Sick Six Pack - 440 MOPAR Diagnosed on Dyno
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Even tho the customer wasn't looking for maximum performance, this classic MOPAR 440 Six Pack had plenty of issues that needed to be taken care of on Nick's dynamometer. Let's watch Dr. Nick as he puts this old engine though the paces.
It would be wonderful to see a 398 mopar in the Dy room. Keep up the good work your very talented.
Hey Nick your freaking awesome ,your mechanic is very lucky to have such a experienced & inspirational teacher as you.keep up the good work..thumbs up from NZ.👍
One thing that always impresses me when I watch your videos, Nick...You are a good guy. You always treat people right. I think that has contributed to your success even more than your expertise.
Well well well...l am 77 years old today...Jan 6th....Thanks very much Nick....The super cool Nick's Garage in 2020 what could be better for car guys....!
Another happy customer, you can't go wrong with chocolate milk.Mr.Nick take care,you and the crew stay safe.
Thanks Terry.
Had good times runnin B/ RB wedge motors. The 72' forged crank 400 4spd RR in my iron ran a best of 11:88 at the old Suffolk speedway on LI back when a buck got you TWO gallons of Sunoco 260 !
Nick's garage, this si why I really enjoy watching this , he never gives up and goes to the nitty gritty to find the problem and shares it.....GREAT SHOW
R+D in the corporate world normally means research and development. When it comes to modified muscle at Nick’s Garage; R+D means rumble and dance. I’ve seen numerous 440’s get the crap beat out of them years ago but it’s still amazing to see their resilience.
Nick,I used to be a yard jockey moving tractor-trailer trailers around for a major paper products company here in the States...twelve hour days..and when the canteen truck came in for our breaks,instead of coffee,I hit up the chocolate milk! Lots of caffine in chocolate my friend!
I love the overhead camera shot. You can watch the outboard carbs just dumping that fuel!
I noticed what I thought was fuel dripping from center carb right after the "cleaning" was done, and it still looked like it was dribbling some fuel after that last run. With that overhead camera shot and a bunch of people looking at it i am surprised nobody noticed.
Like those HP number, and the torque was great. Good job.
I really am blessed . I got home early . The kids and grandkids are healthy and happy inside and warm . some nice drinks and some more nice drinks if I want . You should see the sandwiches and comfort snacks I've been blessed with today . And. A FRESH NEW EPISODE OF NICKS GARAGE . I am truly thankful I just need to take my boots off now and enjoy . Greetings and blessings to all of you .
todd. ENJOY.
What a great line Nick says ''I built this engine three years ago... the guy sold the car, but he kept the engine.'' CLASSIC‼️®™️
NICK.... The mad scientist❗️
I so love the sound of the 440. The 6 pack is awesome.
You guys should have your own show on tv if you don’t already my new favorite thing to watch on RUclips
I like how the kowalski's exhaust is on the intro now ;)
Good ears!
@@NicksGarage Nick, is your dyno distributor modified so all mechanicle timing is in by about 2000 rpm??? I noticed you set the timing at 34 degrees but not revving the motor up that high. Thx Tim Love your show!
@@timbishop7824 . I rev them until the timing stops climbing. In some cases I rev them much higher.
Nick Panaritis , how much total timing without vacuum advance do you like to run on steel head, 509 purple shaft cam, SixPak 440 with 93 octane on the street???
@@timbishop7824 . With a cylinder pressure of let's say 175 PSI, good quench, around 31 - 33 degrees.
I wish we had a NICK'S GARAGE in Las Vegas ;-(
When you were testing the motor and the camera shot was from above the carb's ,I noticed a spark between front and middle carb. ?. Thanks for another GREAT video. GOD BLESS
Rick
I noticed that as well. Not sure if it was a spark, or leaking fuel however! I hope Nick answers about it!
Looked like a puddle of fuel to me, Nick mentioned a remaining leak on the center carb. Definitely not a spark
I saw it as well but assumed it was part of the linkages rattling around . Did sparkle more as revs rose though ... nope - it’s that lead rubbing against linkages !!!
I noticed that too. Zoomed in it's definitely a spark. Hmmm🤔 Now that I took another look it looks more like a puddle of fuel.
@@stephenflowers8516 Yeah, I think it's light reflecting on a small puddle of fuel in a well of the intake.
