Now you've gone too far. Kareem is one of the most efficient players of all-time literally (PER). He scored over 38,000 pts without a 3-point line in the paint in an era where they didn't call fouls
Dominated the weakest era in nba history. The best from the 60s were retired or old. Or they best was playing in the ABA. Its like chavez sr. He’s a legend but his career is overrated. Vast majority of his fights were bums
@@NotGord Never said anything about the 60s, I said he wasn’t that guy in the 80s. He dominated the 70s but in a weak era & only has 1 chip & didn’t have much playoff success after & missed the playoffs two consecutive years in his prime in the 70s. In the 80s he can score a little but his last two chips he was a role player not even an all star. Plus Kareem was a below average rebounder as a C, guys like Bill Lambeir averaged more boards than Kareem in the 80s
Great video. There's definitely a lot more that can be said about Kareem's career and his era, but it would make it a 30+ minute video. A decent amount of information was new to me such as Clyde Lee's defense in 1973. It's good that you take the extra effort to research those things. Around 2008 or 2009 was when I first learned about Kareem missing the playoffs twice, and I was shocked that I had never heard of it brought up before. When I was a kid I just saw 6 rings, 6 MVPs, and #1 in scoring. Without more modern resources to look into those numbers in more detail, it just seemed natural to put Kareem in the top 2 or 3 of all-time. It's good that now some people are starting to actually analyze Kareem's career in more detail, even if it's only on a small level. Someone sent me a clip where Broussard actually brought up Kareem's shortcomings in missing the 1975 and 1976 Playoffs, which really surprised me because I had never before heard of anyone in sports media criticizing Kareem for any of his shortcomings. This is mostly because his prime was in such a forgettable era that most people don't have the knowledge or desire to actually examine the quality, or lack thereof, of his accomplishments or examine the black marks in his career. There's a few corrections I'd like to make 5:10 - you meant to say Gus Johnson of the Bullets but mentioned Gus Williams of the Sonics instead 11:55 - Adrian Dantley first joined the Lakers in the 1978 season and Playoffs. He was with Buffalo in 1977. 13:20 - Due to the easier playoff format, top seeds were given a bye to skip the 1st Round and start the Playoffs in the 2nd round / ECSF / WCSF. So although Kareem only won 2 playoff series from 1975 - 1979 (once apiece in 1977 and 1979), he did actually make the 1977 WCF or the 3rd round while only having to win 1 playoff series.
Kareem is overrated. 6x mvps in the weakest era of the NBA. Magic carried him to his rings. He only has 1 ring as the leader. He had great longevity, but isnt a better scorer than Jordan, Durant, Kobe. To me he isn't a top 3 center. 1) Wilt Chamberlain, 2) Hakeem, 3) Russell, 4) Shaq, 5) Kareem.
Your information on Kareem on your site is wrong and biased. Kareem actually won the 1980 Finals MVP before the voters were pressured to change their votes. Just to name one of the big ones.
Hey NTJ. I read your page on worst NBA Finals performances. I don't know if you're still updating, but I think Karl Malone 1997 should be on that list.
@@redpillfreedom6692 he doesn't post anymore. I read one of his comments saying that he actually retired and started focusing on personal life. Last time I followed him on Twitter but his account is gone
For people who see things and immediately decide to regurgitate obnoxious and irrelevant information, this video is extremely misleading. So many things are said with absolutely 0 context. One glaring example is how you state how well Dave Cowens played in the 1974 Finals compared to Kareem. You completely leave out that in game 7 of the finals that year Oscar shot 2-13 and scored 6 points. You give Oscar all the credit until he underperforms and then it’s Kareem’s fault. Comical. First round of 1981 playoffs vs Rockets do or die game 3 - Kareem: 32 points, 18 rebounds, 4 assists. Magic: 10 points 2-14 shooting. We all know how Magic underperformed in the 1984 Finals and cost Kareem another Finals MVP. Kareem for the series: 27 / 8 / 4 / 2 / 2 and 29 in game 7. Give me a break on how Magic and Oscar saved his legacy. You nitpick Kareem’s failures and then call him “the most overrated player in NBA history” when you can do that for every single consensus top - 10 career player of all time. You sound like a Jordan-Stan who is insecure of another legend challenging his place in history. Stop reaching so hard and give it a break.
Also, if they kept track of blocks and steals for the first 4 years of Kareem’s career he would be: #1 All-Time in points, #3 All-Time in rebounds, #1 All-Time in blocks, #1 in career assists for a center, and 1,500 steals.
So you’re argument is based around 2 games? He talked about a ton of things that are just facts of what happened throughout his long career. Also those Lakers teams were some of the most loaded rosters in NBA history so a magic Johnson poor shooting night could be made up by a lot more players than just Kareem
I grew up playing and watching basketball in the 70's (my middle school, high school, and early college years), and Kareem was hands down the most dominant player of the decade, who could have been voted the MVP almost every year during that time. That certain players or teams had occasional success controlling him, and that he did not always have the best players around him did not keep him from having his team in the hunt almost every year that he played. He was drafted by a small market expansion team and turned them into an instant contender. Perhaps the only thing comparable is what Lebron was able to do for the Cavs decades later. Unfortunately, most people are only familiar with Jabbar after Magic Johnson joined him when he was already in his 30's with the Lakers, and was soon willing to pass the baton. Kareem is top 5 all time without a doubt, and there are plenty of arguments that his NBA career was the best of all time.
I don't know about top 5 WITHOUT a Doubt? You have guys like LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, that could be regarded as better because of their all around games and played vs more difficult competition. I get Kareem put up great numbers in points and rebounds, but he didn't have great shake n bake moves, he was all sky hook. He couldn't move like Hakeem and couldn't dribble the ball worth a dang either. He's def a top 15 guy or whatever and can make an argument for even better but I wouldn't say top 5 without a doubt. Def some doubt because of his ERA and the lack of ballers during the 70s. The 80s is when it started to get serious. Before the 80s there were a lot of shit players that would never make the NBA today.
‘77 playoffs against the Blazers, you tell me what more could Kareem have done? 30 PPG, 60% shooting from the field, 16 RPG, 3.8 BPG, he led every player in PPG, RPG, and BPG. Look up the 1988 NBA Finals Game 6, final minute. Kareem is in decline, that is obvious, but guess who they give the ball too when it mattered most? Lakers trusted old man Kareem and even if you think he wasn’t fouled on the play, guess what? He sunk both free throws with his team on the brink of elimination. We all know Shaq or Wilt couldn’t do that, just shows how great Kareem was. Overall man your video glossed over a lot. Yea, Kareem isn’t perfect, no player is, but he is no doubt top 3. He couldn’t decide the era he played in. Also, 4th quarter of Game 5 of the 1980 NBA Finals, Kareem drops 14 on a swelled up ankle and 40 total for the game. Look it up. Put some respect on his name. He wasn’t flashy and he didn’t get along with people but who cares the man played damn good basketball.
They keep bringing up "6 titles", "look at his HS, college and pro careers." When size at the lower level, Really tends to dominate. Kareem was largely looked at like Wilt, dominant, but didn't win enough. Kareem can't thank Magic enough.
Kareem wasn’t even the best player on his own team for half his career. That’s why he only won 2 FMVPs out of 6 rings. And his 2nd FMVP should have been Magic’s with a Finals all time record average 14 APG in 1985
Kareem's "6 titles " don't equal Jordan's. And it has nothing to do with the era they played in, either. At no time was Jordan not his team's best player. Kareem was in probably 2, possibly 3 of the 6.
