Koleda scoring lower might be due to including all stages. Players doing lower stages tend to gravitate to f2p chars (Anby) which are easier to clear giving more points.
If you have the team for her, Koleda is almost on par with Lycaon when it comes to daze damage and capitalizing on it. But if you don't have Anton or Grace or S11 as your DPS, it's really hard to use her (even if you pair her with Ben to maker her a pseudo-sub-dps)
even tho koleda and lycaon has same daze strengh, lycaon has buff that actually work for a dps that is ellen. koleda doesn't have a DPS that really benefit from her chain atk buff, until hoyo release a DPS with high scaling chain atk damage bonus, koleda will just stuck there under lycaon.
I generally use Nicole on my Ice team and she works really well with both Lycaon and Ellen. Her ability to group enemies in tandem to Lycaon being able to stun every mob in front of his EX skill's range giving way to an easier access to maximizing Ellen's chain attack damage output really speeds up the run by a significant margin over Soukaku
Another point for Koleda is that if you don't have Soldier 11 as well, she effectively doesn't have a team, and the same is somewhat true of Soldier 11 and the odds are like 1/144 that you get both in 2 standard pulls, assuming the odds for engines and agents are the same on the standard banner, not accounting for lost 50/50s on limited banner. Only people with both are going to score particularly high with these units. But people are still going to use them apart, and their other teams are terrible. Koleda's is probably Grace/Anton? But they don't care as much about break so she's not useful there. Soldier's is likely Lycoan/Lucy but then no Lycoan passive, and both these teams have the same issue of needing specific standard characters. You could go mono fire with Ben/Lucy but where's the damage? No matter what you cook up it's just bad. So likelihood is people are using other, even worse teams. tl;dr Neither Koleda not Soldier have great teams fi they're not paired up and that's unlikely.
Im not sure about koleda but as someone who mained soldier 11 till zhu yuan came, my best team with her was with lucy and piper. Piper as a physical anomaly unit is just incredible and the 10% daze increase though doesn't sound great does help noticeably, making a stun unit less necessary. Both of them together could boost soldier 11 by a non-negligible amount too
koleda kinda has zy/lucy since she gets synergy from fire teammate and zy doesn't care about faction only support (and she rly likes attack) at least if your Nicole isn't m6 Lucy is actually solid
Lycaon and Koleda are both in super specific, niche team comps right now. I think once we start expanding outwards, they will improve before they get powercrept out I imagine. I've been playing Koleda, Lucy, Zhu Yuan which has been alright but doesn't feel as naturally synergistic as ZY and Nicole, but Anby feels way worse to me than Koleda for pure stun purposes. It's weird to me that Lycaon sees so much usage, likely outside of teams that he gets his passive synergy with. I had fun with Lycaon in the trials but I must be missing something with him. I wouldn't run Koleda, or Anby in teams that they wouldn't synergize with so I don't know
@@RogerNbr I have both Nicole c6 and Lucy c3. For the most part I run Koleda/lucy/zy or ben/lucy/zy. It's generally a little worse than the f2p Nicole Anby team but I get to spend more time as ZY on field shooting mfs, so it's been my go-to for content outside of Shiyu. I tend to use Nicole as support for ZY in shiyu but I've not found love for Anby yet, so I use Koleda even if she doesn't synergize for shiyu
Koleda's bug make her weaker than anby, they fix it later on,but people already use resource on anby or Lycaon,it's not wise to spend more resource for another stuner at the start of the game
there is simply prejudice against koleda people are not educated that she has invincibility frames heck if you press dodge during those animations where she doesn't have invincibility frames she will dodge so if you play her correctly you will have 100% invincibility uptime with her second point Koleda is more of an EX stunner than lycaon so using her on field at all times is not most effective but it's possible 3rd point at the currenta meta her 2nd core skill is not that useful so she can be used on any team also the BP weapon for stunners should be studied some more because it works with units that use EX as their stun means i imagine 24% on koleda's 700% daze (multiplicatively since no way they are gonna make you wait 16 seconds to get additive 24%) just imagine in due time people realizing how good these are and using Koleda to insta stun bosses
all S rank stunner have s, Lycaon is invulnerable when pressing skill too and last hit combot too, same as Qinqyi leaked gameplay only Anby is the one with no s
Invincibility frames don’t mean shit here. Lycaon also has them on EX skill and Anby. Her REAL value is super low field time and huge EX skill instant daze compared to Lycaon’s steady daze build up. I believe she can be the best stunner if you manage to make her get energy really fast and just unload EX attacks on enemies because of the time saved compared to Lycaon and Anby. That saved time can be used by your DPS instead
If you get Koleda from the standart baner and dup/support/weapon/nonDPS the second time (and not spend money on the standart baner), this mean that you don't have S rank DPS to pair with her and you can't capitalize of the stun... Koleda stuns much better then Anby, but if Anby have Zhu Yuan or other S rank DPS on her team the overal perfomance is better. The A rank DPS-s in this game are not that good.
