I was coming to say just that. I’m a yank (former USAF mechanic) and everything I know about a double decker bus can be put on the head of a pin but I would love to learn more. Your production values are great but the music sometimes kills it.
New subscriber, very interesting video and informative, just a real shame about the unnecessary very loud and intrusive music, keep up the great work!! Eddie.🤓
Hi Eddie Many thanks for your comment, this was a recurring observation in our early videos, we have now addressed this issue. If you watch some of our more recent episodes hopefully you will see this has been much improved?
Loved Routemasters ever since I was a child, their shape, style and AEC and Leyland engines. I know every curve of this beautiful vehicle. But have never really seen the engine pulled apart like this. Seeing the heart and soul is quite something.
Proper toys for the boys! I'm only a girl, but I used to be a rally driver (amateur) in the 1980s and spent many a long night under cars, grovelling in mud, snow and slush in pine forests replacing clutches and bent and broken oily bits. I love this project. Not keen on the music (a soundtrack of banter, ratchets, dropped spanners, grazed knuckles, curses, a constantly boiling kettle, and red-hot, X-rated mug and teaspoon stirring action would suit me more...), but it's great to see men willing to spend time and money doing something like this. I'm delighted that the bus isn't being given a 'right-on' conversion to run as an electric vehicle. That would be as absurd as converting a steam locomotive to run on diesel. As Frank Zappa once said - "Keep it greasy..." I hope you'll ignore the Negative Nancy-type Comments about 'the inadequate use of Personal Protection Equipment'. Such righteous nagging is all the rage on RUclips these days. Donning a pair of safety specs when using an angle grinder is one thing, but there's a whole generation of peeps that flies into a tizzy if it sees someone using a drill without gloves, a face-shield, earplugs and safety boots, or holding a bl**dy screwdriver in (gasp!) their bare hand. And as for spraying without a mask, extractor, nuclear haz-mat suit and organic vegan respirator... Nooooo! You're doomed! You could be breathing in toxic fumes! It's worse than smoking 780 cigars an hour! Think of the harm you're doing to your lungs and genes and the lungs of the poor ol' workshop doggie! Oh, woe, woe, and thrice woe... Oh, shut up. Perhaps the critics are from the U.S., where personal injury lawyers queue up to launch $100,000,000 compensation lawsuits if somebody stubs their toe or falls off a kitchen stepladder or looks at you in a funny way. Yes, hurt feeling are big business, too. Sigh. Thankfully, this project's taking place in Britain, where nobody gives a toss. Hooray! People tend not to blame anybody but themselves if they drop a 30 pound toolbox on their foot, nobody sues anybody because that would be POOR FORM and BAD MANNERS, and lawyers who try to get involved are going to get a slap. If you haven't got ("Possibly Carcinogenic!!!") dirt under your ("Broken!!!") fingernails, you're not doing the job properly. I wish you well, guys. :-)
Agreed, the music adds nothing and is exceptionally annoying inasmuch it's level is much higher than the speech so one is constantly adjusting the sound level . Just show us how you rebuilt the damn thing and ditch the music!
Thanks for your feedback John, if you view some of our more recent videos you will find we have indeed dropped the music and are doing more explaining. We've had lots of feedback on this and took everything on-board as the channel grew.
Hi Tom Many thanks for your comment, this was a recurring observation in our early videos, we have now addressed this issue. If you watch some of our more recent episodes hopefully you will see this has been much improved.
Cannibalising one engine (or part) to repair another part at least doubles the workload involved. Not the most efficient way to keep a vehicle on the road, but sometimes it's the only option. Having to hand make replacement gaskets just adds to the time it takes to do the repair. However, you are keeping a British classic on the road, so it's worth it. Loving the rebuild videos.
Hi Mike Many thanks for your comment, this was a recurring observation in our early videos, we have now addressed this issue. If you watch some of our more recent episodes hopefully you will see this has been much improved.
Great presentation. The music when it played did keep me awake you could turn it down by at least 75%, would still have the same effect. I shouldn’t to have to ware hearing protection while watching.
Hi There my name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't you Rebuild a nice fresh shiny Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1’s and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colour's just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus route's such as 125, 141, 210, 20, 173, 179, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 176 of Those Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1 Buses Pretty Please could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour’s and put them on those London Bus Routes witch are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 41, 56 and N26 for all of us because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour's and I'am a Big Fan of all of those Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1 Buses Please?
Hi There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB, Volvo TD102KF, Gardner LG1200, and Cummins M11, 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 168, 179, 210, 275, 125, 173, 24, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 226 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, and Gardner LG1200, 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Gardner 6LXC and those Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for example the N41, 341, N29, 86, 221 and will also be including the North London Bus Route Number 121 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, 179, N41, 34, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 296, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? Please do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and living in those areas such as East London. because it will be Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB, Volvo TD102KF, Gardner LG1200 and Cummins M11 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Hi, There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't all of you and your teammates could still be Rebuilding and Repainting a nice fresh shiny Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC that also will include most of the Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and this will also be including the Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus routes such as 168, 141, 275, 167, 20, 210, 179, 173, 313 and also the bus route 103 if you guys would like to Rebuild about 198 of Those Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC and the Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and that will also be including some of the Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? We desperately need your and your Teammates' help and support in Bringing back those grey-green 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses again because we are Bigger fans of the patterns of those interesting colours of these Buses to be brought back again for all of us Grey Green bus Lovers out there in North London and East London bus route lovers so Please can Really Really bringing them back again for all of us Grey Green Bus route lovers out there in North London and East London lovers Pretty Please? and can you and your teammates could you and your teammates also put most of them on the London Bus routes such as the London bus route 30, N29, N41, 147, 221 and that is including the East London Bus route 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers out there in North London and East London Pretty Please? Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us in North London and East London Grey Green Bus Lovers out there because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colours. I am a Big Fan of all of those Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC, Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and that will also include those Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Hi There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't most of you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 210, 275, 20, 125, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 207 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Cummins L10, Gardner 6LXC and those Leyland 680 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for instance the 30, 121, N29 and 123 and will also be include the North London and also would be including the East London Bus Route like for example the 221 Bus Route Number 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and will also include Living in those areas such as in East London Pretty Please? because it will be going to be one of each of the Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
you're like Dr who cliffhangers! used to get the 19 or 49 on these home from school, loved standing on the rear platform before the stops. I'm in Aus now wonder if any are over here? Great videos, perhaps more focus on the techy work and less music volume, but hey appreciate the huge effort these videos must take. What an amazing design these buses were.
