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hey, im aways asking this, but no one ever gives me a answer, why GPU still have the I/O shield attached to the PCB instead of the heatsink structure? woudlnt that solve all the sagging , and pcie crack problems?
We need a B9xx or C9xx SKU as a balls to the wall throw everything at it halo card SKU that compete on performance with at least a 4080 or 5080 soon, give nvidia some real competition.
PLEASE let this play out well. This is the only 12 GB, 192-bit card in the market that's actually priced like a 12 GB, 192-bit card. Thanks for your work!
@@carry.websitethese sound highend ish to you? Will barely succeed in the mid range to me, will be good for low end and lower mid end just cause of price.
I really want Battlemage to be a success, not solely for the betterment of the industry and to upgrade from my GTX1070, but mainly because I think "Battlemage" is such a sick name for a GPU haha
Buy one if you want it to be a success. Only way it can be a success is if the consumer buys enough. Support Intel if you want them to keep making GPUs.
@@PhotoJohn80exactly, I might buy, test, make a small build then buy the b770. I'm on a 3070 so it wouldn't be an upgrade but AMD had their chances and ngreedia are just punks.
@@PhotoJohn80 Buy for yourself, you are the consumer. Wtf is wrong with people thinking they need to pay for a companies success. The company won't be at your funeral, or pay any of your death fees. I don't get the emotionally invested into corporations, they don't even know you or care to, just want profit margins and your $$$. I like Intel and 'hope' they are successful, but I'm not paying for it. Good luck Intel.
Arc are honestly the most exciting GPUs to come out since Polaris/Pascal. With Intel's financial woes, it's a bloody miracle Battlemage even made it out the door. I have an A770, which replaced an RX 480 a couple years ago. Drivers have come a long way. Still have a way to go, but here's a lot of potential there. If they can actually keep them affordable, these will be a killer budget option. Especially with a lot of disillusioned console gamers who are eyeing PC, but aren't yet ready to drop the big bucks.
@@MmntechCa It could still be a "the chips have been made a whole ago and they at least need to recoup some of what they spent on them" situation, instead of turning them back into sand. Fingers crossed they stick with it, they work and they continue to support their stuff, they need to say it
The saddest part is their woes mostly stem from heavily investing in building more FABs to help buff American chip making and each FAB is insanely expensive, about $10 billion per these days. I hope they continue with this and their current CPU strategy. While it may not be the overall best performer, the power and temp drop is a good move. We have gotten too used to our CPUs running insanely hot, even AMD. I miss the days when 60c was considered on the high end of hot for a CPU.
I never got to experience the early drivers, but I put one in my wife's rig a couple months ago and have had no issues so far. Decent performance and even plays older games just fine. I was expecting more issues.
@anoid3433 It's not about performance. You need to think bigger. EVGA is legendary for their customer service above all. They still have that reputation. If they started selling Intel cards, I'm certain many will sell based on that alone even if performance is a bit lacking compared to 40 series and 30 series.
I know you are talking about Windows but I feel the same on the Linux side of things. Intel GPUs are awful there too. Hopefully they improve at least at NVIDIA level. That’d be great.
@@DavideDavini I don't know abouit awful. My old linux Manjaro gaming rig had an A750. And it was able to handle pretty heavy blender renders. My aunt got me an 7900 xt as a graduation gift. So i did switch to that. But the A750 was okay. Not on AMD's level yet. But it was decent.
@ I’m talking about gaming, should have specified. I just read reports of people complaining about weird issues or even flat out complaining about not being able to run certain games. I don’t own one myself, just basing my opinion on what people say online. Cheers mate.
Steve really dropped the ball on this one... Battlemage is a perstige class that combines both melee dps and buff casting in one character, making it an ideal choice for a light party. Celestial are just a race so I'm not sure what Intel is planning for it, but they can be really good healers. Finally Druids are very good tanks, especially moon druid. Clearly intel is planing for the long term but im worried about their short term survivability.
@@MormonDude With wildshape it doesn't really matter since you need to go through the wildshape's hitpoints that are separate from the druid. Moon druids can wildshape as a bonus action, and can also use a bonus action while in wild shape to expend a spell slot to heal 1d8 per spell slot level.
@@MormonDude I love the Shepherd Druid, because your conjured creatures get stronger as you level. I didn't need to tank, my conjures did that for me.
Oh my god, a mid-range GPU with over 8 GB of RAM!!! Ohhh god oh somebody hold me up!! I think I'm going to pass out and fall over¡! I PROMISE that I woild buy 20 of these if they perform like promised. All of our current builds go out the door with a 1660, rx 5500 or a rtx 3060 ti. Thats like literally all we can afford at the time.
Here are some E options for Intel's GPU line: Enchanter, Elementalist and Elder. Let's just hope they make it to their 5th gen and beyond, and pose real competition to out of control Nvidia prices.
I got an A750 for my first ever PC build about 18 months ago and, while it has been testing at times, I would not have learned as much as I have about my PC and how to troubleshoot if I had gone for something else. The driver updates were always exciting and, I have to say, Intel's support has been amazing the entire time. I'm definitely considering upgrading to a B580 if the reviews are good.
Not really back in 2022 I believe you could get 6700xt with 12gb for about $280-$300 also 6700 10gb. so you had something similar for a little bit extra money almost 3 years ago.
still slow obsolete crap that improves a bit on current x3-4 times overprice and 0 progress. and shills have a festival in comments like its some kind of miracle
before mining 300usd GPUs could run any game max settings 1440p 80-100fps. now the 2Kusd 4090 unable to do more than 52 fps in alan woke 2 @1440p. rtx is a 6 y.o. tech.
@@rawdez_ my R9 390@1.25Ghz from 2015 was only 50% slower than a RTX 4060 and roughly the same price... that is a 5% performance gain per year. I have to add, 300W vs 115W. Still laughable for a 9 year gap.
@@rawdez_ So can they run any recently released game at 100 frames per second? They must be the recommended cards for playing Alan Wake 2 if they're that fast.
Judging by the price point and the RT performance this thing might OWN the lower end of the stack. Intel could be about to do the market a huge service by making all the Nvidia and AMD crap that they tend to push out as their terrible low end products obsolete. I hope intel wipes them both out of the sub 400 market as they both deserve to get rolled up. Simultaneously I hope AMD does the same thing to the mid range with the 8800xt.
@ I’m cautiously optimistic, but I’ll wait until we see 3rd party benchmark results and software compatibility reports. It won’t be the first time a company claimed incredible performance results in their own slide deck that completely fell apart once the hardware got into the reviewers’ hands.
I dunno as someone that has to fix other peoples mistakes/missold gpu issues I only see confusion in the don't know very much so want something cheap mass market.
I really liked that frame analysis slide. I hope we get to see more of these, i feel like i'm learning something when i see data presented in new fun ways, and that makes me want to support them.
They shaved a total of 6.32ms on that one frame. Extrapolate that 19.33ms/frame = 51.7FPS, 13.01ms = 76.86FPS so potentially a 24FPS increase. The comparison was 20 XE2-core B580 vs 28 XE1-core A750 so 32 XE2 core B770 is going to be very impressive gain. A lot of that gain might come from higher frequency though, about 750Mhz faster. I hope B770 comes out in January.
To understand their reasoning behind the naming convention, it is crutial to realize that they are not D&D classes, they are from Pathfinder! They are using alternative TTRPG system, to underline the point that they are alternative to established names like nvidia & amd (so so meta). They can get Crusader at third generation and this way will get somewhat competent tank and a healer combo. I mean, it is not perfect party, but it could work.
If those Intel drivers are more universally compatible and the card does not crash… that will be a gigantic success. The GPU and CPU market needs a strong Intel.
Their drivers have been great for over a year. They also don't crash. Where are you even getting info? Ive been running stalker 2 at 1440p with an A750, been using it since last November. Had like. 2 issues, logged a complaint, and their literal entire team reached out to me, and solved the issue in like 2 days.
