This is one of the cases where modernization is truly necessary. I'm glad you were able to record this elevator in its original state before it was updated!
Actually though I disagree. This elevator is only "dangerous" because of some safety components such as the inside door and interlocks being absent but that's only because they intentionally removed it to get ready to modernize this elevator. Originally this elevator had all those safety features in place and ran better than many modern ones
DieselDucy As stupid as this sounds, it might be a good idea to also post that description in the comment section. If people are lazy to read the description, they would be able to see the request before commenting. Another thing you can do is put an annotation somewhere with that request. It really shouldn’t come to this because if people have time to view a video they can read the short description below.
The unfortunate reality is that some people on the autism spectrum won't exactly know what or why you request even if they do read it briefly. For many autistic people, it's just extremely tempting to want to name the location and they have a hard time understanding why a building owner wouldn't want their location being known
It seems that the Vintage Elevator is in modernization, since the Outer Door Mechanism of every floor is new & the main call station (0:05) have a floor indicator reserved for the second elevator.
Do the Landing doors have electrical contacts . How can someone keep that basement door open exposing the lift shaft. If they do have an electrical contract, someone has shorted them out in the controller, which is probably an old slat back board type with exposed carbon contacts. I would have thought Safety regulations in the states where very stringent.
I think I know where this one is, but dont worry i won't say. ;) AMAZING Elevator, but sucks they removed the gate and it isn't that safe anymore. I know you said it probably was being modded/replaced, but if there is any chance at all that this one is still here (as Suggested by Elevating Western PA's comments about TJ filming here more recently) hopefully they can just put new doors in but otherwise keep it as is.
No inner gate- you can get your leg stuck in the shaft No door at basement- someone can get crushed if the elevator is going down to basement, and someone can fall in the pit No interlocks- Someone can open the door and jump down the shaft Also, is this in the United States or is it in a different country?
I wonder what caused the elevator to be in this condition. Although it is a beautiful, manually controlled elevator, it definitely needs to be repaired or replaced.
It was because they intentionally removed some of the safety components for modernization. Has nothing to do with neglect. Modernization actually wasn't necessary before they did that. I saw this elevator in the condition it was in before this video years ago and it ran way better than most modern elevators
Also exposed wiring hanging outside of junction boxes(covers missing) on the underside of the cab, possibly frayed wiring as well. These conductors are for the traveling cables up and down direction and interior lighting. Noticed other electrical hazards pertaining to the sump pump.
Please take away a piece of wood near the elevator in the basement. Looks like it is there forever... I am afraid that it can get into the shaft with its end and then break the machine or hit somebody...
Wow that's incredibly dangerous. The owners need to either properly repair and upgrade that elevator or remove it. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these days someone dies in it because of the owners trying to take the easy way out and remove the door and the call system. I hope someone sensible reports it to the codes enforcement so nobody gets hurt.
DieselDucy you should check out the safety systems in the doors on every floor especially the basement to see if the locks are able to keep people from opening it without the shaft access key, I bet they don't work right 🤔😁.
Beno would probably love to ride this one but this elevator is severly compromised in it’s safety cirtcuit. I’ll bet it’s not beeing inspected for a long time. I would assume the owner is doing something against the code. I can’t believe that the local authorities would allow it to be in use in this condition. A building inspector or fire safety inspector better not see it....... makes one wonder if the building is safe in event of a fire.
Jonathan The Railfan Not only does it need an inner door for this elevator, it also needs a new safety mechanism. Anyone can injure themselves if they happen to open the hoistway doors while the elevator is moving.
No, human-beings who ride it don't take responsibility and conduct themselves safely. They want the dang elevator to do all their being safe for them. Funny how they want musicians to be playing music and singers to not need auto-tune but they want the elevator to "auto-tune" their safety.
DieselDucy oh ok yeah I just read your video description. Did you do this video in 2015 if so then they probably did remove it and I hope so. You should go back again one day and see if they replaced it. Also I don't know if you saw my comment on your live stream awhile ago but my comment was about my city has a bunch of old Otis elevators especially one in our Amtrak station here, but you would have to get permission to record cause our businesses don't like video recording.
That elevator is only as unsafe as it's riders. While an elevator in such a state would not be allowed to be in service, it's not unsafe in the way of a cable breaking and it dropping or it starting up on it's own with a door open. Elevators without inner and outer doors did exist and it was up to the people to practice being safe. Nowadays we expect the elevator to do all our being safe for us. The funny thing about this, is how people complain about music being played by machines, A.I. and singers using auto-tune to sing on key vs practicing and developing their own talent but they want machines to do all the being safe for them vs they conducting themselves safely. Such is why the Paternoster gets such an undeserved bad rap and is not allowed in the USA.