Thanks Rob, Will take onboard yours (and others) comments about the music. Yes I believe there are some Routemaster in Australia. I know the bus museum in Sydney have at least one... www.sydneybusmuseum.com
I will always love the route masters they are unique buses love they look I use to go to London a lot just to look at them and admire them they are the eyes of London even the black taxis and the telephone boxes I think they should keep London original and keep its history the new buses are not the same at all These old strong robust route master buses are built for the job I wish these buses were still running in London they are a joy to look at even travelling on Them big massive thank for this very interesting how the engine works looks nice with that silver paint on it thank you guys for your time doing these And thankyou RUclips peace
Hi Everyone, many thanks for your comments regarding the music volume in this episode. In the early days of our RUclips journey we did make a 'School Boy' error of not adjusting the music volume to match the rest of the audio in the video. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it in this episode, however, we have taken on-board all your constructive comments regarding this and we hope you will find in our more recent episodes that this issue has been resolved? Please accept our apologies for this, we hope this does not spoil you enjoyment while watching this episode.
Had never ridden in a double-decker bus before and went to the Sydney Bus and Truck Museum in the '90s, where I rode one-up in the middle upstairs of a similar red model. I was surprised at the stiffness of the ride even when you are so far away from the road. Of course I realised it was to stop them toppling over in their heyday on Sydney's winding downhill bends, as well as carrying the extra weight. One question - is the fan at 21:58 missing a piece from one of arms?
They are handy when dealing with some stuck bolts but when working on vehicles this old sometimes working by hand is safer and less likely to break off bolts or strip the threads.
They aren't under time pressure like a mechanical business and when working on antique equipment, it's better to have the dexterity of hand tools so you can feel what's going on.
Really enjoyed this. Are you doing the film production in house? If so well done, it's excellent. I don't agree with other comments about the choice of music being wrong but you do need to work on the levels. looking forward to the next one.
Are you sure you don't mean they kept the Gardner powered Guy Arab half cabs in service longer than the Regent Vs? Never heard of Gardners going into the AECs. They all got withdrawn. Wasn't the Guy a Gardner LW?
To people complaining about loud music , you can always turn down Volume Control , it doesn't bother me cos I'm H o H ( hard of hearing) Loving this video takes me back when l was a boy , Hope to fly back to England in 2023 & visit you guys , & family in Milton Keynes 😀
You're quite right to be concerned about the thermostat. I learned that lesson the hard way. I had a thermostat stick closed on a summer's day, and the engine badly overheated. It ran after, but it blew smoke on startup and lost a bunch of compression. Now, I change thermostats every few years just because.
Really like the work you folks are doing, real eye opener. Bit puzzled as to why paint is sprayed without the sprayer wearing a mask!! What would HSE say??😨
THE RCL ( Long wheelbase Green Line) version of the Routemaster were fitted from new with the AV690 engine along with a higher speed drive axle. The G'box was semi automatic, unlike the RMC where fully automatic was an option.
Thanks for the thermostat "scientific" test procedure, I am going to try it out in my Pegaso (Leyland inspired engine). I hope you all are well. So sad you got tired of preserving buses.
does not the routemaster association supply parts ?if owners get together they can get parts specially made cant they ?why did the engine blow up? lack of oil/dirty oil in the sump or runaway injection pump ?
Hi Peter. Many thanks for your questions... Yes The Routemaster Association does supply many parts, they also get obsolite items remanufactured on behalf of the members. If you watch the next video (Episode 4) we explain what happened to the engine.
I love these videos, especially the techy stuff and I appreciate the need for the music during the bits that might be considered slightly tedious by others. I also appreciate that it's 17 months since the video was uploaded but - and it's a big but - please, please, please, can you balance the speech and music volumes a bit better. When you talk to camera in the shop, I set my headphone volume level to 14 via the sound control on my computer. However as soon as the music starts, for a second or two, my ears are blasted and I have to reduce the level to 4 and then back up again for speech. I can't see you wearing a mic so perhaps that could be an answer.
Hi Ray, yes fair point, this was a recurring comment in earlier videos and if you watch our more recent episodes hopefully you will notice a big improvement?
There were 575 Routemasters fitted with Leyland 0600 Engines. Both the Leyland 0600 and the AEC 590 are 115bhp at 1800rpm, however the Leyland is 9.8 litre and the AEC is 9.6 litre.
Thank for your quick reply! Just a quick question, did the Leyland engines Sound different compared to the Aec engines? I've heard the Leyland engines, sound Melodic!
@@johnmichaeldorienjohn467 From memory ... living in Brixton in the early -mid 80s and while Brixton was still well served by RM operated Routes the Leyland had a slightly deeper note and seemed to idle faster. As I recall back then Brixton had 2,2b,3,35,37,109,159 & 172 all running RMs in 1982 and at the other end of where I lived just off of Railton Rd we had the 68 and 40. I’d always wait for an RM route if it duplicated an opo route...(edited to add) As I recall my move to Brixton was just about the time they were running DMS vehicles on the 133 on Sundays prior to conversion from RM crew operation, oh and I forgot the 45 that ran down from Stockwell turned left at Brixton Police Station and went on thru Camberwell
@@johnmichaeldorienjohn467 I miss them, They outlasted the DM & DMS (BL fleetline) even after the DMS had a mechanical refit to Iveco power) MCW Metrobus), Leyland Titans, some Volvos (including the couple of “experimental” Volvos allocated to SW (Stockwell) for the opo conversion of the 77/77a routes. I’ve always been an AEC man probably due to my childhood job washing trucks and helping out at a local firm here that ran a mixed fleet of AEC Marshall Mercury and Mandator trucks in the early 70s
My Dad is an old school mechanic and sadly he never wanted me to work on engines, so I am a curious watcher. One thing he taught me was to never put an old thermostat back on an engine and I was curious why you did, although it might be out of necessity as there may not be many new ones easily available and to save one is a better outcome. There's something really pleasant about the idle of those engines, they have like a high-low resonance. Great work gentlemen. Love the videos.