@@henrymorales9584 like I said I got his to m6 and use his sig engine pair him with rina and anby and his damage especially when enemy got shock are insane his only prob is his energy gain but that not a big prob if you use his sig just play smart with his rotation
that and if you got Koleda rather late you're probably not gonna build her (Unless you already have Soldier somehow) because you've already been focusing the resources on Anby. While I use Koleda (With Piper and Lucy) I can't deny that Anby is fine enough right now to use over Koleda since if you don't have Soldier it's pretty rough to use Koleda.
Anby isn’t really easier to use since you have to use her charged/EX after the 3rd hit in combo to get the most out of her. Any time an enemy does an attack you have to doge and interrupt her before she reaches the 3rd hit. I’m definitely looking forward to getting another stunner to play with, not really a fun of her 3rd hit combo gimmick
this is what yall sound like: who cares about in-game mechanics right? fireflys raw dps is so low, shes trash! no ruan, no hmc, so bad! im just gonna listen to my whiney whitewashed excel players, kuki, noelle, yaoyao, sucrose, fischl, gaming, chevruse, sara, etc etc theyre all bad! my favorite white boy told me so 😔 i dont wanna have my own opinion! that's yall
Did many players got Lycaon? LOL. I also got him on my beginner banner and until now he's still my only S-rank standard banner unit (I have Ellen and Zhu Yuan).
Anby's assist actually dazes extremely fast. My teams for late shiyu are Anby/Nicole/ Zhu Yuan Koleda/Lucy/Soldier 11 and Nicole is so high probably because she does so much damage, wrecks defences, gathers enemies, and is on field for about a second
Use a bangboo that has that element , example they got ether shield but you don't have ether units , u can technically use all ice with ether bangboo and it'll help you a whole lot
@@maximgeldon With people barely clearing floor 17 using Ellen and Zhu Yuan, despite the Ether+Ice damage bonuses and enemy weaknesses, you can understand why the shield tip isn't that useful. I have both of them and can clear it, but the dps is still low because of gear quality and levels.
@@ziekfriedvonfinkenstein7290 Pure cap. 20% is a lot of damage to lose when you're low gear. Show your gear and clear speed if you want me to believe you. I don't know why you emphasized "dude" either.
@@ziekfriedvonfinkenstein7290 “im known as the player in multiple zzz discords🤓” you sound like a fucking nerd, please leave your basement and see the sun for the first time in years
5:20 I cleared critical 6 with Nicole, Grace, Rina (in that order) for first part and second part Sousaku, Ellen, Lycaon. I'm not surprised AT ALL about Nicole most ppl (me included) have her at M6 by now she is super useful now.
Not surprised Zhu Yuan is performing better than Ellen. She's much easier to build between her passive and m6 Nicole (which is actually not too hard to get with the generous rates on A ranks and only 2 rate ups)
Zhu has the fact that you can run her with two FREE characters and perform extremely well, while an Ellen team with Lycaon and without him has a massive gap, and not everyone has Lycaon at the moment. Not to bash either characters, I have both with sig engine but Zhu is much more f2p friendly I would say.
It clearly shows what pull value they have, and they know that and then say dont use it as pull value. :D Best teams: Ellen, Lycaon, Soukaku/Nicole / Zhu Yuan, Anby, Nicole / Nekomata, Piper, Lucy / Soldier 11, Koleda/Piper, Lucy!!!
Whys there so much Koleda shill? Shes straight up worse in dps increase and THIS CYCLE BUFF WAS ORIENTED TO ETHER ICE once a cycle has fire she will have better performance (Actually no? cuz the next stun was leak to have stun% buff....)