1976 was a weird time for the NBA. There were 18 teams in the league and nine per conference, with 2 divisions per conference. 5 teams had to make it from each conference, and this is where division rules come into play. There was a limit on how many teams from each division could make it. Specifically that there had to be at least two teams from each division to make it to the playoffs. This heavily messed up the West playoffs that year because it kicked out the 40-42 Lakers (who would’ve been the four seed if the seedings were done like they are now) and replaced them with two below 40 win teams in the other division. And don’t act like Kareem had super stacked teams in the 70s and was a flat out loser when he had zero all stars in 1976, 1977, 1978, and 1979. Also I think you forgot that Kareem missed 20 games in 78 due to broken hand which 1. caused him to miss the all star game and was likely why Walton was selected over him for the All NBA Team (along with Portland being amazing when he was on the court), and 2. heavily affected their record and playoff results given that they were 37-25 with Kareem on the court in 1978 (translates to a 48 win record vs the 45 they got in 78), which means that they would’ve played the 44 win Brian Winters & Marques Johnson led Bucks in the first round vs the eventual West champs in the Sonics.
If Shaq or Hakeem played with Magic and Oscar their whole careers with their primes in a league that didn't even have all the best players (Dr. J, Barry, Gervin, Gilmore, Cunningham, Thompson, etc) and was full of sub-50 win Finals teams, they'd be challenging Bill Russell's rings record. Kareem wouldn't win any rings as the leader in their shoes when the only time he did win as the leader was with Oscar leading the Playoffs in APG and while playing against the weakest opponents of any title team in 1971.
Hakeems rings don't mean much either. In 94 Jordan didn't play and in 95 he returned late in the season and was really rusty. If MJ didn't retire for baseball, Hakeem would have 0 rings.
Most overrated center ever. He's not a better basketball player than Kevin Durant. Durant better scorer, better shooter, more efficient overall with higher true shooting %, better passer, better handles, more clutch. Kareem is just a better defender.
Right. I believe that bullets team was barely over 500. They were definitely one of the weakest teams to ever play for a title. And Wes Unseld at 6'7 just wasn't gonna bother young Kareem much.
@@TheHoopGod_23 The Finals Kareem made without Magic, his team won the title in one and in another lost in 7 games! That's far better than what Magic accomplished only winning only 1 game!
@@heart4yah881 Kareem won with the top five point guard magic made it to the finals without the top 20 center & when Magic got injured KAJ got 🧹 in 89 finals please stop this is getting uglier for KAJ he was a top 5 PG merchant 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheHoopGod_23 Magic was there with Kareem in 83 when they the Lakers got swept by the Sixers! Magic cost KAJ a Finals MVP in 84 against Boston when he shrank under the pressure! So, what's your point? If Kareem was as lackluster as you say, then why did Magic say that their half-court offense ran through Kareem - that he was their #1 option? Why did Worthy, Michael Cooper and Byron Scott say KAJ was the greatest player of all time? Evidently, they knew something that has escaped your mindset!
@@heart4yah881 Magic won the Fmvps w/O KAJ in 1980 magic not one who got Outplayed by Moses Malone in 1983, 👈👈👈 KAJ cost him self in the title in 1984 he got outplayed & out rebounded by Larry Bird who is shorter than him like i said stop while youre behind it’s getting uglier for KAJ he’s a top 5 pg merchant
This is exactly what I've been saying! Kareem is not held to the same standard as Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, and others. People are so quick to point out the failures and shortcomings of these players; people nitpick and dissect their careers. But people don't dig into Kareem's career. It's just "6 rings, 6 MVPs, all time points leader, and skyhook" with no context. Kareem is certainly a great player (I still have him top 10) but he is overrated.
Most people have him in the top ten where he should be. Why are we nitpicking the accomplishments of a great man from 40 years ago? No matter how good someone does, there is someone to say it's no good. And that someone usually hasn't done shit themselves. Every NBA great has games that make them less than perfect. Just because people dwell on other athletes shortcomings, we have to dredge up Kareem's shortcomings. Who we going after next, George Mikan?
Most have him top 5. Most have Kobe top 10 but Kobe should be higher than Kareem all time cause Kobe contributed more to most of his rings. In Kareem’s last two rings he won in 87 & 88 he wasn’t even an all star level player he was a role player & was really carried on his back by Magic. If Kobe averaged 17 PPG or 14 PPG like Kareeem did in 87 & 88 we wouldn’t hear the end of it & Kobe would be a top 30 or top 40 player if he did that. Kareem gets elevated for longevity & compiling big #s in the 70s even though he wasn’t winning anything other than that 71 chip. Kareem dominated the 70s which was the weakest era ever with no dominant teams, the 70s was so bad the NBA was on tape delay & a lot of those guys were playing in the game high off cocaine with the disco era during that time. Kareem legacy was saved by Magic & he was carried by Magic in 4 of the 5 rings they won. Kareem is super overrated, it’s so crazy the hype Kareeem gets, people really think Kareem contributed more Lakers rings than Magic. Magic literally created Showtime Lakers & put up prolific assists #s never seen before, only John Stockton has put up similar assists #s but unlike Stockton Magic had the higher rebounding & more points to contribute with the assists
Proves that anyone can shoot his mouth off on line. Those of us who were around in the 70's and 80's and most individuals who really know bb appreciate the greatness of KAJ. Players in the 70's were: Chamberlain, West, Cowans, Barry, Erving, Gilmore, Walton, Hayes, Unseld, Havilchek, Thurmond, Robertson all HOFs. Except for a fading Oscar (check his stats) none of these players played with Kareem. Why do most experts place KAJ in the top 3 of all time? You claim to know better. What are your impeccable credentials? Anyone who knows anything about the 80 finals including Magic Johnson knows full well that Kareem was primarily responsible for leading the Lakers to wins in the first 3 games of the series that paved the way for Magic's heroics in game 6. Also would anyone in his right mind suggest that Kevin M deserved the mvp in the 1985 finals? It has only happened once in NBA history that a player on the losing team received the trophy. Kareem was the unanimous pick for the honour that year. Kareem scored 32 against Parish and Walton in the clinching game of the 87 series at the age of 40. What was Jordan doing at that age: missing the playoffs in consecutive years. You go on and on about how much Kareem needed Magic and Oscar for his success yet you neglect to mention that neither player won a title without Kareem. Oh yes, Trump won the election in 2020.
Kobe contributed way more in the rings that he won compared to Kareem. If Kobe averaged 17 PPG & 14 PPG like Kareem did in 87 & 88 people wouldn’t hear the end of it, Kobe would be a top 30-40 player if he did that. People have the nerve to say Kareem was better than Magic in this Finals run. Magic put up prolific assists #s never seen before other than Stockton doing it in the modern era & was a leader & was the guy that created Showtime Lakers in the 80s. Kareem couldn’t do anything without Magic other than that 71 chip. Unlike Kareem, Kobe proved he can win without Shaq winning a chip with Gasol who isn’t close or even half the player Magic was
Only a youngster would even say something this insane from elementary to Jr high to high school to college to the NBA Kareem dominated at every level he was the all time scoring leader no play in history resume can compare to his Kareem is the goat.