I wondered the same thing. I rarely ever open the thermostat housing on any of our vehicles, only if there are problems with temperature regulation. And if I do check them, it is only out of curiosity. Especially if it looks as old and grungy as the one in that bus!
Hi There my name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't all of you and your teammates could still be Rebuilding and Repainting a nice fresh shiny Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colour's just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus route's such as 168, 141, 20, 210, 24, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 188 of Those Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? We desperately Need your and your Teammates' help and support in Bringing back those grey-green 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses again because we are Bigger fans of the patterns of those interesting colours of these Buses to be brought back again for all of us Grey Green bus Lovers out there in North London and East London bus route lovers so Please can Really Really bringing them back again for all of us Grey Green Bus route lovers out there in North London and East London lovers Pretty Please? and can you and your teammates could you and your teammates also put most of them on the London Bus routes such as the London bus route 123, N41, 86, 221 and that is including the North London Bus route 41 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers out there in North London and East London Pretty Please? Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 41, 56 and N26 for all of us in North London and East London Grey Green Bus Lovers out there because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colours. I am a Big Fan of all of those Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support?
Hi Jim, many thanks for your comments regarding the music volume in this episode. In the early days of our RUclips journey we did make a 'School Boy' error of not adjusting the music volume to match the rest of the audio in the video. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it in this episode, however, we have taken on-board all the constructive comments regarding this and we hope you will find in our more recent episodes that this issue has been resolved? Please accept our apologies for this, we hope this does not spoil you enjoyment while watching this and other episodes.
So is there any reason in particular for not going the repower route given parts scarcity? Obviously you can still run these engines while you can get parts but it seems eventually that may become quite a problem.
The Routemasters that stayed in service in London into the 1990's and beyond were re-engined with Cummins and Iveco engines but this modernisation (in my opinion) ripped to soul out of these buses. That is why we prefer ours to be as original as possible. Mechanical parts are still available for the original engines and there are plenty of companies in the UK that can service and overhaul pumps, starters, compressors etc etc. For now, at least, there are enough parts knocking around to keep these buses running.
@@Routemaster4Hire plus you're not racking up the miles like a PSV bus, so they won't wear out at the same rate, yet you're keeping rhythm exercised and treating them better as well.
Silvering...? Is this just a paint colour or is there a reason why its silver.? The old armoured car (ferret) had silvering all over the wiring loom etc. any reason for this or is it just to show up oil leaks?
What is your main business for all these buses must very expensive keeping these vehicles on the rd . Plus tools and equipment premises list goes on .l found video interesting as drove these Rm Rml in London long time ago brings back some good memories.Thanks
Hi Geoffrey, our main business is offering our buses for private hire, typically for Weddings and special events; we also organise our our sightseeing tours from Llangollen using our open-top Routemaster. I may do a video soon on their running costs, it would make your eyes water!!
Question Dave. Why were those engines so noisy?. Were they the same engines fitted to RMC’s in 1962 on 721 Green Line service and in 1967 to RML County Area buses at Harlow please?.
Ha! I love that so many comments refer to the music, not the content. Content is great, so is the music. Mind you I'm stoned - how else would I have stumbled across this gem?
Beautiful refurbishment of the engine. I am based in The Netherlands and am considering buying an RM. One thing that makes me hesitant is the engine dying on me and then not be able to find a replacement. If that happens, are there any modern engines (that meet new diesel regulations?) available to place into the RM?
Hi Paul. Routemaster AV590 engines are like hens teeth nowadays so your best alternative is to fit a AV690, these engines are old but many were fitted to generators and so have much less hours then their AV590 equivalents. To fit a modern engine into a Routemaster would be a big engineering task and would undervalue the vehicle.
@@Routemaster4Hire Unfortunately, since the Brexit, I do not dare to buy an RM in the UK anymore. I understand that imported second hand cars from the UK now have to be tested before I can get a Dutch registration for them. That adds a big risk to an purchase. So, I'll search on the continent.
@@Routemaster4Hire The reason why 590s are rarer is because LT brought up almost all the spares. 690s only differ in the liner, piston and cylinder heads. 690s principle use was in Mammoth Majors, Mandatory and Militant Mk 3s. Most mobile cranes used 470s, with earlier cranes running 11.3 engines. If you aren't worried about total originality a 691 or 760 could be used - de rated.
Some RMs came with Leyland 0600 new, 400 of them I believe. I used to not like the idea of that until I learned why LT did that -so as not to be so reliant on one make. Besides, they sound awesome!
Hi Alex, its currently gathering dust in our unit. The plan is to eventually rebuild it and put it back in the bus, but it needs expensive hard to find parts.
The 690 biting the dust is not good news. It sounded so sweet too. Good to see a tidy bit of silvering going on. I’m curious as to wether someone has ever put a Gardner 6LW/LX in a Routemaster?
Really interesting video, thank you! I just discovered this channel and now I'm binge watching your videos ☺️! One question: Around 4:50 it seems that you making a new gasket (Is that the right term? I don't have ANY knowledge in mechanical work, sorry!) with some "paper" and a hammer. Could someone tell something about it, what's this material called and how does this work with a hammer? Does this process have a name? I'm from Germany and would love to dig a bit deeper into this, just out of curiosity. Thanks again.
short answer All apprentices are taught how to make a gasket by this method,Not all gaskets can be kept in stock or out on site ,so the mechanic has to be able to make one.😊
@@johnwoodhead4059 Thanks! Do you use the gasket material directly or is it a kind of template, that you work on with the hammer and then transfer it to a sheet of rubber or something like that?