Dang Nick... I am mostly content being an old fart, I can still fish a bit and get around a bit.. But when I put on your videos.. well ... I just want to be young again.. back to building my hot rods and my racing cars.. excitement and life all around.. I should stop watching these videos.. But I just can't help myself.. I still love it.. I mean, I still fall asleep building engines and drive trains in my mind.. Building cars from the ground up.. what fun that was.. I still have all of my old manuals to.. I can't seem to let them go.. it is like if I do that then I am truly and certainly done.. Keeping them means that I can always pick up a wrench sometime and get back to it.. Be forever young Nick! Carry on! and I will be content to watch.. Thank you for feeding my needs...
tink. Hang on to those books.
@@nickpanaritis4122 yup.. I most definitely will.. probably pass them on to my son.. although he is not much of a mechanic..
I'm sure you've heard of the one existing ball stud Hemi, it was just mentioned in an article on the National Auto and Truck Museum in Auburn Indiana, behind the Auburn Cord Museum, and Uncle Tony's garage also had a discussion on how the engine was almost destroyed by being modified.
no the engine is destroyed because they modified it rather than leaving it stock, it runs but nothing is original doesn't even look like the original ball stud hemi
The 440 Ball Stud Hemi is an engine that belongs on an engine stand, for all the world to see. This 440 Six Pak belongs in a car to have the hell driven out of it. He could pop the hood to show it off after blowing some brand "X" off the road. Let's take it from there.
Ball stud Hemi, Mopar with Chevy heads;-)
@@J.Ray1776 It had the D-shaped exhaust ports like a BBC and similar valve geometry but I believe it retained the hemispherical shape in the combustion chamber. It's similarity to the Chevy is probably why it never went into production.
@@J.Ray1776 sbc, the chevy v8 with ford heads :)
When Nick wants an engine to run like silk He gets some extra energy from his chocolate milk Nothing wrong with the way this one's been built. With a little finesse on the carbs in no time at all The owner can get back to giving it the large It's a shame it's only going back on an engine stand but hey I suppose it's a bird in the hand! This 440 six pack sure is grand!
Awesome to watch a true professional at work God bless good job
Never though the spray bottle could help diagnose a car issue :) I wish i know about this tool before i crack a chunk of one my 360 piston in my 72 Hornet with NO2,,,, It toke out the spark plug and i ran it on 7 cylinders for a week to from work :) i got new toy to play with a 73 401 AMX and sold the Hornet to my friend Kevin who was building up a 69 390 in a 77 AMC Hornet ,, we pull the head together to find the damage :) live and learn , thanks for letting us in to your shop and get to watch what gos on :)
Better Nicks Garage working on that 6 pack then me! The 6 pack is one of the most frustrating carb set ups to get running and tuned proper. I would go crazy🤯🤯🤯🤑🤑🤑!!!"
Hi Nick greetings from down under, to see a young guy pulling down and reassemble a carb nowadays is indeed a rare thing, when i ask about getting my 4 barrel qjet tuned all the local shops say if its not EFI they got no idea how to to that LOL
That was awsome nick love your show from down under
Thanks Ben!
That took some troubleshooting to finally get the number cylinder to fire correctly. Good job guys!
👍The sweet sound of Big Block success👍Good stuff from the master
Some people either don't know the limitations of the engine or don't care..all they know is how much does it cost to fix it..I've had several discussions with some of my customers and it went in one ear and out the other..i always told them i would be happy to fix or replace it as long as they were buying..lol.. hope you had a good new year Cheers friend 🍹🍹🍹🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nick, I just found this video! I can't believe I missed this one. As usual, another great video taking me down Muscle Car Lane and bringing back great memories of my youth! Bill Jamison from Linglestown Pennsylvania
Nice.. like finding five bucks in the laundry.
@@NicksGarage Right on!
That Road Runner again!!!!!! Besides Kowalski that's my favorite car I've seen on your channel. Great work on the 440 six pack. I doubt seriously the owner will want a rev limited on it. Thanks for sharing as always.
Hi Nick, I just bought my dad's 77 vette...36k (miles) on the odometer...cant wait for winter to end here in Indianapolis...it has a fresh 3:55 posy... Its ready to go...love your vids Sir...keep up the great work...Happy NewYear...
Great start to week Nick :) Always love watching dyno pulls, it's where reality starts and bench racing ends lol. Have a great week Nick and crew!!! BeepBeep
Thanks Nick once again for an informative video re the chocolate milk finally my eldest believes me. That 440 wasn't bad after a few of your tricks either Nick but I think a rev limiter is a definite for your client given what you say about his heavy foot!
Nick's Garage, like a Swiss clock. Lovely. Greetings from Finland.
