In all my years of playing wow your videos are by far the best guide/breakdowns I’ve seen. Love how in depth you go and how well you justify all your decisions. Great stuff.
Absolutely banger of a video. Im a surv main and its been sooo much fun! My opener was a bit different but im going to try yours as it makes more sense.
After maining BM hunter for so long I decided to give survival a go. I've never been good at learning through listening but you broke everything down so simply and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of the spec now. Great guide!
Great guide! I definitely learned quite a few optimizations. I like how you had the guide rotation pulled up and walked through it because those can be confusing or complicated sometimes.
Incredible work! I like the breakdowns of your damage profile in order to go thought your spell abilities. Congratulations man, you just help a plethora of new Survival hunters, including myself !
@@xMaKBx All spells are used on all target counts - the priority they are used in just changes, and Raptor drops to the bottom on anything that isn't single-target. That is very different than not using it at all.
I just picked up a Myth track staff last week so figured Id give surv a shot. Definitely a big change from BM and a lot more to consider. I'll reference this video to help me out.
If you are unable to immediately get in melee (most of the time) or if the boss moves to you, it's better to Wildfire Bomb first. I clarify this in the video and I have since updated the written guide to be more clear about this.
I'm having difficulty spending enough focus to stop from overflowing. The focus cost of all our best abilities just seem so low, it seems the only time I really spend it is when everything else is on CD and I need to fill with raptor strike.
So since we are using WFB with tip stacks, and we are dumping WFB before butchery and CA. Do we use kill command before the WFBs that we are dumping? Or when are just using WFB as a filler do we kill command before each one to gain the stack of tip?
Nope! As the guide states, these "dump" WFB's in the opener (and otherwise) are some of the only non-Tipped Bombs we will be throwing. That said, you can usually see the situation coming up and pre-stack Tips for your dumb-Bombs (outside the opener, anyway).
So question: at 3:05 you talk about Sentinel being the hero talent we use in "all aoe raid fights and m+" yet the raid talents that you recommend per boss on icy veins for Brood and Silken Court is pack leader. What am I missing?
@@rixanneh18 Fair question. Sentinel deals more damage on Brood, but Pack Leader has the better blend of st and AoE for progression (where overall dps is not the best metric of success). Silken Court is simply not an aoe fight.
coordinated assault and fury of the eagle are both kinda 45sec cd, isnt it worth use like cd - bomb - explo and then u have 1tip of the spear and use fury of the eagle, and save flanking strike for after fury ends, rather and use flanking right after first bomb and make you use fury of the eagle with full stacks of tips?
@@hannulahtinen4787 Good thinking! I prefer to put Flanking first because it has the shorter cd, and using Fury first would push it back at least 3 seconds. Just like flanking gives you tip stacks that can cause tip to cap, so can fury. Using either ability with full tip is unfortunate but we need to get them on cd so picking the shorter cd/shorter cast time spell is the lesser evil in my estimation.
Thorium, which is basically just Chrome. You can do this with any web browser - I didn't actually overlay anything, it's just the scene setup in OBS. I cannot see the browser unless I am tabbed into it aka I don't see what the video shows as I am recording.
Hi, tbh i dont know how to ask for this, but i need help, im a new player in wow, and i quite like the hunter, but i dont do dmg anywhere close to those numbers, could i ask for assistance?
I have a really stupid question, you have said that we always use aito-attacks but i dont see it how when the point is to constantly activate different abilities, one after the other, so are attacks always procking with abilities?
Thank you for this very nice and useful video. (And sorry for my english - I'm from France). Could i ask you what racial is good for survival. I would like to be Zandalari for Regen and loa, or Vulpera for health pot, or High Mountain Tauren for vers bonus and physical attacks resistance.
Great guide! In ST, when is a good time to use Queens Mandate? I struggle when to use this because if I use it right away then I have to wait a bit to do the proper opener due to trinket CD. And i feel if I can't utilize until after using Coord Assault due to Skardyns, its wasted? So trying to find a good time of when to use this on the opener.
