I get the feeling that Moth is talking quieter and quieter on each video until he releases a video just screaming about the great dying at 200% volume.
@@KRJayster There are a *handful* of of known, confirmed occasions of Orcas opportunistically killing and consuming moose. But they are not actually a typical, regular prey item for them. Marine sloths were much more aquatic than moose and so would have been hunted way more regularly.
@@Player-pj9ktimagine your teacher playing this in class though Sadly from what I know, evolution is banned in a lot of Us schools cus Christians are stuck up their own rears. Yet now Christianity is allowed to be taught in some places: Can't wait for abuse and predators to be reported.
Based on the information available regarding how high the trophic level that Megalodon fed upon was, might it have been that they especially favored other shark species as prey? Being able to determine this would probably be difficult due to lack of evidence.
Very interesting, I would not have considered that Megalodon's trophic signature would be so different to modern sharks. Fascinating to imagine what the foodweb could have looked like to cause that
So someone sees art so good they call it AI. Edit:Guess what?! Found the artist, they are Warpaint on Shutterstock. At least that's what I know. They are a freelance artist. Hope you see this Moth Light For anyone about to say "he used AI art!!" Read the description. I checked and he said to let him know if you drew the art uncredited. Sometimes(50/50) reverse search doesn't tell you the original source. He can't just know every single artist in the world. And look at the detail, Ai, at this time, could never. At this time. And this art was from 2018.
To give credit to the original artist, the artwork as it appears on her website is completely different to how it's used in this video/thumbnail. It's been removed from its original lighting, collaged onto a background in a different style and had some animation added. No wonder it looks out of place, I hope proper permission was sought from Boersma to use her art in this way.
@ComeWhatThey I used reverse search and tried to find credit in the news sites it was used on. Do you have a Twitter account or anything the artist would have so we can let him know?
@ComeWhatThey If you mean the shark eating a seal, that one IS marked with a name. But that's not which one I mean. There is one unnamed due to him unable to find the original artist. Found him
Thanks for another great video. The picture you showed of a megalodon chasing a small seal raises an issue that I often see in movies about the Megalodon - Such big sharks would not waste energy chasing small prey as the would be a net negative return in energy for the shark.
One thing to add is that tropical coastal environments, due to its immense primary productivity and ecological complexity, often support much longer food chains than oceanic waters. A shallow reef can have a primary carbon productivity of up to 5.5 kg per square meter every year. This is absolutely enormous. For comparison, in tropical rainforest that number is "only" 2.2kg. A coral grouper, for instance, can often have a trophic level of 5+, much higher than any killer whale. But like how rainforests do not support large herds of antelopes, because the complexity of these environments, large marine animals today cannot really tap into these resource efficiently. This may not be the case in the Miocene, which in turn gives us some of the biggest macropredators the world has ever seen.
All solo hunting marine predators actually hunt on preys smaller than them. Even transient orcas need large numbers to engage a 18 m whale. Predators killing larger prey items is more a land thing, where 1G and grappling abilities come into play... That does not mean sharks can't kill larger game. White sharks are at least suspected of predation on beaked and false killer whales and megalodon quite surely had the firepower to kill a hypothetical prey as large or larger. But that's a moot point since megalodon and Livyatan were pretty much bigger than anything else in the Miocene oceans. That doesn’t mean that some potential whales back then were fairly large. Balaenopterids in the 15-18 m range are reported from the Miocene of Peru. You also missed that the rib fragment with the healed teeth marks, although no TL estimate was provided in the paper, comes according to the author Stephen Godfrey from a rather large ancestral humpback or rorqual, the accompanying paleoart justly depicts a 4-7 m shark biting the flank of a whale about twice larger. Purdy (1996) reports bite marks on reportedly large sperm whales and balaenopterids bones. Also, IIRC the evolution of gigantic balaenopterids actually occurs after megalodon's extinction ?
Honestly, I think it's reasonable to argue that O. megalodon was also eating other large shark species in addition to Raptorial Physeteroids. Considering how on a clade basis, Macropredatory shark predation on smaller sharks is an even more frequent event than Macropredatory shark predation on marine mammals, with some pretty good evidence from South Africa that Bull Sharks and Makos both feed on other elasmobranchs at a higher frequency than delphinids or pinnipeds. While, on the topic of the Nitrogen paper, I remember in one of the appendices or somewhere else in the paper that they used teeth from sharks that had not reached asymptotic growth, namely in the 8-12m. range.
