Would be cool to see Universal Rules make a comeback, not as a proper competition but a one-off AFL v NRL all stars game like the International Rules series
Surprised you mention Aussie rules starting to gain steam in the US and you forgot 1 key aspect Pat O'Dea as a school teacher in San Francisco teaching the game to his school students
Don't get me started on the offside rule, I have seen many fantastic goals being screwed over being disallowed rewarding lazy defending in Soccer, a game where goals are almost impossible to score without a bit of luck behind it. This is the reason why if you don't want the opposition to score, Get your Defenses to man up on the opposition forwards.
I wonder what all these different codes of football would evolve to if you removed the offside rule. Reckon soccer would look pretty interesting. The first games of Victorian Rules began with each team lining up on the opposite halves (like soccer) before they realised how redundant that was.
@@thegaz-man Agreed, while I am perfectly fine with both teams starting on opposite sides of the ground, there needs to be a common sense approach that as soon as the ball goes inside the forward Rectangle, that is when the Offsides Flags should be turned off so we can see some real goals being scored and force defenders to man up on their opponents. Maybe I am too grown up on AFL Football but I always saw Offside rule to be exploited by defenders who took advantage of their line positions and penalize legit attempts when strikers are trying to get goals.
Interesting video and not heard anything of this before but assume the Frankenstein description mostly sums up it was flawed as an idea from the start. Bit like AFL X in our own time. I am a little surprised how deep into the 1900's this idea had any legs. I would have assumed an idea of some universal football would have had more chance in 1870's when Victoria Rules football probably still had some use of a more round ball and was less than a generation old. You did make a good point about a World War on in some of this time period so it probably hard to imagine living in that time out how it would affect your thinking about sports in general. I am up in foreign territory now in banana bender world and driving here seeing Rugby fields in towns as drove here always feels weird to me it all on the same land mass as the game Australian Rules football is played. I can never see any forms of Rugby or American Gridiron as anything but stupid ideas but for whatever reason it is part of the culture for these codes in New South Wales, Queensland, New Zealand, USA and parts of Britian. Least with soccer and Gaelic football in Ireland they are still essentially kicking a ball with a foot but throwball of any kind just amazing these games actually found places where people that live there is what they know as "football". Back to "real" football. I hope in our lifetime, the ideas of Leigh Matthews floated last month gets some traction as concussion is not going away as an issue for our sport. Our current mode of football is less interesting to watch when so many players are coming on and off the field so regularly you cannot be sure what player is missing from your team on field at any point. I have hated the explosion of interchange use by the coaches as a means for mass rotations since the early to mid 2000's. I still pine for a time when a player being benched for playing crap or a player on the bench from injury is the only reason we have an interchange bench. Rotations is my pet hate in football for the last two decades. May it die sometime this decade for the good of the sport.
Yeah it's really strange how sports have evolved. It's an interesting point you raise about interchanges - I'm kinda split in that more interchanges increase the pace of the game, which I like, but I also hate how much they fiddle with the rules (especially the sub, makes fantasy footy a joke), and how it basically killed the use of a proper second ruckman. I agree that it makes it hard to know if your favourite players are on the field.
So basically Rugby League with an oval ground? Would be interesting but I feel removing those rules (particularly tripping) would make the game horrendously violent, and adding full rucks would slow the game significantly
@thegaz-man no still be lining up like afl. No offsides or any of the other rules from league. Would make defence/defensive players more important then the offensive likes that get the attention these days. Think players like Ryan Crowley Brett kirk Cameron ling being more dominant due to defensive play styles while still racking up disposals
Thanks for the feedback, and thanks for the original suggestion! Always looking to do whatever I can to make the vids more enjoyable, so I'm glad that the quality's improved.