I enjoy design of these first party Intel cards a lot. They don't scream "gaming", it's just a sleek brick. That blue "Titan" card is also pretty. Finally
@@peterlustig6888Nvidia specifically is super predatory. Anyone who has any decent idea or startup in their space and they squash them. Then, take the idea for themselves. They have been caught multiple times committing corporate espionage. They are funded nearly to infinity by governments. Honestly, we would all be better off if all these companies were broken up under monopoly laws. Also, the intel is looking to be the best price/performance available. If specs and prices are to believed.
I'm sad Pat's gone, and the rest of the culture and board directors remain at the company. In my opinion, as an outsider, he was not the main problem with Intel
7600xt 16GB is not that far(+25%) in price.... but you dont rly need 16GB on "this slow" GPU - for 1080p you will never use even 10GB, and for 1440p+ performance of 7600xt is barelly 60fps on rasterization, with raytracing it is 20-30fps... (4060ti 16GB is scam, not worth mentioning, 1440p gpu is $500+ gpus 4070+) and previous generation of Intel GPUs have problem with performance - in many tasks CPU with 8-cores works faster than Intel GPU with 16GB vram....
Running an ARC A770 16GB VRAM paired with a 12900K CPU. LOVE IT! Waiting on the B770 to release. Hopefully they bump up the VRAM from 16GB to 20GB or 24GB.
@@GreyDeathVaccine yup. Even Jayz2cents. He built a PC for his nephew a while back and was in Microcenter looking at GPUs and said, "oh there's an AMD card, it's cheaper and faster than the Nvidia one....but i'm still going to get Nvidia."
I had a a 770 for about a month had a flip that took a while to sell so I thought I would give it a test drive I really didn't have any issues minus having to ddu to Intel interface once and reinstall drivers never figured out what caused that issue but it was easy to fix as for proformance 1440p seemed to run at 60+ on all major titles Ray tracing worked surprisingly good tho
8:00 I actually agree with the 1440p approach. 1080p has been enough for a decade now, but the next step up is becoming more obtainable these days, and with motion clarity and image sharpness being ever important in competitive games, 1440p might very well be considered the competitive standard by now, or at least it will be eventually. I think it’s a great idea to sell affordable graphics cards with the intent on targeting the most competitive spaces. This marketing is meant to be a reassurance for competitive gamers on a budget. A 165hz 1440p monitor new is just as affordable as an intel GPU now.
Well the lower end cards from the other two companies are gimped at higher resolution because of the memory bandwidth limitations. Thats why in an edge case the 3060 (can't remember which variant performs on par with a 4060 ( can't remember which variant)
The next monitor I am buying is a 100hz 1440p, just because I often find myself wanting visual clarity over higher refresh rates that my 6600 xt barely hit.
it seems they went for 1440p just to have higher numbers than nVidia, becasue of their cheaping out on the memory. For me the biggest disadvantage of 1440p is the increase in price for GPU to be at target fps, not the price of the monitor.
Regular driver updates for GPUs with abysmal sales are a pretty good indicator, also Xe cores are in mobile so they are committed as any company gets these days.
Very true. This is all early 2000s vibes where dGPU were trying to get stable for games and slowly rising with performance uplifts. I too want some commitment or official pipeline of future developments and we got a good competition. To be honest, they should try to sell these GPUs in India where people pay 350 USD for 4060 and that is the most selling card. If B580 can sell at actual price which they can do as they sell CPUs at right price, then the will earn back a lot and it will help their future budget.
@nimrodery THEY need to speak out for themselves, lay out the future plans and show more than just one guy as the GPU team. The pure belief of fanbois means nothing. Churches run on pure belief.
@@TheSickness There's no GPU team, they all work in different departments as of a couple years ago. GPU development is a subset of other departments, like AI. It's actually a good thing because GPU development ends up being subsidized by other endeavors, which takes the pressure off for market adoption. I'm not worried about NVidia's "team" even though I usually just see one guy in a leather jacket talking about how cool games are.
They have learned an amazing amount about building GPUs and it seems like they have a plan to increase each iteration until they catch up to the big two. They still have a long way to go but its still great progress.
I hope the battalemage GPU reviews have a larger plethora of games to test. Hopefully spread across a decade or two to test stability with older games as you said. This could be something that flies under the radar until it pops up in a subreddit or a tweet
13:25 I really appreciate the display countdown timer line(there is probably a less clunky description for it.) It has been present on all the chart slides in this video. It's a really great solution for a gripe only a small number of people probably have. I haven't noticed it on previous videos, forgive me if they were present before this video.
Great news honestly. Didn't expect it to release next week already. I really hope Intel keeps their GPU department. The software improvements we saw on the Arc series up to this point look very promising and more competition os obviously better for us consumers. The low and lower mid-range market wasn't very well taken care of by Nvidia and AMD in the recent few years. At least not at MSRP. So I'm hoping to see something decent in the 150$ ranger later on.
I think the last good mid - range card was the RX 5700 depending on the model $329 - $359, later on I sold mine for $700, bought the overpriced RTX 3070 for $759 and still have that one.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 depends on how we define mid-range, but I would say lower-mid starts at around 200, and upper mid-range nowadays sadly stops at maybe 500-550? If you define it by price instead of performance. I bought a 3060ti at release for the MSRP of 400, which was really a great deal at that price... Sold my Vega 56 for waaayyyyy too much due to mining. For the last months the RX 6000 series had some good cards in that price range as well. And I agree the 5700(XT) were decent, at least when they ironed out the driver issues. Also the GTX 1060/1070(ti),1660S plus RX 470/480/570/580 had awesome prices at some points between 2017 and 2019 when they were not heavily inflated by mining... The 8GB 580 was down to 100$ at times and the 1060/6 around 130$. They would've been considered mid-range at the time I'd say.
@maxweinbach3996 I went from 5600xt to a770le 16gb and don't regret it at all. It was a bit finicky at first but these days it's trading blows with 3070 and works really well for upscaling to 4k with decently high settings on most games.
I had an a580 for a while and it was honestly usable! Only thing that made me move back to amd was VR performance. Sounds like Intel is going to work through the growing pains and eventually have something good.
They could still use Battlemage forever with clever naming like Supreme Battlemage, Red Battlemage, Clan Battlemage, Battlemage of the 7th Order, Heretical Battlemage of the Black Dragon a.s.o.
Wow, a little hate.. No, I use w10 and play a few modern titles at 2k. It didn't start out perfect... I didn't expect it to. Everything runs fine.. a fair bit faster than wife's rtx3060..
Here's to hoping the benchmarks pan out. They got B series out before Nvidia 5000 series, AMD 8000 series, and in time for the holidays at least, so there is a chance for a much-needed win for Intel here.
STEVE, can we please get a session like this with NVIDIA and AMD's representatives (regarding their GPU tech) as well please. I enjoyed watching this video from start to finish, it's just so interesting. Watching the companies own people talk about it is nice, but having them conversate with you makes the video so much better.
This. There's rumors the flagships have production problems, but I'm so sick of the higher end GPU market right now, I really hope Intel can sort it out. I'd love to upgrade from the usual affordable mid-range AMD card to something beasty without throwing out all sense of value out of the window and I'd happily do it with Intel if they nail it and shake up that segment.
@@riyuiwashere yeah I don't think Intel is aiming for high end yet. Hopefully just affordable efficient cards. Intel wanted to charge way more for the A770, the build quality alone feels like it was targeting $700, not $320. I'm just afraid eventually we will have 3 companies charging around $2,000 for their highest cards and just small changes down the line...
@@Eldejot considering that my A770 has 16GB and this is a generational uplift, I would be shocked if they didn't release the B700 cards with 16GB. I wouldn't even be surprised if they released the flagship with more than that, since they know high vram is appealing (nvidia) and they want market share.
