestretching, a cleaner sound. Tech-step started to take over late95-early 96 and some people think that is what d&b was but it certainly wasn't in 95.
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@@smartgenes1 nicely put
Wicked! Appreciate the detail in this vid. 30 years later it’s still fresh
Monumental video. Originally clicked on the video expecting to be let down by another "newer/younger" interpretation, but I was blown away by this short documentary.
No hate on newer and younger interpretations but it's ironically refreshing to see the real substance of what makes something jungle.
ending with atlantis was so perfect - great video Resident Advisor
Song fucked me up as a teenager, song still fucks me up now. I knew that song was special the first time I heard it.
Absolute masterpiece
This is such a concise and on point brilliant little documentary. As a older punky raver dj and free party head this makes me want to have a mix with my 90s jungle and breakbeat hardcore stuff 👊💪🔥🔥😊
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I love how simultaneously reverent and economical this mini doc is. Thank you. I have such a deeper appreciation of Caribbean influence on popular culture and the grit, determination, and creativity that went into building jungle as a community (and other musical genres) after watching this
Great video, and Keisha is a wonderful narrator.
Really enjoyed the video but it didn't explain how it considers drum & bass differs from jungle and hence why the University Challenge question was deemed incorrect. I'm 57y and remember "jungle" being used for tracks by Shut Up & Dance and on the Tribal Bass label from 1990 onwards. But I'm sure we called Goldie's Timeless "drum & bass". Same for Guy Called Gerald, LTJ Bukum etc. It was a broader term that also took in the more electronic, less breakbeat, sound they were producing. Interesting to hear different perspectives though.
True, I remember Goldie's Timeless being referred to both as jungle and drum and bass. I think it represents the fuzzy boundary between the 2 quite nicely, if you ignore the fact that drum and bass can be an umbrella catch-all term for both like you said. Listening back to Goldie now in modern times it seems to me to be more jungle than drum and bass just because of the speed, which I think is the main difference if indeed you want to try and disentangle them. Jungle was slower, and that allowed time and space for much more complicated rhythms than later dnb. And the complexity of those rhythms meant that you could listen to jungle in 2 ways: either as something fast and frenetic or slow and flowing, depending on what mood you were in and how you chose to interpret it at any given moment. That's what makes jungle more interesting than faster drum and bass for me, and it's the syncopation that makes me want to get up and dance.... or I would if I wasn't middle-aged and flabby.
Exactly. I'd have answered jungle until the two examples were given. Goldie started Metalheadz for crying out loud. Congo Natty on the other hand, that was jungle.
Great doc, I especially love the part with Goldie talking about timestretching.
that was actually a very well constructed and thought through analysis of the genre. i was surprised and not expecting this from RA
This was an amazing deep dive in just under 15 minutes - the memories i have of 90s London Jungle scene were unlocked the moment i heard those tunes again... so trip
This should be a new series!
Holy shit the music in this 13 minute doc is beyond excellent. What an incredible curation of some incredible examples of the music discussed. An entire class could be taught on what is presented here. Fantastic.
Brilliant little documentary. Forever love Jungle and Drum & Bass. Thank you!
Have you heard any of the new stuff?
I constantly try to keep updated on Jungle and D'n'B but I still love to listen to the 90s stuff. Any recommendations?@@DJAndeKarmaRecordings
I was at Rave Story recently, I made the mistake of saying I love Drum and Bass in the Jungle room. Then I ended up on the receiving end of a lesson in the difference between DNB and Jungle… but I was spangled and wasn’t prepared to listen…. So I danced away laughing
To be fair to the University Challenge candidate, the question was wrongly asked. If you take Goldie and A Guy Called Gerald as prime examples, drum‘n‘bass as an answer would be absolutely okay. A Guy Called Gerald was an acid house pioneer, and many years later his landmark „Black Secret Technology“ album came out at a time when the term drum‘n‘bass was slowly replacing jungle. Likewise, Goldie has been around the scene from the very start, but at the time of his mainstream breakthrough with „Inner City Life“, people were already starting to call it drum‘n‘bass. People nowadays sometimes think of drum‘n‘bass only as techstep or liquid, or as some kind of gentrified version of jungle, but there was a period when both terms were actually interchangeable. And the jungle monicker was always controversial, some leading artists like Shut Up & Dance suggested it was racist.
Thank You Resident Advisor Family for making this documentary.
Long live jungle music & Big Up all the Junglist Kru Inna Di Place!
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Compulsive viewing, what a great documentary.
got goosebumps multiple times during that documentary. wow
for me as a junglist this video just became the sweetest video on yt
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This is excellently done!! Truly impressed. Real, legit, thoughtful and thorough research and beautifully edited. The tunes used here demonstrate authentic knowledge and passion for Jungle, DnB, and early 90's rave in general. Honestly, really enjoyed this. Thanks
Splash - Babylon at 3:40 one of the best original jungle tracks
That's a d&b track. I know, I was into jungle/d&b all through the changing times.
