It's really refreshing to see an actual mass carrier game, used to be everywhere and there's just something fun about watching a protoss ball turn into a swarm.
17:10 "you can pretty much just just grab an attack move the skytoss army" *Byun immediately proves that you definitely can't just a-move a skytoss army*
I am starting to wonder if nerfing Vikings somewhat would help make Ghosts less of a problem because it helps both Protoss and Zerg have more flexibility in adding flying units. I don't think Vikings should be nerfed into oblivion, but they are so much air superiority and produce so cheaply and quickly compared to the units they practically hard counter. Especially since Terran also have massively ranged ground v ground with seige takes. It might be interesting for Vikings to have some weakness to short range combat to help make Phoenixes a reasonable response to mass Vikings. And give Mutas a bit more game against them. I don't think it needs to be a full dead zone, but reduced damage could really be more interesting and open up space for more units in match ups.
Zergs and terrans have that ability. Corrupters and vikings destroy all protoss air units. Remember, Starcraft has a formula on how it's balanced. It's called hierarchy. Please don't forget this. Been this way since 1999. Terran > Zerg > Protoss Make terrans happy first, then zerg, then toss.
@@orangepearlf40 Voidrays destroy Corruptors, and due to the small range they are at risk to Archons, and storm. Vikings have huge range and do not get put at risk, by anything except Tempests but they attack so slowly and still require three shots to kill.
@IcariumGaming Voidrays are expensive. Over invest, and you will have to deal with cracklings destroying everything. The logic is great on paper, but in reality it's not practical in a high level PVZ. Void Ray:Minerals: 250 Vespene Gas: 150 Supply: 4 Corruptor: Minerals: 150 Vespene Gas: 100 Supply: 2
Duuude I love my viking skykingsss! it’s so satisfying quickly pumping out 6 on reactors, right-clicking those gaudy, slow, expensive capital ships and watching them burn while toss players cry 😂
You make one phoenix for yourself but then you made another phoenix for your phoenix and then made a phoenix for your phoenix, phoenix and so on. It's like dogs and cats, you just can't get a single one 🤣
Here is a proposal for the ghost. What if, its abilities have to be researched before they are used(like with the other specialist units) and it counts as a Light unit?
@@ghosthamster6521 Disruptor is already a poor counter to ghost, because they can just be scooped up by medivac, then dropped back safely. Viking range is longer than storm range, they move WAY faster than templars, and their damage is dealt instantly, as opposed to DoT. Also you don't want your HT in the front of the army where they can get decimated by infantry, or sniped, or EMPd. Stop giving stupid ideas when they clearly don't work.
I would like to see mass allucinations vs those vikings, or having 2/3 zealots with several allucinated zealots as distraction. I believe that they are meant to be used similarly to the changelings, to confuse and distract the opponent.
@@quixcover Yes, but scans are a limited resource and terrans only think to use them for either scouting or cloaked units. Not to mention they first have to scan and then actively right click the stuff they want to shoot.
@@admiralmurphy1543 18:22 to 19:00, in 38sec Byun scans 6 times. If every scan save you even a Marine in average, its 300 mineral saved. There is no counter to Scan, you wait them to wear off, another scan is being cast.
@@kinglif8854allucination also doesn't cost resources. Only energy...so... the 3 races have ways of scounting with energy (changelings, allucinations and scans). Scans reveal cloak, but changelings and allucinations can be used to other aspecs.
Would me nice if one of the Carrier's interceptors could be upgraded to disable/jam enemy detection on any unit or structure they strike for a limited time, including pacifying the command center's ability in exchange for some of it's damage. Maybe have the upgrade available on the selected Carrier unit itself instead of the Fleet Beacon so the whole fleet is not effected. We really do not have anything that Jams enemy detection or radar and you would think something that is designed to "intercept" should be able to do that.