Great first video man! Glad to see that some people have the same feelings about Kareem. Still great of course, but not as great as folks make him seem at times. Just subbed lol
I liked the video and the depth put into it but have to disagree on a few points. Kareem absolutely deserved the 85 FMVP. After a terrible game 1, for the next 5 games Kareem averaged 28.4 points, 10.2 rebounds, 6.0 assists on 61% shooting. Magic was piling up assists because of Kareem. Magic also had a drop in his shooting % in this series of 6.7% compared to the regular season. Kareem was without question the leader to this title. Since you seem to favor Magic, I feel it is only fair to discuss Magic's failures while playing with Kareem. The 84 Finals had several key mistakes at crucial times and Magic was the player who made them. If LA had won game 7 in Boston, Kareem would have been the FMVP and not Magic. In game 7 Kareem scored 29 points on 12 of 22 shooting and outplayed Parish throughout the series. And in 1980 Kareem was voted to win the FMVP AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present CBS asked the voters to change their votes so Magic would win the award. This is covered in the book "Kareem" pages 140-141. Kareem is why LA won the other 3 games. And in 1981 playoffs vs Rockets, in the deciding game at the Forum, Magic is why LA lost that game. Magic in 47 minutes scored 10 points on 2 of 14 shooting and was 6 of 11 from the FT line. Magic missed 2 FT late in the game and then on the last possession shot an air ball from 10 feet out. Kareem had outplayed Moses in that game but you are leaving out Magic's bad game. And Magic had come back from his injury in game 65 of the regular season so he had 17 games to get ready for this playoff match. I feel context needs to be applied toward these games and situations. Thanks!
@@rainbowthunderlove8375 I don't think you understand how wrong you are. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a genuine candidate for GOAT. Bryant is the definition of an inefficient ball hog.
Criteria for GOAT; MUST be in the conversation of greatest high school player ever MUST be in the conversation of greatest college player ever MUST be in the conversation of greatest professional player ever MUST have won titles on all three levels MUST be stellar on both sides of the ball MUST have garnered at least five league MVP awards This equates to only one player…KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR The latest doesn’t make it the greatest.
Kareem rode on the coattails of Magic Johnson, James Worthy, and Michael Cooper and won his MVP awards when most of the best players were in the ABA. Artis Gilmore would have shut him down. Moses Malone doninated him.
@@johnnythekid4601 Kareem could score in his sleep. I'll give him that. But grabbing boards and shutting down the middle on defense are the two things I want my centers to do the most. Which is why I pick Russell and Wilt as the top 2 ever.
I'd take hakeem or shaq over kareem. hakeem is better defensively and he outplayed a hall of fame center TWICE in back to back finals: Ewing and Shaq. plus, hakeem was the most versatile center ever. hakeem could play legendary in any era, which proves his greatness as the best center ever in my opinion.
Kareem dominated the 80s as well, nice try but this is “competition” point is ridiculous. He’s a top 7 player at worst, more than likely top 5. He would’ve won the 1980 FMVP if he didn’t get hurt for G6, he also won the 85 FMVP at 37 years old, he was arguably the best player in the court with guys like McHale, Parish, Bird, Magic and Worthy and he averaged less MPG than all of them so don’t say Milwaukee was the only time he was the best player in a championship team. The 81 series against Houston he got outplayed by one of the greatest centers of all time in Moses Malone, he wasn’t a scrub and Kareem still averaged 27,17 and 4, don’t make it seem like Kareem did nothing. That entire series was very close, no team lost by more than 6 points. Also, the Lakers lost the last game by 3 and Kareem outplayed Malone in that game. The Rockets team also went on to make the Finals and played the Celtics tougher than most people thought and took 2 games from them. You’re stating facts and bring up some good points but they’re incomplete. Kareem is one of the best passing, scoring, rebounding and defensive big men of all time. And please stop with this leading the league in scoring non sense. Shaq led the league in scoring once, Robinson did it once, Hakeem, Ewing, Malone etc. never did. It doesn’t take away from their greatness. Wilt even said Kareem is the best scorer he’s ever seen.
Rasuke11 I never said he was a better scorer than Jordan, I was stating the opinion of an nba legend. That still shows how great Kareem and how much respect players had for him. Learn to comprehend and how to put statements into context before you comment lol
@@lloydkline1518 that logic makes no sense. So because a center needs someone to pass him the ball in the post that makes him less valuable? Kobe isn’t better all time than Kareem.
Weakest era? Huh? In ‘70 Knicks beat Kareem with 4 hall of famers. ‘72 had a Lakers team with 3 hall of famers. ‘74 Celtics had 4 hall of famers. These teams beat the Bucks with Kareem and Old Oscar so yea he’s an underdog in those series. I see you haven’t done enough research as well. Kareem ACTUALLY won the 1980 Finals MVP before the voters were pressured to change their votes. Look it up. Magic, leader of Showtime, huh? How was his defense? 0 ALL DEFENSIVE SELECTIONS in his entire career. He couldn’t even win a measly 2nd team all defense selection. At least Kareem played both ends.
Leflop, kobe, and magic all more overrated than kareem especially leflop and kobe where as magic was kareems equal but anybody saying he most overrated be delusional
Great players Kareem went against at his position. Wilt Chamberlain, Nate Thurmond, Bob Lanier, Bob McAdoo, Bill Walton, Artis Gilmore, Moses Malone, Robert Parish, Walt Bellmany, Elvin Hayes, Dave Cowens. Everyone is a Hall of Famer. Let's look at the 2 guards Jordan faced in the 80s and the watered down worst decade 90s. Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond,, Joe Dumars, it's getting kind of thin. How are you gonna talk around this? LOL at the media helping Kareem. Jordan has been pushed as te greatest by Nike and Jabbar's matches Jordan in everyday better in some ways. This is inconvenient for a Jordan nut hugger.
Kareem was a lower tier all star or role player in 4 of the 5 chips he won in the 80s, he was only elite in 1980. Kareem dominated in the 70s when it was weakest era when the NBA was in tape delay & wasn’t winning anything in the 70s other than that 71. Kareem was saved & carried by Magic. Kareem is extremely overrated & he wasn’t that guy in most of his rings he won in LA & was just an average role player in his last two rings not even close to a lower tier all star
Not overrated at all 6 titles,6 MVPs.....if the 70's was weak how bout 80s a decade in which he won an MVP and 5 titles and at 38 won the finals MVP and would have been finals MVP in 1980 averaging over 30 ppg thru 5 games before spraining his ankle setting the stage for majic Johnson to steal it
Kareem won 4 high school championships, 3 college (freshman couldnt play) and 6 nba championships. Along with 6 mvps. You argument is weak and without merit.