Anby's Core is just straight up better than Koleda since you can proc that every single attack chain, while Koleda needs her buff or enough energy for EX special. Probably a reason why Anby placed better than Koleda
100% guaranteed unit vs a gacha S rank in the first month no shit the free unit wins out. Koleda is a little hindered by her kit but she's a lot more comfy than Anby for stun times and survivability. IMO the only significant factor Anby has over Koldea right now is better team comps, and access to Nicole and her passive synergy. Nicole looking like the best 4 star right now and she pairs so well with ZY it's crazy
Anby was better than koleda for Stun bc of koleda’s bug too so people spent their materials for anby but now koleda is better without her bug (shes a S rank ofc)
It's too early for any of these stats to mean anything but it's hilarious to sort by score because you get to look at all the jank teams that a single account used and got an S rank clear with
Soldier having more use makes sense because she's a dps and can still work even if you don't have koleda for stun If I had to guess, people might not be too savvy on using grace and/or rina with a dps of a different element or building a 4 star dps like Anton to use them with Still, Rinas not super far from soldier anyway Grace being marginally lower than both of them makes sense too even if she's a 5 star anomaly, she's the only one in her specific class and doesn't have a 5 star DPS to pair with, and disorder teams arent super popular or tested enough and definitely require a degree of skill most casuals or F2Pers care to invest in or possess the material to use It seems generally speaking for 5 stars: Attack > Stun > Support > Anomaly >>>>>>> Defense
The sample size would also be smaller for Lycaon too though... Anby may not be as good as the 5 star stuns but she isnt bad at all either her skill has some crazy stun scaling and her energy regen with her weapon can allow you to spam EX
Anby is higher because she is more flexible than Koleda atm, She can enter in Ellen (A lot of players still don't have Lycaon) and Zhu Yuan teams (Since Zhu Yuan uses Nicole), Koleda is just better in slot in Soldier 11 but not everyone has Soldier 11 and Koleda in the same account. When we get a limited banner Fire-DPS or even a 4* Fire-DPS she will definitely have more usage
Also, Ben active counter damage and daze with c6 e6 is pretty crazy, and fairly obtainable if you are pulling for zhu yuan/engine. His flaw is not as good on a break, with nothing to counter.
Soukaku would have that much usage, especially for people that have pulled for Ellen. I lost the Ellen 50/50 and as a result have M6 Soukaku and Anton. Very bitter sweet because I really like Soukaku but missed out on Ellens weapon
Koleda Rina Anton has carried me harder than Ellen Sukaku Lycon this is including the fact that both koleda and Ellen have their signature engines and giving them both a fair comparison koleda is way more cracked than people give her account for. I prefer her to even lycon tbh because she dazed way faster and does more dmg with same investment as him
I like zhu yuan/koleda/nicole better than zhu/anby/nicole. The zhu/koleda/lucy team is also good. I just find it hard to play with zhu and anby, probally a skill issue at the moment, but I be getting rocked .
My money is on Ellen + Lycaon staying the best team. Zhu is really good, but trying to do max diff hollow it definetly feels like Ellen in general is better since she has so many i-frames and dodges built into her attacks along with Lycaon. I also doubt that a we will get a stun unit that increase dps more than lycaon, so I doubt Zhu's dmg ceiling will bump up as much as Ellen and Lycaon do.
@@dabalolaa Not necessarily weaker just because they give less dps boost, on field time and a bunch of other stuff can make a limited stunner universally better by proccing more stuns etc. but I doubt Qingyi will give Ellen a bigger dmg buff than Lycaon, but rather be a more universal stunner being overall better elsewhere.
The team ranking data looks hilariously flubbed. I don't know if it's giga whales who don't give an F, but since S-ranks are excluded if they have mindscapes unlocked I'm leaning towards no it's not, an alternate theory is that when it's a single run the data compilation goes haywire and just ascribes it a score of 3. Like how in their Star Rail data you sometimes see "clears" of 99.99 cycles, which is obviously impossible since you get thrown out and lose after a while. Some of those teams were so outrageous I don't think even giga whales could clear with them 😂
Is it too late for me to level my Neko? I'm thinking of waiting for Jane Doe to save resources but I think it's also a waste to not utilize Neko when she can fit in my Lucy-Piper team and replace Billy/Corin since I bet it's better to invest in an S rank than A ranks at this point in time in my account. Thoughts guys?
Having the same dilemma. Considering how hard leveling my Zhu Yuan team drained my resources, I’m really inclined to wait, but it very well could mean missing out on the second wave of shiyu defense which would most likely mean it’s not worth it.
I have an m1r1 grace and have not spent a dime on the game, no monthly, no battle pass, nothing. Shes just following me everywhere. Got her on 50th pull of beginner, then about 20 pulls after i got lycaon, 83 pulls after lycaon i got grace w engine, then in 2 pulls i got grace again. Won 50/50 on both ellen and ellen w engine though both past the 80 pulls mark on their banners. I just want rina for momo electric
Idk if thats the case but if you have to apply for this list then I wouldn’t be surprised that the majority also were rerolling till they got him, would make sense because the meta oriented players will reroll for the best standard unit and also those same people likely are applying for such websites.