@niocriste2705 Indeed, and naturally sharks failing to predation don't preserve well as fossils. I guess destroying to get isotopes fro a large and rare meg tooth, often exhibited, is not something curators would be fond of. Isotopes from physeteroids teeth are needed too.
I like your content because of the intrigue of all of life’s unknowns, it’s easily consumable and isn’t pretentious, I think that’s a rare gift in the world of exhausting, almost supernatural assumptions of what came before us style content.
You know, it would be super cool if we found evidence of Livyatan pods working together with singular Megalodon’s to hunt prey like Piscoballena or the like. It’s an odd concept, but I find that concept super damn cool and terrifying for any poor bastard that got in their sights.
Interestingly, raptorial sperm whales (the smaller orca-sized ones, not Livy) had life cycles more akin to that of belugas, suggesting that this was because megalodon was eating enough of them for them to be under heavy predation pressure, which also fits the idea of megalodon eating a lot of other predators.
Bad ass video, but over 20mil years surviving is absolutely crazy. Just think about how big the Megalodon was, then how long it swam the oceans, and how little is left of so much. 20 million years, and all that's left are bite marks on more sturdy bones, a few stray vertebrae, and teeth. Almost scrubbed clean from the world. I don't know what I'm saying, maybe this is more of a feeling I got from thinking about it, but damn. 20+ million years, all over the Earth's oceans, and now they are gone, not sharks, but the Megalodon. Think about all the things that happened as all that time passed, how they would have had to change in that time to better suit their new environments, and catching food that had definitely changed in those millions of years. How did they change? Did they get bigger, or smaller with the years, did they change with habitats and become other sharks in the Megalodon family? (White sharks?) I wouldn't even know where to start, ramblings of a coffee fueled brain. Great video, man!
1. Blue sharks aren’t mackerel sharks They are carcharhiniformes Closer to bull and tiger sharks 2. We have an idea of what it looked like based on relatives, a surprisingly complete spine, rostral bone, and also the teeth but also we have fossils of its ancestor cretalamna that include jaw pieces and full body fossils 3. We know they had a global distribution based on fighting teeth as far north as Norway in waters as cold as 1degree at the time
We actually found an almost complete Megalodon skeleton here in Belgium! I was lucky enough to see it in the Royal Natural Science Institut Museum in Bruxelles last summer! It is used in most size reconstruction.
5:12 did the genus or species live for 20 million years? and what's the maximum amount of time a single species can exist until they are faced with extinction?
Let's not forget that "species" is a man-made and ultimately abritrary term. (Otodus) megalodon is only the latest and biggest species of the chronospecies Otodus, which existed since the Paleocene around 60 million years ago, and its likely ancestor Cretalamna would have swam with Mosasaurs during the late cretaceous.
My assumption here is that the phrasing is not to imply that is a singular species, but that it is simpler easier to refer to it as if it was one without knowing more than its teeth. Of course there had to be some ongoing speciation with what we call the Megalodon, but considering the long distances they can travel and nearly global range, they'd probably remained very closely related.
Idk if you saw the other comment but the one shark with no credit on it is from Warpaint. They found the artist on Shutterstock and the artist makes models I think. The art is from 2018. Idk what people are on about with this increasing use of Ai but I hope they are just too miserable to actually check, and that you didn't use ai art
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I get the feeling that Moth is talking quieter and quieter on each video until he releases a video just screaming about the great dying at 200% volume.
Yes, I will put all my money on this bet right here, thank you.
And this is good. For some of us this is asmr
200% volume is asmr!?!? /s
@@mangogo44kinks are no longer kinks when they become mainstream, but now its not wven considered sexual.. funky.
I’d watch a video of a British man screaming about the great dying
The idea of marine sloths being hunted by whales or sharks is just beyond alien
Remember, orca hunt moose sometimes. Nature is weird and wonderful.
I mean orcas are a regular predator of moose today. Life is weird
That doesn't even mention the walrus-headed whales that also lived in the same formation
@@KRJayster There are a *handful* of of known, confirmed occasions of Orcas opportunistically killing and consuming moose. But they are not actually a typical, regular prey item for them. Marine sloths were much more aquatic than moose and so would have been hunted way more regularly.
