Sorry but that is annoying. You were trying to be nice and cool and probably really wanted something true whatever that is....and he acted like a smart ass and wrote Sarah Jessica Parker. Not impressed.
Absolutely. Whether you like him or not, Stephen King, would be a fantastic interview. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and he drops the F bomb with the best of them.
This is my most favorite author because of how far he goes. He’s scary and amazing! He tests you constantly. Tests your morals and values and never says if it’s ok or not. Leaves you stuck with no one to blame for the odd pleasure you get from his writing.
That heating pad story was unreal. The way he describes the mundane with such detail and passion is something to be commended. What a wonderful American storyteller.
If anybody is a little confused about this guy's identity or dark vibe, look up his bio. He grew up in a trailer, worked as a diesel mechanic for awhile, and experienced horrors in his life. His dad met a woman online and the woman's ex murdered his dad and her and sent them on fire. He is not just a darkness obsessed journalist novelist. Dude comes from a different world than he seems to come from.
I ask you this cause you seem to know a bit about him: to me it seems like he gets Joe to give a lot of answers for him and then he plays the moderate voice of reason. And then he comes with one of those stories and fucks everyone. It seems like he manipulates the conversion (not malevolently i assume).
Chuck is a journalist, so I would assume it's a deliberate technique. It's just like any good conversation: both people are giving answers and rallying the ball back and forth. He tells a story, Joe tells a story, Chuck tops that one, Joe segways, etc. He knows these are good stories, and he's really setting them up well by this "moderate" lead up. In a lot of ways it's similar to what comedians do sometimes when telling a joke.
"It is that existentialistic moment where you realize that you have to sacrifice your youth for something. You're not going to live forever. It's a very Martin Heidegger moment, where you realize you have to become a being living toward death. You're not going to live forever and you've got to give your life to something." Yes.
I don't fully agree, but for a writer there must be value in a story where people engage and consider themselves part of a similar experience. So if he later writes a character which goes through something similar, the reader will likely identify with that aspect and subconsciously relate it to a common experience. I think what he meant as bad anectodes are the ones that are conversation stoppers. Actual speechlessness after reading something can be very powerful, too.
Dark stories help people who've been through or around situations like those. You're not alone when you're facing difficult time's. Thank you Chuck for shining light in the dark.
@Andrew Rice true, thats the solution. but the cause in "society" that makes people feel as they're less or depressed is that few people are so brave to show themselfs vulnerable.. societies standards aren't made to regain/maintain mental health, those kind of stories that haunt people and make them struggle in life are basically unwanted. just mho
Please have more conversations that are uncomfortable because that is what made this podcast so great. We need more discussions like this. These topics aren't talked about enough!
43:45 Chuck: Im a trying to create an openning for people to tell their personal stories. 44:00 Joes start ratting on her daughter bidet story. Great work Chuck
IRONY ...... Chuck starts off by saying people usually mistake him for someone else or he isn't who they expect and the first thing Joe does is mistake him for another writer. Great podcast from that point on
Joe is comedian....people. I think that was just the most HILARIOUS thing ever!!! Most real embarrassing real maybe not both being maybe not assholes....too funny.
Not 100% accurate but here are the timestamps: Joe Rogan #1158 - Chuck Palahniuk 2:20 ambient 5:00 fight club 6:40 movies for man 7:00 JBP 7:45 second father 11:30 sacrifice of youth 12:20 how to test your story idea 14:15 censorship 15:25 sexual abuse leads to problems 21:00 breaking the writing glass 25: kicked out of writing group 34:00 why you should write physical instead of typing on keyboard 40:00 writing ny diving in other peoples mind 41:00 brownies story 44:05 Joe Rogan tells the water ass story 47:00 which of the same stories to choose; the extremes 48:30 building tension in stories\ 54:00 proxy offended 55:00 autopsy colour joke ~?59:30 acceptable things to laugh about 1:09:20 equality of outcome 1:1400 the power of sympatric control 1:18:30 the benefits of headsets 1:27:30 Fight club abortion line 1:30:30 Weinstein black people stay at home controversial 1:40:00 burning man and frustration with society 1:44:30 Jim goat, good writer - Chuck Palahniuk 1:46:40 incorrect happiness, dark 1:48:00 Journalist or others get close and use very personal information for the story (Carrot story) 1:54:00 bonding gone wrong
ambien* not ambient lol, they are talking about zolpidem which is a medication used for treatment of sleeping problems sold under the brand name ambien.
17:35 Cheryl Strayed actually published the bird story online in 2010, it can be found in "Advice on love and life from Dear Sugar". No 39. Go read it.
@Shadow Ego Nothing to add about the conversation. But your profile pic made me panic, just bought a new laptop and thought I fucked up the screen already. You fucking dick hahhaha
The best thing about his writing is his actual writing style. He just keeps you engaged. Great ideas too, of course, but I honestly think he could write about anything and his writing style itself would make it interesting and readable.
What book did you order and did you enjoy it? I love all his books. Haunted and invisible monsters are my two favorite. I'm actually reading Damned right now.
Chuck is an impressive listener .The way he contributes and adds to the conversation is masterful; unraveling different tangents of the topic. And he lives in Portland !
@@topherming6565 People label rhetoric repeaters like Candace Owen's a "free thinker", but Chuck is here talking about his personal experience with writing and how to make and embrace original ideas and concepts. I would call him a free thinker.
You might call Candace Owens a freethinker in the sense that she isn't conforming to the groupthink of her race. Otherwise she is a conservative thinker, conforming to conservative thought. Chuck is just like millions of guys that reject social norms and mores. That may one definition of freethinker. But he's a stereotype in modern writing. A product of the postmodern ivory tower university. But some people think the Marquis de Sade and Henry Miller are just great. I don't see anything there.
@@topherming6565 I don't like people thinking black people are trapped in group think. I assume the people that say things like that don't know any black people personally.
Chuck thoroughly enjoys making people uncomfortable. He started the interview contradicting and correcting Joe, and that was by design. It worked. Joe seemed a little unnerved by his energy and quiet intensity, his speech patterns, the way he constantly threw Joe for a loop with his views.
43:47 Chuck: "I'm trying to help people master the stories of themselves they cannot accept otherwise.... Joe: I have a toilet that shoots water up your ass
I love the awkward moment when chuck is referring to his beta audience (as in beta testing) And Joe starts talking about Beta and Alpha people, completely misunderstanding what he meant.
Nope, that isn't what Chuck meant... He meant his beta as in his beta testers. The folks that he is testing his material on. Joe was high and is so used to taking about alphas and betas in regards to personalities that he didn't consider the other meaning for the word.
tonycatman, no, it was not a pun. It's just Joe is a bit slow AND used to be that childish to incoporate "alpha" and "beta" with that connotation in his everyday vocabulary.
I disagree. I think beta signifies a lack of assertiveness relative to alpha. We all know men who can be classified as beta and men who can be classified as alpha.
I do not see Chuck as a degraded monster, I never did. His works are probably among the few most honest pieces of literature thats available in our lifetime. The eyes are all on The United Safe-spaces of America right now. People are not people anymore, everyday we go closer to a future satire similar to Demolition Man where the horrible shit thats supposed to help us learn and adapt is put away and replaced with too many "safe" ideas and rules. I respect Chuck very much for his audacity and tenacity to fuck peoples expectations and unexpectedly snare readers into Taboos that they would never put themselves in.
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Agreed, I feel that he's sort of 'above' the mindset of consumer culture, and trying to steer humanity in the direction of appreciating honesty and social reward in it. Enlightenment plays a HUGE role in many of his books. For example; the nightmare box in Haunted. And there's a lot of parallels with spiral dynamics in fight club. But, his very (almost sociopathic demeanor) is only because, he understands that the world is equally fucked up as well as good. The world just IS, how can we progress as a society if we DONT start being more open and build our social evolution.