I think that the B580 is actually a pretty competitive GPU... in a very narrow market segment. Personally, I'm disappointed that they haven't even hinted at an A770 successor, and will be waiting and hoping that there will be. That's what I was actually excited for, and would definitely shell out for.
I ended up getting an A770 on sale to fill in a blank slot on a PC made out of leftover parts (the kind of scenario Steve references in the video) and I was so pleased with it. Didn't bump into any major driver issues and the performance for the price was really good. If the price and performance scale as they did last time the 780 could make a lot of sense for mid-price builds. I don't know how narrow the segment for these 200 bucks cards is, though. As in, I legitimately have no idea. These days it seems it's all either absurd megamachines burning a small solar farm's worth of energy... or handhelds and laptops on integrated GPUs. I don't know if it's just me building hand-me-down PCs out of scraps or building desktop gaming PCs on a budget or what. The market is all weird now.
When Alchemist released they only released the A750 and A770 at first, with the 5 series coming about six months later. They had dropped the price of the A750 to about $249 by the time the A580 came out, so they really had to release it well below $200. I think they will see where the B580 goes before setting prices on the 7 series Battlemage cards. I have had an A770 LE since about six months after launch, I have had a great experience with it, but I put it into a system with a 12600kf and DDR5, and don't really play a lot of DX11 games.
considering Intel's current situation, they might went like "let's see how these perform on the market, and if sales are good, we'll launch B770. otherwise, we'll cancel our dGPUs alltogether"
@@esaedvik Budget has three common definitions: to plan expenditures, to be of a low cost, or to purchase within a specified price range. Congrats on identifying one (1) definition of the word. We're all extremely proud of you, gold star. Heisenberg was talking about the second definition. I hope that helps. Let me know if you're still (SOMEHOW????) confused.
The cooler choices leave me baffled with the TGP listed..why?! Some 4090 Board cards easily cool 400W like its nothing while being silent af. I gotta say tho, that OC-Residency slide impressed me deeply. That gives an insight to lesser experienced people that simply cranking some sliders might not result in significant increases to performance because of the various limits. Very nice to see! The more OC support, the more attractive a GPU/CPU becomes imho. Would be really nice to see what Steve and Joe can get out of one of those cards.
I took a chance on an Intel Arc A750 last year. Any issue I had was fixed by their team quickly, and I've had damn near no issues to begin with. I would absolutely buy an Intel gpu again. Day 1 drivers aren't an issue at all anymore. And these cards punch way above their weight.
Can second this, my A770 earlier this year gave me no problems at the start, and then the one game specific issue I had was fixed in just a few weeks after reporting it to the driver team. Definitely sticking with Arc if they keep this up.
To steer clear of casters, we could see Crusader and Dragon before Fighter ...couldn't think of anything better for E besides Evoker...maybe Eloquence? Esper? Either way, they're still casters... I do love Intel using letters to indicate generations rather than numbers. Makes the tiers easier to describe instead of saying things like "the 90 family" or "900 series within the 7000 series". Still got the "one digit is perpetually 0" problem though.
*bae has a big question, bae uses the intel iris Xe dg {asus} card to install on the celeron PC on bae channel,bae download the graphic card driver on the shengqi page. When only that card is plugged in, the screen is black. But when plugged in with Arc a750 (only plug the riser into the pcie with the auxiliary power cord, not plugging in the display output) plug in the display output by display port of the iris vga, the pc can be used and it is still receiving iris. The graphic Xe can use so much %, i also tested the card loading 100%, and the arc does not plug in the display output so in gpu 2 it says 0%. That means my celeron PC is definitely using the iris card. But bae does not understand that since til now,i still cannot let the machine run on only the iris card every time i remove the arc, the screen is black even though it is clearly not plugging in any kind of display and using display by Asus iris dg. Bae asked a lot of people in Vietnam but it seems like only I have encountered this situation in my country. I hope someone has an answer to help me because since then I have tried many ways like changing the pcie slot or trying to insert a different card with iris but nothing is working. If you knows the sistuation or anyone who capable of dealing with this, please contact f.b bae bê*
For 250 and rtx 4060 level of preformance and 12gb of vram AMAZING deal if Intel works on driver's and ai upscaling and also availability Intel looks like to bounce back to the market very strong
Everyone should advertise for intel's gpu at this point, tell your gamer friends to buy intel gpu, supporting intel right now would be great for the gaming community.
@@johnnyringo35 So is the 4060 that they are comparing them to. And these Intel cards will be challenged not by the 4060 but the 5060 for most of their lifespan.
@@pjavilla While I agree with that, it would have been better if the performance leaned closer to 7600xt/4060ti. Given that new gen is coming out soon, and especially given that Amd is probably going to be more competitive at lower/mid end, that would have made the deal much better.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 The 5060 will probably be a scam at $350+ with 8gb vram and performance in between 4060 and 4060ti. I'm now actually hoping Nvidia to go nuts and price 50 series double that of the 40 series so that almost nobody buy them anymore.
As someone that has relied on a a750 for about a year I would highly recommend it I have yet to have a issue with it on any games I play I could just be lucky but it’s a amazing gpu and very capable in my opinion and I absolutely love it
It would be both very funny and very cool if Intel does actually pull it off and comes in swinging with actually good budget RT cards that beat NVidia. I'm rooting for them, more competition is never a bad thing.
I wish there was some way Intel and AMD could band together in an 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' way to prop up AMD CPU's and Intel GPU's, all in an effort to put pressure on NVidia and... I guess ARM architecture in the consumer CPU space?
I mean budget RT GPU sounds like fun, but I question that RT is all that relevant for cards of this class. I mean the 4060 can theoretically do it if it doesn't run out of VRAM, but mostly on games where RT is not a worthwhile visual upgrade for the perf cost. Most games with serious RT that may be worth enabling are basically unplayable with RT on a 4060 class card. Unless you dial down quality settings, which doesn't make much sense of best visuals are your goal.
I for one absolutely LOVE that intel is making another set of GPUs that are affordable and deliver solid performance. With that said, these cards are going to get sunked when the new AMD and Nvidia cards come out. But, for now, they are the best bang for the buck in the market. I will still wait a little while to get one tho. Intel has a....history of needing driver updates.
I feel like im being negative, but this would be so much more interesting if it had came out 6 months ago. RDNA4 coming out in a month deflates the room a LOT if this is comparing itself to the likes of the RX 7600
Yeah…and the 4060 is a 3060 realistically…not raising the bar at all, apart from the 260$ good price point…but that’s the price the 4060 should’ve had 2 years ago. Plus no point in RT being good if the cars consume like cards 2x more powerful than it. If AMD really is moving to monolithic RDNA3 design + improved RT pipeline and if really they are focusing only on mid to low range these cards are screwed in one month…
@@GreyDeathVaccine It's not a matter of how it consumes per se...it's a matter compared to the competition at the same price. If they need bigger wafer and more power to deliver a mid/low range product they won't be able to scale to the high end. Alchemist suffered from this problem, if Battlemage doesn't improve on that front it's going to be carnage in January...because we are talking about offering the performance of a 4yo card (yeah, the 4060 performs like the 3060 apart from RT) at a price that the card was supposed to have 3 years ago, not a good look and not something that can help pushing the market in the way we consumers need...
"had came" LOL If BaTtLeMaGe can come (the past/future participle of come) out before the economic collapse starting 1/20, they'll be at a huge advantage over parts shipping after that.
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5:39 I always appreciate the little extras in the edits - sometimes subtle, sometimes not so, but always nicely done. I kind of imagine a Metal Gear 'alert' sound and a close up on your face might have been the cherry on the editing cake to accompany the dice CU, but now I'm just nerding out in my own fantasy edit now 😁
5:28 Jesus so when they say it's "outperforming 4060" I guess it's with tears in their eyes. They paid the cost of almost a 4070ti to compete with a 4060 at almost 2x the power...