This is one of the cases where modernization is truly necessary. I'm glad you were able to record this elevator in its original state before it was updated!
Actually though I disagree. This elevator is only "dangerous" because of some safety components such as the inside door and interlocks being absent but that's only because they intentionally removed it to get ready to modernize this elevator. Originally this elevator had all those safety features in place and ran better than many modern ones
THE LEVELING SKILL AT 6 IS AMAZING
This is a beautiful elevator. Very unique. Glad you got to document it for RUclips.
I had to set up comment approval. It is a shame people can't honor a simple request. I already had to remove a comment.
DieselDucy As stupid as this sounds, it might be a good idea to also post that description in the comment section. If people are lazy to read the description, they would be able to see the request before commenting.
Another thing you can do is put an annotation somewhere with that request.
It really shouldn’t come to this because if people have time to view a video they can read the short description below.
I'm so sorry to hear!!! Why can't people just listen or read the description??
Theodore Pfeffer annotations were removed sadly.
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The unfortunate reality is that some people on the autism spectrum won't exactly know what or why you request even if they do read it briefly. For many autistic people, it's just extremely tempting to want to name the location and they have a hard time understanding why a building owner wouldn't want their location being known
It's sad to see such a beautiful elevator getting ruined... And to make the matters worse, it's now a literal death trap.
Awesome lift video Andrew
You got to see behind the scenes with the elevator shaft. This is neat.
It seems that the Vintage Elevator is in modernization, since the Outer Door Mechanism of every floor is new & the main call station (0:05) have a floor indicator reserved for the second elevator.
Someone said they rode this recently and it was still original and in working condition.
EPIC Elevator y'all!
I love all your videos
What were all those beeping noises throughout the video?
I remember this building.
This is very unusual. Why is there no safety circuit? Do the doors not even lock?
With a bungee cord lol lol
This was not originally like this. They made it like this at least at the time of this video.
Beautiful though!
Nice!
when I saw the outside I'm oh that's new ish looking u open the door I'm oh I was not expecting that great catch and nice elevator
Good leveling
Nice lift it was on your channel once already right?
Do the Landing doors have electrical contacts . How can someone keep that basement door open exposing the lift shaft. If they do have an electrical contract, someone has shorted them out in the controller, which is probably an old slat back board type with exposed carbon contacts. I would have thought Safety regulations in the states where very stringent.
Top shaft safety smokedetector had the dust cover
Do both elevators serve the basement or just that one?
I think I know where this one is, but dont worry i won't say. ;) AMAZING Elevator, but sucks they removed the gate and it isn't that safe anymore. I know you said it probably was being modded/replaced, but if there is any chance at all that this one is still here (as Suggested by Elevating Western PA's comments about TJ filming here more recently) hopefully they can just put new doors in but otherwise keep it as is.
It's the Robert E Lee building
No inner gate- you can get your leg stuck in the shaft
No door at basement- someone can get crushed if the elevator is going down to basement, and someone can fall in the pit
No interlocks- Someone can open the door and jump down the shaft
Also, is this in the United States or is it in a different country?
Nice
why do they hold the basement door open?
I saw a what maybe a Notifier FSP-851 or FST-851. But I think it is a Notifier because I thought it saw it poll green.
Awesome!
It will be public soon.
I wonder what caused the elevator to be in this condition. Although it is a beautiful, manually controlled elevator, it definitely needs to be repaired or replaced.
This was only temporary.
MTA Explorer
They are modernising it
It was because they intentionally removed some of the safety components for modernization. Has nothing to do with neglect. Modernization actually wasn't necessary before they did that. I saw this elevator in the condition it was in before this video years ago and it ran way better than most modern elevators
Even if I could I wouldn't feel safe riding it
How can they allow an elevator that's completely able to operate with open doors pass inspection?
it was not running legally but now it is completely modded.
Ah yes, that old discontinued Otis lift, the Otis Guillotine.
thats it im walking everywhere, no more elevators for me
Why?
While dangerous, it's a pretty cool lift ;)
Clinton Township Lifts by MagicalLift256 Agreed!
How is this thing still in commission??? It’s so unsafe! I love the video tho❤️😂
I know it wasn’t modded when TJ was here.
For what reason is it not to be named? Do you think they’ve modded it?