I've been enjoying, looking forward to, and talking about Joe Rogans podcast for quite a long time. As much as I Iove him talking with comics, and some of the world's most forward thinkers, ......this up to date has been my most enjoyed episode. I know Joe or any of his ppl will not see this comment, or care about my opinion,but God damn, this was a fucking grand slam. This is the closest thing to Joe talking to Hemmingway or Hunter S Thompson. This was thoroughly enjoyable. Keep pushing the envelope Joe, you have Lightning in a bottle.
@@shanegoguen1581 Chuck is a very open and friendly person. You should see him at his book events. He is amazing with fans. Joe seemed almost scared by him, especially when Chuck left to use the restroom. I don't see what is so weird or scary about Chuck. He is a fascinating, incitful, and thought provoking person. I think he writes about a lot of things people think about but are too timid to speak out loud. Hopefully Joe has him back on one day. I love to listen to Chuck converse.
You realise Joe Rogan doesn't exist, there is only Jamie, and his creation of a psychological ideal; that's why we never see or hear Jamie...He created Rogan.
This is the first time I’ve cried during a JRE podcast. When he talked about the relief when his mom was dying. This was a dark podcast in a good way. Thanks Joe
This is one of those "catch you off guard good" ones. Its cuttingly intense. I literally was cringing and tensing my body at how descriptively disturbing and "wild west" this guys topics are.
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@@seebee7711 not everyone exposes themselves to the darker aspects of life. The majority don't want to, sorta like sweeping the dust under the rug in terms of the psychological muck that goes around the world. But exposing yourself to it is more beneficial than it is negative. It puts your nervous system into shock and eventually you won't get phased by these incidents. It makes us mature and challenges us to be more responsible because we know that things could be way worse than they really are. I recall Terence McKenna saying in a lecture that if you show your children violence on television, let it be real, not special effects. For it shocks us into seeing the truth of the objective reality. We make these things conscious so that we don't unconscious manifest them in our waking lives. I advocate looking into the dark to people who have the guts to do it.
well i think it's the fact that he can get away with it, some guests are just not as perceptive, either that or joe rogan doesn't highly respect them mostly because some guests are living in some type of bubble and joe doesn't really like that from what I seen, but joe doesn't do anything differently than any other person on the streets or in a fuckin mansion
Any guy that writes a book like Fight Club that leads to a movie like Fight Club, you can count that I will hang on every word this man says. Thank's Chuck, you changed my life.
I agree. I read Choke and was amazed at that book as well as Survivor, however the movie is pretty stinky bad. Ok not that bad, but yes doesn't do it justice.
The problem with acting like this is some sort of rare or anomalous thing is for all anyone knows, the vast, overwhelming majority of gay men could be just like this, but since they aren't inclined to make an issue of it, you'll never know.
Many gay men are effeminate and many are not. That isn't "treating it as their identity". *If* that's what you were implying. There's also many straight men who are effeminate too, and the characteristics that come with that. But due to social gender expectations on both sides, a lot of people regardless of their sexual attraction and their sex, suppress these characteristics, to fit in better with current society. But not all of them of course, and that is starting to go more and more out the window, as people start to give less of a shit about whether someone is gay or not, and how effeminate they may or may not be (and that's also happening with straight men, as gay men become more accepted. Because there's then less social fear there for everyone). As far as like, gay parades and extravagance... that's just having fun and being loud and proud, of something that has been shunned for so long. Also recognise that it's a different usage of "pride" being used there, from the usual one. Pretty much none of them are quite like that in their daily lives. Some are focus heavily on gay issues because that's what they're passionate about. ALSO, there are indeed a lot of gay people who when they first come out, can almost make it their whole identity. But they simmer down with time. We see that with heaps of people who are new to something. They get into it and want to explore it for the first time, especially if they have been repressing it for so long. I could go into the drag queen and transgender topics, but this is plenty long.
Definitely the best podcast to date. Chuck has been one of my favorite writers since I read Survivor. I've found myself drawn to his books as they featured seemingly normal people submerged into this darkness of human nature. It's was relatable in a creepy way I guess as I've always found myself fascinated by the grotesque and wanting to write about it. I've been in a blank spot for several years. Hearing him talk about his process and where he gets his ideas not only provided insight but also further inspiration to get off my ass and start working on my writing again. Thanks Chuck!
Top five podcast for me up there with Grahmn Hancock, Jordan Peterson, Dan Carlin, Neil Degrasse Tyson. Honorable mentions(non comedians): Sam Harris, Chris Ryan, JA West, Henry Rollins, Dan Pena, Steve Rinella...and so many more i cant remember.
Sounds good, doesn't work. Don't get me wrong, I love hearing Jordan Peterson talk, but he's such a bad listener, or at least that's what it seems in he's youtube videos. While on the other hand Chuck seems so nice, like he actually listens to you, he doesn't just try to teach you something all the time, which is great in a way, but also very patronizing
When Chuck labels himself a bad man. I believed him. There's no real use qualifying a person's opinion. He has his reasons. I believe Joe was spooked by him he tried to sooth himself by being the contrarian.
I never in my life thought I get to see this. I saw the notification for this too late, so I missed the first hour. I decide to skip til I could watch it all at once. This is a dream come true. Honestly! My favorite interviewer/podcaster sitting down with not only my favorite author, bit who I personally believe to be the most prolific writer of my generation. Fight Club was huge and popular. But many of his other books to me were better. Haunted. Survivor, Snuff. Rant, Invisible Monsters. Lullaby. Choke. Damned. And Stranger Fiction. All of them amazing amazing reads. I've read them all multiple times. Chuck, if you read this.. please know that you helped develop me as a story teller and as a dark comedian. My life would not be the same if I had not been. Introduced to your written work. I must thank you 1,000 times for what you've contributed to the world of literally for so long
Joseph Loiselle I've only read Haunted & Fight Club. Which book of his would you recommend the most for me to read next? I LOVED Haunted so much. I usually prefer fiction/ horror
You can drag the video's progress bar back and watch from the beginning even while it is still streaming live. Just thought I'd share that since I recently realized that myself. This was also one of my favorite JRE podcasts in quite a while, even though I'm completely unfamiliar with Chuck Palahniuk's works (other than the movie version of Fight Club).
Fun fact: I stopped reading Palahnuik's books after reading Lullaby. The imagery was so sharp and hypnotic that my mind was consumed by the subject matter. I lost the ability to sleep soundly during the time spent reading that book. I had to retire that novel. Its such a mark of an incredible artist to infect a mind with words written on paper. This was over 10 years ago, I dont read much anymore. But I am a huge, huge fan of Chuck Palahniuk, I am a transgressional character but much more subdued and much less interesting than any story he's ever written. I want more of this Joe.
I thought I was a die-hard fan of Fight Club until I started reading the book - way darker and far more disturbing and violent than the movie...I didn't finish it.
I took an Ambien once. Woke up with kitchen knives in my bed and there was blood everywhere. I was covered head to toe in cuts. I guess I just started slicing my body up and fell asleep with the knives. I'll never take any sleeping medication again.