So that means robert horry is the goat ? Your argument is idiot just like you.Kareem is great but not top 5 all time imo he is not better than hakeem and shaq
Kareem was a great high school player & college player. But in the NBA Kareem gets too much credit he doesn’t deserve. In the 70s he dominated in the weakest era & in the 80s wasn’t the leader or main guy in those Finals run, that was all Magic . Kareem gets elevated due to longevity & gets too much credit with the 5 rings he won in the 80s where he wasn’t that guy like I said before
I would say he was hands down the greatest player of the '70s. But for some who think he was still at that level in the '80s, yes I would say if that's what they're thinking, you are overrating him
I always said this yo, them 60-70s player is overrated asf, wilt, bill and Kareem is great for his era, but not if u compare it to Bron, Kobe and mike, like cmon u can’t say the dude who play again 5’5 white dude with one hand dribble better than bron, mike and Kobe, like wtf,
Stop the madness. Wilt, Bill Russell, Walt Bellamy, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Wes Unseld, Kareem. All centers that constantly battled in the 60s & 70s. The greatest level of competition at the center position of any era in fact. None of the guys I named were 5’5 white guys. Stop with the narratives and learn basketball. Mfs be idiots without shame these days and it’s just sad…
I know I know this video was made last year but how can a guy with the most points in nba history most mvps the cap of those great Laker teams a 6 time champion a college champion a flat out WINNER and all around legendary player can be overated thats like saying Michael Jordan is overated Kareem also had more skill then shaq and didn't bully his way to the paint
*Top 5 Lowest Collective Win% of Playoff Opponents* Title Teams who Played 3 Opponents (0.604) - 1966 Celtics (145-95) (0.598) - 1981 Celtics (147-99) (0.588) - 1967 Sixers (143-100) (0.557) - 1976 Celtics (137-109) (0.533) - 1971 Bucks (131-115) *Top 5 Lowest Collective Win% of Playoff Opponents for Title Teams* Disregarding number of opponents played (0.549) - 1955 Nationals (79-65) (0.540) - 1987 Lakers (177-151) (0.533) - 1971 Bucks (131-115) (0.500) - 1956 Warriors (72-72) (0.500) - 1957 Celtics (72-72) The 1971 Bucks have the worst competition of any title team since the 1957 Celtics, and that was the only championship where Kareem was the best player. On top of that, Jerry West and Gus Johnson were injured for the Lakers and Bullets who Kareem faced in the WCF and Finals.
In 1973 yeah clyde lee lock him but he at least didn't get fucking outscored by him compare to Terry it was a black mark I agree Yeah 1974 Finals Game 7 Dave Cowhen outscored Kareem yeah but throughout that series Kareem carry the bucks to seven games when Oscar Robertson was just rusted and nobody on bucks showed up And for that entire series he outplayed Dave Cowhen averaging nearly 33 points like saying Kareem getting outscored by Cowhen hurt his legacy is equivalent of saying Lebron legacy is hurt because he was outscored by Dwight in Game 6 in 2009 ECF Kareem missed playoffs in 1976 because of Playoffs rules Lakers have unironically the 2nd best record in west In 1977 He got swept but it's not his fault lamfao he lost because he have no help whatsoever while Blazzers where miles better team and where considered a potential dynasty if Walton was healthy Again in 1978 and 1979 both Sonics team make finals while Kareem was carrying a team which have no business in being playoffs in 1979 Sonics won championship like the "Hofer" where Jamaal Wilkes who averaged 15 points and Adrian Dantley was coming of from bench and average 12 points they just lose to better team Also yeah magic have great performance in game 6 but best player in Lakers was Kareem he make Lakers to be in position to get 3 win lead against Sixers and was flat out best player in the series 1983 76ers where like one of the all time greatest nba team and Lakers where struggling from injury 1985 he definetly deserve FMVP not only because he was Lakers lead scorer but he scored like 36 points back to back in clinching game and he was the best defender that shut down McHale Bird or Parish whoever he was guarding plus he also outscored prime MVP Bird and magic 1982 he leads Lakers in scoring so no way in hell he was carried So yeah casual do the research before you make shit up
The lack of competition for a certain period of time is true but saying he didn't win without Magic or Oscar is not an argument. Ofc as a big man he needed an all star PG paired with him. Which alltime greats won rings without great teamates?
I believe it is a solid argument. In between Oscar and Magic, there was Gail Goodrich, Jamaal Wilkes, Adrian Dantley, Norm Nixon. Some very good players. He had to have 2 of the 5 top guards to ever set foot on a court to bring home the big prize. Of course it didn't stop him from winning MVPs for getting all NBA selections. And even more so in his era, basketball truly was a big man's game. The MVP nearly every season was the center. So, in that time, centers were expected to dominate. That only changed when Magic and Bird came into the league. Only then the teams with high draft picks, really start to look at picking the best player.
When can we blame Lakers/Bucks lose for Kareem like Sonics ; Celtics and Blazzers where better team flat out only time you could say he underperformed was 73 against Warriors
How the fuck is kareem the most overrated player with that unstoppable skyhook shot, 6 championships, 8 total mvps, 19 all star games and 10 other awards he had an impact outside of basketball as a Muslim and social activist, the most overrated players of all time are 1.LeBron with 6 finals losses 2.bill Russell who played in the weakest era of big men other than wilt 3.magic who could not shot and was lazy on defense 4.larry bird slow footed ass on defense 5.wilt all he could do is finger roll the damn basketball 6. john Stockton 7.steve Nash
Great video, but leave KD out of this. That whole KD isn't a leader narrative needs to stop. Curry gets called a great leader for simply stepping aside for Durant but Durant isn't a leader for sacrificing as well. Especially that first season and his whole time with that maniac. Durant is more vocal than Curry actually and we know he leads by example.
Every superstar faced players that played good defense against them. I seen Jordan struggle to score against Gary Payton game after game. Lebron struggled to score against iggy and Kawhi in the finals. Iggy was coming off of the bench when he checked lebron and won the mvp.
Scored more points than any other player in NBA history One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history Won 6 Most Valuable Player awards 🏆 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 6 nba championships 19 time all star ⭐️ 3x Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA tournament 3x NCAA champion 11x NBA All-Defense 10x First Team all NBA 5x second team All NBA Led the NBA in points in 71 and 72 Led the league in rebounds in 76 3x Ncaa Player of the year 1st round pick by an NBA expansion out of UCLA in 1969 Milwaukee Bucks 1969-1975 Los Angeles Lakers 1975-1989 Basketball 🏀 Hall of Fame College basketball 🏀 hall of fame
7:33 he didn't underperformed per say because he was locked down and his efficiency were low because defensive pressure ...... he wasn't the one guarding clyde lee lool
In my opinion, Magic was the real MVP of that series (just like Curry was MVP in 2015 Finals and not Iguodala) and by far the most important player of the Showtime Lakers. That became clear back in 1980. It's true that every great player needs help to win a title, but Kareem needed so much help that his team is no longer his team.
I agree, Islamic Muslim Jabbar is the most overrated. You know who else is overrated? The inefficient, never shot 50% from the field for not even 1 season; Kobe Snake Boy Bryant. Magic carried Karim, and Shaq carried Kobe. And then Kobe got a front court of Gasol/Bynum/Odom. Those are 3 very tall quality players. Im telling yall, the NBA's darling The Lakers always put together stacked teams to win them championships.
Oh and dont forget Stephanie Curry...Yeah, Muhammed Abdul Jihadist, Kobe Mamba Bryant and Steven Kerry are the 3 most overrated players in NBA history, because they were spoiled and put on luxurious teams that played great together and won championships.
@@veracity5977 He was averaging 24 - 10 Till 85 that's pretty solid number especially when he was 30 plus in age also he won a final mvp in 1985 so ....
@@traguy2625 1) once again his numbers were declining from 76-79 and then they automatically shot back up once Magic Johnson entered the chat. 2) he didn’t even deserve that FMVP, Magic Johnson did.
@@veracity5977 his number were better without Magic his efficiency did increase when Magic join him and you are nobody your opinion doesn't matter who deserves FMVP
@@traguy2625 no, his stats were definitely declining until Magic showed up. And I could care less what dumb NBA fans think. Kareem is overrated and not even the GOAT center let alone a top 3 player of all time.