Not really , basically same mechanic as anby , instead of holding your 3rd attack just use ability at your 3rd attack, it just that lycoan does a lot more stun with his every single hit
@@maximgeldon lycoan is just on a league of its own, but koleda is awkward, her attack pattern is just weird against some bosses and just feels bad to play for me, if you like it go for it but im pretty sure a lot of people have the same issue with her
most of the 3 avg score is nonsense like tf? even with skills, what kind of power do they really have? even my m6w5 Anton cant do better than My current m0w0 Ellen/m0w0 ZY Team, even on Stage 6 which is Electro weakness bruh
@@sanae99.9.9not in an instant, theres like 2 second delay. Also to trigger her passive and c4 (outside of chain attack) you gotta do skill>skill>skill>hold, that shits a lot of time.
@@Arunika1 but her skill do a lot of damage if you upgrade her skill tho. And the hold part you can totally swap to your dps without losing your buff. Put some work on her to see what can be cancel, what can't. She is not a brainrot type of support so you should learn to use cancel animation on her before you use.
Zhuyuan team is just so good as f2p, grouping, fast chain attack, fast ult with nukes dmg Ellen better only if u have Lycaon, if not, doesnt mean she is bad, just not maximized
@@l0st1nv0id yup, and the flip side is that Zhu Yuan is much easier to mess up if you make a mistake. I hope they keep developing characters like that, that reward good play, punish bad play, not so flat feeling. Love Ellen though, so wtf do I know.
i think koleda is lower just because of team comps anby has nicole who is also paired with zhu yuan, while koleda doesnt have any synergy with the 2 meta teams i still use her with my ellen though and she does quite well
the ZZZ background music is great
Koleda scoring lower might be due to including all stages. Players doing lower stages tend to gravitate to f2p chars (Anby) which are easier to clear giving more points.
That and/or the cunning hare buff because of Nicole is actually indirectly buffing Anby
If you have the team for her, Koleda is almost on par with Lycaon when it comes to daze damage and capitalizing on it. But if you don't have Anton or Grace or S11 as your DPS, it's really hard to use her (even if you pair her with Ben to maker her a pseudo-sub-dps)
even tho koleda and lycaon has same daze strengh, lycaon has buff that actually work for a dps that is ellen.
koleda doesn't have a DPS that really benefit from her chain atk buff, until hoyo release a DPS with high scaling chain atk damage bonus, koleda will just stuck there under lycaon.
Trust that full atk crit KolBenda will be first to score 3 once everybody gets what’s up.
I mean, if that was the case then other S-ranks would have had similar scores.
I generally use Nicole on my Ice team and she works really well with both Lycaon and Ellen. Her ability to group enemies in tandem to Lycaon being able to stun every mob in front of his EX skill's range giving way to an easier access to maximizing Ellen's chain attack damage output really speeds up the run by a significant margin over Soukaku
Another point for Koleda is that if you don't have Soldier 11 as well, she effectively doesn't have a team, and the same is somewhat true of Soldier 11 and the odds are like 1/144 that you get both in 2 standard pulls, assuming the odds for engines and agents are the same on the standard banner, not accounting for lost 50/50s on limited banner. Only people with both are going to score particularly high with these units. But people are still going to use them apart, and their other teams are terrible. Koleda's is probably Grace/Anton? But they don't care as much about break so she's not useful there. Soldier's is likely Lycoan/Lucy but then no Lycoan passive, and both these teams have the same issue of needing specific standard characters. You could go mono fire with Ben/Lucy but where's the damage? No matter what you cook up it's just bad. So likelihood is people are using other, even worse teams.
tl;dr Neither Koleda not Soldier have great teams fi they're not paired up and that's unlikely.
Im not sure about koleda but as someone who mained soldier 11 till zhu yuan came, my best team with her was with lucy and piper. Piper as a physical anomaly unit is just incredible and the 10% daze increase though doesn't sound great does help noticeably, making a stun unit less necessary. Both of them together could boost soldier 11 by a non-negligible amount too
Soldier 11 definitely functions without Koleda. The only teammate she begs to have on her team is Lucy.
koleda kinda has zy/lucy since she gets synergy from fire teammate and zy doesn't care about faction only support (and she rly likes attack)
at least if your Nicole isn't m6 Lucy is actually solid
Lycaon and Koleda are both in super specific, niche team comps right now. I think once we start expanding outwards, they will improve before they get powercrept out I imagine. I've been playing Koleda, Lucy, Zhu Yuan which has been alright but doesn't feel as naturally synergistic as ZY and Nicole, but Anby feels way worse to me than Koleda for pure stun purposes. It's weird to me that Lycaon sees so much usage, likely outside of teams that he gets his passive synergy with.