I started reading seriously because of that man. Around the age of 17 I was really weird and violent and after seeing fight club, we started our own fight club and I was the only dude willing to fight every time, every guy. Not because I was brave but because I was stupid. Like in fight club we started breaking stuff in the city and doing reckless things. Things turned bad with those friends eventually and I lost them all, and at the same time I had no internet for a while, so I was forced to go to the public library to have access to internet. One day as I was waiting for my turn I was browsing through some books and I stumbled upon a book titled ''Survivor'' from a dude with a weird name: Chuck Palahniuk. A week earlier I had heard an interview with a comic (ironically) in which he was asked what he was reading at the time, and it was that book. I remember him saying ''He's the guy who wrote Fight Club''; I had never read a book in my life but I immediately felt a strong need to read that one. Damn it was hard for a first read, especially for a dummy like me at the time. But it lit a fire in me and I changed entirely from that day. Reading was no longer boring, and reading was learning; so learning was no longer boring too. Eventually I ended up reading almost all the classics, books on astrophysics (ironically again), epistemology, history of science, philosophy... So I'm a dude who really can say that Fight Club changed my life and made me a man. This podcast is such a gem; infinite thanks Joe!
Now you've opened up a whole world of knowledge to yourself. There is nothing out there that you can not figure out. Now that you've stoked the fire of curiosity, it can burn through anything, you simply need to feed it the right fuel. Keep feeding that fire, keep stoking it and learning, and constantly surrounding yourself with new thoughts, new knowledge, revising old thoughts, revising old knowledge, and seek out as many smart people as you can. Smart people are often very picky with the people they surround themselves with, because it's a lot of effort trying to relate to uninspired, non-curious people. It can be discompassionate, but they will find the inspiration that sets their fire eventually, the same way you did. The most beautiful thing I have learned about knowledge is that it teaches you how to be a great man. I learned through reading and through suffering that a leader is someone who not only puts in as much as everyone else, but thinks about how best to achieve the ultimate outcome, especially by taking care of their team, and stoking loyalty by giving it. I have saved a lot of coworkers' asses from the fire by busting my own ass to make them look good, and they remembered, and they match my effort every time. If I fail them, that's the beginning of the end. I learned by reading and fighting, that conflict is everywhere, and the most satisfying thing in the world is identifying challenges, learning about them, collecting data, planning strategies, and attacking with everything you got once the plans are laid. The most graceful thing in any man's life is realizing what goals he has, and then committing a solid portion of his life to achieving them, and then when he achieves them, he has become a great man. People who are afraid and uninspired are small. Inconsequential and insignificant, a man whose fear rules his heart and mind is a man who is a prisoner of his own fear. No matter how much you suffer, you're getting something out of it. Even if it's nothing tangible, it will make a good story.
Exponential Domino ironically it sounds like a guy whose just wrote that to make a case for how chuck talks about people who open up with their own stories after they read his work....
i honestly consider survivor one of the best books ever written. everything after about rant onwards is pretty mediocre but his first 4 or 5 are great works, especially survivor
I've never read any of Chuck's books but this interview definitely inspired me to pick up a new creative project and maybe even pick up my writing again.
I know it has already been said but JR should have more writers and filmmakers. David Lynch would be a mind blowing interview, if he would ever agree to do it!
"Before my father was murdered, he kept asking me to introduce him to wynona ryder, then when I found out he was killed by white supremacists in the mountains of Idaho one of the first things to cross my mind was, well, I'm off the hook with that wynona ryder thing"
Excellent podcast! The first rule of Podcast Club is you don't talk about Alex Jones. The second rule is you don't talk about Alex Jones. The third rule is don't sit with the chair backwards the entire time.The fourth rule is Jamie knows more than you about physics, unless you're the next guest.
what an incredible guest. this podcast had me locked in throughout the whole thing wanting more when it ended. you could have chuck back on tomorrow and i feel i'd listen to the whole thing without problems. one of the best jre episodes ever in my opinion.
It starts off slow, but Palahniuk gave some really insightful gems. I enjoyed the part about apprenticeship and the need for men to have a second father.
Slow? More like so deep it will drown you. First 30 or so min: Grandpa, the baby bird, beat with a heating pad so bad that changes a lifetime? Yeah real slow... jaw dropping from the rip
@@jaydamalley3398 you can have a biological father in the home, but if the kid has an interest in music and the parents aren't musicians, the kid needs that second father that can mentor them in their passion.
I still remember December 1999. The lowest moment of realization. I was falling apart. Nothing in my life had ever been OK. Everything was awry. Everything had always been awry. And I just stepped into that movie theater and the first scenes cut my breath, not the whole movie, the first 5 minutes of it. I was reborn to the awry life I had always had. But from that moment on, I embraced it more. I felt it was, painfully and shitty, but a life. And started enjoying it. Thank you Chuck.
This interview made me feel somewhat uneasy and not necessarily cause of the stories he was telling, it's cause you could tell he had even darker and more disturbing stories to tell, but was holding back and trying to be measured with what he revealed.
Word, i wonder what his public persona would look like if this was more like the "beat" era; he's likely holding onto some gnarly experiences. Hopefully not too brutal. Or maybe like most shit, the hype is all imagination on behalf of listener/reader.
Chuck Palahniuk went full Chuck Palahniuk with an autopsy anecdote and Joe Rogan casually slipped into a Kinison necrophilia joke to establish a mutual distaste for censorship. 🙌
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I'm really convinced Joe Rogan is my generation's, Larry King. He just seems to be able to "hang" with so many diverse and intellectual people, without judgment, it's really inspiring. Joe's really good. A completely shitty actor, decent stand-up comedian, a good TV host (Fear Factor) a great color man (UFC) and tremendous interviewer.
I don't think Joe is trying to get under people's skin. The only time I thought he was wrong was when he called out schaub on his career. In fairness he did it to his face which was better than behind his back, but that was a conversation that should have happened offline.... although, maybe he wouldn't have retired if it was offline, I don't know
There's definitely judgement. He threw his buddy, Alex Jones, under the bus. And even though I understand why someone would dislike Alex Jones,Joe did him dirty.
That bird/penis allegory was intense... You can tell this was difficult for joe. Hes grasping for questions. But that's a good thing. Scrap the "fight" episodes and replace them with writers.
W because life isn’t always positive. And, for some writers, their happy ending is writing their tragedy and turning it into something that can disturb and even provoke thought. These dark tales need to exist. For the balance of things to continue . He was calling it magnificent in the way she was so bare, and it was the best thing she probably ever wrote because it was safe with her, and she decided to be unsafe. That’s a true writer/artist.
With all big films being blockbusters and the big books needing to adhere to company policy, I think there is a huge thirst in people to explore the truly outrageous as part of their existence. We all know that existence is pain and that life begets death. This with the idea that he killed that little girl when he abused her and now she goes around killing things in turn... It just works on every level I can wrap my little brain around. We are missing out on such great art whenever we close our minds out of fear. At least in writing you have to be fearless. Him being kicked out of a circle for writing the deflating sex-doll story (probably would work better as a comedy bit) is just pathetic. If your story requires "good old super violence", you should be able to go there and if it reuires you to identify with the most pathetic of people you should go there. If you limit your empathy, you limit your understanding of the human condition and ultimately the entire human world.
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Switched to the full show after one clip
Christopher Green same
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Much the same
Me too.
Met him on the Fight Club 2 tour and asked him to autograph my note journal however he liked.
He signed it "Sarah Jessica Parker"
Awesome
Are you sure it wasn't Sarah Jessica Parker you met?
@@thealienpredatorfly legendary burn
Sorry but that is annoying. You were trying to be nice and cool and probably really wanted something true whatever that is....and he acted like a smart ass and wrote Sarah Jessica Parker. Not impressed.
@@vaskylark Lol I didn't mind. I asked him to jot literally whatever. It was very on brand.
Interview more authors, please.
I second this
@@austinchristian7936 I minute this
Yuup.
Absolutely. Whether you like him or not, Stephen King, would be a fantastic interview. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and he drops the F bomb with the best of them.