I am sure any ancient superstar players are overrated. In those eras, basketball techniques and strategies are primitive. But I still think the most overrated ancient player is Bill Russell. Somehow people rank him higher than Chamberlain. He was fking owned by Chamberlain. His defense was also shit. He actually did the extreme of what people criticize Lebron for, taking easy shots. Put him in modern era, he is a just blue collar center.
Now you've gone too far. Kareem is one of the most efficient players of all-time literally (PER). He scored over 38,000 pts without a 3-point line in the paint in an era where they didn't call fouls
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Solid first vid my guy 🔥
Dominated the weakest era in nba history. The best from the 60s were retired or old. Or they best was playing in the ABA. Its like chavez sr. He’s a legend but his career is overrated. Vast majority of his fights were bums
He played in the 70s and 80s🤦♂️
Fellegord Kareem wasn’t that guy in the 80s. Moses Malone, Hakeem, Ralph Sampson and Patrick Ewing were better than Kareem in the 80s
@@anthonycelestin3559 Ok but he didnt play in the 60s
@@NotGord Never said anything about the 60s, I said he wasn’t that guy in the 80s. He dominated the 70s but in a weak era & only has 1 chip & didn’t have much playoff success after & missed the playoffs two consecutive years in his prime in the 70s. In the 80s he can score a little but his last two chips he was a role player not even an all star.
Plus Kareem was a below average rebounder as a C, guys like Bill Lambeir averaged more boards than Kareem in the 80s
Kareem jabber only won nba championship without magic johnson
Great video. There's definitely a lot more that can be said about Kareem's career and his era, but it would make it a 30+ minute video. A decent amount of information was new to me such as Clyde Lee's defense in 1973. It's good that you take the extra effort to research those things.
Around 2008 or 2009 was when I first learned about Kareem missing the playoffs twice, and I was shocked that I had never heard of it brought up before. When I was a kid I just saw 6 rings, 6 MVPs, and #1 in scoring. Without more modern resources to look into those numbers in more detail, it just seemed natural to put Kareem in the top 2 or 3 of all-time. It's good that now some people are starting to actually analyze Kareem's career in more detail, even if it's only on a small level.
Someone sent me a clip where Broussard actually brought up Kareem's shortcomings in missing the 1975 and 1976 Playoffs, which really surprised me because I had never before heard of anyone in sports media criticizing Kareem for any of his shortcomings. This is mostly because his prime was in such a forgettable era that most people don't have the knowledge or desire to actually examine the quality, or lack thereof, of his accomplishments or examine the black marks in his career.
There's a few corrections I'd like to make
5:10 - you meant to say Gus Johnson of the Bullets but mentioned Gus Williams of the Sonics instead
11:55 - Adrian Dantley first joined the Lakers in the 1978 season and Playoffs. He was with Buffalo in 1977.
13:20 - Due to the easier playoff format, top seeds were given a bye to skip the 1st Round and start the Playoffs in the 2nd round / ECSF / WCSF. So although Kareem only won 2 playoff series from 1975 - 1979 (once apiece in 1977 and 1979), he did actually make the 1977 WCF or the 3rd round while only having to win 1 playoff series.
Wasn't Kareem injured in 1975? And then won mvp in 1976 for leading the lakers to a better record?
Kareem is overrated. 6x mvps in the weakest era of the NBA. Magic carried him to his rings. He only has 1 ring as the leader. He had great longevity, but isnt a better scorer than Jordan, Durant, Kobe. To me he isn't a top 3 center. 1) Wilt Chamberlain, 2) Hakeem, 3) Russell, 4) Shaq, 5) Kareem.
Your information on Kareem on your site is wrong and biased. Kareem actually won the 1980 Finals MVP before the voters were pressured to change their votes. Just to name one of the big ones.
Hey NTJ. I read your page on worst NBA Finals performances. I don't know if you're still updating, but I think Karl Malone 1997 should be on that list.
@@redpillfreedom6692 he doesn't post anymore. I read one of his comments saying that he actually retired and started focusing on personal life. Last time I followed him on Twitter but his account is gone
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For people who see things and immediately decide to regurgitate obnoxious and irrelevant information, this video is extremely misleading. So many things are said with absolutely 0 context. One glaring example is how you state how well Dave Cowens played in the 1974 Finals compared to Kareem. You completely leave out that in game 7 of the finals that year Oscar shot 2-13 and scored 6 points. You give Oscar all the credit until he underperforms and then it’s Kareem’s fault. Comical. First round of 1981 playoffs vs Rockets do or die game 3 - Kareem: 32 points, 18 rebounds, 4 assists. Magic: 10 points 2-14 shooting. We all know how Magic underperformed in the 1984 Finals and cost Kareem another Finals MVP. Kareem for the series: 27 / 8 / 4 / 2 / 2 and 29 in game 7. Give me a break on how Magic and Oscar saved his legacy. You nitpick Kareem’s failures and then call him “the most overrated player in NBA history” when you can do that for every single consensus top - 10 career player of all time. You sound like a Jordan-Stan who is insecure of another legend challenging his place in history. Stop reaching so hard and give it a break.
Also, if they kept track of blocks and steals for the first 4 years of Kareem’s career he would be: #1 All-Time in points, #3 All-Time in rebounds, #1 All-Time in blocks, #1 in career assists for a center, and 1,500 steals.
Beautiful. Intellectual dishonesty runs rampant among NBA social media. It’s tragic.
Dk As time goes on oh how quickly they forget
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So you’re argument is based around 2 games? He talked about a ton of things that are just facts of what happened throughout his long career. Also those Lakers teams were some of the most loaded rosters in NBA history so a magic Johnson poor shooting night could be made up by a lot more players than just Kareem
I grew up playing and watching basketball in the 70's (my middle school, high school, and early college years), and Kareem was hands down the most dominant player of the decade, who could have been voted the MVP almost every year during that time. That certain players or teams had occasional success controlling him, and that he did not always have the best players around him did not keep him from having his team in the hunt almost every year that he played. He was drafted by a small market expansion team and turned them into an instant contender. Perhaps the only thing comparable is what Lebron was able to do for the Cavs decades later. Unfortunately, most people are only familiar with Jabbar after Magic Johnson joined him when he was already in his 30's with the Lakers, and was soon willing to pass the baton. Kareem is top 5 all time without a doubt, and there are plenty of arguments that his NBA career was the best of all time.
I don't know about top 5 WITHOUT a Doubt? You have guys like LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, that could be regarded as better because of their all around games and played vs more difficult competition. I get Kareem put up great numbers in points and rebounds, but he didn't have great shake n bake moves, he was all sky hook. He couldn't move like Hakeem and couldn't dribble the ball worth a dang either. He's def a top 15 guy or whatever and can make an argument for even better but I wouldn't say top 5 without a doubt. Def some doubt because of his ERA and the lack of ballers during the 70s. The 80s is when it started to get serious. Before the 80s there were a lot of shit players that would never make the NBA today.
‘77 playoffs against the Blazers, you tell me what more could Kareem have done? 30 PPG, 60% shooting from the field, 16 RPG, 3.8 BPG, he led every player in PPG, RPG, and BPG. Look up the 1988 NBA Finals Game 6, final minute. Kareem is in decline, that is obvious, but guess who they give the ball too when it mattered most? Lakers trusted old man Kareem and even if you think he wasn’t fouled on the play, guess what? He sunk both free throws with his team on the brink of elimination. We all know Shaq or Wilt couldn’t do that, just shows how great Kareem was. Overall man your video glossed over a lot. Yea, Kareem isn’t perfect, no player is, but he is no doubt top 3. He couldn’t decide the era he played in. Also, 4th quarter of Game 5 of the 1980 NBA Finals, Kareem drops 14 on a swelled up ankle and 40 total for the game. Look it up. Put some respect on his name. He wasn’t flashy and he didn’t get along with people but who cares the man played damn good basketball.