In TJElevatorFan’s more recent video here, the elevator didn’t appear to have been modded.
This is very dangerous especially from the basement.
This appeared to have only been temporary.
Also exposed wiring hanging outside of junction boxes(covers missing) on the underside of the cab, possibly frayed wiring as well. These conductors are for the traveling cables up and down direction and interior lighting. Noticed other electrical hazards pertaining to the sump pump.
The mod is complete. Good news is, they left the old crank in the right elevator.
Awesome!
Are either of you going to film the update?
It was a great elevator. Bummer it has been replaced. But yes it was dangerous
I actually don't think it has, as seen in someone else's video from here more recently.
That elevator is cool with no door inside
It was
Not safe but sad at the same time
this could have been the place for your new intro
It is modded now
Why did they prob the door open in the basement.
i dont know.
Please take away a piece of wood near the elevator in the basement.
Looks like it is there forever... I am afraid that it can get into the shaft with its end and then break the machine or hit somebody...
It's just like that because of the mod, right? (Or has it always been like that?)
yeah, it is being modded.
Yah, I dont think it would pass inspection like that.
So yeah it's a work in progress
@@DieselDucy I hope you got the controller from this Elevator
OMG. Looks a death trap.
Here’s a time when a modernization is necessary.
It used to not be, as seen in an older video. THEY actually CAUSED it to be necessary by putting it into this state while starting to mod. it.
I've always wanted to go on one of these. Do you know of any near DFW?
please be careful when riding that type of elevator.
You look very diffrent in this video
I’ve gotten in shape since then
Jeez no gate
I know it used to.
Wow that's incredibly dangerous. The owners need to either properly repair and upgrade that elevator or remove it. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these days someone dies in it because of the owners trying to take the easy way out and remove the door and the call system. I hope someone sensible reports it to the codes enforcement so nobody gets hurt.
Joseph Bennett yeah it is. So many violations but they do seal off the elevator to the public
DieselDucy you should check out the safety systems in the doors on every floor especially the basement to see if the locks are able to keep people from opening it without the shaft access key, I bet they don't work right 🤔😁.
I don't think this elevator is even there any more. This was taken during the mod.
Beno would probably love to ride this one but this elevator is severly compromised in it’s safety cirtcuit. I’ll bet it’s not beeing inspected for a long time. I would assume the owner is doing something against the code. I can’t believe that the local authorities would allow it to be in use in this condition. A building inspector or fire safety inspector better not see it....... makes one wonder if the building is safe in event of a fire.
It was just temporary.
Why would they do that to the elevator? That’s dangerous
It was just temporary.
First one
They need a inside door for this elevator. It's not 100% safe.
Jonathan The Railfan Not only does it need an inner door for this elevator, it also needs a new safety mechanism. Anyone can injure themselves if they happen to open the hoistway doors while the elevator is moving.
It was only temporary. I know this used to.
Jonathan The Railfan People are such wimps and cowards these days
They intentionally took it out as they were about to modernize it
No, human-beings who ride it don't take responsibility and conduct themselves safely. They want the dang elevator to do all their being safe for them. Funny how they want musicians to be playing music and singers to not need auto-tune but they want the elevator to "auto-tune" their safety.
Andrew I give you a thumbs up for a great video but I give that elevator a big thumbs down because of the dangers it poses to people.
yeah, but as far as I know, this elevator is not even there any more. This video was taken durning the modernization.
DieselDucy oh ok yeah I just read your video description. Did you do this video in 2015 if so then they probably did remove it and I hope so. You should go back again one day and see if they replaced it.
Also I don't know if you saw my comment on your live stream awhile ago but my comment was about my city has a bunch of old Otis elevators especially one in our Amtrak station here, but you would have to get permission to record cause our businesses don't like video recording.
Joseph Bennett
In TJElevatorFan’s more recent video here, the elevator didn’t appear to have been modded.
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That elevator is only as unsafe as it's riders. While an elevator in such a state would not be allowed to be in service, it's not unsafe in the way of a cable breaking and it dropping or it starting up on it's own with a door open. Elevators without inner and outer doors did exist and it was up to the people to practice being safe. Nowadays we expect the elevator to do all our being safe for us. The funny thing about this, is how people complain about music being played by machines, A.I. and singers using auto-tune to sing on key vs practicing and developing their own talent but they want machines to do all the being safe for them vs they conducting themselves safely. Such is why the Paternoster gets such an undeserved bad rap and is not allowed in the USA.
Totally agree!