If what's promised is true this is going to be my first gpu in in more than 12 years, I have always been a apu guy due to gpu and computer electronics being so damn expensive over here. This will like finding water in the desert for us, thank you intel!
From a Computer Store and A580 owner: I have an Arc A580 and the drivers are not at the point where I can recommend it to the masses. I bought it to support Intel and it plays PUBG competitively when compared to the then-priced rx 6600. Arc A580 was $20 less. For my clients, I cannot recommend Arc until they fix their drivers. They have improved A TON but not at the point yet I can recommend them. I am currently building mostly AMD Radeon based gaming computers and a few Nvidia. In terms of B580 pricing, for people who just want to game and not worry about the drivers, I see them spending an extra $50-$80 for the 7600 XT 16 GB. I believe the B580 needs to be at $200 for people who are cautious about Intel Arc to buy them. That's not to say I wouldn't myself, but I am okay dealing with their driver problems. That puts me in the minority. Nevertheless, if you're considering Intel and don't mind, please give them money to keep the executives happy and ARC around. I do want them to be competitive but the B580 pricing is high and I have a gut feeling reviews are going to say the same thing after they test them themselves and it'll be for a niece market for people like me.
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no please whats with the code you good?
snowflake please check in on the team
hey, im aways asking this, but no one ever gives me a answer, why GPU still have the I/O shield attached to the PCB instead of the heatsink structure?
woudlnt that solve all the sagging , and pcie crack problems?
If they survive for five generations they get a healer but they will be dead by then so the healer won't have anything to do
Druids are also healers, come on! ;)
We need a B9xx or C9xx SKU as a balls to the wall throw everything at it halo card SKU that compete on performance with at least a 4080 or 5080 soon, give nvidia some real competition.
PLEASE let this play out well. This is the only 12 GB, 192-bit card in the market that's actually priced like a 12 GB, 192-bit card. Thanks for your work!
I'm buying 2 for some high-endish budget builds
which is good at 1440p and RT, this is what 4060 should have been
We should wait for B770 version
@@CahyoPrabowoNah, low-end gamers need a win
@@carry.websitethese sound highend ish to you? Will barely succeed in the mid range to me, will be good for low end and lower mid end just cause of price.
Holy shit, affordable GPUs.
Agreed. Hopefully they're good.
Nvidia and Amd keep milking their fan bases because being a loyalest screws over everyone
DOA, they're on par with 2021 gpus
LET'S GOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@Erksah02 i doubt that but we'll see.
Intel's GPU division is on fire rn, while their CPU division is "on fire"
The "Reverse AMD"
god i hope the GPU division cooks with thermite in the coming years, they need a win
@@TokeBoisenAMD 2008-2013 literally
True.
To be honest they honored my RMA for 13900KS and the new one is ROCK SOLID. I love it!
I really want Battlemage to be a success, not solely for the betterment of the industry and to upgrade from my GTX1070, but mainly because I think "Battlemage" is such a sick name for a GPU haha
Buy one if you want it to be a success. Only way it can be a success is if the consumer buys enough. Support Intel if you want them to keep making GPUs.
@@PhotoJohn80exactly, I might buy, test, make a small build then buy the b770. I'm on a 3070 so it wouldn't be an upgrade but AMD had their chances and ngreedia are just punks.
How dare you apply logic on us? Nono, YOU guys buy them
@@PhotoJohn80 Buy for yourself, you are the consumer. Wtf is wrong with people thinking they need to pay for a companies success. The company won't be at your funeral, or pay any of your death fees. I don't get the emotionally invested into corporations, they don't even know you or care to, just want profit margins and your $$$. I like Intel and 'hope' they are successful, but I'm not paying for it. Good luck Intel.
@@PhotoJohn80I'd buy if the uplift between a b7** is a big enough change from my a770.
I LOVE the zoom in when the DnD rant starts. We noticed production!
hahaha, Vitalii added that! He'll appreciate this comment.
And Steve is right!
Why C is celestial, a race, and not Cleric. At least the party would have a healer and half tank until F
@@GamersNexus WINDOWS 11 has a local account toggle switch Steve, you & Wendell should make a correction, for the gamerz broski!
@@ElektronDeForza that's what I was wondering.....no Cleric?
@@A_GWAKwork_Orange or Barbarian. But I'm not gonna lie......Battlemage sounds badass
Despite their other issues, congratulations and kudos to Intel for entering the GPU market and moving so quickly to a competitive level.
Not that hard when TSMC starts producing your hardware as well
It would be competitive if the fkn drivers are good and the gpu works with more than half the games ppl own.....
Arc are honestly the most exciting GPUs to come out since Polaris/Pascal. With Intel's financial woes, it's a bloody miracle Battlemage even made it out the door. I have an A770, which replaced an RX 480 a couple years ago. Drivers have come a long way. Still have a way to go, but here's a lot of potential there. If they can actually keep them affordable, these will be a killer budget option. Especially with a lot of disillusioned console gamers who are eyeing PC, but aren't yet ready to drop the big bucks.
@@MmntechCa It could still be a "the chips have been made a whole ago and they at least need to recoup some of what they spent on them" situation, instead of turning them back into sand. Fingers crossed they stick with it, they work and they continue to support their stuff, they need to say it
The saddest part is their woes mostly stem from heavily investing in building more FABs to help buff American chip making and each FAB is insanely expensive, about $10 billion per these days.
I hope they continue with this and their current CPU strategy. While it may not be the overall best performer, the power and temp drop is a good move. We have gotten too used to our CPUs running insanely hot, even AMD. I miss the days when 60c was considered on the high end of hot for a CPU.
I never got to experience the early drivers, but I put one in my wife's rig a couple months ago and have had no issues so far. Decent performance and even plays older games just fine. I was expecting more issues.
I also have an A770 for over a year now. Do you also have insanely loud coil whine or is it just mine lol
@robertdevald I think that's down to the specific card.
An actual 3rd playyyer in the GPU market would be so good
Except if as Steve predicts Intel takes AMD market share while Nvidia remains the only known manufacturer to 99% of gamers
lol , funny hopes
It's not so good when the guy with a monopoly has all the market 😂😂 trying to survive will be hard and come out with good prices and stock
@@realsleepi Why would they? Consoles have gone well. Their next gen coming up.
@@Vantrakteramd is pulling out of the high end gpu market, myb
Imagine if EVGA started making Intel GPUs. Massive benefit to all parties involved.
They could re-release their 10 year old GPU's and still beat Intels.
@anoid3433 It's not about performance. You need to think bigger. EVGA is legendary for their customer service above all. They still have that reputation. If they started selling Intel cards, I'm certain many will sell based on that alone even if performance is a bit lacking compared to 40 series and 30 series.
I miss EVGA
All about the drivers, and how stable performance is between games.
That'll definitely be the bulk of the review work!
I know you are talking about Windows but I feel the same on the Linux side of things. Intel GPUs are awful there too. Hopefully they improve at least at NVIDIA level. That’d be great.
@@DavideDavini I don't know abouit awful. My old linux Manjaro gaming rig had an A750. And it was able to handle pretty heavy blender renders. My aunt got me an 7900 xt as a graduation gift. So i did switch to that.
But the A750 was okay. Not on AMD's level yet. But it was decent.
@ I’m talking about gaming, should have specified. I just read reports of people complaining about weird issues or even flat out complaining about not being able to run certain games.
I don’t own one myself, just basing my opinion on what people say online.
Cheers mate.
Can't wait for GN reviews on these cards
Steve really dropped the ball on this one...
Battlemage is a perstige class that combines both melee dps and buff casting in one character, making it an ideal choice for a light party.
Celestial are just a race so I'm not sure what Intel is planning for it, but they can be really good healers.
Finally Druids are very good tanks, especially moon druid.
Clearly intel is planing for the long term but im worried about their short term survivability.
