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Did the lady with the locks agree that the court system was biased against men then question the need for men's rights activists? THIS IS WHY!!!
THIS.
IS.
WHY.
Exactly!! That’s like saying ‘well yea, rape happens but why do we need rape relief?’
oh women lol
I think I understand why she is saying that. If you are a Feminist, you want equal rigths for women. If women get equal rights, they get respeted and not underestimated or seen as "weeker" or "not capable of beeing a bad person because woman are deep down caring creatures" etc. . All those biases about women lead to the harsher procecution of men, because we see man as creatures of violence. But if woman are seen as equal to men they also get prosecuted in the same way as men. It doesnt need an extra organisation for mens right because mens equality comes with women beeing seen as equal. :)
@@lelialail702 naw. men that run the world know who the competition is. women arent willing to do or sacrifice their life for purpose. the masculine is. men are targeted using womens sexual liberation and womens rights. attack the man and you destroy the family structure
@@seds94 But this is what I mean, you assume that all women have traits like "not sacrificing for the purpose" but this is just an assumtion and not based on facts. Not all women are the same. You talk like you met them all. :P When you prosecute someone you have to see the individual and not the gender the person has.
an incel is not a men's rights activist
I bet they put him there to make men's rights side look dumb
@@gagliardivex9218 that’s exactly what they did
Plus I don't know if a person can choose to be an incel, a person can be abstinent. That's when you choose to not have sex. But I thought incel is a guy who wants sex but can't get any. Either he's a troll or never knew that he is abstinent, and not an incel.
@Bandit yeah but he admits to being an incel. Who admits to that unless they are trolling? Lol he could just say he's been abstinent.
There’s reasons why that guy is incel... and he shows them lol
Woman: cuts off guy
Preach: cuts off woman
ad: cuts off Preach
Underrated comment right here
Me: skips ad
Lol... in the end ads get us all
Always a bigger fish
Premium. No ads....I’ll see myself out. :(
Kursat was spitting facts, the Asian dude didn’t even get a chance to speak and was regretting coming to this discussion, and Derrick was there to weaken the men’s side
This was beasically a group project experience
I think everybody there was referring coming there.
Not because of the conversation but because it's Jubilee
Derrick is a woman in drag. ;)
Yep, silence the Asian guy just like society always does.
@Charlie Baskerville when did he say that
Imagine coming to a debate and being all prepared to be logical and respectful and have a genuine discussion and then you get Derek on your team
I honestly think it would've gone better if it was just the 2 guys. Derek literally only negatively affected the arguments.
@@castform7 Let's be real though, Kursat was such an absolute unit they had to balance the odds somehow
I liked derek
They put him there so women’s team looks better. There’s some crazy terf female supremacist feminists out there. Why not get one of those crazy bluegreen haired women who are screaming rape at every protest? Derek is the men’s equivalent of those.
It's like having the dream team going to the Olympics but for some reason Michael Jackson is on their team. Bro what are you doing there in the first place
lmao that asian guy was just sitting there like "why did I even sign up for this debate"
he just got bullied
I love how he sits there and is just like, uhh yall gonna let me talk or not.... fuck it.
@@kuunt6065 Dude she went off on him lol. I felt like she was holding onto that anger for a minute and couldn't wait any longer to let that out.
I feel bad for him, and Kursat. Honestly.
I know I felt so bad for him.
I wanted a male feminist and a woman who is a male rights activist too that would've made it more of a striking conversation.
I agree 💯% If anything I think we can both agree on which ones should be cut from bitch sides to facilitate that next time...first one is Derrick
karen would murder any male feminist though
@@jayhollow7966 Damn the Jews have Trump and the Republican party, the Democratic party and Marxist on their hand... Damn who don't they control
What kind of male is a feminist lmao
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Far better than this vid for sure
Although Aba and Preach didn’t show it, the feminist in the middle actually brought up that women should be held accountable for abuse towards men and stop hiding behind the idea that because men are stronger, they can’t be abused so shoutout to you
I agree with that!
She brought some good things up yea but she still wasn't sounding like she wanted to understand where the men was coming from
They've cut themselves out a lot in this video even in the middle of points I think it's just bad editing all round
Yes
They are men. Of course, they will show everything that makes their points stronger. Lol
The girl with the locks: "How dare you tell someone to their face, that their experience is not valid?"
Also the girl with the locks: "Why do you even need a men's rights movement?"
If I try to talk about a woman's cycle and how annoying it is to deal with it as a man don't you think somebody's going to just tell me to shut up yeah there might be some people who agree but at the end of the day I need to man up and figure out a solution for what my woman needs
LOL literallyyyy in the next breath...sometimes my fellow whamen confuse me
All the guy asked was a question which was a good thing because he just wanted to understand her personal situation and come to a common ground.
Sometimes asking questions can trigger someone because either they never been asked or it seems like a defense
Not to mention she shut down the asian dude before that, invalidating his experience or view of "locker room talk".
Like all these feminists seemed to be really hypocrites of what they preached about. Asian dude barely got to say anything, Derek was a troll, and only Kursat came with statistics and valid points.
@@EnraiChannel that’s why I refuse to stay in a conversation that doesn’t allow people to speak without being talked over, rude, or dismissing what I have to say in opinion, views, and beliefs.
I’d just all away not gonna waste my time sitting in a conversation that’s no good.
If this was an Anime I can imagine Korsats glasses shining every time he spoke facts.
Kursat: *glasses shine* "Hehehe, you fool YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!"
Then feminists be like : korsats has shining glasses because he is a man .
He wasnt wrong tho
Hahahaaa! Are you thinking of Gendo Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion or maybe Master Roshi?
@@Token_Black_Guy what? you pathetic
“It’s hard to win an argument with a genius but it’s impossible to win an argument with an idiot”
"Being dumb is the same as being dead, it's ok for you, but it's painful to everybody else around"
Can I use your comment I love it
Jacob Gestetner of course you can
Mac Matheson if we ever do the “fucky fucky” I will use my reverse card
@@thund3rbird738 Damn that's dark
"I don't know why, but I hate this kid already"
*Everybody liked that*
The comment section of the video, is nothing but hate at Derrick.
Seriously....where did Jubilee get this kid?
He's so cringey, Jubilee purposely put him in the video to discredit their entire position, even though the other men were making fair arguments.
Lol, dude is awkward AF and his voice is super cringey
To be fair little brother needs a job site and real face to face social interaction with both men and women. Call it stress inoculation.
@@kogayoshi1 I agree.
Kursat actually helped me understand what the men’s right movement is and where it stems from while Derrick represents exactly who I thought men’s rights activists were
There doesn't need to be a man Rights movement man needs to start taking responsibility for their actions in the actions of those in their community men have allowed their self to be babied by the feminist movement because someone said that they don't have to be big and strong anymore they have allowed themselves to be made into a bunch of wimps that's the reason why these people are complaining about it because they just aren't ready for the new game don't hate the player it's not their fault that you're not leveled up to the status that is needed you're just last year's model I guess
Most male jokes towards women are degrading filthy or even physically violent that's the reason why she didn't want to listen to it
Well, yeah of course you did because you're biased.
@@iBloodxHunter yo how tf did you even understand that mumbling? It's legit a four paragraph sentence my brain just checked out halfway
@@BBBoroBongo It's been some time so I'll have to be reminded of the context, but the generic answer is I can read people like books.
Unless I actually like them.
Derrick’s that one person on ya team when you and your teammates are killing it and y’all confused how the game’s tied, so you look at the leader board and he has 0 kills 28 deaths.
This comment is perfect, i can relate, as i played Halo and cod growing up
Tell him to man the fuck up.