I had fun with Lycaon in the trials but I must be missing something with him. I wouldn't run Koleda, or Anby in teams that they wouldn't synergize with so I don't know
@@RogerNbr I have both Nicole c6 and Lucy c3. For the most part I run Koleda/lucy/zy or ben/lucy/zy. It's generally a little worse than the f2p Nicole Anby team but I get to spend more time as ZY on field shooting mfs, so it's been my go-to for content outside of Shiyu. I tend to use Nicole as support for ZY in shiyu but I've not found love for Anby yet, so I use Koleda even if she doesn't synergize for shiyu
Koleda's bug make her weaker than anby, they fix it later on,but people already use resource on anby or Lycaon,it's not wise to spend more resource for another stuner at the start of the game
there is simply prejudice against koleda
people are not educated that she has invincibility frames heck if you press dodge during those animations where she doesn't have invincibility frames she will dodge so if you play her correctly you will have 100% invincibility uptime with her
second point Koleda is more of an EX stunner than lycaon so using her on field at all times is not most effective but it's possible
3rd point at the currenta meta her 2nd core skill is not that useful so she can be used on any team
also the BP weapon for stunners should be studied some more because it works with units that use EX as their stun means
i imagine 24% on koleda's 700% daze (multiplicatively since no way they are gonna make you wait 16 seconds to get additive 24%)
just imagine in due time people realizing how good these are and using Koleda to insta stun bosses
Or you know more people just have Lycoan and everyone has Anby. The data is based on appearance rate, not usage.
all S rank stunner have s, Lycaon is invulnerable when pressing skill too and last hit combot too, same as Qinqyi leaked gameplay only Anby is the one with no s
Invincibility frames don’t mean shit here. Lycaon also has them on EX skill and Anby. Her REAL value is super low field time and huge EX skill instant daze compared to Lycaon’s steady daze build up. I believe she can be the best stunner if you manage to make her get energy really fast and just unload EX attacks on enemies because of the time saved compared to Lycaon and Anby. That saved time can be used by your DPS instead
@@cover1963 anby also has i frames on her ex skill dam near everyone does it says so in the ex descrption the only diff is the duration
@@Zeblon44 ya but she doesnt on her combo compared to the s ranks stunner all get to fly in the air and avoid the attack 😭
If you get Koleda from the standart baner and dup/support/weapon/nonDPS the second time (and not spend money on the standart baner), this mean that you don't have S rank DPS to pair with her and you can't capitalize of the stun... Koleda stuns much better then Anby, but if Anby have Zhu Yuan or other S rank DPS on her team the overal perfomance is better. The A rank DPS-s in this game are not that good.
Nope my anton have more damage then my ZY lol 4* its not that good if you dont use their own sig and if you dont have some dupes of them
@@naufalsyauqifillah6388How???
@@henrymorales9584 like I said I got his to m6 and use his sig engine pair him with rina and anby and his damage especially when enemy got shock are insane his only prob is his energy gain but that not a big prob if you use his sig just play smart with his rotation
4:11 more people have Anby and Anby is much easier to use, thats it
that and if you got Koleda rather late you're probably not gonna build her (Unless you already have Soldier somehow) because you've already been focusing the resources on Anby.
While I use Koleda (With Piper and Lucy) I can't deny that Anby is fine enough right now to use over Koleda since if you don't have Soldier it's pretty rough to use Koleda.
Anby isn’t really easier to use since you have to use her charged/EX after the 3rd hit in combo to get the most out of her. Any time an enemy does an attack you have to doge and interrupt her before she reaches the 3rd hit. I’m definitely looking forward to getting another stunner to play with, not really a fun of her 3rd hit combo gimmick
Pokke's remark about 4-star DPS in hoyo games is funny when Genshin actually has a good bunch of extremely competitive pure 4-star teams.
Raw dps wise, they’re dogshit. The only pure 4 star team clearing abyss you see nowadays are hyperbloom teams
“A good bunch” like who??? There’s only Gaming and he NEED C6 to be competitive
1.0 national team is still clearing abyss so what r u talking about?@@Arunika1
@@tunagucer6962 Doesn't that team consist of some of the most broken 4* in the game? Like extremely broken compared to the 4* standard?
this is what yall sound like:
who cares about in-game mechanics right? fireflys raw dps is so low, shes trash! no ruan, no hmc, so bad!
im just gonna listen to my whiney whitewashed excel players, kuki, noelle, yaoyao, sucrose, fischl, gaming, chevruse, sara, etc etc theyre all bad! my favorite white boy told me so 😔 i dont wanna have my own opinion!
that's yall
Did many players got Lycaon? LOL. I also got him on my beginner banner and until now he's still my only S-rank standard banner unit (I have Ellen and Zhu Yuan).
This is usage rate. They don't have appearance rates. Lycaon is so meta that you'd be crazy to not use him if you have him.
I believe Lycaon is the most owned 5* among all players. I personally have him M3….
Same, I even landed the limited S Rank engines and characters, still only have Lycaon from standard though
@@l0st1nv0id That would make no sense unless it's rigged lol. I personally got Rina and Grace from standard.