I think Kareem was great, but he doesn't compare to Wilt. Nobody does though
Kareem fanboys dont know what to do with themselves lol. Look at all those dislikes. The kid here brought straight facts to the table
They keep bringing up "6 titles", "look at his HS, college and pro careers." When size at the lower level, Really tends to dominate. Kareem was largely looked at like Wilt, dominant, but didn't win enough. Kareem can't thank Magic enough.
Kareem wasn’t even the best player on his own team for half his career. That’s why he only won 2 FMVPs out of 6 rings. And his 2nd FMVP should have been Magic’s with a Finals all time record average 14 APG in 1985
You can’t look at stats and fmvps and say he’s bad. Curry is great in the finals but has never won a fmvp. Mvps and fmvps are a stupid awards
huh? magic even stated that most of those final mvps should have went to kareem
Kareem's "6 titles " don't equal Jordan's. And it has nothing to do with the era they played in, either.
At no time was Jordan not his team's best player. Kareem was in probably 2, possibly 3 of the 6.
How are MVP's and Finals MVP's stupid awards you crack smoking jackass?
1976 was a weird time for the NBA. There were 18 teams in the league and nine per conference, with 2 divisions per conference. 5 teams had to make it from each conference, and this is where division rules come into play. There was a limit on how many teams from each division could make it. Specifically that there had to be at least two teams from each division to make it to the playoffs. This heavily messed up the West playoffs that year because it kicked out the 40-42 Lakers (who would’ve been the four seed if the seedings were done like they are now) and replaced them with two below 40 win teams in the other division. And don’t act like Kareem had super stacked teams in the 70s and was a flat out loser when he had zero all stars in 1976, 1977, 1978, and 1979. Also I think you forgot that Kareem missed 20 games in 78 due to broken hand which 1. caused him to miss the all star game and was likely why Walton was selected over him for the All NBA Team (along with Portland being amazing when he was on the court), and 2. heavily affected their record and playoff results given that they were 37-25 with Kareem on the court in 1978 (translates to a 48 win record vs the 45 they got in 78), which means that they would’ve played the 44 win Brian Winters & Marques Johnson led Bucks in the first round vs the eventual West champs in the Sonics.
If Shaq or Hakeem played with Magic and Oscar their whole careers with their primes in a league that didn't even have all the best players (Dr. J, Barry, Gervin, Gilmore, Cunningham, Thompson, etc) and was full of sub-50 win Finals teams, they'd be challenging Bill Russell's rings record. Kareem wouldn't win any rings as the leader in their shoes when the only time he did win as the leader was with Oscar leading the Playoffs in APG and while playing against the weakest opponents of any title team in 1971.
Jordan Would Win More Rings in LeBron's Shoes
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Read my article on why Kareem is the most overrated center ever.
Hakeems rings don't mean much either. In 94 Jordan didn't play and in 95 he returned late in the season and was really rusty. If MJ didn't retire for baseball, Hakeem would have 0 rings.
Most overrated center ever. He's not a better basketball player than Kevin Durant. Durant better scorer, better shooter, more efficient overall with higher true shooting %, better passer, better handles, more clutch. Kareem is just a better defender.
Ali S good article
Right. I believe that bullets team was barely over 500. They were definitely one of the weakest teams to ever play for a title. And Wes Unseld at 6'7 just wasn't gonna bother young Kareem much.
Kareem may have been carried by Magic, but Magic never won a ring without Kareem.
Magic Made it the Finals w/o Kareem. Kaj never made the finals w/o oscar or magic
@@TheHoopGod_23 The Finals Kareem made without Magic, his team won the title in one and in another lost in 7 games! That's far better than what Magic accomplished only winning only 1 game!
@@heart4yah881 Kareem won with the top five point guard magic made it to the finals without the top 20 center & when Magic got injured KAJ got 🧹 in 89 finals please stop this is getting uglier for KAJ he was a top 5 PG merchant 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheHoopGod_23 Magic was there with Kareem in 83 when they the Lakers got swept by the Sixers! Magic cost KAJ a Finals MVP in 84 against Boston when he shrank under the pressure! So, what's your point? If Kareem was as lackluster as you say, then why did Magic say that their half-court offense ran through Kareem - that he was their #1 option? Why did Worthy, Michael Cooper and Byron Scott say KAJ was the greatest player of all time? Evidently, they knew something that has escaped your mindset!
@@heart4yah881 Magic won the Fmvps w/O KAJ in 1980 magic not one who got Outplayed by Moses Malone in 1983, 👈👈👈 KAJ cost him self in the title in 1984 he got outplayed & out rebounded by Larry Bird who is shorter than him like i said stop while youre behind it’s getting uglier for KAJ he’s a top 5 pg merchant
Kareem is so overrated asf👅
R.I.P Kobe 🥺
This is exactly what I've been saying! Kareem is not held to the same standard as Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, and others. People are so quick to point out the failures and shortcomings of these players; people nitpick and dissect their careers. But people don't dig into Kareem's career. It's just "6 rings, 6 MVPs, all time points leader, and skyhook" with no context. Kareem is certainly a great player (I still have him top 10) but he is overrated.
Please remove Kobe from this, he doesn't belong in the conversation.
Most Overrated? Ignorance is truly bliss!
I mean, yeaAh...It's a tossup between Islamic Abdul Jihadist or Kobe black snake Bryant.
I like Kareem but you brought up some good points
Great video homie follow you on twitter originally and this was dope fr
Most people have him in the top ten where he should be. Why are we nitpicking the accomplishments of a great man from 40 years ago? No matter how good someone does, there is someone to say it's no good. And that someone usually hasn't done shit themselves. Every NBA great has games that make them less than perfect. Just because people dwell on other athletes shortcomings, we have to dredge up Kareem's shortcomings. Who we going after next, George Mikan?
I couldn't agree with you more.
Most have him top 5. Most have Kobe top 10 but Kobe should be higher than Kareem all time cause Kobe contributed more to most of his rings. In Kareem’s last two rings he won in 87 & 88 he wasn’t even an all star level player he was a role player & was really carried on his back by Magic. If Kobe averaged 17 PPG or 14 PPG like Kareeem did in 87 & 88 we wouldn’t hear the end of it & Kobe would be a top 30 or top 40 player if he did that.
Kareem gets elevated for longevity & compiling big #s in the 70s even though he wasn’t winning anything other than that 71 chip. Kareem dominated the 70s which was the weakest era ever with no dominant teams, the 70s was so bad the NBA was on tape delay & a lot of those guys were playing in the game high off cocaine with the disco era during that time. Kareem legacy was saved by Magic & he was carried by Magic in 4 of the 5 rings they won. Kareem is super overrated, it’s so crazy the hype Kareeem gets, people really think Kareem contributed more Lakers rings than Magic. Magic literally created Showtime Lakers & put up prolific assists #s never seen before, only John Stockton has put up similar assists #s but unlike Stockton Magic had the higher rebounding & more points to contribute with the assists
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Proves that anyone can shoot his mouth off on line. Those of us who were around in the 70's and 80's and most individuals who really know bb appreciate the greatness of KAJ. Players in the 70's were: Chamberlain, West, Cowans, Barry, Erving, Gilmore, Walton, Hayes, Unseld, Havilchek, Thurmond, Robertson all HOFs. Except for a fading Oscar (check his stats) none of these players played with Kareem. Why do most experts place KAJ in the top 3 of all time? You claim to know better.