He's the one who has -1 kills because he committed suicide on accident
William Walton Jesus Christ man
@Bob Scrotum bruh scrotum
An incel is not a men's rights activist...the way Derrick was talking was like he is a "male supremecist" he should not even be there
But alot of men that are incel dont think they are they think they're being mens right activists, like when women are toxic feminists but want women put above they think that's what feminists are. Although we dont see it I think it was on how they see themselves.
@@chloereed2434 thats exactly my point he is no different then a radical feminist
@@chloereed2434 exactly
The producers knew this, even Derrick himself stated that he was under the branch but not really part of it. They put him there as a plant in order to weaken the argument but it didn’t work
@@warriyu4878 misandrist is the terms.
She said "I know you came with your little research" 😂. This is why men say women dont think logically and only run on emotions.
Roshunda Hutch facts how you come to a debate then get annoyed when somebody came prepared lol
@@BetterDeath Exactly.
Roshunda Hutch 🖨
Women always take what they feel after hearing something and going off of that, instead of what was actually said and intended. Hence why they cant debate rationaly
Kianjelo Giorgio Many women can debate properly.
Women: "men need to talk about their feelings."
Also women: "we don't care how you feel."
Yea
Don't generalize, I actually do care
When have they ever said that? Seems like you pulled that out of nowhere... Men do need to talk about their feelings since bottling them up can make anyone feel depressed.
@@MistressMillie „We understand that men are treated unfair in front of the law“
4 second pause --
„Why do we need a mens rights movement“
@@baronhelmut2701 We simply pointed out that her exact words were not "we don't care how you feel" because we wanted to emphasize that men should discuss their emotions/depression. :D
"Why do guys need mens rights?"
"How dare you tell another human beings experinces aren't valid?"
Im in tears people need to listen to themselves
@George Bush I agree with you, with every argument one side brings up the other doesn't address the issue but adds to it. However I don't think that men's rights advocates (a good few I've heard speak) have both eyes open. The people who claim they hate men and all men are trash and can't put it past them to acknowledge that men also struggle with societal issues, maybe not as much as women do and maybe not at all in some instances, in the name of feminism disappoint me
@George Bush I genuinely couldn't care about trying to read your paragraph because it doesn't make sense, but what really fucking annoys me is how you view America as the "most free society" Are you actually fucking kidding me? You genuinely think the USA is one of the best countries in the world? AT WHAT? CRIME RATE? It fucking baffles me. I know you were implicitly attacking Scandinavian countries, yes sometimes some of those countries are a bit too liberal even for me, but they have statistics to prove that SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES ARE SOME OF THE HAPPIEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.
@George Bush I genuinely can't get over how you think America is one of the best countries. Like, come on, have some self-awareness fucking christ. I hate this idea that America is an amazing place, yes some things are pretty cool, but it doesn't make it any better than most countries, I don't see what is so amazing? I don't see much positive shit getting headlines, I know it's because drama sells but still if America was THAT amazing, people would know about it.
Immediately went to emotional 0-100 at a snap. These woman all they did was throw jabs. Petty
@@jorddalord5400 scandinavian countries are quite literally the best countries in the world. No cap, Compare to America might as well call them heaven
"Men have Less attempts in suicide, but go through with it more, cause men believe in commitment"
OMG that killed me
7:25 had me deceased
Literaly killed you
Yes
Woman logic, right?
😮
Their idea of Locker room talk: man she got a wagon. I’d tap that all day
Actual Locker room talk: Batman would give spidey the hands no cap.
Bruh! 😁🙌🏽
True
Deadass
Bro you bugging spider man is a genius just like batman and he has actual powers, he has lost some one just like batman, and he did his thing with 1% of batman's income, with a part time job as a photographer.
Women base mens locker room talk on how they speak to each other in beauty salons. I grew up in a household full of women and the way that they talk about men gets ridiculous sometimes...well alot of the time and feminists project the way they talk in private on us.
A woman for real said that i can’t be mad at the woman that molested me when i was 8 years old. Because i don’t know what she was going through at the time 😂
I don’t care about what gender you are a predator is a predator and I’m sorry that happened to you. No one would ever say that in regards to male predator because most predators are victims don’t make it right
Sorry you had to go through that.
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
Especially as a person that was also sexually harassed as a kid (at 9), I can't imagine someone telling me that about that pedophile.
That woman who said that is nuts and should be investigated because who defends a child molester ???
Jesus man I’m sorry you went through that, and her response is so frustrating too
I believe it, people be dismissing the wildest sh** and what’s more is somehow someone is gonna fault you for even sharing your past
The black lady needs therapy. Her experiences are not a case of discrimination and her pain is clouding her perceptions...
Can we have more of your incites please?? It's refreshing
I know right. She's going based off of her pass traumas not someone majority's
@@jrr7031 Ha ha! I am tryimg not to be im comment sections too much cs I get roped into time consuming debates but of course lol and thank you. :)
@@femdivinemind7777 come on. Do it like 2x times. If not for me, do it for the kids.
She need to wake up, your man is target for feminism
"Men have no rite talking about women's problems, but let me explain what masculinity is."
@ezeeckiel blinded by rage
How is masculinity a "male issue?" Masculinity is gender. We're taught gender since birth. Anyone who uses their brain and notices things can explain what femininity and masculinity are thought to be
They were talking about toxic masculinity, which women are typically victims of so they have every right to explain it.
ezeeckiel there’s a difference between a man telling a woman she can’t have an abortion, and woman describing what toxic masculinity is. That’s all real feminists complain about men speaking on. You can talk about whatever you want to talk about. How periods are gross and they get in the way of your sex cycle, bc it is and women hate them too. You can talk about how it makes us crazy bc it overloads us with hormones and without proper medication, it does actually make us out of control with our emotions. And don’t get me started on menopause. Y’all can talk about whatever you want to talk about. Real feminists don’t care. We want equality by *right* and *respect* , not a dictation over a small group of men that can’t seem to do enough research about real feminism bc all they see on Facebook is feminazis complaining about how woman aren’t paid equal to men. But go off, sis.
ezeeckiel I do. I live in the south and feminists are needed. I can’t go anywhere alone without fearing my life or my virtue. That’s a real problem. Bc people don’t know how to raise proper men. I need feminists bc I wasn’t allowed to make any decisions for myself while I got to watch my brother do whatever he wanted growing up. When I became a manager at my old workplace I had no respect from anyone even though my numbers were the highest on my team. You act as tho we’ve achieved everything we want. But it’s the same thing as with racism, sexism is still alive and very present to me everyday. Yes I can get paid more than a man, yes I can vote, yes I can own property and have custody of my children but I still don’t have the respect men get just for being born. Feminism isn’t going to die out just because you think there’s nothing left, because that’s so beyond wrong.
"Women attempt suicide more, more men than women actually suicide though, because we believe in commitment"
Holy shit, Aba, that was some extra dark humor, damn
Bruh I laughed so hard
I laughed😂
It's actually suppose to be due to methods. Men are statistically more likely to use more aggressive or violent methods. While women are more likely to use less effective methods giving time for intervention. Funny point though 😂
True though. Often women will do it as a cry for help where men often do it to get it done.
KanedaSyndrome lol thats exactly what he said
My father was a battered husband in the 70's - 80's. He's the gentlest person every and was my stay at home. He still has a lot of traumas from his first wife that I see everyday. I'm a men's rights activist for him and every man who is shamed for trying to take a modicum of care for themselves.
You're an incredible person for doing that. He's a lucky man to have you in his life. Love the username too
Adultery is a sin.
Please, repent before it is too late.
what ??? @@TedEhioghae
“You did your little research or whatever....” you mean he came prepared to a debate.... how dare he!?