@@Jubileo It doesn't scale off anything in your kit except for lunar storm and howl of the pack. So just make sure that all uses are with lunar storm active (as sentinel) or with 3 stacks of howl of the pack (pack leader). Coordinated Assault does not buff it.
Sometimes you overcap energy, how big of a dmg loss is that? I'm trying to fill as many Raptor strikes as possible but I have to delay important abilities by 1/2globals if not I overcap energy
@@asasdsaasda On aoe it's a total non-concern. On st it should be avoided. Nearly everything costs focus except kill command so you do not have to delay any "important abilities" to not focus cap.
Remember that a pack is only as fast as its slowest dying mob, and on an AoE pack, Serpent Sting + Outland Venom is doing a lot of work to ensure that your primary target (which should nearly always be the highest Hp one)'s HP is going down as fast as possible, speeding up the pack significantly. Single-target also makes up 30-50% of Mythic+ and the talents are insane for that.
how much the upcomming 26th nov nerf impact dps and the spec dps rank in m+ ? i just started to gearing and learning my survival hunter thanks for the video
Amazing video! I have a question though, is it best to use skardyn’s trinket on the opener or sync it with bombardier ? What i do is use the trinket 5seconds into coordinated assault then fury of the eagle, keep on the rotation, CA ends, explosive shot(bombardier), which explodes 1-2 seconds before the trinket timer is expired. Is this the best way or better to just use it on pull?
Using it on the CA should be better. I suppose there are a few universes where, like you mention, if you can manage to hit the Bombardier instantly when CA ends, Tipped of course, and you pop Skardyn 4s into CA so that it will cover those 3 Explosives from Bombardier, that could be strong too.. But it's basically trading 3-4 globals of Skardyn coverage at the beginning of CA, for 3x ES' worth of Skardyn coverage. I think it's a wash. Also worth keeping in mind that the nice thing about Bombardier is that you DON'T have to use it right after CA, you can save it for a future add spawn - hell, sometimes even your next CA. I do this most often on 2nd boss Necrotic Wake for example where CA lines up with the add phases very well. Also something to be said for what is easier to do reliably. Good thinking though and thanks for watching.
Great Video! Love it! What about Stats in anyway ? I See so many ppl with different Stats , many go on Crit/Mastery , i tested it a few days ago and i dont know i dont fell like it was better ? greetings
really nice guide , but one thing that I've noticed, and correct me if I'm wrong is that the weakaura for lunar that says hold on bomb is not really accurate because its not counting the fact that butchery / explosive shot / auto attack or kill command is reducing Bomb CD or I'm wrong ?
First of all thank you for that really good guide! I like your videos! The question is: When do i go for the Aoe Rotation instead of the ST Rotation? At 2 mobs 3 or more?
I think of >=3 targets as AoE, but honestly the differences between AoE and ST rotation within the same build are pretty subtle. The main differences between "AoE" and "ST" rotations are because you run different builds for each, typically, so I never really go into a pack and think "oh yeah this is an AoE rotation pack".
Amazing guide! Ty for that Azhor! Im ur sub on twitch already. I have a question: can i get only this effect of the bomb impact on enemy's health bars?
Great video as usual, but there one thing I still would love to have clarified. You say the Tip of the Spear stacks don't work like combo-points. Does that mean an ability does the same amount of damage if we use it with 1 vs 3 stacks? If the dmg amp DOES stack, is it not always worth to get 3 stacks before using bombs, etc? Hope my question makes sense.
@@Azortharion Yeah I watched it back a few times, but didn't understand it completely. Might just be too tired, klokken er jo mange. Thanks for the clarification!
I like playing things that dont neccesarily have to be meta. I love the guide but take a look at building around not using bombs. I have one going that im leveling on amd it makes the game play way more fun. Not sure it would be viable but it makes dungeons awesome. I basically run through packs using mongoose and dots.