@@Monchegorx Hence why I said "sometimes".
Moth is like a diamond in the rough. Big enough to be well recognized, but still humbled enough to be kept as a secret.❤️
Love when we can get good direct evidence like nitrogen levels. Paleontology becomes the interdisciplinary field and we learn so much.
*Me, needing to head to class in five minutes or so:* Yeah, I've got time.
I'm watching during class lol
@@Player-pj9ktimagine your teacher playing this in class though
Sadly from what I know, evolution is banned in a lot of Us schools cus Christians are stuck up their own rears.
Yet now Christianity is allowed to be taught in some places:
Can't wait for abuse and predators to be reported.
@@Player-pj9kt so some people actually learn something in school :O wow fascinating xDD
😅 why do you have to call me out like that?
Always a good day when moth light media uploads.
Hell yeah my thoughts exactly
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One of the very few channels for which I keep notifications on!
This type of content is why I'm still on youtube.
Your channel is amazing the art and the videos are always so perfect
Based on the information available regarding how high the trophic level that Megalodon fed upon was, might it have been that they especially favored other shark species as prey? Being able to determine this would probably be difficult due to lack of evidence.
Woah... what happened.. I was watching your old videos and you just posted as I was watching
Good to see your channel grow! I sleep to your videos good and love the intro. Also, love sharks and megalodon
Love this channel. Please don't stop.
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Very interesting, I would not have considered that Megalodon's trophic signature would be so different to modern sharks. Fascinating to imagine what the foodweb could have looked like to cause that
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The j in Incakujira is read as a j, not h. The kujira part is Japanese for whale. Think of Godzilla's Japanese name gojira .
Thanks Moth Light Media
A well researched and argued video.
So someone sees art so good they call it AI.
Edit:Guess what?! Found the artist, they are Warpaint on Shutterstock. At least that's what I know. They are a freelance artist. Hope you see this Moth Light
For anyone about to say "he used AI art!!" Read the description. I checked and he said to let him know if you drew the art uncredited. Sometimes(50/50) reverse search doesn't tell you the original source. He can't just know every single artist in the world.
And look at the detail, Ai, at this time, could never. At this time. And this art was from 2018.
To give credit to the original artist, the artwork as it appears on her website is completely different to how it's used in this video/thumbnail. It's been removed from its original lighting, collaged onto a background in a different style and had some animation added. No wonder it looks out of place, I hope proper permission was sought from Boersma to use her art in this way.
@ComeWhatThey I used reverse search and tried to find credit in the news sites it was used on.
Do you have a Twitter account or anything the artist would have so we can let him know?
@ComeWhatThey If you mean the shark eating a seal, that one IS marked with a name. But that's not which one I mean. There is one unnamed due to him unable to find the original artist.
Found him
Thanks for another great video. The picture you showed of a megalodon chasing a small seal raises an issue that I often see in movies about the Megalodon - Such big sharks would not waste energy chasing small prey as the would be a net negative return in energy for the shark.
It's more for an instant easy size comparison. Not their fault that media creators ran with it
When will we have a video of the mega fauna of South America?
Love this channel. Thanks very much. 👍👍
9:01 There's always a bigger fish.
Big goober fish
One thing to add is that tropical coastal environments, due to its immense primary productivity and ecological complexity, often support much longer food chains than oceanic waters. A shallow reef can have a primary carbon productivity of up to 5.5 kg per square meter every year. This is absolutely enormous. For comparison, in tropical rainforest that number is "only" 2.2kg. A coral grouper, for instance, can often have a trophic level of 5+, much higher than any killer whale. But like how rainforests do not support large herds of antelopes, because the complexity of these environments, large marine animals today cannot really tap into these resource efficiently. This may not be the case in the Miocene, which in turn gives us some of the biggest macropredators the world has ever seen.
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good to see you again man
One thing is undeniable. Megalodon is probably objectively the coolest thing to ever exist
"Here is why we can't be sure..." is a great answer, and a welcome antidote to sensationalized pseudo-certainty. Thanks.
As with many animals, they eat what the can (with a some exceptions).
BIG predators select bigger prey unlike filter feeder such as whales.
Was it a fever dream or did he recently upload a video on how bull sharks live in fresh water and then remove it? Am I imagining things?