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This is my most favorite author because of how far he goes. He’s scary and amazing! He tests you constantly. Tests your morals and values and never says if it’s ok or not. Leaves you stuck with no one to blame for the odd pleasure you get from his writing.
That heating pad story was unreal. The way he describes the mundane with such detail and passion is something to be commended. What a wonderful American storyteller.
41:00 if anyone else needs it. I wanted to hear it the second time after few weeks.
I cried.
Legit brought tears to my eyes. That poor woman, I feel so bad about how her mother reacted.
WOW that caught me off guard... holyshit
One of the greatest podcasts of the JRE. More guests like this please.
Beerdy - Bruce Lee Central no more white supremacist with the whole “blacks have low IQ” crap
Imo this IS the greatest interview he's ever done.
Who said that?
Bret Easton Ellis
Me Hey morning
If anybody is a little confused about this guy's identity or dark vibe, look up his bio. He grew up in a trailer, worked as a diesel mechanic for awhile, and experienced horrors in his life. His dad met a woman online and the woman's ex murdered his dad and her and sent them on fire. He is not just a darkness obsessed journalist novelist. Dude comes from a different world than he seems to come from.
No, way darker than that. He's probably a GD luciferian.
I ask you this cause you seem to know a bit about him: to me it seems like he gets Joe to give a lot of answers for him and then he plays the moderate voice of reason. And then he comes with one of those stories and fucks everyone. It seems like he manipulates the conversion (not malevolently i assume).
Chuck is a journalist, so I would assume it's a deliberate technique. It's just like any good conversation: both people are giving answers and rallying the ball back and forth. He tells a story, Joe tells a story, Chuck tops that one, Joe segways, etc.
He knows these are good stories, and he's really setting them up well by this "moderate" lead up. In a lot of ways it's similar to what comedians do sometimes when telling a joke.
got to the end of your first paragraph thinking "like joke structure!" and then you hit it in the 2nd.
Debonair Fox Great analysis, I agree
"It is that existentialistic moment where you realize that you have to sacrifice your youth for something. You're not going to live forever. It's a very Martin Heidegger moment, where you realize you have to become a being living toward death. You're not going to live forever and you've got to give your life to something." Yes.
Is it good enough to sacrifice "a" youth?
I have one dream I'd give my youth for
@@holafceja what's your dream?
Jesus that’s amazing
@drew bell have you immersed yourself in existential literature?
I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to hear a genuinely interesting, fucked up person let loose in this age of opaqueness and self-censorship.
vautry I wish I could like this comment 100 times
This is one of my top 5 podcast guests of Joe so far.
Can you mention the other 4?
I just thought about this.
who are others?
Neil Tyson, Edward Snowden, Ben Shapiro, and Elon Musk. (Disclaimer: I’m not a Shapiro fan, but I enjoy their conversations with eachother)
Paul Statment, Edward Norton, Elon Musk, Jordan peterson and this 👌
13:19 - "A good anecdote doesn't leave people speechless, it leaves them competing." Powerful!
Good stuff
He pulled a lot of info out of Rogan
So anytime you hear people one upping, check the conversation, that is a good anecdote.
@@kossboss great idea! Also take notes from the anecdote
I don't fully agree, but for a writer there must be value in a story where people engage and consider themselves part of a similar experience. So if he later writes a character which goes through something similar, the reader will likely identify with that aspect and subconsciously relate it to a common experience. I think what he meant as bad anectodes are the ones that are conversation stoppers. Actual speechlessness after reading something can be very powerful, too.
Dark stories help people who've been through or around situations like those. You're not alone when you're facing difficult time's. Thank you Chuck for shining light in the dark.
@Andrew Rice true, thats the solution. but the cause in "society" that makes people feel as they're less or depressed is that few people are so brave to show themselfs vulnerable.. societies standards aren't made to regain/maintain mental health, those kind of stories that haunt people and make them struggle in life are basically unwanted. just mho
Please have more conversations that are uncomfortable because that is what made this podcast so great. We need more discussions like this. These topics aren't talked about enough!
43:45
Chuck: Im a trying to create an openning for people to tell their personal stories.
44:00 Joes start ratting on her daughter bidet story.
Great work Chuck
Because Chuck Mindfucked him at 13:19.
I'm literally using my bidet as I'm listening to this.
That was so good, especially because Joe doesn't talk about these things.
Also 49:33 wtf was that sound?
@@whyarewestillherejusttosuf5964 🤣
"You have to sacrifice your youth for something." Talk about getting hit with a hammer when I heard this...
dutch1171 where in the video is that said?
@@heidipaone9544 @ ~11:45
Being a great pool player is a sign of a misspent youth.
me too
And to think I sacrificed mine for nothing.
IRONY ...... Chuck starts off by saying people usually mistake him for someone else or he isn't who they expect and the first thing Joe does is mistake him for another writer. Great podcast from that point on
Wdym he mistook him for another writer?
"That's not ironic--It's just coincidental!"
It wasn't ironic at all, the context was completely different
Joe is consistently outmatched intellectually here. It's honestly kind of embarrassing.
Joe is comedian....people. I think that was just the most HILARIOUS thing ever!!! Most real embarrassing real maybe not both being maybe not assholes....too funny.
This was unbelievable. I think this was the best JRE podcast I've ever listened to.
Not 100% accurate but here are the timestamps:
Joe Rogan #1158 - Chuck Palahniuk
2:20 ambient
5:00 fight club
6:40 movies for man
7:00 JBP
7:45 second father
11:30 sacrifice of youth
12:20 how to test your story idea
14:15 censorship
15:25 sexual abuse leads to problems
21:00 breaking the writing glass
25: kicked out of writing group
34:00 why you should write physical instead of typing on keyboard
40:00 writing ny diving in other peoples mind
41:00 brownies story
44:05 Joe Rogan tells the water ass story
47:00 which of the same stories to choose; the extremes
48:30 building tension in stories\
54:00 proxy offended
55:00 autopsy colour joke
~?59:30 acceptable things to laugh about
1:09:20 equality of outcome
1:1400 the power of sympatric control
1:18:30 the benefits of headsets
1:27:30 Fight club abortion line
1:30:30 Weinstein black people stay at home controversial
1:40:00 burning man and frustration with society
1:44:30 Jim goat, good writer - Chuck Palahniuk
1:46:40 incorrect happiness, dark
1:48:00 Journalist or others get close and use very personal information for the story (Carrot story)
1:54:00 bonding gone wrong
ambien* not ambient lol, they are talking about zolpidem which is a medication used for treatment of sleeping problems sold under the brand name ambien.
You are an angel, darlin'~
Thank you~
thanks man 💯
Thank you thank you thank you
Also, pls 01, fuck you
This is one of the best JRE podcasts I've ever seen. Such an intense, intimate and stimulating conversation
17:35 Cheryl Strayed actually published the bird story online in 2010, it can be found in "Advice on love and life from Dear Sugar". No 39. Go read it.
you can also find it in her book "Tiny Beautiful Things: Advice on Love and Life from Dear Sugar", right in the beginning
Thanks! therumpus.net/2010/06/dear-sugar-the-rumpus-advice-column-39-the-baby-bird/
@@bazag holy shit. wild, but thank you for this
Thanks! :)
This guy got joe to talk about his kid, unprompted and in a very personal way. That's what made me realise that this was gonna be profound.
He did exactly what Chuck talked about, he heard a great story and he competed.
Joe never talks about his kids EVER. then he talks about how his kid was getting water squirted up her butt..