Druids only have a D6 hit die, you can only be so tanky with a D6 hit die.
company board is the problem. pat's plan was working okish. but to fire him only in 4 years is pure bullshit
I was going to say Battle Mages are close combat in most fantasy genres (and I’d assume D&D) as well. lol
Glad someone else caught it .
@@MormonDude With wildshape it doesn't really matter since you need to go through the wildshape's hitpoints that are separate from the druid. Moon druids can wildshape as a bonus action, and can also use a bonus action while in wild shape to expend a spell slot to heal 1d8 per spell slot level.
@@MormonDude I love the Shepherd Druid, because your conjured creatures get stronger as you level. I didn't need to tank, my conjures did that for me.
Oh my god, a mid-range GPU with over 8 GB of RAM!!! Ohhh god oh somebody hold me up!! I think I'm going to pass out and fall over¡! I PROMISE that I woild buy 20 of these if they perform like promised. All of our current builds go out the door with a 1660, rx 5500 or a rtx 3060 ti. Thats like literally all we can afford at the time.
I just got flashbacks from 2016 when 1070 launched. Admittedly it's a stretch to call it mid range but holy beans that was 8+ years ago.
not mid range bud, bottom of the range, mid range is now 4070 and 4070 super
1:50 after F they get Fighter and then a G for a Gelsinger... ...oh wait.
oh...
@@GamersNexus Too soon?
Gunslinger is his nickname 😉
F is obviously the Framerater class 😂
P is for Papa
Here are some E options for Intel's GPU line: Enchanter, Elementalist and Elder. Let's just hope they make it to their 5th gen and beyond, and pose real competition to out of control Nvidia prices.
I think Ent could be a tank class (weak against fire, though)
Elementalist is the coolest there, lots of cool factor injected into that one by Guild Wars.
Ecstasy
100% elementalist
They can always play a hybrid class like the Eldritch Knight. No tank but at least can hold a sword
I got an A750 for my first ever PC build about 18 months ago and, while it has been testing at times, I would not have learned as much as I have about my PC and how to troubleshoot if I had gone for something else. The driver updates were always exciting and, I have to say, Intel's support has been amazing the entire time. I'm definitely considering upgrading to a B580 if the reviews are good.
What about games ? I mean have you played new games on it? How does it work?
4060+ performance with 12gb vram at $249 seems like a pretty solid offering. Let's hope everything just works and that these cards can be recommended.
Not really back in 2022 I believe you could get 6700xt with 12gb for about $280-$300 also 6700 10gb. so you had something similar for a little bit extra money almost 3 years ago.
Which would make it like 15% faster than a 5700 xt from 5.5 years ago at the same power consumption... As a new purchace, it's a 1080p card at best.
@@وليدحسيناشتيوي Excet XeSS is an actually good upscaler
@@وليدحسيناشتيوي Theoretically, if you could get the card you were after in stock, and at MSRP
@@Oneiric_Benevolence but they're specifically chasing optimization at 1440p and from the sounds of it, they're handling raytracing better than AMD.
The price has me instantly intrigued
Yep this indeed.
still slow obsolete crap that improves a bit on current x3-4 times overprice and 0 progress. and shills have a festival in comments like its some kind of miracle
before mining 300usd GPUs could run any game max settings 1440p 80-100fps. now the 2Kusd 4090 unable to do more than 52 fps in alan woke 2 @1440p. rtx is a 6 y.o. tech.
@@rawdez_ my R9 390@1.25Ghz from 2015 was only 50% slower than a RTX 4060 and roughly the same price... that is a 5% performance gain per year. I have to add, 300W vs 115W. Still laughable for a 9 year gap.
@@rawdez_ So can they run any recently released game at 100 frames per second? They must be the recommended cards for playing Alan Wake 2 if they're that fast.
My experience with A380 and A750 (both on Linux) has been great. If they launch at those price points I will certainly be upgrading.
what distro? was setup easy?
More options in the lower market segment are always welcome!
Judging by the price point and the RT performance this thing might OWN the lower end of the stack. Intel could be about to do the market a huge service by making all the Nvidia and AMD crap that they tend to push out as their terrible low end products obsolete. I hope intel wipes them both out of the sub 400 market as they both deserve to get rolled up. Simultaneously I hope AMD does the same thing to the mid range with the 8800xt.
@ I’m cautiously optimistic, but I’ll wait until we see 3rd party benchmark results and software compatibility reports. It won’t be the first time a company claimed incredible performance results in their own slide deck that completely fell apart once the hardware got into the reviewers’ hands.
@RN1441 how? It's a glorified 4060? Intel a generation behind yet again.😂
I dunno as someone that has to fix other peoples mistakes/missold gpu issues I only see confusion in the don't know very much so want something cheap mass market.
@@05DonnieB Its cheaper & better as shown in video
I mean, a Druid is technically a caster but if he Wild Shapes into a bear of some sort they work wonderfully as a tank.
And they can also shift into a heavy coin operated drink machine from the 80's, so they can heal too.
and with Shillelagh, they can be a good melee unit
You mean that druid from Baldurs' Gate that turned himself into a bear?
Wild shape into a bear gives really good DPS as well at lower levels
Playing too much WOW. :)
I really liked that frame analysis slide. I hope we get to see more of these, i feel like i'm learning something when i see data presented in new fun ways, and that makes me want to support them.
They shaved a total of 6.32ms on that one frame. Extrapolate that 19.33ms/frame = 51.7FPS, 13.01ms = 76.86FPS so potentially a 24FPS increase.
The comparison was 20 XE2-core B580 vs 28 XE1-core A750 so 32 XE2 core B770 is going to be very impressive gain. A lot of that gain might come from higher frequency though, about 750Mhz faster.
I hope B770 comes out in January.
It's not to late for Celestial to become Cleric so they can have a good healer.
Intel needs a good healing.
Hope we can we get a good DPS healer
@@thetheoryguy5544 sexual healing
To understand their reasoning behind the naming convention, it is crutial to realize that they are not D&D classes, they are from Pathfinder! They are using alternative TTRPG system, to underline the point that they are alternative to established names like nvidia & amd (so so meta). They can get Crusader at third generation and this way will get somewhat competent tank and a healer combo. I mean, it is not perfect party, but it could work.
But C is already named Celestial.
@@IcyTorment Nooooo, that's some homebrew crap. :(
@@DuckandBalls Arab market?
Yikes.
You definitely have to include the 1080TI in the benchmarks for the comparison for the Intel GPU's!
And my beloved EVGA 1070 SC!
@@progenitor_amborella The EVGA 1070 SC has been the GOAT for me, lasted me so long before I upgraded, I still use it in one of my test rigs.
If those Intel drivers are more universally compatible and the card does not crash… that will be a gigantic success. The GPU and CPU market needs a strong Intel.
Their drivers have been great for over a year. They also don't crash. Where are you even getting info? Ive been running stalker 2 at 1440p with an A750, been using it since last November. Had like. 2 issues, logged a complaint, and their literal entire team reached out to me, and solved the issue in like 2 days.
@@jordankelly4684i didnt have to do that with nvidia 😂
I enjoy design of these first party Intel cards a lot. They don't scream "gaming", it's just a sleek brick. That blue "Titan" card is also pretty.
Finally
Well, to be fair, first party Vega 7 card was a looker, I all forgot about those.
I really hope these sell great. We NEED more competition in the GPU space.
"But we will still all buy Nvidia anyway"
I wont. I buy the product with the best Price to performance Ratio. Why should I care if my graphic card is from NVIDIA or not?
@@peterlustig6888Nvidia specifically is super predatory. Anyone who has any decent idea or startup in their space and they squash them. Then, take the idea for themselves. They have been caught multiple times committing corporate espionage. They are funded nearly to infinity by governments. Honestly, we would all be better off if all these companies were broken up under monopoly laws. Also, the intel is looking to be the best price/performance available. If specs and prices are to believed.