When you said they slated another round of talks for 1914 after the 1908 abortive ones..... who honestly did not know immediately how that was going to turn out, wherever they planned? Actually, there's a slew of these kinds of things.... not only like this... big changes in huge sports, but technology that was set to be released, huge infrastructure and architectural projects on the scale of rebuilding entire world famous cities, etc etc... that ALL began with ideas in the late 19th century, and snowballed in serious investment/action by the early 1910's......then, right when it was surely a done deal.... mustard gas, tin hats and the Red Baron. Happened with WWII, too, but with WWI, some of the 'almosts' and 'mighthavebeens' are way more interesting and history changings, had they happened.
Interestingly the VFA Schism was also affected by World War II. Would be really interesting to imagine how these things would have worked out if not for the wars. Wonder how much else in Aussie sports history got affected?
Even if it had gone ahead there likely would have been some form of the other sports continuing, almost like a Reformist movement to continue your analogy.
@@thegaz-man Well great vid BTW, I'm glad this didn't happen. I'm Kiwi and I love union, but Aussie Rules is the greatest sport on earth no contest, and league is kind of boring IMO. Imagine only having one code to follow... yawn.
Would be cool to see Universal Rules make a comeback, not as a proper competition but a one-off AFL v NRL all stars game like the International Rules series
Dude that would genuinely be so cool! Three match series maybe, one each in Vic, NSW and SA/QLD (rotating each year)
Doubt that’ll happen
AFL players sit out
“Sorry mate, some general soreness, can’t play”
I was in Vegas for NRL games. It was amazing. Can’t wait to go next year.
The atmosphere must have been awesome! AFL's probably gonna do like they did with Magic Round and copy it haha
Surprised you mention Aussie rules starting to gain steam in the US and you forgot 1 key aspect
Pat O'Dea as a school teacher in San Francisco teaching the game to his school students
Soccer on a cricket pitch. 20 players per side. 4 goals. mega Soccer.
Just got an image of a giant Hungry Hungry Hippos field in my head 🤣🤣
Don't get me started on the offside rule, I have seen many fantastic goals being screwed over being disallowed rewarding lazy defending in Soccer, a game where goals are almost impossible to score without a bit of luck behind it.
This is the reason why if you don't want the opposition to score, Get your Defenses to man up on the opposition forwards.
I wonder what all these different codes of football would evolve to if you removed the offside rule. Reckon soccer would look pretty interesting.
The first games of Victorian Rules began with each team lining up on the opposite halves (like soccer) before they realised how redundant that was.
@@thegaz-man Agreed, while I am perfectly fine with both teams starting on opposite sides of the ground, there needs to be a common sense approach that as soon as the ball goes inside the forward Rectangle, that is when the Offsides Flags should be turned off so we can see some real goals being scored and force defenders to man up on their opponents.
Maybe I am too grown up on AFL Football but I always saw Offside rule to be exploited by defenders who took advantage of their line positions and penalize legit attempts when strikers are trying to get goals.
Another great vid
Thanks so much!!
NSW and QLD would probably still a way to shit on it
Imagine how intense a four-way State of Origin series would be
Deadset wars would be started haha
This is fantastic! Thank you
Cheers, really glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid Gaz
Cheers!
Have little to add so... Engagement comment
Great work Gaz
Haha thanks for helping to game the algorithm 🤣
What a wild concept.
I'm glad it didn't happen but gee, I'd love to see what a game of Universal would have looked like
@@thegaz-man they should start by adding an “X” on the end of the name to make it fresh and edgy.
@@shmick6079 🤣🤣🤣 you know AFLX gets a lot of hate but it wasn't as bad as people think.
It was much worse.
@@thegaz-man 😂
Interesting video and not heard anything of this before but assume the Frankenstein description mostly sums up it was flawed as an idea from the start. Bit like AFL X in our own time. I am a little surprised how deep into the 1900's this idea had any legs. I would have assumed an idea of some universal football would have had more chance in 1870's when Victoria Rules football probably still had some use of a more round ball and was less than a generation old. You did make a good point about a World War on in some of this time period so it probably hard to imagine living in that time out how it would affect your thinking about sports in general. I am up in foreign territory now in banana bender world and driving here seeing Rugby fields in towns as drove here always feels weird to me it all on the same land mass as the game Australian Rules football is played. I can never see any forms of Rugby or American Gridiron as anything but stupid ideas but for whatever reason it is part of the culture for these codes in New South Wales, Queensland, New Zealand, USA and parts of Britian. Least with soccer and Gaelic football in Ireland they are still essentially kicking a ball with a foot but throwball of any kind just amazing these games actually found places where people that live there is what they know as "football".