Ok, i have an idea for Disruptors: Add manual detonation option to the nova in addition to the timer the ball already has. This way, players who want to target it down will have to be more careful with their decision making at "diving into a caster head long". It also requires an additional action from the Protoss to make the most of it, I'd say its justice considering we have a Ghost capable of crippling an entire late game army with 2 EMPs in addition to having a solid auto attack.
"the protoss army is easier to micro" Meanwhile vikings booping a thousand worth of resource from the protoss army with the APM requirements to play league of legends.
Thanks for another great cast Lowko, although I do have a question. Any update on your merchandise? I would love to buy something with one of your famous quotes on it?
You know you *COULD* use Korean OCR to text to english with e.g. AI system specifically for that and then you would know every time what they're writing about!
Lowko's caption is funny along with the thumbnail. if it's protoss or terran, he places OMG OP NEEDS NERF or something. But when it's a zerg, he compliments it LMAO the bias zerg in him still doesn't understan zerg is the most OP race out of the 3 while protoss is the worst.
I love that the battles end 29834752093874 vikings left over and 15 ghosts to 0 protoss... lol maybe vikings need to be made only one at a time, AND the EMP radius needs to be smaller...
50 minerals for a suit is... pricey. you got a command centre for 400 thereof. believe me or not, a command centre is probably worth a half dozen million USD. divde that by 8... $750,000. i'd rather use a 3D printer for that matter.
Stop with clem games. I always root for the terran, but watching clem has become boring. I don't see clem doing anything special but feels like opponents have no chance to win.
24:35 I wasnt gonna say it because I don't want to be a hater and love your content. But I do wish you were a bit less harsh on these pros hahaha. I usually watch your videos to relax and fall to sleep and the end of the night so I think you praising the pros would flow better to help viewers chill out.
Lowko, why are you so full of shit? How is the terran late game army harder to control? Protoss late game has always been the hardest, because half the P units have abilities, that need to be activated. Stop being a butthurt zerg.
@@Dasbulldoge I'm trying to watch Lowko time and again, but honestly the reason Winter is way more enjoyable, is that he's a random player. Lowko is a zerg and you smell it a mile away. In his mind protoss are super easy to play and overpowered, even though protoss haven't won a big tourney in years. Having such a biased commentator is simply annoying.
Terran late game is so hard that they need multiple hotkeys for ghosts. Some for nukes, some for spines, some for emp. Imagine doing so much ghost micro while dropping mules! I mean it's difficult that terran barely has the thousands of extra apm required to have a raven in the army comp
Translate here!
Byun: missed you so much
Hero: lololol
Hero: holy s*it
맞은 번역 하셔서 고아워요.. 그 "두두베이징"꾼이 마음대로 했죠 ㅋㅋ
@@apakan1665”짱“이잖아요 이해하세요
I'm trying to learn korean, I've yet to understood a single word in this...
It takes time! I've studied over 2.5 years
오우쉣 is literally "oh, shit" spelled in korean lol
Checking the comments to see what they wrote and if someone translated it,, just to find out that the video was only posted 2 minutes ago xD
see above
They say that they love banging your momma
Byun: "Wow I seriously missed you so much"
Hero: "Hahahaha"
Hero: "Oh oo jjwet" (I'm guessing that's Korean phoenetic spelling for "oh shit")
google lens confirm apakan's version of the story
What Lowko thinks they're saying: "haha, loser! Didn't even get me."
What they're really saying: "I really missed you so much."
that explains how the game feels more like theyre relaxing, and not even trying
27:36
Lowko: there's the recall!
*Shows Mothership cloaking*
Me: 😂 never change SC2 Expert Simon Lowko!
It's really refreshing to see an actual mass carrier game, used to be everywhere and there's just something fun about watching a protoss ball turn into a swarm.
17:10 "you can pretty much just just grab an attack move the skytoss army"
*Byun immediately proves that you definitely can't just a-move a skytoss army*
7:58 hearing "5 probes for 2 dudes inside of a medivac" while i was alt tabbed is crazy
*"Hez opening the Door with his Ballz"* ... what a mental image 🤭 cant unhear that!