I know right! That comment was so absurd
Sounds TERRIBLE
That is an example of toxic masculinity
@@sierra002hg2 what is...?
@@nickb6425 the fact he came into the meet with facts and research when she was talking about feelings
I understand men's rights and women's rights but I think that we just end up hearing from the extremes. I think this panel would have done better if they had someone in the females side that was at the same level as Kursat.
Well proves there arent smart feminists (joking)
The women in the panel are talking more on personal experiences and using those things to generalize a whole community. The men (aside from Derrick) are talking about problems most of the people outside the movement are experiencing and that may include themselves in. The men there aren't generalizing, they're stating facts. The feminists in this panel are getting angry out of emotion, speaking their stories, making it a competition, but not speaking actual suffering of women as a whole.
Armontek Derek had to be a troll my guy sounded like he was about to advocate for slavery soon.
Right? I was thinking the same thing. I would have gladly been on that panel to fill that roll. To me atleast, feminism should be about men’s and women’s rights. I know the actual movement isn’t. But it should, and most real feminists I know think like this. Or they atleast acknowledge that they are both equally bad. Equality’s a great problem, in general
There aren't feminists at the same level as Kursat who would be on this because they're a minority.
Lmao wtf Korsat was great at not seeming like a misogynist. And they were mad/pissed off that someone who is for men’s rights wasn’t a misogynist. He made great points. Most of which were about the injustices men face in the legal system which is a definite problem.
And he threw a lot of specific data in there. The ladies likely ignored him because they think he's making up the numbers or is using a faulty study. It's interesting how many times you get told to provide proof or sources for statements when it's about male victims, but many feminists will just say it's a study they read. I followed one source back and found out that not only was the original statement forty years old, it was said by the president of the organization at a rally they were doing. Who knows how true it was even then, though there are plenty of other studies that disagree. In other research, I found out there was a victimization study of reports from 1973 to 1993, and they've done them annually since. Every single one says that men make up something like 60% of victims of violent crimes in every category except sexual crimes. I know there's going to come a time when I mention this fact, and the other person will try to discredit me by asking what fallible source I got that from. The Bureau of Justice. And the irony is that the entire project was started to study victimization of women.
i wish they would have talked about how men’s legal oppression is due to sexism towards women. let me explain: women are seen as less capable than men, more innocent, more empathetic, kinder, i can go on and on. these qualities enable women to be let off the hook for crimes or not even tried in the first place, because no one assumed they were capable of it. this creates a place where men are always seen as more violent and given harsher punishments to combat this inequality
@@scarlett4531 and maybe when women are opressed it’s because sexism towards men 🤔
Agree! Only point where he fell down was women not being up for death row for the same crimes, didn't say that women don't commit them as often. I'm sure that goes into it, beyond the bias against men for being more violent (which they are, there should be a discussion about if that is okay and why bias isn't something that should be in practice).
@@hazelbd8201 I'd like to see more studies on aggression in women with a recognition of bias. Many studies have shown that women are more indirect in their forms of aggression, like spreading rumors and gossip. There are also many peers that disagree with the ways aggression is tested for. You have to wonder if the methodology of the studies dismiss certain behaviors because they are done by women and focus on the ways men are aggressive. There have been other reports that show courts are more lenient towards women, especially if there's a way to attribute their behavior as being provoked by a man. If studies are looking at violent crime felonies to determine gender differences in violence, they might be missing a lot of violent crimes that were downgraded to misdemeanors. Or because she used poison to murder someone instead of stabbing them. It's one of the faults in the rape statistics that are often quoted. The legal definition of rape, at least used to, require that the victim be penetrated. If a woman rapes a man, he's not getting penetrated; so it is charged as aggravated assault. Not sure anyone has aggregated both charged together.
As a woman, I am very much disgusted by the way parts of this conversation went. Women say they want to be "heard" yet while homeboy was listening, he asked "how and where" to learn and she spazzed out at him. Not to dismiss how her experiences made her feel but that part confused the shit out of me. I was actually looking forward to how that conversation would go til her tone took a turn. Also miss lady who referred to the man's knowledge as "little research", that's the type of energy that will get us women NO WHERE!! It's one thing if she was stating facts and he dismissed her in any way but let a man approach the doorstep of being right and there comes the attitude. I could easily choose sides based on the fact that I am a woman but right is right and wrong is... you know. WRONG!! Us women need to do better if we really want better. Or we can spend another few decades blaming men and not taking accountability for the things we should. If most feminists would walk into a room like this with the intention to share and learn rather than just to be heard and/or to be right the world would be a better place.
At this pace it might be too late. Many man are just checking out all together and walking away due to this. Just too tired to keep trying. For years we've been trying. The whole while still dealing with men's problems and just doing as we were told and taught. Suck it up. Deal with it. "Be a man." societies favorite phrase to force us to die an early death and like it. Then we're told we're evil and the root of all problems and violent for existing. We've heard no uterus no opinion. Then yelled at for not standing up against the overturn of roe v wade. So it's a constant damned if we do. Damned if we don't. Damned because we breath.
a men's right activist and a feminist walk into a bar, and i immediately leave that bar
Why you leaving? I’d be grabbing the popcorn.
Hunter Womack on god I grab a popcorn with extra butter and a medium coke
the only thing worse than a female with a victim complex is a male with one
*"I know you came with your little research or whatever"*
WOW......SAYS IT ALL......
Right!?!??? What an arrogant, obnoxious, haughty bitch!!!
Yeah, she basically dismissed his research because she has to prove her claims.
She totally contradict herself and made herself look like a hypocrite by dismissing him.
That woman probably wonders why she spends her Friday nights with Netflix and her cat.
ny_kia31 don't get it twisted. She can still get picked up whenever, and that's the problem.
@Harmione Lover Men have historically shown that they're actually WAAAY more emotional than women by a longshot. I can point to countless stories of men killing women/wives over rejection or literally anything else to prick their ego.
No matter if you are a feminist or a men’s right activist, we can all agree that Derrick was not needed here.
They put him there so they can give a bad look to MRA. He literally said it that he is an Incel but still they put him with MRA.
no i dont agree , we are genetically bad and terorists and the bad genes must be deleted before we make another men to suffer and be beaten or died
@@boyfeminineagainstmasculin5940 i get that english may not be your first language, but some of your wordchoices with this comment and others maaaaay not be presenting your ideas and opinions correctly. And if they are thats a little concerning.
Like, Men arent genetically bad or terrorists
@@bloodydove5718 I think he's trolling
@@Dokemoni involuntarily celibate. Most incels are not able to develop proper sexual relationships either due to genetic looks, personality, status or money and figured that the unicorn women (they dont exist) go after the top men most of the time. Some get resentful, some accept their fate and move on and some just give up on life because of it. Sometimes it doesn't help when they get ridiculed by a lot of people. In fact it only make matters worse IMO.
Having an open mind, debating without emotion and leaving food for thought in their minds is enough for them to reconsider.
But society nor its sheeple cannot comprehend such logic.
"I don't need you to protect me, I just need you to not harm me. I am very capable of protecting myself."
Then why do you need to ask people not to harm you? Protect yourself.
“I am very capable of protecting myself.”
Me: “IS THAT SO?!”
*[draws fencing sword]*
“WELL THEN, ÉN GARDE!!”
*A plethora of points describing male discrimination are listed and explained*
"WhAt Do YoU eVeN nEeD a MeN's RiGhTs GrOuP fOr?????"
If I was there I would call her out saying " Did you not hear what I said because you just told me why we need a men's March....well we need this because us as men don't need feminism to try and force us to be what you want nor tell us how a man should be"
and then she goes on to wrongly accuse the guy for minimizing her plight when all he did was ask a simple question. The irony!