What are your impeccable credentials? Anyone who knows anything about the 80 finals including Magic Johnson knows
full well that Kareem was primarily responsible for leading the Lakers to wins in the first 3 games of the series that paved the way for Magic's heroics in game 6. Also would anyone in his right mind suggest that Kevin M deserved the mvp in the 1985 finals? It has only happened once in NBA history that a player on the losing team received the trophy. Kareem was the unanimous pick for the honour that year. Kareem scored 32 against Parish and Walton in the clinching game of the 87 series at the age of 40. What was Jordan doing at that age: missing the playoffs in consecutive years. You go on and on about how much Kareem needed Magic and Oscar for his success yet you neglect to mention that neither player won a title without Kareem. Oh yes, Trump won the election in 2020.
Man said kobe was the 2nd beat in his era that’s a dislike in my book
Duncan>Kobe
Allen I mean you can think what you want I’m not finna argue about it
What I'm saying kobe been better since like 2003 🤣🤣
Kobe contributed way more in the rings that he won compared to Kareem. If Kobe averaged 17 PPG & 14 PPG like Kareem did in 87 & 88 people wouldn’t hear the end of it, Kobe would be a top 30-40 player if he did that.
People have the nerve to say Kareem was better than Magic in this Finals run. Magic put up prolific assists #s never seen before other than Stockton doing it in the modern era & was a leader & was the guy that created Showtime Lakers in the 80s. Kareem couldn’t do anything without Magic other than that 71 chip. Unlike Kareem, Kobe proved he can win without Shaq winning a chip with Gasol who isn’t close or even half the player Magic was
@@anthonycelestin3559 EXACTLY IF KOBE AVERAGED 17 AND 14 MAN WOULDN'T BE TOP 40
Lebron fans mad 🤣 they overate Karrem sense 2016 to hide Tim Magic Dream Bird Shaq Bill etc
Most ever overrated is Russell Westbrook
Ps..name anyone in the game today who could stop a prime Kareem…or even an older Kareem.
Answer…NOBODY!
Only a youngster would even say something this insane from elementary to Jr high to high school to college to the NBA Kareem dominated at every level he was the all time scoring leader no play in history resume can compare to his Kareem is the goat.
What is wrong about this video. Man said the truth.
Great first video man! Glad to see that some people have the same feelings about Kareem. Still great of course, but not as great as folks make him seem at times. Just subbed lol
I liked the video and the depth put into it but have to disagree on a few points. Kareem absolutely deserved the 85 FMVP. After a terrible game 1, for the next 5 games Kareem averaged 28.4 points, 10.2 rebounds, 6.0 assists on 61% shooting. Magic was piling up assists because of Kareem. Magic also had a drop in his shooting % in this series of 6.7% compared to the regular season. Kareem was without question the leader to this title. Since you seem to favor Magic, I feel it is only fair to discuss Magic's failures while playing with Kareem. The 84 Finals had several key mistakes at crucial times and Magic was the player who made them. If LA had won game 7 in Boston, Kareem would have been the FMVP and not Magic. In game 7 Kareem scored 29 points on 12 of 22 shooting and outplayed Parish throughout the series. And in 1980 Kareem was voted to win the FMVP AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present CBS asked the voters to change their votes so Magic would win the award. This is covered in the book "Kareem" pages 140-141. Kareem is why LA won the other 3 games. And in 1981 playoffs vs Rockets, in the deciding game at the Forum, Magic is why LA lost that game. Magic in 47 minutes scored 10 points on 2 of 14 shooting and was 6 of 11 from the FT line. Magic missed 2 FT late in the game and then on the last possession shot an air ball from 10 feet out. Kareem had outplayed Moses in that game but you are leaving out Magic's bad game. And Magic had come back from his injury in game 65 of the regular season so he had 17 games to get ready for this playoff match. I feel context needs to be applied toward these games and situations. Thanks!
And by the time he had Magic he was the second or third best player of his team.
Also THANK YOU: Kareem is just KD with better defense.
Kareem made a 28 win team become 56 win team on his entry
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Bucks or Lakers?
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Milwaukee Bucks (1970)
They drafted Bob Dandridge the same year. A guy who dominated in college just like Kareem did.
@@x-man9473 Dandridge was hella underrated. Finally made the Hall. Shoulda long time ago.
@@Amick44 Yup. Just like Bob McAdoo just made the top 75 recently. Long overdue.
No, the most overrated player of all time is Kobe Bryant.
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@@rainbowthunderlove8375 The most overrated player in NBA history is indeed Kobe Bryant.
@@ME-kd1ko Kareem is way more deserving of that
@@rainbowthunderlove8375 I don't think you understand how wrong you are. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a genuine candidate for GOAT. Bryant is the definition of an inefficient ball hog.
@@ME-kd1ko the most overrated player is Scottie Pippen.
So Timmy is underrated but Kareem is overrated? Kareem is better and greater than Timmy
4:36 well, in the photo he actually IS head and shoulders above oscar😂😂😂😭😭😭
Criteria for GOAT;
MUST be in the conversation of greatest high school player ever
MUST be in the conversation of greatest college player ever
MUST be in the conversation of greatest professional player ever
MUST have won titles on all three levels
MUST be stellar on both sides of the ball
MUST have garnered at least five league MVP awards
This equates to only one player…KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR
The latest doesn’t make it the greatest.
Kareem rode on the coattails of Magic Johnson, James Worthy, and Michael Cooper and won his MVP awards when most of the best players were in the ABA. Artis Gilmore would have shut him down. Moses Malone doninated him.
It was closer than you think he out rebounded him yes but their points were very well identical
@@johnnythekid4601 Kareem could score in his sleep. I'll give him that.
But grabbing boards and shutting down the middle on defense are the two things I want my centers to do the most.
Which is why I pick Russell and Wilt as the top 2 ever.
Most points in league history
6x NBA world champion
6x NBA MVP
2x Finals MVP
Number one overall pick by Milwaukee
1970 ROTY
That's disrespectful
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Walton was a first round pick by the blazers in 1974 he never played in the ABA
Lebron james hot most nba scoring points in league history
The truth can hurt. Kareem is overrated. He wasn’t better than Moses Malone, just go look at the stats from their matchups.
I'd take hakeem or shaq over kareem. hakeem is better defensively and he outplayed a hall of fame center TWICE in back to back finals: Ewing and Shaq. plus, hakeem was the most versatile center ever. hakeem could play legendary in any era, which proves his greatness as the best center ever in my opinion.
The league was alot less watered down back then.a total of 18 teams,today there are 30.
Half of the best players in the world played in a different league for the bulk of Kareem's prime.