Can check my armory and mouse over items to see. Not much to it. I mostly use the Fire-Watcher's Oath toy to look like that red tauren-y guy. worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Azortharion
Hunter Sensei Azor!! I've been meaning to ask, which Tip of the Spear WA is that and which hunter WA do you use? Another awesome video even though it is simply a verbal walkthrough of your amazing guide :^) Edit: I found you hunter WA on IV. I still like your TofS wa better than the one I'm using!
I sim over 150k dps less by using flanking strike over sulfur-lined pockets i don't think its worth taking at all it also doesn't feel like it synergises well imo.
Sims do not Tip Bombardier-ES's, so Flanking Strike is undersimming. Sims also do not hold Bombardier-ES for larger packs or AoE, which is what Sulfur prevents. Sims are a valuable tool when you understand how they work and what they do and what they take into account and what they don't. Sulfur-Lined Pockets is competitive, it's just not optimal.
This is my rotation: swap to firemage. S1 is done, from now till next expac, fire is coming back. BM MM already a joke, survival got punished because enh assa fdk are good meanwhile all of these got "nerfed". What a clownfiesta
CORRECTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS HERE:
- Sorry for the WoW audio being a bit too loud compared to my voice!
nothing to be sorry about, the audio is fine, at least on my end. Thanks for the guide as always Master!
In all my years of playing wow your videos are by far the best guide/breakdowns I’ve seen. Love how in depth you go and how well you justify all your decisions. Great stuff.
This is the best guide i ever came across and i play this game more than 12+ years. Amazing job!
Absolutely banger of a video. Im a surv main and its been sooo much fun! My opener was a bit different but im going to try yours as it makes more sense.
Learning loads! Thanks for creating this!
After maining BM hunter for so long I decided to give survival a go. I've never been good at learning through listening but you broke everything down so simply and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of the spec now. Great guide!
Great guide! I definitely learned quite a few optimizations. I like how you had the guide rotation pulled up and walked through it because those can be confusing or complicated sometimes.
Incredible work! I like the breakdowns of your damage profile in order to go thought your spell abilities. Congratulations man, you just help a plethora of new Survival hunters, including myself !
A following question on my side would be: Are you using Raptor strike on two targets ? or it is pure ST spell ?
@@xMaKBx All spells are used on all target counts - the priority they are used in just changes, and Raptor drops to the bottom on anything that isn't single-target. That is very different than not using it at all.
Well noted, thank you! ❤
Not only this guide was very useful to learn Survival, I also just learned about single target dummies on top of the towers in Dornogal 😄
GREAT video! Thank you so much for the in-depth guides and explanations. Helps me play Hunter SO much better! Legend!
Incredible guide by the hunter god himself.
This one, colored it yellow tho: wago.io/LWuNIXaB9
oh you are the guy who wrote the Icy Veins guide? 🙏 I built my own WA around it, but still trying to make the rotation button simple for me.
Absolutely brilliant guide!
What a freaking guide video. Hell yes brother🤝
I just picked up a Myth track staff last week so figured Id give surv a shot. Definitely a big change from BM and a lot more to consider. I'll reference this video to help me out.
I don't get it. I thought tip of the spear only increased the damage of melee abilities and wildfire bomb? Can someone explain for a noob like me?
@@loremipsum54321 I don't know where you heard that ;p it affects many ranged abilities like explo and kill shot too.
I wonder why in the aoe opener we want to use Flanking Strike and then Fury of the Eagle even though FotE is above FS in the priority list?
Less chance of wasted Tip
why in st opening butcher has to be cast first instead of wildfire bomb ?
If you are unable to immediately get in melee (most of the time) or if the boss moves to you, it's better to Wildfire Bomb first. I clarify this in the video and I have since updated the written guide to be more clear about this.
I'm having difficulty spending enough focus to stop from overflowing. The focus cost of all our best abilities just seem so low, it seems the only time I really spend it is when everything else is on CD and I need to fill with raptor strike.
thanks so much for this!