Milk is good for the body!!! Sounds really good from a Chevy guy....but I am a car guy really!!! Every car or truck is worth the work!!! Happy New Year to all your family, staff and friends!! God bless, take care and stay safe!!!!
A customer who is a lead foot.? Had a few girl friends who qualified for that name.
Back in the day the local repair shops loved those kind of drivers.
I think it's still true now .
Happy New Year Nick.
You are a master technician.
The chocolate milk in Quebec is the best, I'm in Ottawa and every time I go to Gatineau I pick some up. Good power out of that 440!!!
Right on!
Not only that but the Kit Kats you have in Canada, are far better than the ones we get in the US. When I go to Montreal for the F-1 race every year in June, I always bring back a bunch of Canadian Kit Kats! They are the best!
Sounds like Nick should install a rev limiter on the ignition circuit to protect this awesome engine from being destroyed.
I always thought the six pack made good sense. Sure it can be a chore to sinc the carbs and keep the linkage adjusted but with a good sized two barrel as primary it can allow more air flow than the primary of a four barrel and breathe better at wide open throttle.
I was made to believe some engines use less fuel at cruising speed if the carb is big enough to allow sufficient air flow. If the primary of a four barrel is too small for the engine, it will be using the secondaries to maintain cruise speed and thereby use more fuel. That is assuming the secondaries are vacuum operated as one of mine was.
Awesome footage and a lot of knowledge keep them coming nick! This is the reason I haven’t watched tv for a long time..
Love a Six Pack when it opens up!
I agree you can't beat a tep gun to check out an engine or brakes that might be hanging up or not adjusted right good video nick can't wait for spring !!
440 6 pack with 500 hp and 550 lbs of torque capable spinning 6000 rpm +.......heaven...
500 hp GROSS on the bench is 410 hp NET installed in the car.....compared to a 2019 Dodge SRT with 485 hp NET installed in the car--not even close..no way these old motors can match the new ones.
you understand that was a mildly tuned engine with min. computer controls and a carburetor, right......not everyone cares about gross hp, ESPECIALLY when driving classic muscle
@@jfk64kennedy95 "mildly tuned" I think NOT. A stock 1970 vintage 440-6 claimed 390 hp gross by the old rating that was dropped in 1972. Under the new industry standards used for the past 48 years, the 440-6 is really 325 sae net horsepower compared to a 2019 Dodge 5.7 at 375 net hp. or SRT at 485 hp, BOTH will outclass and outrun this 440-6 easy. 500 gross is about all you can get out of a street 440-6 on a bench and be driveable, and installed in the car with air cleaner and mufflers, this will drop to about 410/425. Again, getting more out of this old design just isn't going to happen--I have yet to see any NICK video where he got more than 550 gross out of a street 440--have you? The newer engines are just better and these older ones are more for show and noise than power--because the power potential is just not there. By the way, the REAL horsepower of the old 426 Hemi is not 425, as claimed, but really 350, only 15 more than a 2019 Camaro with 335 hp V-6. I am sure Nick does good work, but the horsepower ratings on his gauges don't mean much.
@@chadhaire1711 blah blah blah you're clearly uneducated about what a carbed big block can do with the technology that is out there today. Just shut up and go spew your useless information elsewhere
Always looking for my Monday morning fix >> thanks for another great video
Thanks for joining us.
Do you keep dyno records? I assume if you built that motor before it got dynoed then, what were the numbers then? I assume that dip in the torque around 3400rpms is caused by the other 2 carbs opening up? Could they be tuned to open later to make a straighter torque curve and loose the dip?
I loved it! Nick: look at this curve ... it's still going up at 5700 rpm ... let's take this to 6000 rpm ... a momentary thought by Nick -- hey Vasily, check to see if there is any noise coming from the valve train! 😂😂😂 Love it!! Well done Nick!👍👏
Another great Video from the Mopar Master!
awesome trouble shooting Nick nothing like haveing a dyno bent rod is just a missed shift that baby saw some good rpm, I remember those days lol
Happy New Year to you and all the gang, I love old school muscle so thanks for getting me, my fix
Dr. Nick,thanx for the show,that was fun.
Thanks for watching, Eric. Tell a friend?
@@NicksGarage I have.
One of these days I will have a wedge or a hemi. Nick I love your videos
I have learned so much from you. Thank you!
Blown power valve? Cracked distributor cap? No kidding, Chocolate Milk? All those college kids cramming for their midterms are wrong? Lol!
And I still can't tell w bad I want to work for Nick! So much to learn from the master!