We do try and avoid motorways as much as possible, not sure of the exact route as SatNav takes us a different route every time but typically its a good 6-7hrs driving time. With regular stops it can take us over 8 hours door to door.
Hi really enjoyed your video I see that when RM1214 came into the workshop it had blinds set to Route 190 that brings back memories as I was a conductor on that route in 1983 when I joined LT as a Bus Operating Youth Trainee. I also lived on the route - I served at South Croydon TC and Thornton Heath TH as a conductor and Driver I would love to drive an RM again ... great videos keep them coming
robert, you probably gave me a ticket as I went to Purley High School for Boys in the 80’s. Also one of my other buses (RM765) was at South Croydon garage so you probably worked on that bus too?
hi, why dont you fit a proper air cleaner like the iveco engined routemasters, the engines would be a lot less noiser .i suppose its a case of getting a 690 lorry engine rocker cover where the oil bath air cleaner will fix on to. good luck,
Hi Peter. Our aim is to keep the bus as original as possible. Air filters were never fitted by London Transport besides I doubt one would fit under the bonnet.
@@Routemaster4Hire That's why RTs have a low bonnet line compared with other Regent IIIs: LT did not like the oil bath air cleaner fitted as standard, and had it deleted by AEC, though all other Regent IIIs had it. London Transport always “knew best” - or thought they did, arrogant so-and-sos. RLHs had the oil bath filter, so it was clearly something that created no problems, even for the LT engineering department! They, however, were responsible for the extraordinary decision to have 700 RFs made for them: a design which was at the best obsolescent from the outset, and only made for about 3 years before it was replaced by the far superior Reliance, a model with which, famously, London Transport could not cope, despite the fact that every operator of it in the country swore by its performance, reliability, and durability. Instead, they stuck their oar in again to help develop the AEC Merlin/Swift, which they bought in significant numbers and sold for scrap within 10 years. They should (and could) have bought Bristol REs instead, but oh no! These were designed for the Provinces and therefore not good enough for London! They even buggered about with Daimler Fleetlines and relaunched them as “The Londoner” (adding loads of unnecessary modifications and crap which made them virtually inoperable, and had to be removed before selling them on for useful work elsewhere). Then there was the Titan fiasco, in which they were intimately involved. A very good bus, when it worked, but was too damned complicated to be kept on the road. No, in their entire history, LT's only great success was the Routemaster, a wonderful bus, even though it was obsolescent (like the RF) as soon as its production wheels hit the road. Please do not extol the virtues of the LT engineers. Oh - thanks, before this film I did not know the RM did not have an air filter. Very interesting, and very stupid. By the way, did the replacement FIAT and Cummins engines not have air filters either, or, come to that, the Leyland-engined examples from new? Personally, I would have designed the RM to accommodate a Gardner engine. Bristol made Lodekkas with the same capacity and dimensions as the RM incorporating the Gardner 6LX, so it must have been possible! Sorry for the rant - just my opinions. Very good videos. Very interesting, and well done!
@@allenwilliams1306 If you think the Reliance in Medium Weight form was in any respect superior to an RF you haven't had any contact with either vehicle. Nothing with a 470 was trouble free. The RF was a rugged vehicle that could to huge amounts of work and deliver great reliability, even after many miles. Something you simply couldn't say about any wet liner AEC engines in horizontal form. Vehicles virtually inoperable? What a load of rubbish! You do have a point about the air filters, but I'd like to know where you've got all your working experience from?
Enjoyed watching the video's, please ask the guys to wear PPE. The last video when drilling some screws out the guy wasn't wearing any eye protection. This video the guy had no mask on whilst spray painting. 😡
God the music is so fkin annoying. I love the channel but turn it down.
Interesting video, but what on Earth is all the heavy rock music for ....terrible 😖
your music is crap and to loud so when you speak I have to keep turning the volume up please sort it out
Great informative videos but the music is jarring. Try something a bit more appropriate please.
And not so loud.
I was coming to say just that. I’m a yank (former USAF mechanic) and everything I know about a double decker bus can be put on the head of a pin but I would love to learn more. Your production values are great but the music sometimes kills it.
New subscriber, very interesting video and informative, just a real shame about the unnecessary very loud and intrusive music, keep up the great work!! Eddie.🤓
Hi Eddie
Many thanks for your comment, this was a recurring observation in our early videos, we have now addressed this issue. If you watch some of our more recent episodes hopefully you will see this has been much improved?
Just subscribed and enjoy the videos but please tone down the music, really spoils the experience having to keep adjusting volume up and down.
Please dump the awful music..
Get rid of the bloody music!
Loved Routemasters ever since I was a child, their shape, style and AEC and Leyland engines. I know every curve of this beautiful vehicle. But have never really seen the engine pulled apart like this. Seeing the heart and soul is quite something.
Proper toys for the boys! I'm only a girl, but I used to be a rally driver (amateur) in the 1980s and spent many a long night under cars, grovelling in mud, snow and slush in pine forests replacing clutches and bent and broken oily bits.
I love this project. Not keen on the music (a soundtrack of banter, ratchets, dropped spanners, grazed knuckles, curses, a constantly boiling kettle, and red-hot, X-rated mug and teaspoon stirring action would suit me more...), but it's great to see men willing to spend time and money doing something like this.
I'm delighted that the bus isn't being given a 'right-on' conversion to run as an electric vehicle. That would be as absurd as converting a steam locomotive to run on diesel. As Frank Zappa once said - "Keep it greasy..."
I hope you'll ignore the Negative Nancy-type Comments about 'the inadequate use of Personal Protection Equipment'. Such righteous nagging is all the rage on RUclips these days.
Donning a pair of safety specs when using an angle grinder is one thing, but there's a whole generation of peeps that flies into a tizzy if it sees someone using a drill without gloves, a face-shield, earplugs and safety boots, or holding a bl**dy screwdriver in (gasp!) their bare hand.