So since we are using WFB with tip stacks, and we are dumping WFB before butchery and CA. Do we use kill command before the WFBs that we are dumping? Or when are just using WFB as a filler do we kill command before each one to gain the stack of tip?
Nope! As the guide states, these "dump" WFB's in the opener (and otherwise) are some of the only non-Tipped Bombs we will be throwing. That said, you can usually see the situation coming up and pre-stack Tips for your dumb-Bombs (outside the opener, anyway).
So question: at 3:05 you talk about Sentinel being the hero talent we use in "all aoe raid fights and m+" yet the raid talents that you recommend per boss on icy veins for Brood and Silken Court is pack leader. What am I missing?
@@rixanneh18 Fair question. Sentinel deals more damage on Brood, but Pack Leader has the better blend of st and AoE for progression (where overall dps is not the best metric of success). Silken Court is simply not an aoe fight.
When in dungeon and fighting a boss that has no adds (so pure ST scenario), where on priority list is bombardier ES?
It's just a completely normal explosive at that point.
coordinated assault and fury of the eagle are both kinda 45sec cd, isnt it worth use like cd - bomb - explo and then u have 1tip of the spear and use fury of the eagle, and save flanking strike for after fury ends, rather and use flanking right after first bomb and make you use fury of the eagle with full stacks of tips?
or if there is no explo charge, just use cd - bomb - bomb - fury - flanking?
@@hannulahtinen4787 Good thinking! I prefer to put Flanking first because it has the shorter cd, and using Fury first would push it back at least 3 seconds. Just like flanking gives you tip stacks that can cause tip to cap, so can fury. Using either ability with full tip is unfortunate but we need to get them on cd so picking the shorter cd/shorter cast time spell is the lesser evil in my estimation.
Perfect guide, saved for watching again and again. Btw i cant see your pet... where is?
@@matoboth full screen. It's very small
After investigating i found in Tannan Jungle, Ty for your BiggieSmalls :D
@@matoboth what is it
@@allex2525 Marsh Gulper. Enjoy; www.wowhead.com/npc=89749/marsh-gulper
wait what browser that? mine wont let me overlay it like yours!
Thorium, which is basically just Chrome. You can do this with any web browser - I didn't actually overlay anything, it's just the scene setup in OBS. I cannot see the browser unless I am tabbed into it aka I don't see what the video shows as I am recording.
@ ohhh I see thank you for fast reply
am I missing it.... where can i get your ST rotation in M+ spec pls?
57:15, it is the same between the specs with only one small hero talent difference.
Hi, tbh i dont know how to ask for this, but i need help, im a new player in wow, and i quite like the hunter, but i dont do dmg anywhere close to those numbers, could i ask for assistance?
I have a really stupid question, you have said that we always use aito-attacks but i dont see it how when the point is to constantly activate different abilities, one after the other, so are attacks always procking with abilities?
@@lazarbaltic6255 I'm honestly not sure what you're asking :( When I say auto attacks I mean your automatic "white" melee hits with your weapon.
Auto attacks happen regardless of you using other abilities, so no need to worry about them.
Thank you for this very nice and useful video.
(And sorry for my english - I'm from France).
Could i ask you what racial is good for survival. I would like to be Zandalari for Regen and loa, or Vulpera for health pot, or High Mountain Tauren for vers bonus and physical attacks resistance.
I'm curious how you are getting 229 fps in dornagal?
Top-end PC I guess + not hanging around in the busy area.
haha had the same question, just saw he's rocking a 9800X3D and 4090
Great guide! In ST, when is a good time to use Queens Mandate? I struggle when to use this because if I use it right away then I have to wait a bit to do the proper opener due to trinket CD. And i feel if I can't utilize until after using Coord Assault due to Skardyns, its wasted? So trying to find a good time of when to use this on the opener.
@@Jubileo It doesn't scale off anything in your kit except for lunar storm and howl of the pack. So just make sure that all uses are with lunar storm active (as sentinel) or with 3 stacks of howl of the pack (pack leader). Coordinated Assault does not buff it.