As far as RPM goes, a co-worker of mine built a solid cam 383 with closed changer heads, ported by Valley Head Service. He spun that motor to 7500 rpm regularly, but he built it for high rpm, and it screamed at the track. It ran high 11.00's in a 70 Challenger, with full interior, no weight removed.
Now as for this engine. The 440 with a Mopar Performance .509 292 cam, ported iron heads, Holley Street Dominator single plane manifold with a 0.3310 750 cam carb and headers makes 521 horsepower, when it has the exhaust heat crossover installed along with a windage tray. It's an old school combo that Mother Mopar developed in the late 70's that was featured in just about every magazine out there at one time or another. When you put that engine in a Duster with 4.30's and 10X29.5 slicks you had a 10.90 comp car that was very consistent, especially with a 727 and low gear set that had 2.75-1 first gear and a 2500 stall converter. It was the car I was going to build, but never had the money to do so.
ken. It would have been a great race car.
at 14:35 and several other places right about the 6-7 o'clock position I see fuel dripping on the carb or is that a spark jumping on the carb? What is that?
We think you are seeing a little puddle of gas under the middle carb.
I noticed that as well, thought it was arcing
Looked like an arc ,
grabir01 / got to be fuel
they caught it around the 19 minute mark. If that isn't a pool under there, then they still had to work on it more. Kept seeing the same thing you saw, even at the end of the video.
While you build solid, reputable engines and cars Nick, I got to give Chrysler some credit too. For all that 440 has gone through and then some, it goes to show just how great Chrysler made that engine.
Gerry Br. I totally agree with you. Chrysler built great engines of all kinds.
I love Mopar, I wish you weren't so far away. Happy New Year.
We'll be right here.
I'd do a complete compression test, which will be very easy with the engine out of the car. Call the customer and reccomend a teardown inspection. Don't waste time with owners that don't know squat. Shows how respectful this man is, exhausts every option and then says what he found.
Awesome video from DR MOPAR.👍👍
Your a good man Nick you care about other people looking after their engines and I think you should put a rev limiter on it and hide it
Hi Nick`s. Happy new year 2020. A great video only pure power and sound for my ears. Congratulations and greetins from Venezuela.
Rev Limiter,,,,,a great topic for a Friday night.
Love seeing it sucking in that fuel on the front carb
Classy move Nick .lettin Vasile take the helm THUMBS UP !
Nick & the Boyz at work. 😃
Thanks Nick, for another great Video, I personally really enjoy the Dyno, Looking forward to the next one
Mornin nick..great vid..hope the holidays went well for ya.
another 440 fixed and ready to go, good numbers on hp/tq
Nick's right, you can't go wrong with a Fel-Pro gasket, never done me wrong
Nice Job Nick and Crew! I got 2 of you shirts for Christmas. Love them!
Thanks Robert. We appreciate your support.
Interesting episode ! INFORMATIVE .
So I watching and your diagnosing the 6pack. I can here that is is popping through the intake. My brain tells me cam going flat on #1 exhaust. You will still have compression. But it is pushing the compression into the manifold.
He did a leak down test and it failed, but they never stated where the air was going off to. They can't figure out why it is misfiring? They wouldn't make good drive-ability techs in a dealership or independent shop that works on modern vehicles.
Stu Jones ... restricted flow on exhaust stroke keeps pressure high within cylinder, which then first vents to intake valve when it opens before commencing to draw in air fuel mixture. Kind of like the dreaded partial fart. It’s still there. But you want it out.
Roller cams don't go flat bro
Keith S tell that to gen 3 hemis haha
Great job Nick! Tell the customer it makes max power at 5600 rpm, so there’s no need to rev it beyond that. (he probably still won’t listen though... lol!)
Good job Nick Happy New Year!
Excellent, Nick..
Thank You once again Nick✌🙏
Number 1 plug wire is shorting to the header, it's right on the header
You go Nick🙌great content & editing 💪much love from Detroit 😎
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You can see the fuel leak is still there at 19:37. As the fuel drips it sparkles
Yea it was dripping fast huh.
From time to time there is a spark jumping from the front most wire to the valve cover...shaky Idle!
Another great video, Nick and George, thank you
Thanks Pete.
Seemed to improve itself each run.
If that had been running with one valve not opening for a while there would possibly be some crusties around the valve that take a few runs to dislodge so it seals properly.
Everyone go to Nick's garage for a fun time!!!
CAR CRAFT in 60's article "SICK PACK" (think it was) Great fix on complete carb det up!
Sweet looking 68' Charger. Please do a review on it.