I freaking love the editing whenever steve goes off tangent the slow zoom in and sometime out right cutting him off a joke LOL
If Intel can get the drivers in check and pricing to disrupt the market like AMD did for the RX480, Battlemage could a budget PC gamers dream.
Drivers have been fine for a year. Stop beating a dead horse, jesus you fucking broken records
I'm sad Pat's gone, and the rest of the culture and board directors remain at the company. In my opinion, as an outsider, he was not the main problem with Intel
bring swan back XD
They need to address the composition issue. Celestial doesn't even quite properly fit the convention. Make it cleric. Fixed.
Make it CHAOS series.
@@Psyger_ Not after all that's going on with Intel. Think they want to stay far away from that name.
@@thetheoryguy5544 😂😂😂 FR
@@Psyger_ RAYS FOR THE RAY GOD. CORES FOR THE CORE THRONE.
The price looks right, the b580 is probably the only new 12g card for 250. I hope it goes well.
7600xt 16GB is not that far(+25%) in price.... but you dont rly need 16GB on "this slow" GPU - for 1080p you will never use even 10GB, and for 1440p+ performance of 7600xt is barelly 60fps on rasterization, with raytracing it is 20-30fps... (4060ti 16GB is scam, not worth mentioning, 1440p gpu is $500+ gpus 4070+)
and previous generation of Intel GPUs have problem with performance - in many tasks CPU with 8-cores works faster than Intel GPU with 16GB vram....
Yea the whole vram thing is so overblown l. Why do people waslnt 16gb on a 1080p card@Morimea
@@Morimea 16 gb on 7600xt is not worth while but on 7800xt it is worth it. 7800xt is comparable to 4070. and 7800xt is bit cheaper
@@SPG8989 Uh upscaling?
@Morimea 25% is alot if you're looking for a budget card
Running an ARC A770 16GB VRAM paired with a 12900K CPU. LOVE IT! Waiting on the B770 to release. Hopefully they bump up the VRAM from 16GB to 20GB or 24GB.
12GB on a 250$ GPU. Nvidia pull out your notes
and yet the 5060 8GB will still outsell it 1000-1, more probably
@@mightychev As sheeple do.
@@GreyDeathVaccine yup. Even Jayz2cents. He built a PC for his nephew a while back and was in Microcenter looking at GPUs and said, "oh there's an AMD card, it's cheaper and faster than the Nvidia one....but i'm still going to get Nvidia."
sadly they dont need to the neanderthal nvidia followers will tell you that 8gb is gonna be fine for the next 10 years.
@@mightychevyeah i agree and i don’t understand how anyone is buying 8gb in 2024
Ya gotta give it to Intel, their GPUs are super pretty.
Honestly I have a huge soft spot for the 30- and 40-series Nvidia FE cards. Intel doesn't have a chance.
they are but unfortunately the reason why is they just glue it together. So very hard to dissasemble, repair etc.
Theyre also comparatively thin. I like the looks of em, but ill stick to my 7900xt.
@@mmadevgameThe LE for A-series yeah. Hopefully they learned this time around.
I have the A770 LE, it really is a nice-looking card and the RGB illumination is satisfying.
Thanks Steve! The DPS/Glass Canon callout was not the shitpost I expected or needed, but it was hilarious and appreciated.
But what DID the dice roll ?!?!?!
drivers, drivers, drivers.
It's all about the drivers!
What kind of cars will the drivers be operating?
*clapping with each word while sweating profusely*
It's been years dog, their good
I had a a 770 for about a month had a flip that took a while to sell so I thought I would give it a test drive I really didn't have any issues minus having to ddu to Intel interface once and reinstall drivers never figured out what caused that issue but it was easy to fix as for proformance 1440p seemed to run at 60+ on all major titles Ray tracing worked surprisingly good tho
It anything, the best thing in Gelsinger's legacy as CEO may have been to save the GPU program from being shut down
8:00 I actually agree with the 1440p approach. 1080p has been enough for a decade now, but the next step up is becoming more obtainable these days, and with motion clarity and image sharpness being ever important in competitive games, 1440p might very well be considered the competitive standard by now, or at least it will be eventually. I think it’s a great idea to sell affordable graphics cards with the intent on targeting the most competitive spaces. This marketing is meant to be a reassurance for competitive gamers on a budget. A 165hz 1440p monitor new is just as affordable as an intel GPU now.
Yeah for the last year or so there's virtually no reason to buy a 1080p monitor. There's just not enough savings.
Well the lower end cards from the other two companies are gimped at higher resolution because of the memory bandwidth limitations. Thats why in an edge case the 3060 (can't remember which variant performs on par with a 4060 ( can't remember which variant)
The next monitor I am buying is a 100hz 1440p, just because I often find myself wanting visual clarity over higher refresh rates that my 6600 xt barely hit.
it seems they went for 1440p just to have higher numbers than nVidia, becasue of their cheaping out on the memory. For me the biggest disadvantage of 1440p is the increase in price for GPU to be at target fps, not the price of the monitor.
You can get a 1440p gpu for around $300. Ita not really expensive to get 1440p these days @carrionette
First and foremost Intel MUST declare their future commitment
Regular driver updates for GPUs with abysmal sales are a pretty good indicator, also Xe cores are in mobile so they are committed as any company gets these days.
Very true. This is all early 2000s vibes where dGPU were trying to get stable for games and slowly rising with performance uplifts. I too want some commitment or official pipeline of future developments and we got a good competition. To be honest, they should try to sell these GPUs in India where people pay 350 USD for 4060 and that is the most selling card. If B580 can sell at actual price which they can do as they sell CPUs at right price, then the will earn back a lot and it will help their future budget.
@nimrodery THEY need to speak out for themselves, lay out the future plans and show more than just one guy as the GPU team. The pure belief of fanbois means nothing. Churches run on pure belief.
@@nimrodery They were committed under the then-CEO... who has just been ousted. Don't take anything for granted.
@@TheSickness There's no GPU team, they all work in different departments as of a couple years ago. GPU development is a subset of other departments, like AI. It's actually a good thing because GPU development ends up being subsidized by other endeavors, which takes the pressure off for market adoption. I'm not worried about NVidia's "team" even though I usually just see one guy in a leather jacket talking about how cool games are.
They have learned an amazing amount about building GPUs and it seems like they have a plan to increase each iteration until they catch up to the big two. They still have a long way to go but its still great progress.
I hope the battalemage GPU reviews have a larger plethora of games to test. Hopefully spread across a decade or two to test stability with older games as you said. This could be something that flies under the radar until it pops up in a subreddit or a tweet
testing 40+ games on one product is more in Hardware Unboxed' lane
You can tell Tom Petersen was involved when they bust out slides like the one at 9:45
13:25 I really appreciate the display countdown timer line(there is probably a less clunky description for it.) It has been present on all the chart slides in this video. It's a really great solution for a gripe only a small number of people probably have.
I haven't noticed it on previous videos, forgive me if they were present before this video.
Great news honestly. Didn't expect it to release next week already.
I really hope Intel keeps their GPU department. The software improvements we saw on the Arc series up to this point look very promising and more competition os obviously better for us consumers.
The low and lower mid-range market wasn't very well taken care of by Nvidia and AMD in the recent few years. At least not at MSRP. So I'm hoping to see something decent in the 150$ ranger later on.
I think the last good mid - range card was the RX 5700 depending on the model $329 - $359, later on I sold mine for $700, bought the overpriced RTX 3070 for $759 and still have that one.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 depends on how we define mid-range, but I would say lower-mid starts at around 200, and upper mid-range nowadays sadly stops at maybe 500-550? If you define it by price instead of performance.
I bought a 3060ti at release for the MSRP of 400, which was really a great deal at that price... Sold my Vega 56 for waaayyyyy too much due to mining.
For the last months the RX 6000 series had some good cards in that price range as well. And I agree the 5700(XT) were decent, at least when they ironed out the driver issues.