@Shadow Ego i think what Chuck means when he says that people are competing and telling their stories, they are relating to his story
@Shadow Ego Nothing to add about the conversation. But your profile pic made me panic, just bought a new laptop and thought I fucked up the screen already. You fucking dick hahhaha
That's true. In well over a thousand episodes he has never done any thing like that.
10 minutes into this podcast I ordered one of this guy’s books.
Now 30 minutes in, I’m kinda terrified whats gonna show up.
The best thing about his writing is his actual writing style. He just keeps you engaged. Great ideas too, of course, but I honestly think he could write about anything and his writing style itself would make it interesting and readable.
@@mrbrightside5278 indeed!
What book did you order and did you enjoy it? I love all his books. Haunted and invisible monsters are my two favorite. I'm actually reading Damned right now.
@Candice Hancock what book did you get? They're all so good, but I have to know.
😂
"Just because someone's older doesn't mean they learned anything."
So damn true.
The old adage, "with age comes wisdom" is total bullshit. I would say, with experience comes wisdom.
An old idiot knows better what he doesn't know then some young idiot who think's he know everything.
Kêyboarding is nαt writing∴
@@andymatejka more like with thought and self reflection comes wisdom
andymatejka “correlation is not causation”
This is just a fascinating person
the most fascinating single-serving podcast i've listened to.
I am watching this at 8am in the morning on a solid night of doing cocaine. I have no words.
He sure is
@@MrBullet45100 Clever.
Chuck is an impressive listener .The way he contributes and adds to the conversation is masterful; unraveling different tangents of the topic. And he lives in Portland !
Čhuck “Colombia Gordže” Palahńiuk
Vancouver, WA actually.. but close enuff
Liked for semicolon use and truth.
I love when Joe has free thinkers on. Thank you for having Chuck.
Free thinker? Because he writes little "transgressional" stories?
book sales got stagnant maybe?
@@topherming6565 People label rhetoric repeaters like Candace Owen's a "free thinker", but Chuck is here talking about his personal experience with writing and how to make and embrace original ideas and concepts. I would call him a free thinker.
You might call Candace Owens a freethinker in the sense that she isn't conforming to the groupthink of her race. Otherwise she is a conservative thinker, conforming to conservative thought.
Chuck is just like millions of guys that reject social norms and mores. That may one definition of freethinker. But he's a stereotype in modern writing. A product of the postmodern ivory tower university.
But some people think the Marquis de Sade and Henry Miller are just great. I don't see anything there.
@@topherming6565 I don't like people thinking black people are trapped in group think. I assume the people that say things like that don't know any black people personally.
Chuck thoroughly enjoys making people uncomfortable. He started the interview contradicting and correcting Joe, and that was by design. It worked. Joe seemed a little unnerved by his energy and quiet intensity, his speech patterns, the way he constantly threw Joe for a loop with his views.
43:47 Chuck: "I'm trying to help people master the stories of themselves they cannot accept otherwise.... Joe: I have a toilet that shoots water up your ass
😂😂😂
Chuck: yeah I'm stealing that one
This is no doubt, the best guest on JRE ever.
I love the awkward moment when chuck is referring to his beta audience (as in beta testing)
And Joe starts talking about Beta and Alpha people, completely misunderstanding what he meant.
..or it could be a pun of Joe's that flew overhead ?
I caught that haha
Nope, that isn't what Chuck meant... He meant his beta as in his beta testers. The folks that he is testing his material on. Joe was high and is so used to taking about alphas and betas in regards to personalities that he didn't consider the other meaning for the word.
tonycatman, no, it was not a pun. It's just Joe is a bit slow AND used to be that childish to incoporate "alpha" and "beta" with that connotation in his everyday vocabulary.
I disagree. I think beta signifies a lack of assertiveness relative to alpha. We all know men who can be classified as beta and men who can be classified as alpha.
I do not see Chuck as a degraded monster, I never did. His works are probably among the few most honest pieces of literature thats available in our lifetime. The eyes are all on The United Safe-spaces of America right now. People are not people anymore, everyday we go closer to a future satire similar to Demolition Man where the horrible shit thats supposed to help us learn and adapt is put away and replaced with too many "safe" ideas and rules.
I respect Chuck very much for his audacity and tenacity to fuck peoples expectations and unexpectedly snare readers into Taboos that they would never put themselves in.
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Agreed, I feel that he's sort of 'above' the mindset of consumer culture, and trying to steer humanity in the direction of appreciating honesty and social reward in it. Enlightenment plays a HUGE role in many of his books. For example; the nightmare box in Haunted. And there's a lot of parallels with spiral dynamics in fight club. But, his very (almost sociopathic demeanor) is only because, he understands that the world is equally fucked up as well as good. The world just IS, how can we progress as a society if we DONT start being more open and build our social evolution.
MarlaMagdalena btw reading your last comment reminded me of reading 'Pygmy', lol.
This guy Is my type of guy. Dark and comic. We need more people like this. The world is getting soft.
AMEN!!
Oof the edge
Like Hamlet
Go to Portland
I wanted to know more authors like him.
I've been enjoying, looking forward to, and talking about Joe Rogans podcast for quite a long time. As much as I Iove him talking with comics, and some of the world's most forward thinkers, ......this up to date has been my most enjoyed episode. I know Joe or any of his ppl will not see this comment, or care about my opinion,but God damn, this was a fucking grand slam. This is the closest thing to Joe talking to Hemmingway or Hunter S Thompson. This was thoroughly enjoyable. Keep pushing the envelope Joe, you have Lightning in a bottle.
Chuck Palahniuk is an amazing writer and person
Joe is a great interviewer, super hard to get people like chuck to open up and not control the interview with bullshit.
@@shanegoguen1581 Chuck is a very open and friendly person. You should see him at his book events. He is amazing with fans. Joe seemed almost scared by him, especially when Chuck left to use the restroom. I don't see what is so weird or scary about Chuck. He is a fascinating, incitful, and thought provoking person. I think he writes about a lot of things people think about but are too timid to speak out loud. Hopefully Joe has him back on one day. I love to listen to Chuck converse.
I love that Joe let's the person his interviewing talk and he listens to them. He let's them be themselves. I'm so fucking impressed.
If you kan be hejted by 100 peopøle æt Bαrnez & Nowbøle in Uńion Skware, you kan be hejted by your modher∵
You have to watch this episode twice, just like Fight Club, Chuck is a genius.
nigga i watched fight club like 20 times
Top Lobster on demand only let me have it for 24 hours.
So I could only fit it in a dozen times
You realise Joe Rogan doesn't exist, there is only Jamie, and his creation of a psychological ideal; that's why we never see or hear Jamie...He created Rogan.
@@falcodarkzz Jamie's actually god.
I was skeptical but this is actually true.
Chuck Palahniuk is a living library of WTF. One after another. Great interview.
You dont write fight club with a boring ass life
I think people who have had serious trauma in their life can relate and understand him better in a way
"We started off poorly"
3 minutes in
"People got away with murder cause they were on Ambien"
okay, I'm hooked
This is the first time I’ve cried during a JRE podcast. When he talked about the relief when his mom was dying. This was a dark podcast in a good way. Thanks Joe
Wtf r u serious. That sounds like something I need right now. I was contemplating changing “the channel” so to speak. Thank u for your comment.
Was a huge part of choke that wasn't fictional in retrospect.
Crying what a loser
I read your comment at the beginning of the show and came back (to find it) to tell you i cried, too!! lol
I cried when Joe had Alex on because it was too beautiful
Watch this episode *TWICE*.
I promise it's even better the *SECOND* time.
Why do you say that?
Someone Else - It's like watching a good movie.. there is always something you missed the first go around.