@@tetraavalon3664 a lot of people actually rerolled for him, so that’s why. I wish I got Rina or Grace instead of four Lycaons…. I don’t even use him
Pokke: "who the hell is using ellen and corrin together"
Me who uses Ellen,Corin and Soukaku together : *looks to the side* ahh is that bad? lol.
ahh is that bad?
Anby's assist actually dazes extremely fast.
My teams for late shiyu are
Anby/Nicole/ Zhu Yuan
Koleda/Lucy/Soldier 11
and Nicole is so high probably because she does so much damage, wrecks defences, gathers enemies, and is on field for about a second
Finally got Solider 11 today. Excited to build her. Wish I had Koleda though. A mono fire team with Soldier 11, Koleda, and Lucy sounds fun
Usage rate is skewed because elemental weakness checks in this game are massive when you don't have maxed characters to bulldoze through it.
Use a bangboo that has that element , example they got ether shield but you don't have ether units , u can technically use all ice with ether bangboo and it'll help you a whole lot
@@maximgeldon With people barely clearing floor 17 using Ellen and Zhu Yuan, despite the Ether+Ice damage bonuses and enemy weaknesses, you can understand why the shield tip isn't that useful. I have both of them and can clear it, but the dps is still low because of gear quality and levels.
@@ziekfriedvonfinkenstein7290 That's a lot of missing damage when your characters aren't fully built, dude. Context matters.
@@ziekfriedvonfinkenstein7290 Pure cap. 20% is a lot of damage to lose when you're low gear. Show your gear and clear speed if you want me to believe you. I don't know why you emphasized "dude" either.
@@ziekfriedvonfinkenstein7290 “im known as the player in multiple zzz discords🤓” you sound like a fucking nerd, please leave your basement and see the sun for the first time in years
5:20 I cleared critical 6 with Nicole, Grace, Rina (in that order) for first part and second part Sousaku, Ellen, Lycaon. I'm not surprised AT ALL about Nicole most ppl (me included) have her at M6 by now she is super useful now.
Not surprised Zhu Yuan is performing better than Ellen. She's much easier to build between her passive and m6 Nicole (which is actually not too hard to get with the generous rates on A ranks and only 2 rate ups)
Zhu has the fact that you can run her with two FREE characters and perform extremely well, while an Ellen team with Lycaon and without him has a massive gap, and not everyone has Lycaon at the moment.
Not to bash either characters, I have both with sig engine but Zhu is much more f2p friendly I would say.
Wdym performing better? Ellen is still above her in the tier list
It clearly shows what pull value they have, and they know that and then say dont use it as pull value. :D
Best teams: Ellen, Lycaon, Soukaku/Nicole / Zhu Yuan, Anby, Nicole / Nekomata, Piper, Lucy / Soldier 11, Koleda/Piper, Lucy!!!
14:04 Meanwhile, March 7th Imaginary form.
I think it’s that exactly. I’m still working on my Zhu Yuan and her team already clears like Ellen, so she’s only gonna get stronger in time!
Whys there so much Koleda shill? Shes straight up worse in dps increase and THIS CYCLE BUFF WAS ORIENTED TO ETHER ICE once a cycle has fire she will have better performance (Actually no? cuz the next stun was leak to have stun% buff....)
Anby's Core is just straight up better than Koleda since you can proc that every single attack chain, while Koleda needs her buff or enough energy for EX special. Probably a reason why Anby placed better than Koleda
100% guaranteed unit vs a gacha S rank in the first month no shit the free unit wins out. Koleda is a little hindered by her kit but she's a lot more comfy than Anby for stun times and survivability.
IMO the only significant factor Anby has over Koldea right now is better team comps, and access to Nicole and her passive synergy. Nicole looking like the best 4 star right now and she pairs so well with ZY it's crazy
Anby was better than koleda for Stun bc of koleda’s bug too so people spent their materials for anby but now koleda is better without her bug (shes a S rank ofc)
You’re welcome for raising the score of Koleda, zhu yuan, Nicole lol. I been getting solid clears with that team.
It's too early for any of these stats to mean anything but it's hilarious to sort by score because you get to look at all the jank teams that a single account used and got an S rank clear with
we need an S rank billy
Don't worry Jane is only like 35 days away
Soldier having more use makes sense because she's a dps and can still work even if you don't have koleda for stun
If I had to guess, people might not be too savvy on using grace and/or rina with a dps of a different element or building a 4 star dps like Anton to use them with
Still, Rinas not super far from soldier anyway
Grace being marginally lower than both of them makes sense too even if she's a 5 star anomaly, she's the only one in her specific class and doesn't have a 5 star DPS to pair with, and disorder teams arent super popular or tested enough and definitely require a degree of skill most casuals or F2Pers care to invest in or possess the material to use
It seems generally speaking for 5 stars:
Attack > Stun > Support > Anomaly >>>>>>> Defense
Nekomata is def underrated. I’ve seen a person S rank last red floor with double support Neko
Do you have a link or channel?
