There was a big push for AI way better than Microsofts default, that AI got adopted into the HD AI back in 2010-2012 Then more advancements, that went into definitive, and now we're here!
I feel like you'd just have those who immediately know to counter the specific AIs dropping their ELO so they'd be an unfair challenge that lower ranked players deal with
@@lazthegreat10 A simple option: "I don't like ladder-games vs AI" and nobody is forced to play. Assume there would still be enough people who don't mind the AI
Would have been interesting to have a co caster who is familiar with aoe AI scripting and the aoe ai scripting scene. I'm sure we are missing out a bunch of details from the matches that people who aren't familiar won't notice
That would indeed be so awesome. Interested people would have a good idea about the AI strength and the scripters would have feedback regarding bugs or flaws.
Just tried Immortal vs Extreme DE. It's so funny honestly how Immortal just toys against the Extreme DE with just groups of skirmishers everywhere _(after the initial scout rush ofc)_ 🤣 As someone who's struggling vs Extreme DE, seeing some measly skirmishers be it's undoing was so funny 🤣 TheViper, tbh, your thumbnail made me almost skip this video because it didn't look like AoE2 thumbnail - I just so happen to notice the channel name. Just a friendly feedback.
Viper trashing his chat 😂😂😬😬😬. Awesome video though! Viper man you should do more casting... you really have so much insight that other actual casters don't provide
it would be incredibly fun to have a game mode where exo is controlled by an ai and army control was all player input. you could still override ai to control villagers but it would be like watered down age so we can all micro army and have a fun casual format
Pretty sure the purple player bugging out in the second game was caused by the positioning for the archery range and the future TC: the intent was to add a mining camp but couldn't find room for it while still leaving space for the TC in castle
It's seeming like Immortal is the better overall AI, given consistent winning until the grand final and the fact that it can play many civs and doesn't have excessive complaints about opposing walls and towers. Rehoboam is very good still, with that insane archer micro but again, one trick pony with a pocket build too, but only 2-3 civs makes it very limited to be countered by some styles and seems quite abusable.
I think AI team games would be even more interesting if it was AIs developed by diferent people, teamming together against another team of AIs, for example reho teams up with immortal and needs to communicate what its doing
Just curious when we will start to learn meta from AI like in chess. Obviously AI micro is incomparable to humun micro. But surely AI will be able to optimise build orders, walling, unit composition etc for us?
It's not really an AI. It's just a computer following instructions of what to do written by a scripter. The AI doesn't "think" for itself or innovate new strategies. It just does what it's been told to do. The build orders it follows have been programmed by a human. For example, At the start of the game - build two houses When house are built - herd sheep
Good question about the AI detecting what you do, I've found vs. DE AI even on hard if I delete one of my walls that enemy couldn't see, they start charging when that happens anyway
What TheMaximalBeing said. Additionally Reho was fairly unlucky in the semifinal where the first 3 games were decided by some rare scouting bugs which Reho didn't experience in the final.
Congratulations to Tiramis for making your video introduction coherent. Witnessing the original attempts on twitch was very entertaining
Wow, what a clean intro. This Viper fellow is such a professional. Tiramis must have an easy life 👀
I didn't now the AI scene was so advanced.
There was a big push for AI way better than Microsofts default, that AI got adopted into the HD AI back in 2010-2012
Then more advancements, that went into definitive, and now we're here!
Know not now Haha I'm that guy.Still virgin but you know who needs peaches right.
The way you keep comparing the AI to Daut 🤣
I wish the AoE developers would put those AI into the ranked ladder so we could have a precise measurement of their ELO
would love that too
I feel like you'd just have those who immediately know to counter the specific AIs dropping their ELO so they'd be an unfair challenge that lower ranked players deal with
i strongly disagree. Just let people play against it if they wish. Otherwise it looks like cheating, especially the archer micro
@@lazthegreat10 A simple option: "I don't like ladder-games vs AI"
and nobody is forced to play. Assume there would still be enough people who don't mind the AI
Would have been interesting to have a co caster who is familiar with aoe AI scripting and the aoe ai scripting scene. I'm sure we are missing out a bunch of details from the matches that people who aren't familiar won't notice
Take a look at the previous Rehoboam vs. Immortal on the aiscripter's twitch.
47:41 Did AI just snipe monk with treb? What an advanced script 11
AI abuse treb a lot, they even use treb to snipe ship
Love the color schemes for team games! Finally done right.
cant wait to see you play against these AIs
Would be cool to see those AIs playing ranked games lol. Lets see where they end up.
That would indeed be so awesome. Interested people would have a good idea about the AI strength and the scripters would have feedback regarding bugs or flaws.
When the day comes where I beat Extreme DE AI, I'll challenge immortal!
Just tried Immortal vs Extreme DE.