Lol logic bypasses women's ears like carryout going through your bowels.
Buckwheat !!!!!!!!!!!!
As a Male I do find the need for a mens right movement to be quite funny because if you look at our history we're women only had the rights men give them and not a real voice in what happened in the world is how we got here all of the issues the men brought up happened based on the deeds of other men put simplify men feel like they need to defend themselves from discrimination of other men not women still trying to have an actual voice in the world all the Male talking points were done to men by men
7:16 "Woman are far more likely to be depressed than men, but men are more likely to commit suicide and go through with the process. *Because we believe in commitment* " 😂😂😂
i dont believe in comitment , and i dont have beliefs , beliefs block the thinkin , belief is fake and false
Man had me weak when he said that.
I paused the video and really sat here with an "O" face. LMAOOOOO
@@boyfeminineagainstmasculin5940
You believe that the next breath you take will happen automatically don't you?
You believe that when you walk into a store that you will be able to pick whatever is on the shelves up and purchase it if you have enough money don't you?
You believe that whatever device you typed your comment on will send it to be posted the way you typed it right?
@@boyfeminineagainstmasculin5940 you do know that thinking is the cause of belief, right?
The incel wasn't even an mra and the actual mra who had research was talked down and didn't get to engage as much
odabuu the broad shut him down by saying his facts and research didn’t matter
Yea... The incel seemed like a cool guy.. A good diet and some work in the gym and he'll be fine.
@@wrldonwill he's definitely not ugly
@@wrldonwill And a stylist. This dude really walked into that conversation with a pokemon hoodie on. 🤣
William William dude said he’d already lost a 100 lbs or something to that effect in another video
My dude that came with the facts is the only reason I could sit through this vid.
Instead of that little incel boy, they should have had a father who's being kept away from his kids & milked for child support while his baby mama smears him in court & among family as abusive, etc.
Well they probably couldn't get one because men like that are wrongly put in jail.
Yeah no one complained about toxic masculinity in WW2 I wonder why. THe fact that they are even thinking about this nonsense shows how spoiled and entitled they are.
I would pay my whole college tuition to see that. Even get in-debt for it.
@@BillClinton228 Nigga what.
I volunteer as tribute
Black girl: I've told you three of my stories. I haven't heard any of your stuggles.
Asian dude: (this girl has interupted me three times in the last 5 seconds)
It would have been interesting if one of the guys did have similar stories but that were slightly worse. Like a woman feeling all up on him and then claiming sexual harassment because he turned her down. And got into a fight with his wife because she didn't believe all women.
@@bryanwoods3373 they would probably dismiss it, too. Saying something like "men can't get sexually herassed, cuz they like it." or "why didn't you just push her off? You're stronger."
@@adamvile9104 most women don’t say that doe.. i find it funny bc it’s mostly men saying it
@@jjspacey why are you lying to yourself? Bro I can seriously pull up statistics
@@okolk6450 you can do that if you want.. and i was saying from what i hear and see it’s mostly men
The lady in the dreads needs therapy. She's so traumatized by the constant violations she endures by men that when someone asks a question about it she goes into a PTSD tirade when nobody is attacking her.
It must be tough being asked out by men every so often! I'd hate it if women did that to me. I have to wear a suit or a wedding ring to get that attention ;)
Exactly my thoughts....she needs to chill out
And I do feel bad for her because women do go through that. She’s just not built for a discussion because of it
@Marten Dekker I mean it is tough for her. My girlfriend and female friends tell me all the time how tough it is for them. Girls legit get killed for turning down guys it’s a sad world we live in. But in order to make change, women like the black lady have to put those things behind them which she hasn’t learned to do. It sucks to feel powerless
This is so true.
As a woman I am embarrassed by these young emotionally unstable women. They're using their personal abusive experiences to punish the world. All the nastiness I've ever encountered were NOT from men but from women in power in my workplace. Actually, through my life experiences, I have found men to be a lot easier to work with and not as petty.
People really got to realise that their personal experiences don't necessarily correlate with the system. The women in my life have also caused me the most harm but those are the women in my life, not all women in general.
Me too as women
She is one 😡
A survey in Australia - maybe 5 years ago - showed that 8 out of 10 FEMALE workers preferred male bosses. Reasons were not divulged, but that was the consensus.
That was a poor representation of feminists. Feminists are meant to stand up for women's rights, without tearing down men and their rights in the process!! So embarrassing!
Do you really believe that fam?
@@kekyantoine6804 What? If you are asking do I believe men and women both have rights and we should support each other? Yes.
To often Feminism has become an escape for women that simply hate men. The more rational women's rights activists are not feminists. Feminism is to WRA, what Incels are to MRA. A radicalized hate group, that overgeneralizes all problems they experience on another gender.
Third and fourth wave feminism ruins the movement, it's way better to call yourself an ageltarian or an equalist instead.
MRAs and feminists are the losers of their respective genders
They compared men to children but complained when they did it to women
DOMIJOTO was here
When did they compare men to children?
@Adam Mack it's was a comparison different ways, the man's one was to say they weren't capable of taking care of them selfs and the womens was a dig at immaturity, I don't think either is right tho
Adam Mack
I think most men would feel insulted if a group of women said *things would be best if they were treated as children because that’s basically what they’re similar to. You’re not very bright nor honest.
Adam Mack
Of course it does in this context. Are you really this stupid? If you’re comparing one sex of adults to the inherently immature life stage of our species then of course you’re saying that that sex isn’t equal to the sex not being likened to children. A lot of good school did a halfwit like you.
himode
Cringey insults instead of rational arguments? How male of you.
Kursat this whole video: "I'm surrounded by idiots" 😂
Well he was xD
Guitar Is Life the Asian dude was alright
that man had a PhD in fire breathing
On both sides, there were all idiots lmao. Kursat did his research really well.
Kursat thinking shit these ppl need reaearch
The "We believe in commitment" got me 🤣
I witnessed the disgraceful way my husband was treated in the UK family law courts, for wanting to be part of his children’s lives. His ex wife could say ANYTHING and be believed. My husband had to virtually jump through hoops.
You will never convince me that men and women are treated equally in the family courts- especially in the UK
I'm from the UK and I agree. It's not just family courts either, it's courts in general. If you take a case where an adult has groomed and abused a child for example, then a man always gets a longer sentence than a woman.
When it comes to paternity rights, mothers automatically have rights and parental responsibility to their child while fathers have to be married to the mothers for those same rights. Unmarried fathers however need a parental responsibility agreement as deemed by court for rights to their own child. This is a legitimate law in the UK too, along with the fact that the laws do not recognise female rapists as actual rapists, which sickens me to my core. The UK is fucked.
It's actually everywhere you go. Women are always seen as more competent when it comes to taking care of children because mommy was most of the time either the good cop of the relationship and was a tiny bit more "present" ( that's what the majority thinks at least). Even though a lot of mothers can and are the worst parent someone could have.
It is despicable for willing fathers in the uk justus sh1tstem.
This isn’t just a U.K problem, we have these issues in the U.S as well and many other countries too.
Derrek is exactly what I expected from someone who happily admits they're an incel
lets be real, homeboy didn't need to admit it
I mean cudos or admiting it...
Theres a video of him being asked questions about being an incel i believe
@dontsay Ok you didn’t have to mention him at all being ugly but ok
@dontsay Ok, like I legit agreed with everything else you said but that was extra, there was no reason to put that
“Women attempt suicide more, but men actually go through with the process, cuz we believe in commitment.” 😂😂😂😂 I’m dead
Was a awesome comment
So are they
Tbf he has a point, I work in mental health, and the depression I’ve seen (most) women come in for therapy have issues with small things that didn’t go their way that stuck with them and made them feel sad, whereas with men it’s usually really crushing stuff that is really difficult to deal with
I think that comment went way over some people heads lol
That was a damn good comment lol
Girl with the dreads is so emotional you can tell she's about to cry whenever she talks
"women aren't attacking men, we are just trying to help you understand our problems"
"ok can you explain your problems?"