And as for spraying without a mask, extractor, nuclear haz-mat suit and organic vegan respirator... Nooooo! You're doomed! You could be breathing in toxic fumes! It's worse than smoking 780 cigars an hour! Think of the harm you're doing to your lungs and genes and the lungs of the poor ol' workshop doggie! Oh, woe, woe, and thrice woe...
Oh, shut up.
Perhaps the critics are from the U.S., where personal injury lawyers queue up to launch $100,000,000 compensation lawsuits if somebody stubs their toe or falls off a kitchen stepladder or looks at you in a funny way. Yes, hurt feeling are big business, too. Sigh.
Thankfully, this project's taking place in Britain, where nobody gives a toss. Hooray! People tend not to blame anybody but themselves if they drop a 30 pound toolbox on their foot, nobody sues anybody because that would be POOR FORM and BAD MANNERS, and lawyers who try to get involved are going to get a slap.
If you haven't got ("Possibly Carcinogenic!!!") dirt under your ("Broken!!!") fingernails, you're not doing the job properly.
I wish you well, guys. :-)
Agreed, the music adds nothing and is exceptionally annoying inasmuch it's level is much higher than the speech so one is constantly adjusting the sound level . Just show us how you rebuilt the damn thing and ditch the music!
Another top job, keep up the good work
very interesting videos but the music is too louder and also too long more talking explanting what's going on would be good
Thanks for your feedback John, if you view some of our more recent videos you will find we have indeed dropped the music and are doing more explaining. We've had lots of feedback on this and took everything on-board as the channel grew.
Up n down with the MUSIC 😡
Hi Tom
Many thanks for your comment, this was a recurring observation in our early videos, we have now addressed this issue. If you watch some of our more recent episodes hopefully you will see this has been much improved.
Cannibalising one engine (or part) to repair another part at least doubles the workload involved. Not the most efficient way to keep a vehicle on the road, but sometimes it's the only option. Having to hand make replacement gaskets just adds to the time it takes to do the repair. However, you are keeping a British classic on the road, so it's worth it. Loving the rebuild videos.
Music is distracting
You have thought that you could get every single part for these off the shelf, with it been a British bus. Great stuff!
terrible music----why??????
Hi Mike
Many thanks for your comment, this was a recurring observation in our early videos, we have now addressed this issue. If you watch some of our more recent episodes hopefully you will see this has been much improved.
Great presentation.
The music when it played did keep me awake you could turn it down by at least 75%, would still have the same effect.
I shouldn’t to have to ware hearing protection while watching.
Agree about the music. Bit loud. Love the videos
Interesting but I agree with Metal Man....the rock music is awful!🤬
It isn't rock music - in fact it doesn't qualify as music at all - it is immensely annoying
Love watching the vid's just quit with the music please!
the music sound is too loud.thank's
RCLs had 690s from new. 590 pistons, heads etc were difficult to get even 10 years ago.
Hi There my name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't you Rebuild a nice fresh shiny Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1’s and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colour's just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus route's such as 125, 141, 210, 20, 173, 179, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 176 of Those Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1 Buses Pretty Please could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour’s and put them on those London Bus Routes witch are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 41, 56 and N26 for all of us because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour's and I'am a Big Fan of all of those Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1 Buses Please?
Hi There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB, Volvo TD102KF, Gardner LG1200, and Cummins M11, 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 168, 179, 210, 275, 125, 173, 24, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 226 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, and Gardner LG1200, 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Gardner 6LXC and those Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for example the N41, 341, N29, 86, 221 and will also be including the North London Bus Route Number 121 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, 179, N41, 34, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 296, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? Please do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and living in those areas such as East London. because it will be Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB, Volvo TD102KF, Gardner LG1200 and Cummins M11 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Hi, There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't all of you and your teammates could still be Rebuilding and Repainting a nice fresh shiny Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC that also will include most of the Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and this will also be including the Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus routes such as 168, 141, 275, 167, 20, 210, 179, 173, 313 and also the bus route 103 if you guys would like to Rebuild about 198 of Those Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC and the Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and that will also be including some of the Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? We desperately need your and your Teammates' help and support in Bringing back those grey-green 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses again because we are Bigger fans of the patterns of those interesting colours of these Buses to be brought back again for all of us Grey Green bus Lovers out there in North London and East London bus route lovers so Please can Really Really bringing them back again for all of us Grey Green Bus route lovers out there in North London and East London lovers Pretty Please? and can you and your teammates could you and your teammates also put most of them on the London Bus routes such as the London bus route 30, N29, N41, 147, 221 and that is including the East London Bus route 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers out there in North London and East London Pretty Please? Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us in North London and East London Grey Green Bus Lovers out there because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colours. I am a Big Fan of all of those Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC, Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and that will also include those Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Hi There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't most of you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 210, 275, 20, 125, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 207 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Cummins L10, Gardner 6LXC and those Leyland 680 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for instance the 30, 121, N29 and 123 and will also be include the North London and also would be including the East London Bus Route like for example the 221 Bus Route Number 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and will also include Living in those areas such as in East London Pretty Please? because it will be going to be one of each of the Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
you're like Dr who cliffhangers! used to get the 19 or 49 on these home from school, loved standing on the rear platform before the stops. I'm in Aus now wonder if any are over here? Great videos, perhaps more focus on the techy work and less music volume, but hey appreciate the huge effort these videos must take. What an amazing design these buses were.
Thanks Rob, Will take onboard yours (and others) comments about the music. Yes I believe there are some Routemaster in Australia. I know the bus museum in Sydney have at least one... www.sydneybusmuseum.com
Great videos my only gripe is the awful loud annoying music😖
I so agree. I tried skipping it it, but I just gave up in the end and switched off.
I will always love the route masters they are unique buses love they look I use to go to London a lot just to look at them and admire them they are the eyes of London even the black taxis and the telephone boxes I think they should keep London original and keep its history the new buses are not the same at all
These old strong robust route master buses are built for the job I wish these buses were still running in London they are a joy to look at even travelling on
Them big massive thank for this very interesting how the engine works looks nice with that silver paint on it thank you guys for your time doing these
And thankyou RUclips peace
Thanks Carlton, considering they were designed to last 17 years, they've not done too bad lasting over 60 years!
