Just a note: I do want to revisit this comparison in the future with a fresher mind. I was just spending a lot of time back and forth and double checking that I wasn't setting one of them up wrong, and felt like that experience alone was worth this video.
the dual rec on the quad cortex has its sweet spot with the master set to between 0 and 1 at most, anything over that goes into horrible sag and saturates like crazy. I spent a long time wondering why the quad cortex's dual rectifier sounded like absolute crap (by default it opens with the master at 3) until I discovered this.
Odd choice but IME I am the most satisfied using free VST and IRs from the past : Lecto, catharsis/fredman IRs, maybe some boosting from TS808 sims. I like vintage mode on red channel the most for the crunchy hi gain tone.
Hi Goose, keep up the work, great effort so far! I'd like to know how you dial in tones, becuase in this particular video you tried to make the 3 modelers to sound as close as possible, but I think that they sounded very different anyway, and maybe this happened because of two reasons (maybe!): - you did not take proper ear rest (every hour or so 5 to 10 minutes of silence or maybe listening to different sound than what you are working for can "reset" your listening perspective tonewise) - you did not dialed tone in the proper SPL (take a look to Fletcher-Munson curves to have a reference). Rule of thumb here is to dial tone or mixes at around 80/83 Db (with your phone you can look for an app to take that measurement); then you'll find the audio spectrum to be the "flattest" as possible with your loudspeaker. Just my 2 cents of course! Let me know your thoughts about that!
I typically play some clean tones in between 10-min sessions to make sure I'm not ear fatigued or adapting ears to the tone, and I usually record samples in a DAW beforehand and listen back after resting as well. In my other videos on other amp models, they end up sounding fairly similar. This one in particular, it's because of the amp models. Example: there was no way for me to get the brightness from the Quad Cortex without an additional EQ block, even with the Treble and Presence maxed (and it no longer sounded good). I mentioned changes to get them "closer" but I never said that they would be close. Hope this helps!
@@TheGooseChaseMusic For sure the models are fairly different in this case! Mine were just advices but I was pretty sure that you were already doing so! Keep up the work! Best regards
@@edoardoangelini I appreciate that, and I'm always aware that I can make mistakes as well. I would like to revisit these Dual Rectifier models with a fresh mind in the future.
I never jived with the Helix or the Ax8 version of the Recto, anything outside of the factory parameters and the amps become uncontrolled chaotic mess. My experience with trying to dial in the a tone with those 2 units was unsuccessful. I have had the QC now for almost 2 months and I have been afraid to touch the Recto's because of the aforementioned modelers...That being said, I love the KSR modded Recto capture from Amp Guru hahaha.
For me, it was in descending order of preference. Helix best (and I have a Stomp), then FM9 and finally the QC. I know that tweaking can make a big difference but comparatively, the QC patch sounded like ass to me.
Friend, I have a mesa dual rectifier, when I use it with a loadbox, the same impulse and I compare it with the fm3, the helix and ampero mini, none of them sound the same. I would like to see someone compare the real amp with the modelers to see if this is something that also happens or if it is because my mesa dual rectifier has some kind of problem (valve, different electronic construction, I don't know).
Hard to say without playing it myself, but if the amp has volume and saturates correctly, I wouldn't worry. It's well known that the Rectifier is a hard amp to model for a variety of reasons. If you are concerned, an amp tech could answer better than me.
Just a suggestion, mix the guitar parts louder for these videos. I have to turn up the playing a bunch then when your voice comes back on it’s really loud.
I have to get a tonex capture to make some from my dual Rectifier, i allways hope to get a good capture for tonex but none sound like the real deal and im using the cheapest cab with v30, the hb one 😂
Just my two cents, if a guitarist prefers a certain amp tone, it's up to the producer to bring that out on the record. With enough effort, a 5150 and Rectifier could sound "the same", but it'd be doing a disservice to the player imho.
Sorry to be that guy but that mic sounds bad. It's hollow and the pre EQ curve trying to emulate an SM7B sounds so off. Broadcaster or Procaster sounds much better. I worked for RODE for quite some time. We all hated the POD mic sound, haha. People always sent them in because they thought it was broken. Turns out it just sounds bad.
Just a note: I do want to revisit this comparison in the future with a fresher mind. I was just spending a lot of time back and forth and double checking that I wasn't setting one of them up wrong, and felt like that experience alone was worth this video.
the dual rec on the quad cortex has its sweet spot with the master set to between 0 and 1 at most, anything over that goes into horrible sag and saturates like crazy. I spent a long time wondering why the quad cortex's dual rectifier sounded like absolute crap (by default it opens with the master at 3) until I discovered this.
Great video man! Keep it up!