*proceeds to attack this man*
It's communism manipulative mindset
@Thim Paul The way to win argument is either you add racist,communist,bigot,sexist and you'll win.
@Thim Paul bruh I'm pretty sure they were making a joke lmfao, communism did have problems regarding people's right and even if promised with rights, people are often disregarded and only created new problems due to their tyranny. Plus it's a joke, because communism is commonly treated as a joke in most cases, unlike sexism, racism, etc.
@Thim Paul And if you really believe that insulting is an argument that makes you win, then you're underestimating people's logic. The reason why they've initiated a negative comment was because the person's logic was already bad, and that gives the insult worth. Insulting someone as an argument automatically means you're pretty useless at arguing, and I think most people acknowledge that
@Thim Paul That they simply made a joke in which you took too seriously, then eventually accused them of something they even aren't
When I first saw Derrick, I had an idea of what he would be like in my head, but I told myself "You can't judge by it's cover."
Well, sometimes the cover accurately portrays the book.
Aye ever read the communist manifesto?
lol sometimes the book has the synopsis on the front
@Fondil Mahbols Well they did a good job. They didn't do a great job on the women either tho.
He shouldn't count as a men's rights activist. He's clearly mgtow 😂
covers are literally designed for you to judge the book on... just saying...
You came with your "little research". He should apologize for having facts.
now she's being dismissive
Most of them are like that. Toxic hypocrites
I fell out 😂😂😂
This is a feminist debate! We don't want facts here! What it the matter with you?!
None of them came with research and they weren’t supposed to anyways
I've seen more men open these type of dialogue than women
Korsat and the Asian dude came for a Debate, they got a High School Argument instead.
Both sides in this are badly represented in this.
There is no good representation of incels.
Korsat was pretty good
The black chick and the Asian girl were alright.
The asian dude and redhead dude did alright too.
Relatively I guess.
true
blop yeah,and zach (the Asian dude) did good too,he just kept getting cut off
Why would a dude identify himself as an incel? That's basically saying, "Hi, I'm Derek. I can't get laid."
I mean... thats exactly what he said.
because some people dont want a family , dont want anything , or who knows maybe they cant get laid because humans are not slaves to get laid when you want , sometimes it happen not to get lai and sometims it happen never to get laid , that life , those people are too obsesed with sex and geting laid , dont , majority of peple dont want to get laid that why woman stay single , they like single , that life , they can choose
Because he's damaged. Being raised by a single mom, probably bullied, doesn't know how to integrate with other people, probably has a mental condition, so being led all his life he latches on to an excuse, a name.
Of course he was weird, he never had a chance.
Because for some reason he doesn’t believe we can hear him speak and decipher that for ourselves lol
@@boyfeminineagainstmasculin5940 incel is short for "involuntary celibate" meaning his desires for or against being in a relationship, having sex, having kids, having a family all mean jack shit because his wants arent part of being an incel.
"How dare you tell another human being that their experience is invalid"
same person 30 seconds before....
"Why do you need a Men's Rights activism group? I'm confused as to why you need that."
Hey man gotta give her a break her feminist programming couldn't handle the hot facts Kursat was spitting.
Thugnificent 😭😭😭 true
@@thugnificent7534 Kursat hit every point with facts and logic
@@thugnificent7534 BRRRUUUHHHH when that next album out?
Because men’s right is nothing more than male ego and insecurities trying to once again marginalized women. Men have never been oppressed. Any form of injustice a man face was more than likely brought upon by another man. 🤯
Jubilee was looking for an easy sabotage. And they found it.
Just because someone is Pro Men's Rights, doesn't mean they are Anti Woman's Rights. Why can't people wrap their minds around this?
Not just any people. Just 4th wave feminists. I hate em all. Smh.
Because pro men’s rights speakers always seem to be against women’s rights. Also, men have always had rights. What rights are men missing?
@@Laroc1982 You could say the same thing about Women's Rights Activists. They are very often anti-men. And I never said men were missing any rights. But now that you mention it....we could take a dive into divorce court statistics, alimony, infidelity, suicide, child custody, depression, victims of violent crime, prison rape, false rape accusations, online dating, and Twitch streaming if you'd like ;)
chewface Are you suggesting women are somehow responsible for all of those? If so, we are the most powerful creatures on earth. Damn
@@Laroc1982 C'mon man, let's not do that thing where you put words in my mouth and we turn this into an argument for literally no reason at all. Stereotypical comments section bullshit. Let's rise above!!!! Lol. Did you disagree with my initial comment? If so, how? If not, sup? Not sure whatcha want, bruh. Cuz you ain't getting a debate from me.
Kursat that one dude in anime with glasses.
😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Bro was packing heat, made them rage quit the whole convo
He's the Chad
Kurrurrin
😂😂😂😂
bruh she literally cut him off to dismiss his experiences and then when he asks her to give examples of her experiences she gets mad that he's "dismissing her experiences"??? i do not follow this logic at all
They just want to shout at men for the troubles in their lives because theyre not strong enough, they dont understand that thats not a gender specific trait, everyone feels powerless and pointless these days because the world has turned in to a big shop and we don't have a say, we all just have to keep packing the shelves while the bosses live the good life. Weird analogy maybe but it makes sense to me
Urayis wish l that’s why there are very few of us in healthy relationships.
Womens logic are not logic.
The green yard it’s not logic, it’s emotion. We suffered so you owe us. Lol no what about the silent suffering of men? They just take it and don’t bitch about it. My husband carries us financially and never complains. I keep the house and have his dinner ready, that’s the least I can do as a loving wife who appreciates my hardworking husband. I think values have been lost along the way as well but that’s another topic.
Projection
"I know you came with your little research or whatever" dude my eye literally twitched lmao
In my life time, one thing I have personally come to believe, is that people do not fight for equality. People fight for privilege. No matter what they say.
Basically correct, I would actually say they fight for personal empowerment and it is really hard for anyone to separate their feeling of personal empowerment from their perception of "fair" or "equal". The only solution I can think of it to support all groups to advocate for their own interests, while trying to be very aware any advocacy is biased by nature. It is wrong to assume any group has it all right, including those who advocate for universal egalitarian principles.
Sooo the civil rights movement wasn't about equality??? Lol fuck off.
Yeah like the privilege to vote, work, and own property. The greedy bitches.
@@driathunderwolf677 How can you be that far off the mark and think you're the moral one?
I do believe the civil rights and women’s rights movements started out as fighting for equality. However, a lot of progress has been made since then. The law has reached equality. Much of social culture has as well. Yes, there will always be *individuals* who choose to remain hateful and ignorant, but they no longer speak for the majority. They are no longer protected by the law. But if we acknowledge that progress and hold individuals accountable instead of lumping them into groups then who would feminists and BLM have to consider oppressors? How else would the Democratic Party convince them that they need “advocates” to counteract their victim hood?
Can we get incel boy and the vegan girl in the same room plz.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Deathmatch
Yes please
Pleaseeee 🤣🤣🤣
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I dont feel like we presented the most balanced and fair criticism but we really hadn't prepared for this one. That being said, looking back at it now, the women really were the ones who said the silliest things alongside Derrick. Hopefully yall enjoy it regardless.
Man these blackout shots y'all be having, shit reminds me of low budget African movies 😂😂😂😂
I think as long as you're giving your honest opinions, that's what matters. You both speak with sound logic & reasoning in your videos, regardless. ☺
They made a mistake by having that incel on there instead of an educated black male rights advocate.