Also the GTX 1060/1070(ti),1660S plus RX 470/480/570/580 had awesome prices at some points between 2017 and 2019 when they were not heavily inflated by mining... The 8GB 580 was down to 100$ at times and the 1060/6 around 130$. They would've been considered mid-range at the time I'd say.
Did you buy an intel gpu?
@maxweinbach3996 I went from 5600xt to a770le 16gb and don't regret it at all. It was a bit finicky at first but these days it's trading blows with 3070 and works really well for upscaling to 4k with decently high settings on most games.
Rx6600 for 200-250ish was pretty good for me @@kravenfoxbodies2479
I had an a580 for a while and it was honestly usable! Only thing that made me move back to amd was VR performance. Sounds like Intel is going to work through the growing pains and eventually have something good.
A770 user here, Im really excited for these new gpus, and hoping for an B770 or higher spec.
They could still use Battlemage forever with clever naming like Supreme Battlemage, Red Battlemage, Clan Battlemage, Battlemage of the 7th Order, Heretical Battlemage of the Black Dragon a.s.o.
Battlemage of the 69th Feline Destroyers
Battlemage of the 36th chambers of shaolin
It would be really hard to get through the whole alphabet that way.
My A770 has been pretty good.
Looking forward to what Intel can do.
Do you use Linux?
@@GreyDeathVaccine Yes, ANV is shitty tho. Bad performance on many games. And RT doesn't work properly.
Wow, a little hate..
No, I use w10 and play a few modern titles at 2k.
It didn't start out perfect... I didn't expect it to. Everything runs fine.. a fair bit faster than wife's rtx3060..
Here's to hoping the benchmarks pan out. They got B series out before Nvidia 5000 series, AMD 8000 series, and in time for the holidays at least, so there is a chance for a much-needed win for Intel here.
Intel could really do the funniest thing and really name E as Explorer.
"Hol' up!" - Microsoft, probably
Enchanter
Druid is rumored to be canned. So no E as Explorer.
I want Intel ARC Necromancer !!!
Potentially have to wait for 20ish years :(
Want arc Z790
@@lordbalzamore7692 20 years? We'll probably have GTA VI Expanded and Enhanced version at that point. That's a really long time.
Gta6 is slop.
@@anonymist-n8z Low effort bait. It probably will be, but how would you know?
STEVE, can we please get a session like this with NVIDIA and AMD's representatives (regarding their GPU tech) as well please. I enjoyed watching this video from start to finish, it's just so interesting. Watching the companies own people talk about it is nice, but having them conversate with you makes the video so much better.
Thanks Steve
Get something new
You’re welcome, Pat
I know he kinda looks like Jack Black but you've got the wrong guy. /s
I will .....I'm getting a Battle mage card.... 😎
No problem =)
New intel products are getting good. Lunar lake laptops are easily best windows laptops atm
This is a good thing. More companies will reduce greed.
The amount of raytracing in those render parts looks like a pretty good threat
Awesome, can't wait for the B770 news
This. No 16 GB minimum, no buy. Hope they don't blow up the TBP past 250 though.
looks like B770 will be the flagship from them though
This. There's rumors the flagships have production problems, but I'm so sick of the higher end GPU market right now, I really hope Intel can sort it out.
I'd love to upgrade from the usual affordable mid-range AMD card to something beasty without throwing out all sense of value out of the window and I'd happily do it with Intel if they nail it and shake up that segment.
@@riyuiwashere yeah I don't think Intel is aiming for high end yet. Hopefully just affordable efficient cards. Intel wanted to charge way more for the A770, the build quality alone feels like it was targeting $700, not $320. I'm just afraid eventually we will have 3 companies charging around $2,000 for their highest cards and just small changes down the line...
@@Eldejot considering that my A770 has 16GB and this is a generational uplift, I would be shocked if they didn't release the B700 cards with 16GB. I wouldn't even be surprised if they released the flagship with more than that, since they know high vram is appealing (nvidia) and they want market share.
Dice set and Snowflake card made me smile this time - mine just arrived 2 days ago! Very nice workmanship!
Admittedly pretty tempted to make a budget HTPC gaming build with one of these cards.
I think that the B580 is actually a pretty competitive GPU... in a very narrow market segment.
Personally, I'm disappointed that they haven't even hinted at an A770 successor, and will be waiting and hoping that there will be. That's what I was actually excited for, and would definitely shell out for.
What? There is going to be a B780 later in 2025
I ended up getting an A770 on sale to fill in a blank slot on a PC made out of leftover parts (the kind of scenario Steve references in the video) and I was so pleased with it. Didn't bump into any major driver issues and the performance for the price was really good.
If the price and performance scale as they did last time the 780 could make a lot of sense for mid-price builds.
I don't know how narrow the segment for these 200 bucks cards is, though. As in, I legitimately have no idea. These days it seems it's all either absurd megamachines burning a small solar farm's worth of energy... or handhelds and laptops on integrated GPUs. I don't know if it's just me building hand-me-down PCs out of scraps or building desktop gaming PCs on a budget or what. The market is all weird now.
When Alchemist released they only released the A750 and A770 at first, with the 5 series coming about six months later.
They had dropped the price of the A750 to about $249 by the time the A580 came out, so they really had to release it well below $200. I think they will see where the B580 goes before setting prices on the 7 series Battlemage cards.
I have had an A770 LE since about six months after launch, I have had a great experience with it, but I put it into a system with a 12600kf and DDR5, and don't really play a lot of DX11 games.
Don't loose hope they have the extra modularity and expansion of the gpu die in mind, i wouldn't count a mid to high end sku later.
considering Intel's current situation, they might went like "let's see how these perform on the market, and if sales are good, we'll launch B770. otherwise, we'll cancel our dGPUs alltogether"
Intel is beginning to look appealing, but I'm still wary of compatibility, stability and driver issues.
The pricing is so good for a budget build
Everything is a budget build.
@@esaedvik Budget has three common definitions: to plan expenditures, to be of a low cost, or to purchase within a specified price range.
Congrats on identifying one (1) definition of the word. We're all extremely proud of you, gold star.
Heisenberg was talking about the second definition.
I hope that helps. Let me know if you're still (SOMEHOW????) confused.
As a homelabber I really hope they're going to announce B310 and B380 at some point!
They probably won't. They need cash flow.
Agreed, and hope the TDP is low enough on the B380 for it to have a single slot cooler variant.
The cooler choices leave me baffled with the TGP listed..why?! Some 4090 Board cards easily cool 400W like its nothing while being silent af. I gotta say tho, that OC-Residency slide impressed me deeply. That gives an insight to lesser experienced people that simply cranking some sliders might not result in significant increases to performance because of the various limits. Very nice to see! The more OC support, the more attractive a GPU/CPU becomes imho. Would be really nice to see what Steve and Joe can get out of one of those cards.
looks promising, hope they will have smooth launch we need more comp in the gpu market
Promises of frames, just not very many of them. Yeah I noticed that too.
Budget PC’s making a comeback.
I took a chance on an Intel Arc A750 last year. Any issue I had was fixed by their team quickly, and I've had damn near no issues to begin with. I would absolutely buy an Intel gpu again. Day 1 drivers aren't an issue at all anymore. And these cards punch way above their weight.
Can second this, my A770 earlier this year gave me no problems at the start, and then the one game specific issue I had was fixed in just a few weeks after reporting it to the driver team. Definitely sticking with Arc if they keep this up.
Looking forward to the reviews! Let's hope in the tear down, the intel reference card is not held together with tape and glue!
To steer clear of casters, we could see Crusader and Dragon before Fighter
...couldn't think of anything better for E besides Evoker...maybe Eloquence? Esper? Either way, they're still casters...
I do love Intel using letters to indicate generations rather than numbers. Makes the tiers easier to describe instead of saying things like "the 90 family" or "900 series within the 7000 series". Still got the "one digit is perpetually 0" problem though.