It's about the subtle nuances.
like fightclub
*BRUCE WILLIS IS DEAD*
Bone chilling
This is one of those "catch you off guard good" ones.
Its cuttingly intense. I literally was cringing and tensing my body at how descriptively disturbing and "wild west" this guys topics are.
If this caught you off guard you haven't been paying attention for at least a decade
It certainly caught Joe off guard
You should read his books. You have no idea what your mind is going to be capable of imagining after Choke, Survivor and Fight Club.
Dhe châracters in Pâlahniuk's storiez oftøn brejk intu philosôphical asîdes (ejdher by dhe nârrator tu dhe reader, or spowken tu dhe nârrator thru dîalogue), ôffering nûmerous αdd thêories ænd opiniøns, oftøn misanthrαpic or dαrkly absœrdist in nature, αn complêx issuez sʌch æs dεath, morâlity, chîldhood, pârenthood, sexuâlity, ænd æ dêity∴
@@seebee7711 not everyone exposes themselves to the darker aspects of life. The majority don't want to, sorta like sweeping the dust under the rug in terms of the psychological muck that goes around the world. But exposing yourself to it is more beneficial than it is negative. It puts your nervous system into shock and eventually you won't get phased by these incidents. It makes us mature and challenges us to be more responsible because we know that things could be way worse than they really are. I recall Terence McKenna saying in a lecture that if you show your children violence on television, let it be real, not special effects. For it shocks us into seeing the truth of the objective reality. We make these things conscious so that we don't unconscious manifest them in our waking lives. I advocate looking into the dark to people who have the guts to do it.
"Ambien much lately?" lol Joe got burned
What an intense and fiercely clever guy. Loved hearing about his writing process!
As a wanna-be writer for a very long time (which just means I'm not one), his commentary on pen and paper vs. typing is spot-on. I love it.
13:30 Joe follows up Chuck's anecdote about competing anecdotes with an anecdote about how comedy has similar competition in anecdotes.
It's human nature mahn
Haha good observation
It's a gang of retarded people that got lucky..
Chuck Jedi mind tricked him..... hence... it worked.
14:51 bird story
40:05 brownie story
55:07 autopsy story
bird story lol more like fallus story
59:09 Sarah Jessica Parker joke
He looks like Steve Carell's badass older brother.
Are Chuck “Sêcondary Fadher” Pâlahniuk and Steve “Fôxcatcher” Carrêll dhe same person??
@@DimWeasel What are you doing?
He always reminded me of Jack Kerouac.
@@easyskankingdude Yeah man me too
You ever think about having Jamie on the podcast lol
im pretty sure Jamie was a guest on an earlier episode.... search for guest name Young Jamie
When Joe talks less and isn't vaguely dismissive of his guests are always the best podcasts.
well i think it's the fact that he can get away with it, some guests are just not as perceptive, either that or joe rogan doesn't highly respect them mostly because some guests are living in some type of bubble and joe doesn't really like that from what I seen, but joe doesn't do anything differently than any other person on the streets or in a fuckin mansion
This was one of those hidden gem podcasts. I love how open Chuck is to discussing the most gruesome stories to reveal the darkness of humanity.
This man is sitting on his chair backwards
didnt even notice haha!
that has completely changed how i'm listening to this podcast
No man. You're sitting in your chair backwards. #deep
He’s Slatering his chair
He is trying to confront the viewer lol
This is my favorite podcast ever, easily, without a doubt.
Any guy that writes a book like Fight Club that leads to a movie like Fight Club, you can count that I will hang on every word this man says. Thank's Chuck, you changed my life.
WTF SF you should read Choke.
Yes, Choke is better
Cindy O he had me at going to sexaholics anonymous meetings to get laid.... And the ending! Damn good book, movie as well, but doesn't do it justice
Kingsley Zissou I agree, the movie is not as good...it doesn't really capture the inner workings of Victor.
I agree. I read Choke and was amazed at that book as well as Survivor, however the movie is pretty stinky bad. Ok not that bad, but yes doesn't do it justice.
I read his books while in Iraq. Those books got me through some long boring nights of over watch
Less fighters, more authors.
Neil M I’m so fucking tired of Brendan Schaub
Has Stephen King bee on the show?
more of all of them
I agree, but he's a comedian and fight commentator, so we mostly get comedians and fighters.
Neil M THANK YOU
Joe's face during the abortion story is one of the best quick cuts ever.
seriously, i cracked the hell up at it.
Soooooo good XD
Wow, had no idea Chuck was gay. Nice to see more gays who don't treat it as their identity and just as a casual fact.
He reminds me a lot of Douglas Coupland.
This was how most gays were back before the snowflakes were born
@@jamesordwayultralightpilot wdym "before"? It's still the same it's just that a vocal few project 10x more than the silent majority
The problem with acting like this is some sort of rare or anomalous thing is for all anyone knows, the vast, overwhelming majority of gay men could be just like this, but since they aren't inclined to make an issue of it, you'll never know.
Many gay men are effeminate and many are not. That isn't "treating it as their identity". *If* that's what you were implying.
There's also many straight men who are effeminate too, and the characteristics that come with that. But due to social gender expectations on both sides, a lot of people regardless of their sexual attraction and their sex, suppress these characteristics, to fit in better with current society. But not all of them of course, and that is starting to go more and more out the window, as people start to give less of a shit about whether someone is gay or not, and how effeminate they may or may not be (and that's also happening with straight men, as gay men become more accepted. Because there's then less social fear there for everyone).
As far as like, gay parades and extravagance... that's just having fun and being loud and proud, of something that has been shunned for so long. Also recognise that it's a different usage of "pride" being used there, from the usual one.
Pretty much none of them are quite like that in their daily lives.
Some are focus heavily on gay issues because that's what they're passionate about.
ALSO, there are indeed a lot of gay people who when they first come out, can almost make it their whole identity. But they simmer down with time.
We see that with heaps of people who are new to something. They get into it and want to explore it for the first time, especially if they have been repressing it for so long.
I could go into the drag queen and transgender topics, but this is plenty long.
This is one of the slowest and calmest episodes of the JRE I've heard. Brilliant
I didn't know until today that I've been waiting for this podcast for years.
Brock Jarrett same
"Burning Man was fun and that's why there have been 30 of them. Occupy wasn't fun, and that's why there was only 1."
Chuck “I Hate Dhat Model” P
Definitely the best podcast to date. Chuck has been one of my favorite writers since I read Survivor. I've found myself drawn to his books as they featured seemingly normal people submerged into this darkness of human nature. It's was relatable in a creepy way I guess as I've always found myself fascinated by the grotesque and wanting to write about it. I've been in a blank spot for several years. Hearing him talk about his process and where he gets his ideas not only provided insight but also further inspiration to get off my ass and start working on my writing again. Thanks Chuck!
Chuck “Pen-To-Paper” Pâlahniuk
"That's not going to make Oprah Winfrey happy"
I think I speak for everyone when I say, fuck Oprah Winfrey.
Fuck that bitch. Greetings from Greece!!! I hate my job!!!
So happy I’m not the only one that screamed “Fuck Oprah Winfrey” in their head when they heard that. 😊
We should all live so as to make Oprah Winfrey happy, or at least so that we deserve to make Oprah Winfrey happy
Oprah is polishing brass on the Titanic. It's all going down.
Chuck Palahniuk maybe one of the best guests ever on JRE. .brilliant podcast!
What are some other top ones, in your opinion?
Top five podcast for me up there with Grahmn Hancock, Jordan Peterson, Dan Carlin, Neil Degrasse Tyson.
Honorable mentions(non comedians):
Sam Harris, Chris Ryan, JA West, Henry Rollins, Dan Pena, Steve Rinella...and so many more i cant remember.