58:48 that poor medivac finally gets home from its long trip to get shot down by 4 stalkers. lmao
I love these, just a bit over an hour videos, perfect for my exercise routine!
29:25 Byun's SCV died to a probe, I guess he was crying about that.
herO and ByuN walk into a bar...
The bar closes, they still haven't ordered 😂
I like this new byun that reaches into his pocket and just throw in some mech against protoss
I am starting to wonder if nerfing Vikings somewhat would help make Ghosts less of a problem because it helps both Protoss and Zerg have more flexibility in adding flying units. I don't think Vikings should be nerfed into oblivion, but they are so much air superiority and produce so cheaply and quickly compared to the units they practically hard counter. Especially since Terran also have massively ranged ground v ground with seige takes.
It might be interesting for Vikings to have some weakness to short range combat to help make Phoenixes a reasonable response to mass Vikings. And give Mutas a bit more game against them. I don't think it needs to be a full dead zone, but reduced damage could really be more interesting and open up space for more units in match ups.
I love the fact that terran can make Vikings and counter everything protoss has in the air on top of collossus, what a cool unit
Zergs and terrans have that ability.
Corrupters and vikings destroy all protoss air units.
Remember, Starcraft has a formula on how it's balanced. It's called hierarchy. Please don't forget this. Been this way since 1999.
Terran > Zerg > Protoss
Make terrans happy first, then zerg, then toss.
@@orangepearlf40 Voidrays destroy Corruptors, and due to the small range they are at risk to Archons, and storm.
Vikings have huge range and do not get put at risk, by anything except Tempests but they attack so slowly and still require three shots to kill.
@IcariumGaming
Voidrays are expensive. Over invest, and you will have to deal with cracklings destroying everything. The logic is great on paper, but in reality it's not practical in a high level PVZ.
Void Ray:Minerals: 250
Vespene Gas: 150
Supply: 4
Corruptor: Minerals: 150
Vespene Gas: 100
Supply: 2
They also have ghost which counters every single unit as well
Sounds like some people need to get in touch with Harstem about this imbalance which has been discovered.
Protoss pro: Beats Vikings with skytoss
Protoss peanut gallery: Viking IMBA!
Duuude I love my viking skykingsss! it’s so satisfying quickly pumping out 6 on reactors, right-clicking those gaudy, slow, expensive capital ships and watching them burn while toss players cry 😂
The music of SC2 is amazing !!!
I swear if any chose a track as a background music to the video, it can never match the beauty of sc2 music
Lowko can we get a ZvZ matchup? It’s been a few months since the last one
I’ll have a look!
You make one phoenix for yourself but then you made another phoenix for your phoenix and then made a phoenix for your phoenix, phoenix and so on. It's like dogs and cats, you just can't get a single one 🤣
Here is a proposal for the ghost. What if, its abilities have to be researched before they are used(like with the other specialist units) and it counts as a Light unit?
Thanks for the video, Lowko. Happy Friday! ❤
How do you counter Protoss as Terran? Ghost.
How do you counter skytoss as Terran? Vikings.
Really, 2 units counter an entire tech tree.
disruptor counters ghost, storm counters Vikings. stop whining when they options are there and not used
@@ghosthamster6521
Disruptor is already a poor counter to ghost, because they can just be scooped up by medivac, then dropped back safely.
Viking range is longer than storm range, they move WAY faster than templars, and their damage is dealt instantly, as opposed to DoT. Also you don't want your HT in the front of the army where they can get decimated by infantry, or sniped, or EMPd.
Stop giving stupid ideas when they clearly don't work.
@@daikatarokamegawa542😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a sass dude
I am simple man
I see mass carrier play
I click
I am happy
Too bad we can't have Protoss winning, had to throw in another series so the video can end with a Protoss loss
I would like to see mass allucinations vs those vikings, or having 2/3 zealots with several allucinated zealots as distraction. I believe that they are meant to be used similarly to the changelings, to confuse and distract the opponent.