I think scishow did the video you’ve seen. Talked about how their blood is full of urea to balance the salt.
It was a short from moth light , I’ve just found it. I thought I was going mad then too lol
how does a bull shark remove fresh water
@@RoamingAdhocratthey have a very high urea concentration in their blood that they can control to regulate blood water potential level
They can carry a small amount with them in thier gills as they go back to salt water.@RoamingAdhocrat
Love this channel..
Thank you so much again Moth! I probably wouldn't have ever learned this info without you 🥰
All solo hunting marine predators actually hunt on preys smaller than them. Even transient orcas need large numbers to engage a 18 m whale. Predators killing larger prey items is more a land thing, where 1G and grappling abilities come into play...
That does not mean sharks can't kill larger game. White sharks are at least suspected of predation on beaked and false killer whales and megalodon quite surely had the firepower to kill a hypothetical prey as large or larger. But that's a moot point since megalodon and Livyatan were pretty much bigger than anything else in the Miocene oceans. That doesn’t mean that some potential whales back then were fairly large. Balaenopterids in the 15-18 m range are reported from the Miocene of Peru.
You also missed that the rib fragment with the healed teeth marks, although no TL estimate was provided in the paper, comes according to the author Stephen Godfrey from a rather large ancestral humpback or rorqual, the accompanying paleoart justly depicts a 4-7 m shark biting the flank of a whale about twice larger.
Purdy (1996) reports bite marks on reportedly large sperm whales and balaenopterids bones.
Also, IIRC the evolution of gigantic balaenopterids actually occurs after megalodon's extinction ?
Honestly, I think it's reasonable to argue that O. megalodon was also eating other large shark species in addition to Raptorial Physeteroids. Considering how on a clade basis, Macropredatory shark predation on smaller sharks is an even more frequent event than Macropredatory shark predation on marine mammals, with some pretty good evidence from South Africa that Bull Sharks and Makos both feed on other elasmobranchs at a higher frequency than delphinids or pinnipeds.
While, on the topic of the Nitrogen paper, I remember in one of the appendices or somewhere else in the paper that they used teeth from sharks that had not reached asymptotic growth, namely in the 8-12m. range.
@niocriste2705 Indeed, and naturally sharks failing to predation don't preserve well as fossils. I guess destroying to get isotopes fro a large and rare meg tooth, often exhibited, is not something curators would be fond of.
Isotopes from physeteroids teeth are needed too.
Correction here:blue sharks are not mackeral sharks because they are within the Order Charchariniformes and not the order Lamniformes
Great, as ever
I like your content because of the intrigue of all of life’s unknowns, it’s easily consumable and isn’t pretentious, I think that’s a rare gift in the world of exhausting, almost supernatural assumptions of what came before us style content.
I just got high. Let's do this.
You know, it would be super cool if we found evidence of Livyatan pods working together with singular Megalodon’s to hunt prey like Piscoballena or the like. It’s an odd concept, but I find that concept super damn cool and terrifying for any poor bastard that got in their sights.
Eva I hope you see this hi!!!!! Lol great video. Mothlightmedia rocks!
Not in a hundred years I'm going to put the audio in any other language other than of my calm moth light's voice
Interestingly, raptorial sperm whales (the smaller orca-sized ones, not Livy) had life cycles more akin to that of belugas, suggesting that this was because megalodon was eating enough of them for them to be under heavy predation pressure, which also fits the idea of megalodon eating a lot of other predators.
Whatever is unfortunate enough to be front of the Megalodon.
3:50 * AHchoo *
I would love a video ranking predator, alive and extinct, by their trophic level!
Please make a Video on the Plants of the Dinosaur Era ! That would be amazing
Long answer short, it ate anything and everything it could fit into its mouth.
Marine sloths larger than people
I still fear how sloths are faster in water than on land
@@stupidmangoz sloths are harmless to people.
Bad ass video, but over 20mil years surviving is absolutely crazy.
Just think about how big the Megalodon was, then how long it swam the oceans, and how little is left of so much.
20 million years, and all that's left are bite marks on more sturdy bones, a few stray vertebrae, and teeth.
Almost scrubbed clean from the world. I don't know what I'm saying, maybe this is more of a feeling I got from thinking about it, but damn.