Hi Everyone, many thanks for your comments regarding the music volume in this episode. In the early days of our RUclips journey we did make a 'School Boy' error of not adjusting the music volume to match the rest of the audio in the video. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it in this episode, however, we have taken on-board all your constructive comments regarding this and we hope you will find in our more recent episodes that this issue has been resolved? Please accept our apologies for this, we hope this does not spoil you enjoyment while watching this episode.
Had never ridden in a double-decker bus before and went to the Sydney Bus and Truck Museum in the '90s, where I rode one-up in the middle upstairs of a similar red model. I was surprised at the stiffness of the ride even when you are so far away from the road. Of course I realised it was to stop them toppling over in their heyday on Sydney's winding downhill bends, as well as carrying the extra weight. One question - is the fan at 21:58 missing a piece from one of arms?
New subscriber. Love the work...hate the "music." It's just noise. Since this is a classic vehicle, perhaps some classic music.
I see you don't use impact wrenches much. I know you have to be careful but they are handy..
They are handy when dealing with some stuck bolts but when working on vehicles this old sometimes working by hand is safer and less likely to break off bolts or strip the threads.
They aren't under time pressure like a mechanical business and when working on antique equipment, it's better to have the dexterity of hand tools so you can feel what's going on.
Really enjoyed this.
Are you doing the film production in house? If so well done, it's excellent. I don't agree with other comments about the choice of music being wrong but you do need to work on the levels. looking forward to the next one.
Thank you, yes all recording and production is done in-house and we are taking onboard yours (and others) comments about the music levels.
In Hong Kong, KMB have many trouble to maintain the AEC AV590/AV690 on their AEC Regent V bus, so they replace it with Gardner 6LX engine
Are you sure you don't mean they kept the Gardner powered Guy Arab half cabs in service longer than the Regent Vs? Never heard of Gardners going into the AECs. They all got withdrawn.
Wasn't the Guy a Gardner LW?
To people complaining about loud
music , you can always turn down
Volume Control , it doesn't bother
me cos I'm H o H ( hard of hearing)
Loving this video takes me back
when l was a boy , Hope to fly
back to England in 2023 & visit
you guys , & family in Milton
Keynes 😀
You're quite right to be concerned about the thermostat. I learned that lesson the hard way. I had a thermostat stick closed on a summer's day, and the engine badly overheated. It ran after, but it blew smoke on startup and lost a bunch of compression. Now, I change thermostats every few years just because.
Really like the work you folks are doing, real eye opener. Bit puzzled as to why paint is sprayed without the sprayer wearing a mask!! What would HSE say??😨
Love it I use to drive 4 London transport, I could have driven that same bus. Westburn park bus garage.
Hi Enid, as far as we know RM1214 was never based at Westbourne Park.
@@Routemaster4Hire ok, the time I worked there was very enjoyable, we had RML,S as well. In my opinion Rout Masters r the best bus,s ever made.🙂
THE RCL ( Long wheelbase Green Line) version of the Routemaster were fitted from new with the AV690 engine along with a higher speed drive axle. The G'box was semi automatic, unlike the RMC where fully automatic was an option.
I used to love the routemasters as a child, though I rarely see them.. I was born '86.. just a baby lol
and yes, adjust the music levels please! lol
Thanks for the thermostat "scientific" test procedure, I am going to try it out in my Pegaso (Leyland inspired engine). I hope you all are well. So sad you got tired of preserving buses.
those old strips of trim, decent spares to have if there is nothing better, but can they be repaired?
I was thinking that. DONT THROW THEM OUT.
Someone will want them.
School life in the 70s getting the No. 8 along Bethnal Green Rd and Roman Rd 💙
Very enjoyable excellent.😎
don't know why RUclips wanted me to skip over ep3 and 4
You guys are awesome I just found your videos good luck
Thank you.
a small company called hydrajaw make replica AEC trims if you ever find yourself in need of some
Thanks Alfie, yes we are aware of them.
does not the routemaster association supply parts ?if owners get together they can get parts specially made cant they ?why did the engine blow up? lack of oil/dirty oil in the sump or runaway injection pump ?
Hi Peter. Many thanks for your questions...
Yes The Routemaster Association does supply many parts, they also get obsolite items remanufactured on behalf of the members.
If you watch the next video (Episode 4) we explain what happened to the engine.
Someone done nice job with the greyfergy new to channel love it
Spraying without a mask..tut tut...
I love these videos, especially the techy stuff and I appreciate the need for the music during the bits that might be considered slightly tedious by others. I also appreciate that it's 17 months since the video was uploaded but - and it's a big but - please, please, please, can you balance the speech and music volumes a bit better. When you talk to camera in the shop, I set my headphone volume level to 14 via the sound control on my computer. However as soon as the music starts, for a second or two, my ears are blasted and I have to reduce the level to 4 and then back up again for speech. I can't see you wearing a mic so perhaps that could be an answer.
Hear Hear!
@@loubrewer8228 Pardon - music too loud!!
Hi Ray, yes fair point, this was a recurring comment in earlier videos and if you watch our more recent episodes hopefully you will notice a big improvement?
@@Routemaster4Hire I fully intend watching them all and have subscribed to do so - and to not feel guilty!
I've heard that some Rm's had Leyland engines,Was there a difference in Power compared to the Aec engines?
There were 575 Routemasters fitted with Leyland 0600 Engines. Both the Leyland 0600 and the AEC 590 are 115bhp at 1800rpm, however the Leyland is 9.8 litre and the AEC is 9.6 litre.
Thank for your quick reply! Just a quick question, did the Leyland engines Sound different compared to the Aec engines? I've heard the Leyland engines, sound Melodic!