Problem with that is a terran scan or any detection will reveal hallucinations, as opposed to changelings that dont get revealed.
@@quixcover Yes, but scans are a limited resource and terrans only think to use them for either scouting or cloaked units. Not to mention they first have to scan and then actively right click the stuff they want to shoot.
Idra GG moment
@@admiralmurphy1543 18:22 to 19:00, in 38sec Byun scans 6 times.
If every scan save you even a Marine in average, its 300 mineral saved.
There is no counter to Scan, you wait them to wear off, another scan is being cast.
@@kinglif8854allucination also doesn't cost resources. Only energy...so... the 3 races have ways of scounting with energy (changelings, allucinations and scans). Scans reveal cloak, but changelings and allucinations can be used to other aspecs.
너무 그리웠네 진짜: (both sarcastically) “I sure missed this” or “You sure missed me”
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ: lol or lmao
오우쉣: Korean phonetic for Oh shit
Would me nice if one of the Carrier's interceptors could be upgraded to disable/jam enemy detection on any unit or structure they strike for a limited time, including pacifying the command center's ability in exchange for some of it's damage. Maybe have the upgrade available on the selected Carrier unit itself instead of the Fleet Beacon so the whole fleet is not effected.
We really do not have anything that Jams enemy detection or radar and you would think something that is designed to "intercept" should be able to do that.
Dr Hanson and the Latex Glove: A dark tale of mystery
Ok, i have an idea for Disruptors:
Add manual detonation option to the nova in addition to the timer the ball already has. This way, players who want to target it down will have to be more careful with their decision making at "diving into a caster head long".
It also requires an additional action from the Protoss to make the most of it, I'd say its justice considering we have a Ghost capable of crippling an entire late game army with 2 EMPs in addition to having a solid auto attack.
As a zerg player, please do not give them ideas! We're already crying because of the ghost overhere :(
@@Sir_Bucket I must save Aiur from EMPs, my friend. I'm sorry.
@@percyj.5091 the zerg cabal will have its revenge!
Unfortunately the design phase of SC2 officially ended 3 years ago. Only balance patches now.
@@percyj.5091 traitor! The zerg cabal will have its revenge!
Hero was covering his mouth of laughter the entire match so he could only use 1 hand to play, that is a good excuse to the low APM lol
"the protoss army is easier to micro"
Meanwhile vikings booping a thousand worth of resource from the protoss army with the APM requirements to play league of legends.
You can use Google lens to translate what it says. And Byunn wrote: I missed you so much
lowko you should get that translater photo app on your phone so you can look it up as you cast
Getting people to comment makes the algorithm gods happy though
great games! great serieses!
I'm sorry but "Ariel Hansen and the latex glove" does not sound like a story that's safe for children.
A regra é clara: Se tem protoss na thumb, 99% de certeza que ele perdeu
Hey yall, js but sometimes i pause a game and look at it frame by frame; on my keyboard its the period and the comma to go back and forth
I noticed at 27:45 the disruptors that are "empty" aren't hidden with the cloaking field of the mothership. I don't know if its a feature or a bug
Pretty sure they were just EMPed
Great video indeed
53:30 "He is woke - Actually nah... Anyways"
Thanks for another great cast Lowko, although I do have a question. Any update on your merchandise? I would love to buy something with one of your famous quotes on it?
You know you *COULD* use Korean OCR to text to english with e.g. AI system specifically for that and then you would know every time what they're writing about!
at 5:20 probius spotted the cloaked banshee
pause at 5:27
Lowko's caption is funny along with the thumbnail. if it's protoss or terran, he places OMG OP NEEDS NERF or something. But when it's a zerg, he compliments it LMAO the bias zerg in him still doesn't understan zerg is the most OP race out of the 3 while protoss is the worst.