20+ million years, all over the Earth's oceans, and now they are gone, not sharks, but the Megalodon. Think about all the things that happened as all that time passed, how they would have had to change in that time to better suit their new environments, and catching food that had definitely changed in those millions of years.
How did they change? Did they get bigger, or smaller with the years, did they change with habitats and become other sharks in the Megalodon family? (White sharks?)
I wouldn't even know where to start, ramblings of a coffee fueled brain.
Great video, man!
man I really love that intro
Blue sharks aren't Lamnids, they're Carcharhiniformes (like bulls, tigers and reef sharks)
I wonder if the Megalodons had their eyes rolled back and their jaws popping out when they eat like the Great White Sharks?
1. Blue sharks aren’t mackerel sharks
They are carcharhiniformes
Closer to bull and tiger sharks
2. We have an idea of what it looked like based on relatives, a surprisingly complete spine, rostral bone, and also the teeth but also we have fossils of its ancestor cretalamna that include jaw pieces and full body fossils
3. We know they had a global distribution based on fighting teeth as far north as Norway in waters as cold as 1degree at the time
I loved this amazing video
We actually found an almost complete Megalodon skeleton here in Belgium! I was lucky enough to see it in the Royal Natural Science Institut Museum in Bruxelles last summer!
It is used in most size reconstruction.
Do u know the size?
Can't find it on google, could you please send more information?
x doubt
@@spartagaming6210~54feet
Please create playlists
"What did Megalodon actually eat?"
Probably whatever it wanted.
I guess Incakujira is japanese, since kujira means whale - therefore, the J is pronounced in japanese~
Very intresting!!
5:12 did the genus or species live for 20 million years? and what's the maximum amount of time a single species can exist until they are faced with extinction?
Let's not forget that "species" is a man-made and ultimately abritrary term. (Otodus) megalodon is only the latest and biggest species of the chronospecies Otodus, which existed since the Paleocene around 60 million years ago, and its likely ancestor Cretalamna would have swam with Mosasaurs during the late cretaceous.
My assumption here is that the phrasing is not to imply that is a singular species, but that it is simpler easier to refer to it as if it was one without knowing more than its teeth. Of course there had to be some ongoing speciation with what we call the Megalodon, but considering the long distances they can travel and nearly global range, they'd probably remained very closely related.
SUPER NICE
A 15ft shark.... Holy hell
Is that not a regular great white tho
Yes
I misread the title and thought it said Why did the Meg actually exist and I was a little scared
One thing is certain. Most people would not wanna be in a shark cage during the Miocene. 😂
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Well the pisco formation appeared in BBC's Walking with Sea Monsters
Seeing the title, I thought, "They ate whatever the hell they wanted, because nobody could tell 'em not to." 🙂
Ah shit time to learn more about everyone’s favorite
Rumor has it that Megalodon fed exclusively on seafood...
Idk if you saw the other comment but the one shark with no credit on it is from Warpaint.
They found the artist on Shutterstock and the artist makes models I think. The art is from 2018.
Idk what people are on about with this increasing use of Ai but I hope they are just too miserable to actually check, and that you didn't use ai art
Awesome
eat? everything but rocks
...probably some rocks too
Kodiak was here.
couldn't it also have eaten quite a bit of other sharks?
We sleepin good tonight boys
I hate to be that guy but the Peruvian fossils are also American fossils
Comment!
Thx!
3:03 clearly a gunshot wound
What did Megalodon actually eat? Anything he wanted!
Anything it wanted to.
Krill.
I love you 💗
The creators of Meg should have watch this video
Your m 0:06
"What Did Megalodon Actually Eat?"
Anything they dern wanted to! 😋
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It ate Everything!
Caseoh aah fish
Wasnt megalodon reclassified and is no longer considered to be in Lamnidae?
Yeah it's in Otodontidae now.
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anything it could get it's jaws around xD is my guess
Megalodon : 🤡
Leviyatan : 🗿
What Did Megalodon Actually Eat? Whatever the hell it wanted! 😂
I'm pretty livid knowing Megalodon didn't consume something closely resemble mega sushi udon
Only idiots think megalodon still lives.
No one said that here. Please fight ghosts elsewhere.
I agree but still, no one believes that here
Groceries.
Megs ate chicken and chips
😮 maybe is was a big megalodon shark that swallowed Jonah, instead of a whale. 😮