You guys are in good hands, each of you.
You have a spark on the center carb if you watch the video when he is adjusting the throttle rod you can see a spark between the float bowl and front carb or there is something shimmering between the two of them....geeesh hope I am not loosing my mind......did the power valve go? That stumble there? Strange could the lifter also have cause a flat spot on a love? Intake or exhaust?
Cool start....
Another Awesome Vídeo Guy's!! Love the Videos on the 440 six pack its the holy grail for me... Thanks
Those 6 pack carbs were always a pain to keep running right
Why they got smart with 1 four barrel carb later in the 60s.
Another great video on a cold Monday! Those six packs :D Nick, do you guys ever get straight six chevys or slant six builds in for more HP? I would love to see some of those on your dyno. I'm modding a 53 Bel Air 4 door in gasser style, mine had no motor when I got it, but if it had a straight six I was thinking of building it. Love your channel still!
I know the problem with this engine! THE OWNER. Treat it with respect or give it to some poor guy who will.
@Dave Micolichek There is a difference between thrashing and abusing.
@Dave Micolichek wrong. Nick told the story don't you watch?
@Dave Micolichek you're wrong
His money, he can do what he likes with it!
great intro George ! great episode ! chocolate milk ! chocolate has caffine ...try a café mocha ! lol
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My dad explained timing to me like this if its popping fire from the carb it's firing with the intake valve open and if it pops out the exauste its firing with the exaust valve open adjust timing until it stops:-)
Jeff. True, but not always.
Love a good 6-Pack.
You can get a non-contact thermometer for about $25, which I find very helpful when checking header temperature
Tom. You are correct, and I have one in the office. Should have used it.
I actually like seeing it done the old school way!
Infrared thermometer.
Talk to him Nick,REV LIMITER!
After running three deuces for a lot of years, there is one "benefit" to them.....you triple your problems! For me it wasn't a matter of tuning but some of the stuff Nick is finding. That said, when they are on the money, they're wonderful! For Holleys it seemed like their dependence on gaskets by their design was most of the problem for me.....the old cork gaskets or cheap gaskets were miserable with particles all over hell plus shrinkage that would either plug passages or open up leaks. The new blue gaskets were much better. I ran Webers, which do not rely on gaskets, and had zero problems.....just set the up and they stayed. Even 4-bbl Holleys can have the same problems.....AFB or AVS, no. Great video as usual....are you guys freezing your butts off up in Canada?
Agree. I've had three six pack cars. Gasket shrinkage, and honestly they work better if they are set up with Progressive linkage. For Street cruising a lot of guys liked the vacuum secondaries, and I've had those too but they are prone to getting holes in them over time. Nothing quite like that hit though, when you dump them on the street you better have some good suspension and tire setup back there LOL
@@70stunes71 Right on. I think a bit of the problems with the vacuum setups was that it is difficult to find to diaphragms/springs that react just the same. I used to have that problem on dirt bikes I raced with twin shocks....one always seemed to be different than the other, leading to a twisting of the swing arm and frame = handling quirks. I must not have been the only one as everything went to one shock. When I set up mechanical linkage on a car I rarely had a problem. I'm an old guy and my first set of 3-deuces were Strombergs on my '57 Ford 312. I hid the engine from my father out on the ranch but one day I was in the barn changing oil on my hot rod Ford when Dad came into the barn(I thought he was with the cattle). When he looked under the hood and saw those 3 pots he exploded.....he knew why his gas barrel was mysteriously getting empty. Anyway, after he got over the shock, he wanted to drive the car......family counseling '50's style..... Those Strombergs were miserable to get jets for and change them. He had a big smile on his face.....wanted to borrow my car.
I had Webers on a Chevy much later on.....those things are magic. The Italians know how to do carbs.....I've heard DellOrtos are great, too. Hang in there. Do you remember the Holley 3-barrel with the huge secondary(no divider).....they used them in NE on highway patrol cars.....427 Fords then. In NE you had to be well over 6 ft tall, eat raw meat, and have a personality like your mother-in-law to be a lawman. It was "Yes, Sir" all the way then. Keep the Faith
Hey I seen what looked like a spark to me on the center carb jumping around speractically at first I thought it was fuel but it didnt look like it to me could be why it was falling on its face alittle bit under load I had a big block Chevy do me the same way in old Chevelle I fooled with it and fooled with it got tired of messing with it and waited till dark and cranked it up and discovered one new spark plug wire was the issue it was grounded out firing of the back of the header around the boot couldn't see it in the day light great job Nick love all your content