"Double rectum fire" sounds dangerous. Thanks for the comparison! I like your approach and your style. And this shit is really helpful!
Odd choice but IME I am the most satisfied using free VST and IRs from the past : Lecto, catharsis/fredman IRs, maybe some boosting from TS808 sims. I like vintage mode on red channel the most for the crunchy hi gain tone.
Seems like I'm a Fractal fan. That's my fave here, although Helix is solid as well.
Cheers Goose
Helix sounds really good
Hi Goose, keep up the work, great effort so far!
I'd like to know how you dial in tones, becuase in this particular video you tried to make the 3 modelers to sound as close as possible, but I think that they sounded very different anyway, and maybe this happened because of two reasons (maybe!):
- you did not take proper ear rest (every hour or so 5 to 10 minutes of silence or maybe listening to different sound than what you are working for can "reset" your listening perspective tonewise)
- you did not dialed tone in the proper SPL (take a look to Fletcher-Munson curves to have a reference).
Rule of thumb here is to dial tone or mixes at around 80/83 Db (with your phone you can look for an app to take that measurement); then you'll find the audio spectrum to be the "flattest" as possible with your loudspeaker.
Just my 2 cents of course!
Let me know your thoughts about that!
I typically play some clean tones in between 10-min sessions to make sure I'm not ear fatigued or adapting ears to the tone, and I usually record samples in a DAW beforehand and listen back after resting as well.
In my other videos on other amp models, they end up sounding fairly similar.
This one in particular, it's because of the amp models. Example: there was no way for me to get the brightness from the Quad Cortex without an additional EQ block, even with the Treble and Presence maxed (and it no longer sounded good). I mentioned changes to get them "closer" but I never said that they would be close.
Hope this helps!
@@TheGooseChaseMusic For sure the models are fairly different in this case!
Mine were just advices but I was pretty sure that you were already doing so!
Keep up the work!
Best regards
@@edoardoangelini I appreciate that, and I'm always aware that I can make mistakes as well. I would like to revisit these Dual Rectifier models with a fresh mind in the future.
So we know there is no right/wrong Rectifier sound now, but which one is your favorite?
My joke answer: PRS Archon.
My actual answer, I guess probably the Helix, if pressed.
@@TheGooseChaseMusic Weird, your joke answer was the better choice 🤔
I never jived with the Helix or the Ax8 version of the Recto, anything outside of the factory parameters and the amps become uncontrolled chaotic mess. My experience with trying to dial in the a tone with those 2 units was unsuccessful. I have had the QC now for almost 2 months and I have been afraid to touch the Recto's because of the aforementioned modelers...That being said, I love the KSR modded Recto capture from Amp Guru hahaha.
For me, it was in descending order of preference. Helix best (and I have a Stomp), then FM9 and finally the QC. I know that tweaking can make a big difference but comparatively, the QC patch sounded like ass to me.
The Rectifier on the QC is definitely not a favorite among users.
Friend, I have a mesa dual rectifier, when I use it with a loadbox, the same impulse and I compare it with the fm3, the helix and ampero mini, none of them sound the same. I would like to see someone compare the real amp with the modelers to see if this is something that also happens or if it is because my mesa dual rectifier has some kind of problem (valve, different electronic construction, I don't know).
Hard to say without playing it myself, but if the amp has volume and saturates correctly, I wouldn't worry. It's well known that the Rectifier is a hard amp to model for a variety of reasons. If you are concerned, an amp tech could answer better than me.
Just a suggestion, mix the guitar parts louder for these videos. I have to turn up the playing a bunch then when your voice comes back on it’s really loud.
I have to get a tonex capture to make some from my dual Rectifier, i allways hope to get a good capture for tonex but none sound like the real deal and im using the cheapest cab with v30, the hb one 😂
No 2 revisisions of rectifiers sound the same...
Not even two of the same revision, sometimes.
But, but, Glen says a 5150 sounds the same as a Dual Rectum Fryer.
How is it that two Dual Rectal Flyers sound considerably different? 🤣🤣🤣
Just my two cents, if a guitarist prefers a certain amp tone, it's up to the producer to bring that out on the record. With enough effort, a 5150 and Rectifier could sound "the same", but it'd be doing a disservice to the player imho.
I love the fractal version the most...getting pumped on getting an FM 9 turbo mark II !
My FM9T is my most used by far.
Sorry to be that guy but that mic sounds bad. It's hollow and the pre EQ curve trying to emulate an SM7B sounds so off. Broadcaster or Procaster sounds much better. I worked for RODE for quite some time. We all hated the POD mic sound, haha. People always sent them in because they thought it was broken. Turns out it just sounds bad.