@@johnmichaeldorienjohn467 From memory ... living in Brixton in the early -mid 80s and while Brixton was still well served by RM operated Routes the Leyland had a slightly deeper note and seemed to idle faster. As I recall back then Brixton had 2,2b,3,35,37,109,159 & 172 all running RMs in 1982 and at the other end of where I lived just off of Railton Rd we had the 68 and 40. I’d always wait for an RM route if it duplicated an opo route...(edited to add) As I recall my move to Brixton was just about the time they were running DMS vehicles on the 133 on Sundays prior to conversion from RM crew operation, oh and I forgot the 45 that ran down from Stockwell turned left at Brixton Police Station and went on thru Camberwell
@@warweezil2802 thanks for your reply! I did notice, that some Rm's had a different sound! I miss both The sounds of both, the Aec & Leyland Rm's..
@@johnmichaeldorienjohn467 I miss them, They outlasted the DM & DMS (BL fleetline) even after the DMS had a mechanical refit to Iveco power) MCW Metrobus), Leyland Titans, some Volvos (including the couple of “experimental” Volvos allocated to SW (Stockwell) for the opo conversion of the 77/77a routes. I’ve always been an AEC man probably due to my childhood job washing trucks and helping out at a local firm here that ran a mixed fleet of AEC Marshall Mercury and Mandator trucks in the early 70s
My Dad is an old school mechanic and sadly he never wanted me to work on engines, so I am a curious watcher. One thing he taught me was to never put an old thermostat back on an engine and I was curious why you did, although it might be out of necessity as there may not be many new ones easily available and to save one is a better outcome. There's something really pleasant about the idle of those engines, they have like a high-low resonance. Great work gentlemen. Love the videos.
Thank you!
I wondered the same thing. I rarely ever open the thermostat housing on any of our vehicles, only if there are problems with temperature regulation. And if I do check them, it is only out of curiosity. Especially if it looks as old and grungy as the one in that bus!
Hi There my name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't all of you and your teammates could still be Rebuilding and Repainting a nice fresh shiny Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colour's just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus route's such as 168, 141, 20, 210, 24, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 188 of Those Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? We desperately Need your and your Teammates' help and support in Bringing back those grey-green 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses again because we are Bigger fans of the patterns of those interesting colours of these Buses to be brought back again for all of us Grey Green bus Lovers out there in North London and East London bus route lovers so Please can Really Really bringing them back again for all of us Grey Green Bus route lovers out there in North London and East London lovers Pretty Please? and can you and your teammates could you and your teammates also put most of them on the London Bus routes such as the London bus route 123, N41, 86, 221 and that is including the North London Bus route 41 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers out there in North London and East London Pretty Please? Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 41, 56 and N26 for all of us in North London and East London Grey Green Bus Lovers out there because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colours. I am a Big Fan of all of those Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support?
Turn the background music down
Hi Jim, many thanks for your comments regarding the music volume in this episode. In the early days of our RUclips journey we did make a 'School Boy' error of not adjusting the music volume to match the rest of the audio in the video. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it in this episode, however, we have taken on-board all the constructive comments regarding this and we hope you will find in our more recent episodes that this issue has been resolved? Please accept our apologies for this, we hope this does not spoil you enjoyment while watching this and other episodes.
So is there any reason in particular for not going the repower route given parts scarcity? Obviously you can still run these engines while you can get parts but it seems eventually that may become quite a problem.
The Routemasters that stayed in service in London into the 1990's and beyond were re-engined with Cummins and Iveco engines but this modernisation (in my opinion) ripped to soul out of these buses. That is why we prefer ours to be as original as possible. Mechanical parts are still available for the original engines and there are plenty of companies in the UK that can service and overhaul pumps, starters, compressors etc etc. For now, at least, there are enough parts knocking around to keep these buses running.
@@Routemaster4Hire plus you're not racking up the miles like a PSV bus, so they won't wear out at the same rate, yet you're keeping rhythm exercised and treating them better as well.
Silvering...? Is this just a paint colour or is there a reason why its silver.? The old armoured car (ferret) had silvering all over the wiring loom etc. any reason for this or is it just to show up oil leaks?
What is your main business for all these buses must very expensive keeping these vehicles on the rd . Plus tools and equipment premises list goes on .l found video interesting as drove these Rm Rml in London long time ago brings back some good memories.Thanks
Hi Geoffrey, our main business is offering our buses for private hire, typically for Weddings and special events; we also organise our our sightseeing tours from Llangollen using our open-top Routemaster. I may do a video soon on their running costs, it would make your eyes water!!
@@Routemaster4Hire So most are class VI?
The music is beyond awful
Terrible background noise
Question Dave. Why were those engines so noisy?. Were they the same engines fitted to RMC’s in 1962 on 721 Green Line service and in 1967 to RML County Area buses at Harlow please?.
Were the engines and frame originally painted silver? Do you have a color call-out number for the red that was used on the buses?
Ha! I love that so many comments refer to the music, not the content. Content is great, so is the music. Mind you I'm stoned - how else would I have stumbled across this gem?
Awesome Sause
I have seen flat head/countersunk screws seize like that. I have learned anti-seize is great for the taper.
Beautiful refurbishment of the engine. I am based in The Netherlands and am considering buying an RM. One thing that makes me hesitant is the engine dying on me and then not be able to find a replacement. If that happens, are there any modern engines (that meet new diesel regulations?) available to place into the RM?
Hi Paul. Routemaster AV590 engines are like hens teeth nowadays so your best alternative is to fit a AV690, these engines are old but many were fitted to generators and so have much less hours then their AV590 equivalents. To fit a modern engine into a Routemaster would be a big engineering task and would undervalue the vehicle.
@@Routemaster4Hire Thanks a lot for the reply. Then if I get into such a situation, I know in which direction to look.
@@Routemaster4Hire Unfortunately, since the Brexit, I do not dare to buy an RM in the UK anymore.
I understand that imported second hand cars from the UK now have to be tested before I can get a Dutch registration for them. That adds a big risk to an purchase. So, I'll search on the continent.