*bae has a big question, bae uses the intel iris Xe dg {asus} card to install on the celeron PC on bae channel,bae download the graphic card driver on the shengqi page. When only that card is plugged in, the screen is black. But when plugged in with Arc a750 (only plug the riser into the pcie with the auxiliary power cord, not plugging in the display output) plug in the display output by display port of the iris vga, the pc can be used and it is still receiving iris. The graphic Xe can use so much %, i also tested the card loading 100%, and the arc does not plug in the display output so in gpu 2 it says 0%. That means my celeron PC is definitely using the iris card. But bae does not understand that since til now,i still cannot let the machine run on only the iris card every time i remove the arc, the screen is black even though it is clearly not plugging in any kind of display and using display by Asus iris dg. Bae asked a lot of people in Vietnam but it seems like only I have encountered this situation in my country. I hope someone has an answer to help me because since then I have tried many ways like changing the pcie slot or trying to insert a different card with iris but nothing is working. If you knows the sistuation or anyone who capable of dealing with this, please contact f.b bae bê*
They could use Echo Knight for E to get a fighter subclass.
Enchantress or Elementalist
@@Marbeary Still casters, but I do like those two way more than my suggestions.
Super glad to see SOMEONE picking up the slack at the low end, and for a great price too.
For 250 and rtx 4060 level of preformance and 12gb of vram AMAZING deal if Intel works on driver's and ai upscaling and also availability Intel looks like to bounce back to the market very strong
Can't wait for the numbers on this
It’s really good to see another player enter the market. Competition is good and these initial prices are encouraging
5:50 Missed opportunity to play fortune teller for the launch Xd
When that camera started zooming in slowly, I knew Steve was going to start Steve'ing with DND stuff lol
I'm grateful that someone listed that as "filler" and the video auto-skipped that.
Everyone should advertise for intel's gpu at this point, tell your gamer friends to buy intel gpu, supporting intel right now would be great for the gaming community.
Great work as always Steve!
Thanks Steve.
I honestly expected a bit more performance, but this should be fine as well if the drivers work
These are there low end cards ...
@@johnnyringo35 So is the 4060 that they are comparing them to. And these Intel cards will be challenged not by the 4060 but the 5060 for most of their lifespan.
If they're that cheap though I think people won't mind if the performance is a bit lower.
@@pjavilla While I agree with that, it would have been better if the performance leaned closer to 7600xt/4060ti. Given that new gen is coming out soon, and especially given that Amd is probably going to be more competitive at lower/mid end, that would have made the deal much better.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 The 5060 will probably be a scam at $350+ with 8gb vram and performance in between 4060 and 4060ti. I'm now actually hoping Nvidia to go nuts and price 50 series double that of the 40 series so that almost nobody buy them anymore.
As someone that has relied on a a750 for about a year I would highly recommend it I have yet to have a issue with it on any games I play I could just be lucky but it’s a amazing gpu and very capable in my opinion and I absolutely love it
It would be both very funny and very cool if Intel does actually pull it off and comes in swinging with actually good budget RT cards that beat NVidia. I'm rooting for them, more competition is never a bad thing.
I wish there was some way Intel and AMD could band together in an 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' way to prop up AMD CPU's and Intel GPU's, all in an effort to put pressure on NVidia and... I guess ARM architecture in the consumer CPU space?
Nvidia probably won't care until Internet cafe's contract with other GPU makers.
I mean budget RT GPU sounds like fun, but I question that RT is all that relevant for cards of this class. I mean the 4060 can theoretically do it if it doesn't run out of VRAM, but mostly on games where RT is not a worthwhile visual upgrade for the perf cost. Most games with serious RT that may be worth enabling are basically unplayable with RT on a 4060 class card. Unless you dial down quality settings, which doesn't make much sense of best visuals are your goal.
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Finally new GPU season is here!!!
I for one absolutely LOVE that intel is making another set of GPUs that are affordable and deliver solid performance. With that said, these cards are going to get sunked when the new AMD and Nvidia cards come out. But, for now, they are the best bang for the buck in the market. I will still wait a little while to get one tho. Intel has a....history of needing driver updates.
But you won’t buy one
I feel like im being negative, but this would be so much more interesting if it had came out 6 months ago. RDNA4 coming out in a month deflates the room a LOT if this is comparing itself to the likes of the RX 7600
Yeah…and the 4060 is a 3060 realistically…not raising the bar at all, apart from the 260$ good price point…but that’s the price the 4060 should’ve had 2 years ago.
Plus no point in RT being good if the cars consume like cards 2x more powerful than it. If AMD really is moving to monolithic RDNA3 design + improved RT pipeline and if really they are focusing only on mid to low range these cards are screwed in one month…
@@or1on89 Who care about power draw? Modern GPUs regularly consumes 270+ W (see AMD 7700XT)
@@GreyDeathVaccine It's not a matter of how it consumes per se...it's a matter compared to the competition at the same price. If they need bigger wafer and more power to deliver a mid/low range product they won't be able to scale to the high end. Alchemist suffered from this problem, if Battlemage doesn't improve on that front it's going to be carnage in January...because we are talking about offering the performance of a 4yo card (yeah, the 4060 performs like the 3060 apart from RT) at a price that the card was supposed to have 3 years ago, not a good look and not something that can help pushing the market in the way we consumers need...
Hopefully the reason the cards are this late is because they've been perfecting the drivers...
hopefully
"had came"
LOL
If BaTtLeMaGe can come (the past/future participle of come) out before the economic collapse starting 1/20, they'll be at a huge advantage over parts shipping after that.
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the mid and low segment its a bloody battlefield.. Hope Battlemague will perform well in there, will be healty for us all
Im on time nice hope they are good
Clipped the classes rant from the beginning.
Just sooooo good, Healer punchline gave me a chuckle
5:39 I always appreciate the little extras in the edits - sometimes subtle, sometimes not so, but always nicely done. I kind of imagine a Metal Gear 'alert' sound and a close up on your face might have been the cherry on the editing cake to accompany the dice CU, but now I'm just nerding out in my own fantasy edit now 😁
Rare W for Intel and low end GPUs. Fingers crossed 🤞 for good drivers.
5:28 Jesus so when they say it's "outperforming 4060" I guess it's with tears in their eyes. They paid the cost of almost a 4070ti to compete with a 4060 at almost 2x the power...
If their drivers are stable enough to run the latest titles, that's a huge W for Intel.
If what's promised is true this is going to be my first gpu in in more than 12 years, I have always been a apu guy due to gpu and computer electronics being so damn expensive over here.
This will like finding water in the desert for us, thank you intel!
Perfect upload timing
well its a scheduled release so the video goes public automatically by youtube
16:36 Yeah, so many people are only buying nvidia now, like in a cult or something. There's also a significant amount who will only buy intel CPUs
From a Computer Store and A580 owner:
I have an Arc A580 and the drivers are not at the point where I can recommend it to the masses. I bought it to support Intel and it plays PUBG competitively when compared to the then-priced rx 6600. Arc A580 was $20 less.
For my clients, I cannot recommend Arc until they fix their drivers. They have improved A TON but not at the point yet I can recommend them. I am currently building mostly AMD Radeon based gaming computers and a few Nvidia. In terms of B580 pricing, for people who just want to game and not worry about the drivers, I see them spending an extra $50-$80 for the 7600 XT 16 GB. I believe the B580 needs to be at $200 for people who are cautious about Intel Arc to buy them. That's not to say I wouldn't myself, but I am okay dealing with their driver problems. That puts me in the minority.
Nevertheless, if you're considering Intel and don't mind, please give them money to keep the executives happy and ARC around. I do want them to be competitive but the B580 pricing is high and I have a gut feeling reviews are going to say the same thing after they test them themselves and it'll be for a niece market for people like me.
1:35 it's all about glass cannons!