Sometimes you overcap energy, how big of a dmg loss is that? I'm trying to fill as many Raptor strikes as possible but I have to delay important abilities by 1/2globals if not I overcap energy
@@asasdsaasda On aoe it's a total non-concern. On st it should be avoided. Nearly everything costs focus except kill command so you do not have to delay any "important abilities" to not focus cap.
One the best guidies I have ever seen. Thanks a lot for your effort
Remember that a pack is only as fast as its slowest dying mob, and on an AoE pack, Serpent Sting + Outland Venom is doing a lot of work to ensure that your primary target (which should nearly always be the highest Hp one)'s HP is going down as fast as possible, speeding up the pack significantly.
Single-target also makes up 30-50% of Mythic+ and the talents are insane for that.
The biggest thing I've learned from this was that there was a single target dummy on the roof of the tower of other dummies
Love the guide! I do have a bugging question.. are you a Dane?
@@Spankanoid Jep
@ I knew it! Me too 😄 thank you for the in depth guide. Been playing enhance with relatively ease but survival is whole other beast I must say 😅
how much the upcomming 26th nov nerf impact dps and the spec dps rank in m+ ? i just started to gearing and learning my survival hunter thanks for the video
2-3% depending on the scenario. Definitely not a welcome nerf but also doesn't change SV's standing much (still far off the meta).
@@Azortharion thnaks !
do the dots from sacbrood and harvesters interdiction count towards outland venom and stack?
@@codesouls4469 nop
Amazing video!
I have a question though, is it best to use skardyn’s trinket on the opener or sync it with bombardier ?
What i do is use the trinket 5seconds into coordinated assault then fury of the eagle, keep on the rotation, CA ends, explosive shot(bombardier), which explodes 1-2 seconds before the trinket timer is expired.
Is this the best way or better to just use it on pull?
Using it on the CA should be better. I suppose there are a few universes where, like you mention, if you can manage to hit the Bombardier instantly when CA ends, Tipped of course, and you pop Skardyn 4s into CA so that it will cover those 3 Explosives from Bombardier, that could be strong too.. But it's basically trading 3-4 globals of Skardyn coverage at the beginning of CA, for 3x ES' worth of Skardyn coverage. I think it's a wash.
Also worth keeping in mind that the nice thing about Bombardier is that you DON'T have to use it right after CA, you can save it for a future add spawn - hell, sometimes even your next CA. I do this most often on 2nd boss Necrotic Wake for example where CA lines up with the add phases very well.
Also something to be said for what is easier to do reliably.
Good thinking though and thanks for watching.
@@Azortharion Did not expect an explanation with this much details.. thats amazing man, love your content and appreciate your guides!
Is spamming KC when under 3tip stacks higher priority than keeping under 100 focus?
@@jonathanshu6859 on aoe, yes. On st, no
Great Video! Love it!
What about Stats in anyway ? I See so many ppl with different Stats , many go on Crit/Mastery , i tested it a few days ago and i dont know i dont fell like it was better ?
greetings
Does Tip of Spear affect Coordinated Assault?
@@LumaCinemas No (but Ca itself doesn't do meaningful damage anyway)
Amazing video, do you plan to do something simmilar about other specs ? Maybe BM for raiding ?
Possibly yeah. It's good practice for doing these when patches launch instead of weeks in.
really nice guide , but one thing that I've noticed, and correct me if I'm wrong is that the weakaura for lunar that says hold on bomb is not really accurate because its not counting the fact that butchery / explosive shot / auto attack or kill command is reducing Bomb CD or I'm wrong ?
@@MajidKetu That's correct, the weakaura doesn't take those things into account so a bit of manual calculation is still involved
What is the talent addon you have that reskins some features
ImprovedTalentLoadouts is probably what you mean.
Thanks allot for the guide. It helped me allot! You mind sharing your Weakaura Ui? It looks great! Keep it up
Linked in description! Here as well: uipacks.wago.io/pack/azorui
Thanks for watching.