@@Routemaster4Hire The reason why 590s are rarer is because LT brought up almost all the spares. 690s only differ in the liner, piston and cylinder heads. 690s principle use was in Mammoth Majors, Mandatory and Militant Mk 3s. Most mobile cranes used 470s, with earlier cranes running 11.3 engines. If you aren't worried about total originality a 691 or 760 could be used - de rated.
Some RMs came with Leyland 0600 new, 400 of them I believe. I used to not like the idea of that until I learned why LT did that -so as not to be so reliant on one make. Besides, they sound awesome!
what did you do with the 690 engine?
Hi Alex, its currently gathering dust in our unit. The plan is to eventually rebuild it and put it back in the bus, but it needs expensive hard to find parts.
The heavy Metal Guitar Music is great whose is it please.
The 690 biting the dust is not good news. It sounded so sweet too. Good to see a tidy bit of silvering going on. I’m curious as to wether someone has ever put a Gardner 6LW/LX in a Routemaster?
Hi Gary, yes it not good news about the 690! As far as I know there has never been a Gardner engine fitted in a Routemaster.
Shame about the awful music.
WHAT INJECTOR NOT CARBORATIOR
Really interesting video, thank you! I just discovered this channel and now I'm binge watching your videos ☺️! One question: Around 4:50 it seems that you making a new gasket (Is that the right term? I don't have ANY knowledge in mechanical work, sorry!) with some "paper" and a hammer. Could someone tell something about it, what's this material called and how does this work with a hammer? Does this process have a name? I'm from Germany and would love to dig a bit deeper into this, just out of curiosity. Thanks again.
short answer All apprentices are taught how to make a gasket by this method,Not all gaskets can be kept in stock or out on site ,so the mechanic has to be able to make one.😊
@@johnwoodhead4059 Thanks! Do you use the gasket material directly or is it a kind of template, that you work on with the hammer and then transfer it to a sheet of rubber or something like that?
What route do you take to get to London for your expeditions there and how long does it take in driving time?
We do try and avoid motorways as much as possible, not sure of the exact route as SatNav takes us a different route every time but typically its a good 6-7hrs driving time. With regular stops it can take us over 8 hours door to door.
Hi really enjoyed your video I see that when RM1214 came into the workshop it had blinds set to Route 190 that brings back memories as I was a conductor on that route in 1983 when I joined LT as a Bus Operating Youth Trainee. I also lived on the route - I served at South Croydon TC and Thornton Heath TH as a conductor and Driver I would love to drive an RM again ... great videos keep them coming
robert, you probably gave me a ticket as I went to Purley High School for Boys in the 80’s. Also one of my other buses (RM765) was at South Croydon garage so you probably worked on that bus too?
@@Routemaster4Hire hi i went to purley boys as well from 1980-1983 then went on the buses to work at TC on the 190 and 68
YOU MEAN 50 50 COOLANT
Why do you punch the botton twice?
Wish I was there
Like to See a strip down of the old engine to see what failed.
We will do that at some point.
hi, why dont you fit a proper air cleaner like the iveco engined routemasters, the engines would be a lot less noiser .i suppose its a case of getting a 690 lorry engine rocker cover where the oil bath air cleaner will fix on to. good luck,
Hi Peter. Our aim is to keep the bus as original as possible. Air filters were never fitted by London Transport besides I doubt one would fit under the bonnet.
@@Routemaster4Hire That's why RTs have a low bonnet line compared with other Regent IIIs: LT did not like the oil bath air cleaner fitted as standard, and had it deleted by AEC, though all other Regent IIIs had it. London Transport always “knew best” - or thought they did, arrogant so-and-sos. RLHs had the oil bath filter, so it was clearly something that created no problems, even for the LT engineering department! They, however, were responsible for the extraordinary decision to have 700 RFs made for them: a design which was at the best obsolescent from the outset, and only made for about 3 years before it was replaced by the far superior Reliance, a model with which, famously, London Transport could not cope, despite the fact that every operator of it in the country swore by its performance, reliability, and durability. Instead, they stuck their oar in again to help develop the AEC Merlin/Swift, which they bought in significant numbers and sold for scrap within 10 years. They should (and could) have bought Bristol REs instead, but oh no! These were designed for the Provinces and therefore not good enough for London! They even buggered about with Daimler Fleetlines and relaunched them as “The Londoner” (adding loads of unnecessary modifications and crap which made them virtually inoperable, and had to be removed before selling them on for useful work elsewhere). Then there was the Titan fiasco, in which they were intimately involved. A very good bus, when it worked, but was too damned complicated to be kept on the road. No, in their entire history, LT's only great success was the Routemaster, a wonderful bus, even though it was obsolescent (like the RF) as soon as its production wheels hit the road. Please do not extol the virtues of the LT engineers.
Oh - thanks, before this film I did not know the RM did not have an air filter. Very interesting, and very stupid. By the way, did the replacement FIAT and Cummins engines not have air filters either, or, come to that, the Leyland-engined examples from new? Personally, I would have designed the RM to accommodate a Gardner engine. Bristol made Lodekkas with the same capacity and dimensions as the RM incorporating the Gardner 6LX, so it must have been possible!
Sorry for the rant - just my opinions. Very good videos. Very interesting, and well done!
@@allenwilliams1306 If you think the Reliance in Medium Weight form was in any respect superior to an RF you haven't had any contact with either vehicle. Nothing with a 470 was trouble free. The RF was a rugged vehicle that could to huge amounts of work and deliver great reliability, even after many miles. Something you simply couldn't say about any wet liner AEC engines in horizontal form.
Vehicles virtually inoperable? What a load of rubbish! You do have a point about the air filters, but I'd like to know where you've got all your working experience from?
Brilliant, great film and well done all round ..... top presenter.
Good work!
Thanks!
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Enjoyed watching the video's, please ask the guys to wear PPE.
The last video when drilling some screws out the guy wasn't wearing any eye protection.
This video the guy had no mask on whilst spray painting. 😡
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