Back to "real" football. I hope in our lifetime, the ideas of Leigh Matthews floated last month gets some traction as concussion is not going away as an issue for our sport. Our current mode of football is less interesting to watch when so many players are coming on and off the field so regularly you cannot be sure what player is missing from your team on field at any point. I have hated the explosion of interchange use by the coaches as a means for mass rotations since the early to mid 2000's. I still pine for a time when a player being benched for playing crap or a player on the bench from injury is the only reason we have an interchange bench. Rotations is my pet hate in football for the last two decades. May it die sometime this decade for the good of the sport.
Yeah it's really strange how sports have evolved.
It's an interesting point you raise about interchanges - I'm kinda split in that more interchanges increase the pace of the game, which I like, but I also hate how much they fiddle with the rules (especially the sub, makes fantasy footy a joke), and how it basically killed the use of a proper second ruckman. I agree that it makes it hard to know if your favourite players are on the field.
I’d love to see Universal Football get a run, even if it’s just a one-off game for amateurs. I’d volunteer to play if that was the case!
I'd actually be keen to put together a Universal Football game at some point!
Ahh, Rugby Union. The game you get your kids to play when they are bad at sport. I should know....I played it for 17 years.
Even after living in Sydney for a year, I'm still no closer to understanding it haha
It be a wired world where Aussie rules was Australian and a Us sport
For sure haha
Hmmm have aussie rules with rucks mauls and proper tackles and removing holding the ball tripping and in the back penalties
So basically Rugby League with an oval ground?
Would be interesting but I feel removing those rules (particularly tripping) would make the game horrendously violent, and adding full rucks would slow the game significantly
@thegaz-man no still be lining up like afl. No offsides or any of the other rules from league. Would make defence/defensive players more important then the offensive likes that get the attention these days. Think players like Ryan Crowley Brett kirk Cameron ling being more dominant due to defensive play styles while still racking up disposals
@@timnicholls19 ahhhh okay
Anything that goves Cameron Ling more of the ball has my full support. Loved watching that goofus
Great video as always and also thanks for addressing the audio problems, this sounds really good :)
Thanks for the feedback, and thanks for the original suggestion! Always looking to do whatever I can to make the vids more enjoyable, so I'm glad that the quality's improved.
When you said they slated another round of talks for 1914 after the 1908 abortive ones..... who honestly did not know immediately how that was going to turn out, wherever they planned? Actually, there's a slew of these kinds of things.... not only like this... big changes in huge sports, but technology that was set to be released, huge infrastructure and architectural projects on the scale of rebuilding entire world famous cities, etc etc... that ALL began with ideas in the late 19th century, and snowballed in serious investment/action by the early 1910's......then, right when it was surely a done deal.... mustard gas, tin hats and the Red Baron.
Happened with WWII, too, but with WWI, some of the 'almosts' and 'mighthavebeens' are way more interesting and history changings, had they happened.
Interestingly the VFA Schism was also affected by World War II. Would be really interesting to imagine how these things would have worked out if not for the wars.
Wonder how much else in Aussie sports history got affected?
Like attempts to unify religion, this would of just created a new sport, that's all.
Even if it had gone ahead there likely would have been some form of the other sports continuing, almost like a Reformist movement to continue your analogy.
@@thegaz-man Well great vid BTW, I'm glad this didn't happen. I'm Kiwi and I love union, but Aussie Rules is the greatest sport on earth no contest, and league is kind of boring IMO. Imagine only having one code to follow... yawn.
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