Women talk about sexual talk behind closed doors.
Racist jokes normalizes racism. Sexist jokes normalizes sexism. What's so hard about understanding that?
She literally said “a creation of another group isn’t an erasure of the other group”
Proceeds to then say “Why do u need a whole MEN’S rights activist group??!!!!”
She literally acts like they’re trying to erase feminism for creating another group
"I see colored people" CRACKED ME UP
so meme-able.
LMFAO! 😂
Lol 😂
Aleysha: "When a movement is created, the other side often feels attacked"
Also Aleysha:"I don't understand what you need a men's rights movement for"
Wow, the hypocrisy.
i dont get your point. what are you trying to say? the women literally agree with the inequality in the justice system (what most feminists advocate against) while the men have a hard time sympathizing with a personal story of being sexually harassed
@@persephona668 I meant exactly what I wrote. The women in the video claim to understand and sympathize with men's problems in society yet they don't understand what men need a men's rights movement for and even seem to feel offended by it. These women want and have their own women's rights movement and claim that men feel attacked by it yet they react the same way to the idea of a men's rights movement. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.
saffy771 okay. feminism supports equality of all (men, women, gender-non-conforming) but the mens rights movement only supports men and the ‘removal’ of mens problems. so huh? why arent they supporting the women when the women are supporting the men. also, the men in the video claim to think women are better caregivers and are more capable of taking care of children (which i personally think is untrue) but also want more dads to get their daugthers and sons in court. pick a struggle.
@@persephona668 Feminists claim to do that but does feminism do really something that's actually beneficial for men in the long run? Except allowing men to be more traditionally feminine? It definitely focusses more on women's issues. It's already in the word "feminism", which stems from the Latin word "femina" which means woman. *Women's* march, *women's* rights, these are all main topics of feminism.
Also, there are so many different sorts of feminism. Ask one feminist what feminism is about and you'll find another feminist that disagrees with her definition of feminism. Every feminist has her own definition of what exactly it's about, so there's not that one universal feminism that cares about women as well as men. If it actually did, then why would it be called *fem*inism then? I'm all for equality between men and women but I would rather call myself an egalitarian than a feminist.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with women advocating for women's rights, but men should also be allowed to advocate for men's rights, since feminism focusses on women's issues, not men's. It just doesn't. Some feminists might acknowledge that men also have issues, but women care more about issues related to their own gender, just like men, it's normal. So it only makes sense that men are better at speaking up about men's issues because it's out of their own male perspective.
saffy771 i just love the fact that we have to convince every male ever that feminism also benefits them in order for them to take out fight for equality seriously.
“You came with your little research”
LOL bruh I lost it
Jamison K 😂 Like duh, you should’ve came with yours. Instead of speaking from emotion. Which I find most people don’t respond to. Emotions vary facts shouldn’t.
But the condescending on dismissive tone of it though.
*and*
Jamison K 😝😝😝😝😝
They always feel threatened when a man is taking the time to notice, research, and put stuff together b/c now they have to reach farther, lol
I've tried to explain to my Mother and All my Family and Friends about my Depression and Anxiety...
They just don't get it and they all turned out to be Toxic when I started therapy, quit smoking cigarettes, been alcohol free since Jan 2016...
Long story short. Blood Poison is real and it's only our decisions is our outcomes. It is what we know now that makes the difference.
I am happy for you getting therapy.
And blood doesn't mean shit, surround yourself with people who support you.
MRA: Have there been feminist organisations that have worked to help out with men's issues?
Feminist: *very confidently* Yes. Absolutely.
MRA: Okay. Give me sources.
Feminist: Whoa, hey. Let's not get crazy here.
I don't have to justify my fake news resources to you peons.
As I always say, never let facts get in the way of a good story.
It is unreasonable to expect her to remember names of the top of her.
It makes her point less strong - definitely. But not everyone can hold all the facts in the world.
She couldn't even hold a single fact to begin with. Stfu. Stop promoting degeneracy and incompetence.
@@eliwoods5683 I am pretty sure there are many facts that the men on the panel don't know.
She didn't know organisations pertaining to the question that Kustak raised. It's not incompetence, it's just not possible for a person to just know all the facts.
Why are you getting so angry?
"I know you came with your little research, or whatever..." aka "You're not letting me lead this conversation with emotion and I see you've got facts but..."
😂😂💯💯
🤣🤣🤣💯💯
Another version of “I just find it funny how....”
She was belittling him...
THIS!
THIS IS MOST ARGUMENTS WITH WOMEN! Gah damn they're so aggy 😂 you gotta spit facts in a way that circumvents their triggers.... FUUUUUUUUUCK lol
The producers needed Derrick because Kursat was making too much sense.
Facts bro
They had a man with a PhD and Title IX expert they had to find the least credible man willing to show up. Kurosat was probably a fluke in their plan.
I think they wanted them to actually fight each other. Put derrick against anyone and a fight is going to happen.
Derick isn't eloquent, but he's still correct.
You should see the full audio jubilee was biased see the full vid on kursat
This shouldn't even be a video. We are put here for one another. Man , Woman, & Child. The constant going back & forth isn't solving anything. People Innerstand that we need one another instead of trying to pick apart how different we are & try to figure out we can balance one another out. love & light to you all ☮️.
One thing this video made me realise is that WE aren't listening to each other
Its because of victim the mentality from both sides, they literally all think they are the victims, so its always "listen to me listen to me". I mean the male side couldn't even acknowledge that there toxic masculinity and the feminists just assumed that male rights are not important. What a dumb group of people
Kgabo Molele My exact opinion. I think instead of picking random people off the streets to speak, they get people with educational backgrounds in these types of subjects.
But, but...my feefees 😭 why won't you listen to me I have feefees!! 😡
Who's we? Feminists tend to not want to include men's issues in terms of equality and gender. Look at what happens when women who want to talk about men's issues and men who just want to raise awareness about both issues of men and women but men especially get from feminists(third wave feminists to be exact). They get death threats, doxed, bullied, and etc.
Everyone is in a bubble of their own experience and therefore there's no objectivity
Girl: why do you need a mens rights group?
Also girl: you’re being dismissive
Before someone explained it to me I thought it meant being anti femenist, just answer the question in a respectful way. Just like everyone should do when arguing for their cause.
@@elincarlsson6388 Basically trying to fix men issues. Like the idea that sexual assault towards men is lesser and or not important.
@@jorddalord5400 right
Kursat was great very good points backed by FACTS not feelings
Isn’t that the aim though. She’s not gonna talk about someone she knows nothing about or hasn’t experienced. It’s normal that she is gonna bring her experience into the mix cause that’s what made her a feminist
She gets mad at them for 'dismissing' her experiences yet dismissed everything valid they said.
"How dare you tell another human being their experiences aren't valid" while invalidating everything these male human beings have to say.
Somebody finally said it
Hypocrisy at its finest
SteviiLove this is why real men don’t argue with women, it’s a waste of time and energy, because there’s no point getting an intelligent debate with a women. I’m not talking about all women but in general. There’s some women are willing to have an intelligent debate with a man.
OMG thank you!!! I was going to come make the same comment!
Bro, they tried to invalidate statistics, it’s a fucking crock of shit. Those feminists were so rude and disrespectful and just shouting over men, it was disgusting, and they should’ve been called out on it.
That guy is not involuntarily celibate, he’s fat, he has a bad hairdo, he dresses bad, he probably games and lives online, what does he expect?!? I’m a member of “crimson capsule” thinking, but our main objective is bettering yourself to be worthy of good women and the sexual availability you desire. He can be who he is, but bitching about women not liking him is pointless, of course they don’t want you, look in the mirror, dude!