It's so funny honestly how Immortal just toys against the Extreme DE with just groups of skirmishers everywhere _(after the initial scout rush ofc)_ 🤣
As someone who's struggling vs Extreme DE, seeing some measly skirmishers be it's undoing was so funny 🤣
TheViper, tbh, your thumbnail made me almost skip this video because it didn't look like AoE2 thumbnail - I just so happen to notice the channel name. Just a friendly feedback.
Where can I see that?
I've been waiting for this video for 10,000 years
Loved this!!! Can't wait to see you crush immortal and reho!
Viper trashing his chat 😂😂😬😬😬. Awesome video though! Viper man you should do more casting... you really have so much insight that other actual casters don't provide
ai vs ai is super interesting. MORE!
If Immortal was on random civ in the games that may have been why it choked.
it would be incredibly fun to have a game mode where exo is controlled by an ai and army control was all player input. you could still override ai to control villagers but it would be like watered down age so we can all micro army and have a fun casual format
Pretty sure the purple player bugging out in the second game was caused by the positioning for the archery range and the future TC: the intent was to add a mining camp but couldn't find room for it while still leaving space for the TC in castle
5:00 Rehob is Daut confirmed
These AIs still look so bare bones for not being able to adapt. Units gets stuck, they let themselves get killed for nothing, and so on.
It's seeming like Immortal is the better overall AI, given consistent winning until the grand final and the fact that it can play many civs and doesn't have excessive complaints about opposing walls and towers. Rehoboam is very good still, with that insane archer micro but again, one trick pony with a pocket build too, but only 2-3 civs makes it very limited to be countered by some styles and seems quite abusable.
I think AI team games would be even more interesting if it was AIs developed by diferent people, teamming together against another team of AIs, for example reho teams up with immortal and needs to communicate what its doing
Definitely interesting but when it gets to team games it gets difficult to remember which player is which with the different colours
Yes, finally more Viper aginst AI on the horizon
I was wondering if the top players can beat those AI's
are they only working for arabia or can u play them on other maps too? what about maps with water?
the immortal ia is that human that made a Viper in the finals
Oh, that's awesome. I'm jelly that someone thought of a compiler for AI scripting language
Reho needs more fallback options, to deal with bugged out units.
when will RL method join AOE2DE?can't wait to see something like alpha_zero or things like SC2
Wow interesting content!
And now Viper vs AI! And GL vs KI's!
Just curious when we will start to learn meta from AI like in chess. Obviously AI micro is incomparable to humun micro. But surely AI will be able to optimise build orders, walling, unit composition etc for us?
It's not really an AI. It's just a computer following instructions of what to do written by a scripter. The AI doesn't "think" for itself or innovate new strategies. It just does what it's been told to do. The build orders it follows have been programmed by a human.
For example,
At the start of the game - build two houses
When house are built - herd sheep
perhaps the villagers stop gathering at a set food value for what a standard boar should give, but since they are mayans the boar has food left.
How do you play these particular AI?
The other guy commentating sounds like Covid T-90
You write your comment like Chatonnec GPTion-Lost.
That's t West he has a similar voice
18:29 The diss 🔞!
Phenomenal content. Inspiring.
i read the name as "roboboom" and will forever call it that
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see deepmind's AI
This cool i want to challenge this ai
Seriously would love to have an ai that can handle water and migration
0 apm. "Still better than daut"
Good question about the AI detecting what you do, I've found vs. DE AI even on hard if I delete one of my walls that enemy couldn't see, they start charging when that happens anyway
How can i play against one of thus AIs?
Which AI is best at Forest Nothing?
after seeing this video I played against rehoboam and after couple of games I won. what do you think about elo of reho nearly?
So what’s your elo?
i really dont know my level. i am new to arabia metas. just copying from pros.@@thewashh
Wondering what the ELO of this AI would be on the human ladder...
4v4 GL vs Reho let's go!
can we have viper play against Rehoboam
Twest!
I lived to the day when beating AI considered an accomplishment 😮
can pros beat these ai?
With ease. The buggy or idiotic way they react to raids mean you can absolutely destroy them that way alone.
Average player elo is around 1k. Pros are between 2.3k and 2.8k elo. These AIs are around 1.2k, maybe 1.3k max
even with proper micro nerding, AI would get overwhelmed. their decisions are too poor compared to any high elo player
Anyone above average could probably beat them convincingly. Especially if they take advantage of their flaws.
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Are they allowed to update the AI during the tournament? That might explain the comeback?
No updates during the final round. The change in outcome was due to the civs that Immortal was given.
What TheMaximalBeing said. Additionally Reho was fairly unlucky in the semifinal where the first 3 games were decided by some rare scouting bugs which Reho didn't experience in the final.
Heys Viper's editor, pls update this channels's playlist pls. Hasn't been updated for years now.
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Reho sux it should be forced to do random civ for all AI reho doing 2 mayan 2 persia is plain lame
T-west cocast yay!
hell no