That heating pad story was some powerful shit
Seriously. Gave me goosebumps.
when is the story in the video??
Minute mark please?
About 00:39:40
Dexter lul That was Joe doing Sam Kinison material to Chuck.
I want to listen to Chuck and Jordan Peterson have a conversation
I didn't know it until now but i need to see it now.
I need this too.
Wrealization Reality about whut?
Sounds good, doesn't work. Don't get me wrong, I love hearing Jordan Peterson talk, but he's such a bad listener, or at least that's what it seems in he's youtube videos. While on the other hand Chuck seems so nice, like he actually listens to you, he doesn't just try to teach you something all the time, which is great in a way, but also very patronizing
lol he's a psychologist. He can listen - that's a job requirement.
He's just invited to talk
When Chuck labels himself a bad man. I believed him. There's no real use qualifying a person's opinion. He has his reasons. I believe Joe was spooked by him he tried to sooth himself by being the contrarian.
I never in my life thought I get to see this. I saw the notification for this too late, so I missed the first hour. I decide to skip til I could watch it all at once. This is a dream come true. Honestly! My favorite interviewer/podcaster sitting down with not only my favorite author, bit who I personally believe to be the most prolific writer of my generation. Fight Club was huge and popular. But many of his other books to me were better. Haunted. Survivor, Snuff. Rant, Invisible Monsters. Lullaby. Choke. Damned. And Stranger Fiction. All of them amazing amazing reads. I've read them all multiple times. Chuck, if you read this.. please know that you helped develop me as a story teller and as a dark comedian. My life would not be the same if I had not been. Introduced to your written work. I must thank you 1,000 times for what you've contributed to the world of literally for so long
Literature*
Joseph Loiselle I've only read Haunted & Fight Club. Which book of his would you recommend the most for me to read next? I LOVED Haunted so much. I usually prefer fiction/ horror
You can drag the video's progress bar back and watch from the beginning even while it is still streaming live. Just thought I'd share that since I recently realized that myself. This was also one of my favorite JRE podcasts in quite a while, even though I'm completely unfamiliar with Chuck Palahniuk's works (other than the movie version of Fight Club).
I feel the same way. Smut and haunted are some of my favorites.
The ending of Survivor still keeps me up at night
Amazing conversation. Can't wait to listen to it again.
Copulaxoxi Ranbooi zzzzz boring 😴
Fun fact: I stopped reading Palahnuik's books after reading Lullaby. The imagery was so sharp and hypnotic that my mind was consumed by the subject matter. I lost the ability to sleep soundly during the time spent reading that book. I had to retire that novel. Its such a mark of an incredible artist to infect a mind with words written on paper. This was over 10 years ago, I dont read much anymore. But I am a huge, huge fan of Chuck Palahniuk, I am a transgressional character but much more subdued and much less interesting than any story he's ever written. I want more of this Joe.
Chuck “Bædge Ov Hαnor” Pâlahniuk
I thought I was a die-hard fan of Fight Club until I started reading the book - way darker and far more disturbing and violent than the movie...I didn't finish it.
Culling songs. I've thought that way at times about some of the bleak, heroin-chic music that was making the rounds a couple of decades ago
I am feeling the same with Adjustment Day.
I also stopped reading his novels after Lullaby, but it was because his writing was very juvenile and I found far better authors.
I took an Ambien once. Woke up with kitchen knives in my bed and there was blood everywhere. I was covered head to toe in cuts. I guess I just started slicing my body up and fell asleep with the knives. I'll never take any sleeping medication again.
@ yeah, I wouldn't recommend Ambien. I'd say stick to melatonin or a glass of alcohol. I woke up and thought I killed someone.
Pics or it didn’t happen
Truth_is_the _new_hate bro but how bad was it? Like did you have to go to the hospital? Where did you cut? Whuuuu?
@Jonata If you lock the door, you know the key
Ok, Rogan, this one was a winner.
The way chuck is sitting on the chair backwards indicates you're in for a great podcast.
I started reading seriously because of that man. Around the age of 17 I was really weird and violent and after seeing fight club, we started our own fight club and I was the only dude willing to fight every time, every guy. Not because I was brave but because I was stupid. Like in fight club we started breaking stuff in the city and doing reckless things. Things turned bad with those friends eventually and I lost them all, and at the same time I had no internet for a while, so I was forced to go to the public library to have access to internet. One day as I was waiting for my turn I was browsing through some books and I stumbled upon a book titled ''Survivor'' from a dude with a weird name: Chuck Palahniuk. A week earlier I had heard an interview with a comic (ironically) in which he was asked what he was reading at the time, and it was that book. I remember him saying ''He's the guy who wrote Fight Club''; I had never read a book in my life but I immediately felt a strong need to read that one. Damn it was hard for a first read, especially for a dummy like me at the time. But it lit a fire in me and I changed entirely from that day. Reading was no longer boring, and reading was learning; so learning was no longer boring too. Eventually I ended up reading almost all the classics, books on astrophysics (ironically again), epistemology, history of science, philosophy... So I'm a dude who really can say that Fight Club changed my life and made me a man. This podcast is such a gem; infinite thanks Joe!
Now you've opened up a whole world of knowledge to yourself. There is nothing out there that you can not figure out. Now that you've stoked the fire of curiosity, it can burn through anything, you simply need to feed it the right fuel. Keep feeding that fire, keep stoking it and learning, and constantly surrounding yourself with new thoughts, new knowledge, revising old thoughts, revising old knowledge, and seek out as many smart people as you can.
Smart people are often very picky with the people they surround themselves with, because it's a lot of effort trying to relate to uninspired, non-curious people. It can be discompassionate, but they will find the inspiration that sets their fire eventually, the same way you did. The most beautiful thing I have learned about knowledge is that it teaches you how to be a great man. I learned through reading and through suffering that a leader is someone who not only puts in as much as everyone else, but thinks about how best to achieve the ultimate outcome, especially by taking care of their team, and stoking loyalty by giving it. I have saved a lot of coworkers' asses from the fire by busting my own ass to make them look good, and they remembered, and they match my effort every time. If I fail them, that's the beginning of the end. I learned by reading and fighting, that conflict is everywhere, and the most satisfying thing in the world is identifying challenges, learning about them, collecting data, planning strategies, and attacking with everything you got once the plans are laid. The most graceful thing in any man's life is realizing what goals he has, and then committing a solid portion of his life to achieving them, and then when he achieves them, he has become a great man.
People who are afraid and uninspired are small. Inconsequential and insignificant, a man whose fear rules his heart and mind is a man who is a prisoner of his own fear. No matter how much you suffer, you're getting something out of it. Even if it's nothing tangible, it will make a good story.
Exponential Domino ironically it sounds like a guy whose just wrote that to make a case for how chuck talks about people who open up with their own stories after they read his work....
i honestly consider survivor one of the best books ever written. everything after about rant onwards is pretty mediocre but his first 4 or 5 are great works, especially survivor
Fight club made my dick grow 15 inches
I want to be your friend.
I've never read any of Chuck's books but this interview definitely inspired me to pick up a new creative project and maybe even pick up my writing again.
I know it has already been said but JR should have more writers and filmmakers. David Lynch would be a mind blowing interview, if he would ever agree to do it!
I think if we can openly talk about such dark or off the table stuff like this and not be afraid to empathize then we would grow so much as a society.
This is usually a very upbeat show. All it takes is the addition of Chuck Palahniuk and shit gets dark FAST.
"Before my father was murdered, he kept asking me to introduce him to wynona ryder, then when I found out he was killed by white supremacists in the mountains of Idaho one of the first things to cross my mind was, well, I'm off the hook with that wynona ryder thing"
Lol
That’s a funny story. Sad story.