The first jungle doc I've seen that covers everything I want it to, in perfect detail, with a perfect representitive selection of tunes.
Holy shit this is such an incredible video!
check that uk sound from bearinguk, is even better
The dot pattern visual treatment of this video is so amazing - kudos to whoever developed this
This is bloody awesome, thank you
Giving me chills this . Junglist since 98 , love it. Its as strong as ever with alot if the poineers still out dj ing every weekend.
Incredibly done! Long live Jungle!
Thank you so much. You crammed in so much information in 13 mins but tastefully so. I'm looking forward to learning more about this rich culture.
Nice one very enjoyable to watch, brings back lots of fun memories. The narrator is excellent, really told the story. Thank you.
Props to those keeping the true Jungle sound alive today - Tim Reaper, Dwarde, Kid Lib, Coco Bryce, Fresh 86, Rupture etc etc
This is formidably put together. Respect.
Fantastic video. Accurate and informative for those who might be new and trying to understand what Jungle is.
Great mini documentary! :D Loved the visuals, all the detailing of how Jungle came to be, and the music picked out while talking about such (and thank you for listing it all in the description)!
I love these in depth, somewhat nerdy in the best sense documentaries!
So good! I love learning about the evolution of genres in general, but this was a fascinating and incredibly well produced overview.
Jungle. The first style that got its hooks in me. From the UK to my ears in Upstate NY in the 90's.
Bless up and thanks abound
Please can someone tell me what the song is called that starts @00:50? I don't think the song list is in the correct order.
Brilliant work on making this doc on the history on jungle. Thank you!
Awesome piece of work. RA makes better docs than most of the news networks
A brilliant short documentary. Not only ‘took me back’, but reminded me of the lay of the land and even made the specific origins of the sound very clear. Well done!
Yessss fantastic and concise
Thanks for the update and explanation, VA. My kids can ever more so appreciate my vinyl collection at the family home 😊.
Loved it. But it didn’t answer the more interesting question , what defines the difference between jungle and drum and bass? The question is still open and not answered by the doco. Anyone ?
It’s the funk
Drum and bass is mechanical, Jungle has soul... it's like the difference between House and Deep House, Trance and PsyTrance
@@vanessashaver8199 Wrong.
The question in University Challenge was open enough that Drum & Bass was also a completely valid answer to it, and the team should have been awarded a point.
The answer to that question is this. There were several incidents of people firing guns at raves between 94 and 95, and there were two relevant consequences to that: firstly, some smart promoters started telling nightclub owners, "oh no mate, my rave's not a jungle rave, it's a D&B rave" - because to do otherwise would have meant the end of a financial gravy train for those promoters. Secondly, at the same time, a group of producers thought, " I don't really like some of the directions this music is going in", so they got together and decided to consciously differentiate themselves from the parts of the scene which they didn't much care for anymore - which meant, among other things, choosing to classify their music under a different name, even though it was ultimately the same music. Fast forward 30 years later, and people think they ARE two different genres, when they are really two different styles of the same genre - in the same way that Miles Davis and Duke Ellington play different styles of jazz.
Beautifully done. My life at adolescent years, vinyl and raves. Music for your Mind, Body and Soul. BIG UP Junglists!
iconic selection of track IDs thanks ra
I love these little snippets of music history from RA. Keep ‘em coming!
WELL DONE RA .. Ta for this one
This is such an incredible video! So well done, no frills, perfect examples. Thank you RA!
Bravo on putting this together. What a great video.
Not a single MFer better ask for a track ID. RA putting in ALL there work on this one. Absolutely fantastic video. Persistent goosebumps.
What’s the tune at the beginning?@0:52
@@johnnymatter93System Ex - Mindgames (Dub Mix), there's an exhaustive tracklist provided in the description
@@MrSelectabwoy thanks. Mb for not reading it. Discog prices are interesting for this one!
I truly enjoyed this.
Thanks for the tracks in the description. 👌👌
A fantastic documentary. Really well put together and produced.
This was way better than it had any right to be. We need a part two talking about the expansion of jungle into DNB, Hardcore, Dubstep, Pirate radio etc etc…. So many topics you could expand on
not at all afraid to say BEAUTIFUL
Incredible work!!
Guys! Amazing vid, thank you! I adore jungle!
Love you RA, never stop making the coolest videos please
One of the best vids on jungle I've seen! But... the influence of Belgian (and NYC) hardcore techno is critically overlooked. It was this that gave the vital 'vroooommm!' that carried raving from the euphoric house of the 80s into the frenetic experience of the 90s, and there's no doubting what a crucial element a well used hoover can be in sending the dancefloor into a frenzy. System X - Mindgames at 1:01 is a great example.