"herO's MASS Carrier strategy is incredibly strong!" - gets annihilated by Clem...
Damn im early. Can't wait to not have to watch the entire video then forget aboit it forever. Love ya Simon
JIMMY NOOO!!!! 😭
He was 1 day away from retirement!
Felt like Byun wasn't really trying, just a friendly game.
I love that the battles end 29834752093874 vikings left over and 15 ghosts to 0 protoss... lol maybe vikings need to be made only one at a time, AND the EMP radius needs to be smaller...
Do yu want all these terran cry?
I love that Protoss fangirls cry when they win 😭😂
5:10 me after eating Taco Bell
Game one was like Nintendo in 2017: They didn't have to make that switch!
i kinda feel like 'finally a good game'. Last couple weeks i havent seen much very good SC2
He said ghost OP 😮😮
allow NOVA to hit AIR units
Time for lowko to pop out the google translate
I'm Actually Scared of This
Is there a reason I'm just not getting why lowko doesn't just point his phone with the translate app at the screen and get an instant translation?
Hero had blinked his stalkers more than 2 times before he went down
Te amo lowko
How can we be sure it’s a best of three if you don’t assure us you double checked?
50 minerals for a suit is... pricey.
you got a command centre for 400 thereof. believe me or not, a command centre is probably worth a half dozen million USD. divde that by 8... $750,000. i'd rather use a 3D printer for that matter.
I fell asleep so hard on the first game that i thought zerg won
Where is a Raven!!! 😅
Yeah carriers are actually underpowered at the top ranks imo. They don't benefit from any micro so at the top ranks they're just pretty bad
I think protoss is weak due expensive and can't counter mass corrupter+infestor+broodlord and battlecruiser+widow mine or mass terran bio
4:53 *starts erasing notes
spoiler shield pls
Brother, I am pinned here.
Hero randomly donating entire squads of units never stops being painful.
In game 1 he spent way too much on towers.
First!!!!! can’t wait to watch this
Ok. Nice games. But have to admit the number of adds had me thinking about quitting to Watch. Insane amount dude.
heloh effffrioooone
Oh god please no
too much ads
Stop with clem games. I always root for the terran, but watching clem has become boring. I don't see clem doing anything special but feels like opponents have no chance to win.
24:35 I wasnt gonna say it because I don't want to be a hater and love your content. But I do wish you were a bit less harsh on these pros hahaha. I usually watch your videos to relax and fall to sleep and the end of the night so I think you praising the pros would flow better to help viewers chill out.
너무 그리웠네 진짜
> "We are the best of the best"
No it’s Not true
@@Sjejxiciifidjdjsjjs you are right !!!!!
I don't know what happened, they say "I really missed you so much"
😶🌫️
56th
Airtoss you need 3apm not 300 no skill what's so ever hehe
Lowko, why are you so full of shit? How is the terran late game army harder to control? Protoss late game has always been the hardest, because half the P units have abilities, that need to be activated. Stop being a butthurt zerg.
My brother in Christ relax. It’s a game.
Can you point onto this doll where Mr. Lowko hurt you?
yes, mass carriers need 700+ apm to make them move faster
@@kokowoch well, it's not just carriers, is it?
@@Dasbulldoge I'm trying to watch Lowko time and again, but honestly the reason Winter is way more enjoyable, is that he's a random player. Lowko is a zerg and you smell it a mile away. In his mind protoss are super easy to play and overpowered, even though protoss haven't won a big tourney in years. Having such a biased commentator is simply annoying.
Terran late game is so hard that they need multiple hotkeys for ghosts. Some for nukes, some for spines, some for emp. Imagine doing so much ghost micro while dropping mules! I mean it's difficult that terran barely has the thousands of extra apm required to have a raven in the army comp
How do u get so many views compared to every other SC2 talent on RUclips? Like the numbers are not even close.
Non-Twitch viewers, if you ever get a chance, stop by the stream and type !christmas and see what happens. You're welcome.