Laughing through the tears.
Joe didn't say wait explain murder your father?
BRUH LMFAO
Excellent podcast! The first rule of Podcast Club is you don't talk about Alex Jones. The second rule is you don't talk about Alex Jones. The third rule is don't sit with the chair backwards the entire time.The fourth rule is Jamie knows more than you about physics, unless you're the next guest.
DankedGaming ha!
um, i wanna talk about Alex Jones. You triggered?
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Get Jo Po on as the next guest.
I thought joe hates fight club
This is one of the best podcasts you’ve had Joe. Chuck is the best! Have him back on for sure!
what an incredible guest. this podcast had me locked in throughout the whole thing wanting more when it ended. you could have chuck back on tomorrow and i feel i'd listen to the whole thing without problems. one of the best jre episodes ever in my opinion.
"Wanna see me crucify myself" like Joe's going to say no lmao
Chuck is so down to earth and humble it almost seems manufactured... He's almost *too* relatable
That's his mask to lull you in and get you to tell your dark stories that he can use
That is his front to get you to become a part of PROJECT CHAOS
You've got trust issues my friend
Neil Gaiman would be an excellent guest!
This .
YES!!!!
Alan Moore
“tu apprentise yoursêlf tu sômebody dhat creâtes dhe thing dhat you dgream ov creating”
Couldnt agree more! Joe would struggle to keep up I imagine! (Love u Joe)
“And that’s why we have Sarah Jessica Parker”
I even like the woman and that was so funny I actually cackled.
I know right. It has to be an everyday horse, a horse next door, not some special Kentucky Derby racer.
I thought damn that is so true. 🤣🤣🤣
I was dying...so funny.
fucking hilarious
This is probably one of my favorite interviews you've ever done joe, thank you for getting such an awesome guest like chuck!
Palahniuk is great, he's like a grown up, classic goth.
shut up dad
Classic goth as in the 10th century?
Marcus Grant he sacked Rome
@@markhaus okay, this is epic
my mrs is getting a heating pad for christmas
Are you going to beat her with it?
Catcher Rye mike sure she rides it properly ... ;-/
Might I recommend a Hitachi magic wand instead?
It starts off slow, but Palahniuk gave some really insightful gems. I enjoyed the part about apprenticeship and the need for men to have a second father.
I agree. Will you be my new dad?
For that to happen, they first need their biological father back in the home.
Slow? More like so deep it will drown you. First 30 or so min: Grandpa, the baby bird, beat with a heating pad so bad that changes a lifetime? Yeah real slow... jaw dropping from the rip
Joe is the second father mentor type to his listeners.
@@jaydamalley3398 you can have a biological father in the home, but if the kid has an interest in music and the parents aren't musicians, the kid needs that second father that can mentor them in their passion.
I still remember December 1999. The lowest moment of realization. I was falling apart. Nothing in my life had ever been OK. Everything was awry. Everything had always been awry. And I just stepped into that movie theater and the first scenes cut my breath, not the whole movie, the first 5 minutes of it. I was reborn to the awry life I had always had. But from that moment on, I embraced it more. I felt it was, painfully and shitty, but a life. And started enjoying it. Thank you Chuck.
AWESOME interview! Loved this conversation.
Agreed bro.
This interview made me feel somewhat uneasy and not necessarily cause of the stories he was telling, it's cause you could tell he had even darker and more disturbing stories to tell, but was holding back and trying to be measured with what he revealed.
Dark and disturbing is Chuck's normal, you're observing the obvious with this writer.
Word, i wonder what his public persona would look like if this was more like the "beat" era; he's likely holding onto some gnarly experiences. Hopefully not too brutal. Or maybe like most shit, the hype is all imagination on behalf of listener/reader.
I believe you purposefully put your life in danger, and seek the meaning of your existence by battling to preserve it.
Like that time Griffith brought a behelit to an eclipse
Just imAgine the shit child sex unit officer bave to tell or dictators or just any deviant. From 200 years ago
This is one of the best episodes ever
Please have Neil Gaiman on!! That would amazing :)
Chuck is so intense! His writing is like a flashlight that projects shadows.
What a great metaphor. Sorry but I might need to steal that
#flashdark
Casting out despair to swallow up hope like a heavy blanket.
Howard Roark fleshlight*
R u writer? Cuz u should be
Chuck Palahniuk went full Chuck Palahniuk with an autopsy anecdote and Joe Rogan casually slipped into a Kinison necrophilia joke to establish a mutual distaste for censorship. 🙌
Atheist Bear how do you know if bears don’t worship gods
Admittedly Koalas go a little heavy on the pamphlets.
Atheist Bear i don’t subscribe to koala pamphlets sir and or ma’am, but please humor me with more animal kingdom propaganda
Rogan censors people he doesn't share an opinion with. He becomes argumentative condescending and louder than that person.
Yep
Palahniuk is 56 years old. WOW.
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@@ADT2695 Yes.
This dude is awesome! It makes me so relaxed to listen to him, please invite him again!
I'm really convinced Joe Rogan is my generation's, Larry King. He just seems to be able to "hang" with so many diverse and intellectual people, without judgment, it's really inspiring. Joe's really good. A completely shitty actor, decent stand-up comedian, a good TV host (Fear Factor) a great color man (UFC) and tremendous interviewer.
In not sure about the no judgement part.
I think he's starting to grow into it and judge a lot less, though.
Maron is closer to Larry King imo. Joe is more like a traditional radio interview. Maron really gets under people's skin.
I don't think Joe is trying to get under people's skin. The only time I thought he was wrong was when he called out schaub on his career. In fairness he did it to his face which was better than behind his back, but that was a conversation that should have happened offline.... although, maybe he wouldn't have retired if it was offline, I don't know
There's definitely judgement. He threw his buddy, Alex Jones, under the bus. And even though I understand why someone would dislike Alex Jones,Joe did him dirty.
That bird/penis allegory was intense...
You can tell this was difficult for joe. Hes grasping for questions. But that's a good thing. Scrap the "fight" episodes and replace them with writers.
Yeah after hearing him speak about it and how he feels about it makes me now understand the parts in damned which i thought where just really weird.
W because life isn’t always positive. And, for some writers, their happy ending is writing their tragedy and turning it into something that can disturb and even provoke thought. These dark tales need to exist. For the balance of things to continue . He was calling it magnificent in the way she was so bare, and it was the best thing she probably ever wrote because it was safe with her, and she decided to be unsafe. That’s a true writer/artist.
With all big films being blockbusters and the big books needing to adhere to company policy, I think there is a huge thirst in people to explore the truly outrageous as part of their existence. We all know that existence is pain and that life begets death. This with the idea that he killed that little girl when he abused her and now she goes around killing things in turn... It just works on every level I can wrap my little brain around. We are missing out on such great art whenever we close our minds out of fear. At least in writing you have to be fearless. Him being kicked out of a circle for writing the deflating sex-doll story (probably would work better as a comedy bit) is just pathetic. If your story requires "good old super violence", you should be able to go there and if it reuires you to identify with the most pathetic of people you should go there. If you limit your empathy, you limit your understanding of the human condition and ultimately the entire human world.
@@Dominian1 nailed it bruh
@Gregory Frowendown I think,you should look up allegory.
Chuck can sure tell a story.
thats what i was thinking lol....very captivating
hail yeah
I wonder how many are true
It's almost painful hearing Joe tell a story just after Chuck. He has the perfect pace.
There's a good reason he's such a sucsessful writer...
Just finished reading Fight Club, then watched this whole podcast, and I still don't feel like I fully appreciate the depth of his work