Good shout this. Belgian & US techno samples were a critical piece of the Terminator EP and much of the earlier Reinforced stuff, among a ton of other early hardcore/jungle techno
It was to a great deal Fabio & Grooverider's selections that laid a lot of the foundation for D&B and that featured stuff like Photon - "Security" by Hans Olav Grøttheim (of Y.B.U fame)
The Belgians had a pretty healthy electronic scene in the 80s- EBM and New Beat, so it's not really surprising that they adopted US techno and made their own sound.
Superb film!... and the tunes are minblowingly good still :)
Another documentary that gets it completely wrong, the predecessor of jungle was old school hardcore which dominated British nightlife for at least two years, hardcore was dominantly British but was a sound that producers the world over converged on in 1991 / 1992, it's influences were less about house and acid house and more about Belgian techno. It was never solely a second generation black scene, and neither were it's producers, it was a British working class musical movement.
When jungle (previously called jungle techno) started to dominate the hardcore, it split primarily into jungle and happy hardcore, but other people headed towards techno which was taking off and house music though back then house and techno were much smaller scenes.
Assuming that it was primarily a second generation black musical movement because the major influence is reggae is not accurate, there were plenty of white and asian producers across all the musical styles, there was never a black and white divide among fans of any of these genres, there was never a racial divide these were British working class musical movements. The generation we are talking about saw beyond race. Everyone partied together.
Confusing all those genres at the beginning puts them all out of time.
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I agree. It came out of stuff like Omni Trio and the ragga was just a particular flavour of it. There was a whole happy hardcore scene ongoing at the same time and I was never into it tbh. Plenty of white jungle producers around and Asian too, otherwise how would people like Talvin Singh have become popular later in the decade? The scene was multicultural and the whole point of it was that it transcended boundaries of race and brought young people together under one roof. The world needs something like that now more than ever.
don't you think it's a bit much to say "THE predecessor" regarding something with pretty diverse roots, influences, and elements? like, the documentary lays out pretty well where different pieces of influence come from. the piece you're mentioning is missing but still i would disagree that this documentary gets it completely wrong
Agree 100% those who were there know the real story, many people today could not imagine it could be so, as the aim of the influential and powerful is to divide instead of unify, to keep the working classes mad at each other/fighting with each other rather than against those who benefit most off misery divide and conquer.
i love that Producer 01 by LTJ Bukem threads through this doc from start to finish. that compilation is my childhood, foundation and fave album of all time! 💓
Goldie was talking about pitch shifting in that clip, not time stretching.
Great little doc! What an amazing genre. I got to know jungle from the Ali G in da House movie 😅
Jungle is like Fight Club.
The defining factor to jungle is highly intimate and sometimes esoteric. Anyone who actually gets it would never reveal it to an outsider.
Also, LTJ Bukem has 0 jungle tracks, absolutely 0. I think thats enough evidence to show that this documentary was way in over its head, despite being well produced and fun to watch.
What an amazing video, so well produced thank you team for putting this together. Peace.
This video does not address the fact that "Drum & Bass" was also actually a valid answer to the University Challenge question that was posed, and the team should have been given a point.
(For those who falsely think my statement here is incorrect, then please next read the many further replies to this post below, as I have likely already addressed and countered your concerns.)
"Drum & bass" is not *Jungle*
@@jamesbarker2223 that doesn't mean that it wasn't also a valid answer to the actual open question which University Challenge asked.
@@PhatInAHat D&B is not early 90s
Long dark tunnel by Andy C in the early 90’s is very DnB sounding, actually!
@@010101110100 Note the successful compilation 'The Dark Side: (Hardcore Drum & Bass Style)' released on React in March 1993; and also the track MI 7 'Rockin' Down The House' (91 Drum 'n' Bass Remake) from 1991.
0:17 i ve got the toughest smile for months when i ve heard it for the first time. this calmness and confidence of the show runner, saying these iconic words is like a mirror how jungle relates to dnb. sorry for my english
Great! But "why is drum n bass the wrong answer?" Is the eternal question that will never be answered!!!
Indeed - it was actually a valid correct answer to the question and they should have been given the point.
Yeah disappointed the video didn't actually go into the difference between the two, though in regards to the original question "reggae soundsystem culture" is the key phrase here
@@smolbeanregarder D&B also has roots in reggae soundsystem culture - the phrase 'Drum and Bass' used to be put on the B-Sides of reggae records in the 70s for the dub versions of tracks. King Tubby did this often. There was even a reggae label in the 80s called 'Drum & Bass Production'.
This video is without a doubt documentary perfection. I draw my hat guys.
A lower BPM window, sticking to chopped live drum samples, or basic hardware drum machines, there are a handful of sampled sound effects heard in 90% of jungle tunes, atmospheric pads.
Problem is that describes early DnB as well.
@@drifter402 blurred lines tbh, like how early grime is the same as dark garage
@@realeyesrealisereallies97 Well it was some sort of big thing back in the day I've heard. 4hero, Goldie, LTJ Bukem were considered DnB and apparently people could get quite angry if this music was called Jungle
Yep you’re right they were generally considered dnb. But yeah the lines are very blurred to be fair.