Its funny how we're supposed to watch what we say in our "locker room talks", but the "hair salon talks" are perfectly fine!
I remember having to go to a hair salon when I was younger, and hearing some of the things they would say about men...shit was wild!
Some would go as far as to bash their significant other in front of their "girlfriends"...from talking about how broke he was to his "weak sex game".
You can't talk about "respect" if you don't do it yourself!
Spoken like a fuckn king💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
I was waiting for someone to mention this.
If cats really heard how women talk about dudes....their husbands included in the group chat..or their private settings.....you wouldnt need a "red pill movement " that makes men reject relationships and marriage🔴
Mannnnnn!
@Jack park Agreed!
@@BlackSantana you'd have WAY more happily single men...that's for sure! lol
That’s crazy that she dismissed him and attacked him for dismissing her but she dismissed him
Right. He didn’t even dismiss her. He asked a valid question.
Women. Its about feelings, not logic or thought or consistency.
You know that was a dismissal “I don’t believe it” type of tone and question don’t be so naive. Both hands up as if he’s saying wtf are you talking about like cmon. But I do agree she overreacted in her reply it wasn’t that big of a dismissal
@@CarbonJackal13 it's not women, it's just a hypocritical person
Ahh you’re starting to understand modern feminism now.
"I know you came with your research or whatever..." Really? Is she trying to dismiss him for doing his research? Congrats, you just invalidated yourself.
Shame tactic really showed how insecure she is. If you can’t come back with facts just take the L. She tried to make him look bad but in reality she’s the loser.
"Your LITTLE research. Talk about being minimised and dismissive.
@@SlickArmor and extremely condescending.
@@stephsnacks1272 big time.
Damned if you do Damned if you don’t
It seems to me that one major issue here (on both sides) is that some things are so obvious to us that when the other side questions those things, it feels like they're dismissing us or that they're not even trying to understand. Like when one of the men asked when and how women get harmed by men, my instinctive answer as a woman is "Duh. Every other day when we leave our homes...?" I mean, I can't even wear tank tops anymore without being scared of getting harrassed, and I fear having to tie my shoelace in public as much as I fear spiders. Same when one of the women asked why there is a need for a men's rights movements, it's clearly shocking to people who know more on men's issues.
Men’s rights activism and women’s rights activism as a concept should not be in opposition to one another. If you have an opposition to one you are doing it wrong. Men and women should be equal across the board, whether or not that equality would benefit men or women in different circumstances is irrelevant.
If the equality benefits either men or women in different circumstances, it’s not equal, because one is benefiting from something the other isn’t.
Jaden Rush I apologize, I worded it weird that’s my bad. I mean that whether or not the change to equality causes a comparative benefit or comparative loss. For instance, men and women being considered equal in family court would be a comparative loss for women who benefit from the current bias in the system and a comparative benefit to men who are harmed by the bias. My point is that losing the biases we currently have that benefit our gender should be irrelevant in the fight for equality. Like I’ve seen many women gripe over the fact that they would lose privileges like men paying for dinner etc.
Brianna Figueroa Oh, Yes. That is how making things equal works.
Jaden Rush For sure, I was just trying to address the “feminists” that don’t really want equality but rather dominance. To have equality in aspects that would give them a comparative benefit to the current system, but want to preserve inequalities in our society that benefit them currently.
@@breebb First, I will apologize, because I might have missundertood what you said, and I don't want that, but taking it simple, Are you saying that equality doesn't have to do with having equal rights? If that's your point I have to disagree with you. The only time where a law should result in a benifit for someone based on something should be in special cases such as disabilities or some special conditions on age.
Today's system should secure equal rights for everyone, no matter religion, "race", ideology, etc... and ultimately SEX. A discrimation based on sex has only one definition "sexism", whatever if it's a positive or negative outcome. Do you want our world to be ruled based on discrimination? Or are you supporting the sexist idea of that women are like disabled people just because they're women and so the should have more rights than men?
You say that losing all those biases should be currently irrelevant (well, not counting the fact that discrimations in courts are not just simple biases like "not paying the dinner"). Based on your logic, every right in our legal systems that has been won over the years from (what I like to call truth) feminist, has been irrelevant and basically, things like having the right of voting, shouldn't be something that should have mattered in the past to fight for.
Now, again, I might be wrong and missunderstood, but as far as my english permits me and my attention grants me the enough reading comprehension, you said that certain things biased based on sex shouldn't be fought for. If it's that what you wanted to say (and not to possibly quote as wrong) I highly disagree, because equality should be fought for to make it real, no matter any common aspect such race, religion or sex.
If I did understand it wrong, please correct me. Otherwise, if you disagree with my arguments, please correct me too, let's argue.
That dude with the blue shirt can defend his side alone and he would completely stomp on anyone, dude got all the language and research you'll ever need
He got banned off Twitter, kicked out of his PhD program, and had a defamation article ran on him because of this video lol so I guess he wasn't too far off
@@Masturbation65 I guess there was his experience then. I wonder how the black feminist would have reacted to hearing that case of discrimination.
@FBar www.kursatchristoffpekgoz.com/
While I can't say that this video has direct correlation he was doing pretty good prior to its publication until he became under fire by feminist journalists afterwards. He's still an activist. All around I consider it an unfortunate outcome and it's in my opinion that if the video didn't receive so much attention he wouldn't have come under so much fire for going against the traditional equality narrative.
Oh well, best to just keep things quiet on the internet nowadays.
Mind you, if he had researched he would have been able to name the organisations himself. I think he just called their bluff.
@@lolaarcana At the time of this video being posted there were none. Even now, there are none.
Imagine hearing mens rights and the first thing that comes to your mind is "*AGGRESSION*"
If you think modern day feminism is about equality you're either willfully ignorant or you're misinformed
Feminism is cancer. And a malignant one.
Unfazed it’s about women basically wanting to switch gender roles. They want to be masculine.
Remember they don't define all the feminists movement. They are entitled to their opinion, but in no way shape or form do these 3 represent the collective of us. I am feminist, and the first things I thought about were certainly : hypermasculinity standards, lack of emotional "rights" for men, (I did not even finish the video yet).
Fatimata Kane I understand where you are coming from but it does show how a lot of feminist think and they kept dismissing the dudes when they were trying to show their truth. Idk how many times I’ve talked to a feminist and they do the same things.
Speaking Truth To me you are apart of the minority then, cause every feminist I met is exactly like this and it’s agitating cause the conversation can never progress
She's right about it being more than rights, if a guy touches you and you say stop and they don't, that's wrong. I don't recall woman not having the right to say no though, or men having the special right to do that. That's someone doing something wrong, it's not society saying you don't have the right to say no, it's someone doing something wrong, and ignoring you saying no. Sexual assault is wrong, it's terrible and bad, but it doesn't happen because woman don't have rights, it happens because some people are terrible people
There is a such thing as toxic masculinity the same way there’s a such thing as toxic femininity. People want to act like one is toxic and the other is some untouchable virtue when just like most things it’s way more complicated then that. Both can be really bad for someone and for us as a group if taken to the extreme. Just like both are valuable tools in life when used appropriately... IMO of course
exactly!
I feel like the movie Mean Girls is the perfect example of toxic femininity. It was apparently based off a book that examined how teenage girls interact with each other so that's probably why.
Why even gender it though, basically people can be assholes, regardless of gender.
@@greenamigo4553 EXACTLYYYY
I'm pretty sure a-holes don't go around thinking about their masculinity when they are being a-holes. So what is it called when a women does it?