Also s ranked 17 with neko anby nicole, was a bit of a struggle though ngl. Ellen carried the other side
@@artificial4826 can’t send a link here, but a video is by “punch” named “Shiyu Defense 17 S Rank Clear (M0 Nekomata X M0 Ellen)
The sample size would also be smaller for Lycaon too though...
Anby may not be as good as the 5 star stuns but she isnt bad at all either her skill has some crazy stun scaling and her energy regen with her weapon can allow you to spam EX
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as someone using Soukaku dps on one side and Ellen on the other side, bro you have no idea how good that hungry oni is lol
Anby is higher because she is more flexible than Koleda atm, She can enter in Ellen (A lot of players still don't have Lycaon) and Zhu Yuan teams (Since Zhu Yuan uses Nicole), Koleda is just better in slot in Soldier 11 but not everyone has Soldier 11 and Koleda in the same account. When we get a limited banner Fire-DPS or even a 4* Fire-DPS she will definitely have more usage
Theres some dude on youtube who turned corin into a monster , she shreds hp with the right build
Also, Ben active counter damage and daze with c6 e6 is pretty crazy, and fairly obtainable if you are pulling for zhu yuan/engine. His flaw is not as good on a break, with nothing to counter.
Soukaku would have that much usage, especially for people that have pulled for Ellen. I lost the Ellen 50/50 and as a result have M6 Soukaku and Anton. Very bitter sweet because I really like Soukaku but missed out on Ellens weapon
Anby being higher might also be because Zhu Yuan runs with nicole + anby. Koleda has no fire limited dps yet.
Keep in mind the limited time buffs ether and ice damage for 20%
only reason Serra isn't crowned with the most questionable takes is because we're all too busy negative kara-cancelling Iyo's takes
u have to keep in mind accesibility of units,if ppl dont hv koleda they cant use her no?
for a good few weeks, her passive was bugged, was that considered?
also if you don't have ellen or lycaon you have to use sokaku as there is only 3 ice chars in the game
Koleda Rina Anton has carried me harder than Ellen Sukaku Lycon this is including the fact that both koleda and Ellen have their signature engines and giving them both a fair comparison koleda is way more cracked than people give her account for. I prefer her to even lycon tbh because she dazed way faster and does more dmg with same investment as him
You know the community is not ready when Ben scoring this low.
As someone who cleared SD17 with a Neko team I will not stand for this slander.
ppl straight up not using Koleda cuz they think she is awful without ben and also salty cuz got her instead of Lycaon lol
I'm gonna tryhard stage 6 before reset, but it is absolutely miserable to play with S11 and I can't finish it in 10 minutes.
lycaon is absolutely high-class
S11, Lucy and piper is my main team they're tuff fasho 💯
in the future i want more section 6 units, Ellen lycaon rina the other half is miyabi soukaku and another section 6 unit
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Surprised to see Grace so low.
im still saving for section 6 waifus. especially miyabi and mommy yanagi
I like zhu yuan/koleda/nicole better than zhu/anby/nicole.
The zhu/koleda/lucy team is also good. I just find it hard to play with zhu and anby, probally a skill issue at the moment, but I be getting rocked .
My money is on Ellen + Lycaon staying the best team. Zhu is really good, but trying to do max diff hollow it definetly feels like Ellen in general is better since she has so many i-frames and dodges built into her attacks along with Lycaon. I also doubt that a we will get a stun unit that increase dps more than lycaon, so I doubt Zhu's dmg ceiling will bump up as much as Ellen and Lycaon do.
this doesnt even make any sense why would Hoyo release stunners that are weaker than standard characters
@@dabalolaa Not necessarily weaker just because they give less dps boost, on field time and a bunch of other stuff can make a limited stunner universally better by proccing more stuns etc. but I doubt Qingyi will give Ellen a bigger dmg buff than Lycaon, but rather be a more universal stunner being overall better elsewhere.
The team ranking data looks hilariously flubbed. I don't know if it's giga whales who don't give an F, but since S-ranks are excluded if they have mindscapes unlocked I'm leaning towards no it's not, an alternate theory is that when it's a single run the data compilation goes haywire and just ascribes it a score of 3. Like how in their Star Rail data you sometimes see "clears" of 99.99 cycles, which is obviously impossible since you get thrown out and lose after a while. Some of those teams were so outrageous I don't think even giga whales could clear with them 😂
Is it too late for me to level my Neko? I'm thinking of waiting for Jane Doe to save resources but I think it's also a waste to not utilize Neko when she can fit in my Lucy-Piper team and replace Billy/Corin since I bet it's better to invest in an S rank than A ranks at this point in time in my account. Thoughts guys?