First of all thank you for that really good guide! I like your videos!
The question is: When do i go for the Aoe Rotation instead of the ST Rotation? At 2 mobs 3 or more?
I think of >=3 targets as AoE, but honestly the differences between AoE and ST rotation within the same build are pretty subtle. The main differences between "AoE" and "ST" rotations are because you run different builds for each, typically, so I never really go into a pack and think "oh yeah this is an AoE rotation pack".
Amazing guide! Ty for that Azhor! Im ur sub on twitch already. I have a question: can i get only this effect of the bomb impact on enemy's health bars?
@@ongrockk Yep, you'd just install my style filters only when installing the ui
thanks i miss sv hunter thats why i level 1 recently from a certain SL season. omg i miss tier wilb bombs and carve is cooler!
Great video as usual, but there one thing I still would love to have clarified.
You say the Tip of the Spear stacks don't work like combo-points. Does that mean an ability does the same amount of damage if we use it with 1 vs 3 stacks?
If the dmg amp DOES stack, is it not always worth to get 3 stacks before using bombs, etc?
Hope my question makes sense.
That is correct. I demonstrate this and answer your question in explicit terms at around 10:25 onwards in the video.
@@Azortharion Yeah I watched it back a few times, but didn't understand it completely. Might just be too tired, klokken er jo mange.
Thanks for the clarification!
what do you think about the nerfs coming up?
@@S2kloveyou 2-3% depending on the scenario. Definitely not a welcome nerf but also doesn't change SV's standing much (still far off the meta).
What font is your UI? Looks clean
Gotham Narrow Ultra
I like playing things that dont neccesarily have to be meta. I love the guide but take a look at building around not using bombs. I have one going that im leveling on amd it makes the game play way more fun. Not sure it would be viable but it makes dungeons awesome. I basically run through packs using mongoose and dots.
What is the name of the toy that turns you into a tauren? - and nice vid bro
@@Nick-tp5us fire-watcher's oath. Thanks!
thanks
What’s your views on the nerfs coming in?
Doesn't seem like it will really make a difference. Based off of my own logs it should only be around 3% on sentinal build.
2-3% depending on the scenario. Definitely not a welcome nerf but also doesn't change SV's standing much (still far off the meta).
what's your tmog bro
Can check my armory and mouse over items to see. Not much to it. I mostly use the Fire-Watcher's Oath toy to look like that red tauren-y guy. worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Azortharion
super advanced.
Dude's so good he gets classic FPS in TWW.... what's the hardware you are using azor?
@@Airbag888 9800X3D + 4090
RIP MM Hunters, I will go down with you now and forever.
🐐
Hunter Sensei Azor!! I've been meaning to ask, which Tip of the Spear WA is that and which hunter WA do you use? Another awesome video even though it is simply a verbal walkthrough of your amazing guide :^) Edit: I found you hunter WA on IV. I still like your TofS wa better than the one I'm using!
@@ibMoose2u azorui, available to patrons and subs. My hunter wa is not on icyveins ;p
@@Azortharion Sorry, I meant Thyminde's pack you posted on IV. I forgot I'm a Patreon member, heading over now :^)
@@ibMoose2u Thyminde's is good too!
I sim over 150k dps less by using flanking strike over sulfur-lined pockets i don't think its worth taking at all it also doesn't feel like it synergises well imo.
Sims do not Tip Bombardier-ES's, so Flanking Strike is undersimming.
Sims also do not hold Bombardier-ES for larger packs or AoE, which is what Sulfur prevents.
Sims are a valuable tool when you understand how they work and what they do and what they take into account and what they don't.
Sulfur-Lined Pockets is competitive, it's just not optimal.
2.6 Mill total? Holy shit...
This is my rotation: swap to firemage. S1 is done, from now till next expac, fire is coming back. BM MM already a joke, survival got punished because enh assa fdk are good meanwhile all of these got "nerfed". What a clownfiesta
ANDDD
@@thesanchez11able aaaand!