She literally said "we need help" AFTER she yelled at dude that she could protect & take care of HERSELF...ugh, it's too much! I'm out...😂😂😂😂
@Jim Dawson - I was just talkin about the contradictions yesterday. It's funny that women want to say what makes a good man, but as soon as a man says what they want in a woman, we are being sexist because it's not what they believe.
''We need help'' was indicator of we need help men to stand with us , fight TOGETHER. We don't need them to fight our battles while we sit back and watch , no. we do it Together. we need their support, we don't need them to wrap us in a bubble.
I can go to military, I can train, I can defend myself if I need to . If men need emotional support, if they are abused, I want to support them, doesn't mean I fight for them. Means I fight WITH them . feminists don't hate men , even though most of you think that because the word ''feminist'' starts with ''femin'' it should be laughed at and of course ridiculed, because who would want to associate themselves with women right? look around you. You are associated to women from the moment of your conception. Women give you life. you love your mother, but don't want her to have the same opportunities your father would have?
You say Feminists hate men but you show just how much you hate women, your mothers, daughters, sisters, by not supporting their fight for equality.
Jim Dawson they fought in the past only for women because women had no rights , basic ones as in owning their own money. Now feminism fights for both sexes . There are radicals so called “feminazis” which true feminists be it men women or non-binary person won’t ever associate themselves with. Brother , this is not a fight against each other , it is a fight against a system that has destroyed connection between human beings and made a world that is supposed to be beautiful , ugly . We have the power to make it beautiful again. We can do it together .
@Jim Dawson Because they don't. It's literally in their name, and they're trying to downplay the name as if we are stupid. If you were REALLY about untiy between the sexes, you'd fight as a humanist, but there's no money/clout in that, now is there?. You chose feminism because it serves you a benefit while hiding under the banner of "helping the community", but the track record of feminism has declined since the 90's and its not looking good for your tribe.There are plenty of other movements that use this same tactic of being the hero for the masses, but engaging in underhanded, destructive behavior.
salome AB We don't think feminists hate men because it has the word "femin" in it, we believe that because we see it, on video, audio, & live television has shown us overwhelming proof of such. And no, we don't hate women, even though you'd like to think that.
My father told me that "A man is a man when he no longer has to tell himself anything and has no inner conflict (basically slay all your inner demons and be able to be alone with your own thoughts in silence without any struggle)...............he never had to say son dont rape or abuse anyone 😂😂😂😂
God bless your father, I took that advice as a woman. Seriously to be content and confident with one's self with out any out side influence is powerful.
"has no inner conflict" ? Being a devloping human being means learning to deal with inner conflict. Inner conflict is the fuel for lige
@@MrZxcvbnm22 That's why his father said it's the point he turned into a man.
"Men don't want to have this open dialogue" seeing the way women respond. I just way to die sooner.
“Women escape the death penalty”
“Ya but I’m talking about basic needs”
What’s more basic as a need than to LIVE!? Lol
I think she meant "basic" as something most people in society struggle with
@@nadiar.4638 people struggle more to live than with anything else... lol
@@nadiar.4638 I don’t know about that man. Every time I try to buy a box of cereal, I’m getting arrested and put in trial for the death penalty. Seems like pretty “basic” struggle to me.
@Baraggan Louisenbairn Honey bunches of oats. Probably the most illegal cereal.
@@Uneke respectfuly idk if ur dumb but most people don’t struggle with the death penalty daily or even in their life time
"Everyone has their own kind of locker room talk." FACT.
GO check the dude channel he actually recorded the whole debat bcz he didn't trust jubilee , and he was right they cut the majority of arguments :facts and statistics that he mentioned :ruclips.net/video/n6BWloLPixw/видео.html
@@bilalfares930 👍
Girl group chats, or them going to the bathroom at the same time.
Them mfs ruthless
@@bilalfares930 Good on him! No one who comes on their channel should trust them.
To be fair, the Asian dude didn’t get much of a chance to talk because they kept interrupting him. I would like to think he would be on the same level as Kursat.
Why because he is asian?
@@commonsenseamerica1685 no when he did eventually get a chance he showed his knowledge
he was, but nevery got shine like Kursat, the reason is cause of the way he presented himself, he approached this with a beta level confidence instead of an alpha level like kursat
Dumb bitches always cutting men off.
@Xavier Thomas do mean it literally or figuratively
*makes condescending face* "I didn't bring a list, my dude". Somebody just got called out for not knowing shit yet running their mouth and their response is sass.
"I know that you came with your little research, or whatever-"
There it is, folks. Let's wrap it up
KingTimmahB she made it seem like it was a bad thing to come prepared. She even gave him that disgusted look like “how dare you come prepared”
Toxic femininity
Lmao when I first saw this when it was released I was like... 🧐 that actually came out of someone's mouth... And they weren't joking???????? 🤣 How could you put down research?! 😂
@@jrbionic404 just remember, she can take care of herself, as she put it. Someone needs to tell her that a smartphone and mace aren't enough. But maybe I missed her UFC debut.
I mean I would’ve came with my reasearch aswell 😂😂😂
Asian guy was probably the most level headed and sympathetic guy on here fr
he was kinda adorable tbh, with his smart sounding voice. He sounds like he could be a teacher or something
@MelloYellow308 i mean i don't really agree with some of the things he says but he's not bad looking
@@dummyc0w194 🤣
@@josh-xk6kn what???
@@josh-xk6kn let me simp, ok?
The black girl should not be in that video. She isn't just Feminist, she personally just has a problem with the male Gender🤦🏾♂️ that's wild😂 take her homeeee😭😭😭
She's a feminazi
@@bravejonah "would you call yourself a nazi" "ummm, I would" lmao🤣😂
@@mberecclesskid It's like she wants to feel entitled just because she's a female.
She needs a Therapist
She seemed very Hostile from the start
And then she snapped out of no where
Her mood stability is out of wack lol
Are we talking about the black girl in the middle or the one on the far-left (pun entirely intended)
Wait the one girl told the guys that she doesn’t feel like the problems they talked about is what men face as a whole, and that it was their individual experiences and feelings so it’s not valid but then she goes onto to explain her own individual experiences as examples how woman face abuse from men, but how are her individual experiences valid and not the men’s?
“How dare you tell a human to their face that their experiences aren’t valid.”
Is told some factual negative experiences that men have.
“Why do you need whole movement for men’s rights?”
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@Jennifer Boehm People like you are the problem with the feminist movement, i hope you realise that some day.
@Jennifer Boehm Your exes/the men you interact with =/= all men. Learn not to generalize, that's your first step to become a reasonable human being.
@Jennifer Boehm See, "men should elevate their women", meaning women should be above men. You're just sexist and not about equality.
@Jennifer Boehm That's why i mentioned "the men you interact with", funny that you apparently know a man that doesn't put others down, but somehow hold the belief that all men put others down.
@Jennifer Boehm So which is it? Is there men that don't put others down or is your SO not a man?
The black gal should of sat out of this one, she didn't represent anything. She's headlines and personal issues.
You don't determine large-scale policies based off of individual stories. Why the fuck do some people think the world is evil if they don't prioritize their specific problems over everything else?
@@onpoint2292 they look for someone to blame if their life is shitty
inter gal facts
Fr, she brought nothing to the table other than personal experience and trying to imply that guys are aggressive about trying to hit someone up.
@@thatoneniggayoshi7240 You must have not been around too many feminist circles. That's a go-to narrative of their's; they call it "rape culture". It basically implies that male-dominated society gives men a sense of entitlement to women's bodies.
Dude walked in there with a collared shirt, shorts and a yellow Spider-Man hoodie 😂 giving me 6th grade vibes💀
Deadass, any grown man dressed like that should not be taken seriously. Cherry on top is he's proud to be an incel like are you serious, you don't get women Derrick stfu 😂😂