I would build her, you still have almost 2 full months before Jane doe ends. Plus alot are saying that jane and neko can be run together possibly.
Having the same dilemma. Considering how hard leveling my Zhu Yuan team drained my resources, I’m really inclined to wait, but it very well could mean missing out on the second wave of shiyu defense which would most likely mean it’s not worth it.
I have an m1r1 grace and have not spent a dime on the game, no monthly, no battle pass, nothing. Shes just following me everywhere. Got her on 50th pull of beginner, then about 20 pulls after i got lycaon, 83 pulls after lycaon i got grace w engine, then in 2 pulls i got grace again. Won 50/50 on both ellen and ellen w engine though both past the 80 pulls mark on their banners. I just want rina for momo electric
why does pokke have such straight faced intros these days lol.
4:15 prob cos Koleda is pretty hard to get most if they get to the 300 and didn't got lycaon of course they will go for furry instead then for loli.
why the voice is too low
Qingyi has a stun damage multiplier buff haha instead of 185% like with Lycaon it goes up to 225% 💀
How does 35% have Lycaon Ellen, damn.
Rerolls maybe.
Everyone and their mom has Lycaon apparently. All my friends playing have him
Idk if thats the case but if you have to apply for this list then I wouldn’t be surprised that the majority also were rerolling till they got him, would make sense because the meta oriented players will reroll for the best standard unit and also those same people likely are applying for such websites.
Need more bullet is the downside with her so f2p with no dupe can't maximize her kit.
They made grace and piper dirty 😭😭
I wanted her and instead got Soldier 11 and Nekomata on my 4 multi…I don’t even care if shes bad or not I just wanna use her cause she is fun af LMAO
koleda is good but so awkward to play, i dont like her at all and i asume a lot of players feel the same way
Not really , basically same mechanic as anby , instead of holding your 3rd attack just use ability at your 3rd attack, it just that lycoan does a lot more stun with his every single hit
@@maximgeldon lycoan is just on a league of its own, but koleda is awkward, her attack pattern is just weird against some bosses and just feels bad to play for me, if you like it go for it but im pretty sure a lot of people have the same issue with her
The list is quite useless. Some rank A characters are much better at their E6. And we don't know those players are using E6 or not.
i dont even play this game , i dont know why the fuck am i watching this video
grace weak af compare to limited dps chars and koleda feels so slow after you try enby (and without buff in eather team)
i tought koleda is the yanqing of zzz
most of the 3 avg score is nonsense like tf? even with skills, what kind of power do they really have?
even my m6w5 Anton cant do better than My current m0w0 Ellen/m0w0 ZY Team, even on Stage 6 which is Electro weakness bruh
Me with a nekomata c2 already 💀 f2p btw
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I've largely moved away from Soukaku even though she's great, just because you lose so much time on her animations. Nicole just goes where she was now
You can cancel her animation by swaping tho
@@sanae99.9.9not in an instant, theres like 2 second delay. Also to trigger her passive and c4 (outside of chain attack) you gotta do skill>skill>skill>hold, that shits a lot of time.
@@sanae99.9.9you have to wait for her to fully summon her blue tornado to activate assist
@@Arunika1 but her skill do a lot of damage if you upgrade her skill tho. And the hold part you can totally swap to your dps without losing your buff. Put some work on her to see what can be cancel, what can't. She is not a brainrot type of support so you should learn to use cancel animation on her before you use.
I just can't do it. Soukaku feels super clunky...
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Biggest surprise to me is the average score for Lycaon+Soukaku+Nicole with a decent sample size. AoE OP?
Grouping in ZZZ is extremely valuable.
Lucy is broken.
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Zhuyuan team is just so good as f2p, grouping, fast chain attack, fast ult with nukes dmg
Ellen better only if u have Lycaon, if not, doesnt mean she is bad, just not maximized
Ellen is more comfy to play and still performs well even without Lycoan.
@@TacticalDimples true tho about comfy,Zhuyuan moveset is more advanced imo.. and many quick swapable option
Zhu Yuan damage ceiling is higher if you know what you’re doing
@@l0st1nv0id yup, and the flip side is that Zhu Yuan is much easier to mess up if you make a mistake. I hope they keep developing characters like that, that reward good play, punish bad play, not so flat feeling. Love Ellen though, so wtf do I know.
i think koleda is lower just because of team comps
anby has nicole who is also paired with zhu yuan, while koleda doesnt have any synergy with the 2 meta teams
i still use her with my ellen though and she does quite well
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