Kobe Bryant is way more overrated than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Kareem dominated the 80s as well, nice try but this is “competition” point is ridiculous. He’s a top 7 player at worst, more than likely top 5. He would’ve won the 1980 FMVP if he didn’t get hurt for G6, he also won the 85 FMVP at 37 years old, he was arguably the best player in the court with guys like McHale, Parish, Bird, Magic and Worthy and he averaged less MPG than all of them so don’t say Milwaukee was the only time he was the best player in a championship team. The 81 series against Houston he got outplayed by one of the greatest centers of all time in Moses Malone, he wasn’t a scrub and Kareem still averaged 27,17 and 4, don’t make it seem like Kareem did nothing. That entire series was very close, no team lost by more than 6 points. Also, the Lakers lost the last game by 3 and Kareem outplayed Malone in that game. The Rockets team also went on to make the Finals and played the Celtics tougher than most people thought and took 2 games from them. You’re stating facts and bring up some good points but they’re incomplete. Kareem is one of the best passing, scoring, rebounding and defensive big men of all time. And please stop with this leading the league in scoring non sense. Shaq led the league in scoring once, Robinson did it once, Hakeem, Ewing, Malone etc. never did. It doesn’t take away from their greatness. Wilt even said Kareem is the best scorer he’s ever seen.
JBrooks this video is stupid. The guy has no idea what he's talking about
Replace dominated with played very well
Rasuke11 I never said he was a better scorer than Jordan, I was stating the opinion of an nba legend. That still shows how great Kareem and how much respect players had for him. Learn to comprehend and how to put statements into context before you comment lol
Someone must give jabber the balll to score; unlike machiel jordan ; kobe bryant; jabber had a very average jump shot
@@lloydkline1518 that logic makes no sense. So because a center needs someone to pass him the ball in the post that makes him less valuable? Kobe isn’t better all time than Kareem.
He’s greater and better than Tim Duncan
most underrated ironically.
Weakest era? Huh? In ‘70 Knicks beat Kareem with 4 hall of famers. ‘72 had a Lakers team with 3 hall of famers. ‘74 Celtics had 4 hall of famers. These teams beat the Bucks with Kareem and Old Oscar so yea he’s an underdog in those series. I see you haven’t done enough research as well. Kareem ACTUALLY won the 1980 Finals MVP before the voters were pressured to change their votes. Look it up. Magic, leader of Showtime, huh? How was his defense? 0 ALL DEFENSIVE SELECTIONS in his entire career. He couldn’t even win a measly 2nd team all defense selection. At least Kareem played both ends.
Half of the best players in the world at that time played in a different league.
Wilt, MJ and Kobe are S tier ... all the rest is inferior.
Kareem didn't make the playoff due to rule of his conference
Leflop, kobe, and magic all more overrated than kareem especially leflop and kobe where as magic was kareems equal but anybody saying he most overrated be delusional
Great players Kareem went against at his position.
Wilt Chamberlain, Nate Thurmond, Bob Lanier, Bob McAdoo, Bill Walton, Artis Gilmore, Moses Malone, Robert Parish, Walt Bellmany, Elvin Hayes, Dave Cowens. Everyone is a Hall of Famer.
Let's look at the 2 guards Jordan faced in the 80s and the watered down worst decade 90s.
Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond,, Joe Dumars, it's getting kind of thin. How are you gonna talk around this?
LOL at the media helping Kareem. Jordan has been pushed as te greatest by Nike and Jabbar's matches Jordan in everyday better in some ways. This is inconvenient for a Jordan nut hugger.
Kareem was a lower tier all star or role player in 4 of the 5 chips he won in the 80s, he was only elite in 1980. Kareem dominated in the 70s when it was weakest era when the NBA was in tape delay & wasn’t winning anything in the 70s other than that 71. Kareem was saved & carried by Magic. Kareem is extremely overrated & he wasn’t that guy in most of his rings he won in LA & was just an average role player in his last two rings not even close to a lower tier all star
Not overrated at all 6 titles,6 MVPs.....if the 70's was weak how bout 80s a decade in which he won an MVP and 5 titles and at 38 won the finals MVP and would have been finals MVP in 1980 averaging over 30 ppg thru 5 games before spraining his ankle setting the stage for majic Johnson to steal it
Kareem won 4 high school championships, 3 college (freshman couldnt play) and 6 nba championships. Along with 6 mvps. You argument is weak and without merit.
So that means robert horry is the goat ? Your argument is idiot just like you.Kareem is great but not top 5 all time imo he is not better than hakeem and shaq
Kareem was a great high school player & college player. But in the NBA Kareem gets too much credit he doesn’t deserve. In the 70s he dominated in the weakest era & in the 80s wasn’t the leader or main guy in those Finals run, that was all Magic . Kareem gets elevated due to longevity & gets too much credit with the 5 rings he won in the 80s where he wasn’t that guy like I said before
I liked the paul george dunk better than the dwade one. It made the intro more lit lol
Most overrated might be hyperbolic. However the point that he played in a weaker league for many years is legit.
❤ 1970s NBA basketball
I would say he was hands down the greatest player of the '70s. But for some who think he was still at that level in the '80s, yes I would say if that's what they're thinking, you are overrating him
I always said this yo, them 60-70s player is overrated asf, wilt, bill and Kareem is great for his era, but not if u compare it to Bron, Kobe and mike, like cmon u can’t say the dude who play again 5’5 white dude with one hand dribble better than bron, mike and Kobe, like wtf,
Fear less jordan got swept by a white Celtics team wtf are u talking about
Stop the madness.
Wilt, Bill Russell, Walt Bellamy, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Wes Unseld, Kareem. All centers that constantly battled in the 60s & 70s. The greatest level of competition at the center position of any era in fact. None of the guys I named were 5’5 white guys. Stop with the narratives and learn basketball. Mfs be idiots without shame these days and it’s just sad…
I know I know this video was made last year but how can a guy with the most points in nba history most mvps the cap of those great Laker teams a 6 time champion a college champion a flat out WINNER and all around legendary player can be overated thats like saying Michael Jordan is overated Kareem also had more skill then shaq and didn't bully his way to the paint
*Top 5 Lowest Collective Win% of Playoff Opponents*
Title Teams who Played 3 Opponents
(0.604) - 1966 Celtics (145-95)
(0.598) - 1981 Celtics (147-99)
(0.588) - 1967 Sixers (143-100)
(0.557) - 1976 Celtics (137-109)
(0.533) - 1971 Bucks (131-115)
*Top 5 Lowest Collective Win% of Playoff Opponents for Title Teams*
Disregarding number of opponents played
(0.549) - 1955 Nationals (79-65)
(0.540) - 1987 Lakers (177-151)
(0.533) - 1971 Bucks (131-115)
(0.500) - 1956 Warriors (72-72)
(0.500) - 1957 Celtics (72-72)
The 1971 Bucks have the worst competition of any title team since the 1957 Celtics, and that was the only championship where Kareem was the best player.
On top of that, Jerry West and Gus Johnson were injured for the Lakers and Bullets who Kareem faced in the WCF and Finals.
In 1973 yeah clyde lee lock him but he at least didn't get fucking outscored by him compare to Terry it was a black mark I agree
Yeah 1974 Finals Game 7 Dave Cowhen outscored Kareem yeah but throughout that series Kareem carry the bucks to seven games when Oscar Robertson was just rusted and nobody on bucks showed up
And for that entire series he outplayed Dave Cowhen averaging nearly 33 points like saying Kareem getting outscored by Cowhen hurt his legacy is equivalent of saying Lebron legacy is hurt because he was outscored by Dwight in Game 6 in 2009 ECF
Kareem missed playoffs in 1976 because of Playoffs rules Lakers have unironically the 2nd best record in west
In 1977 He got swept but it's not his fault lamfao he lost because he have no help whatsoever while Blazzers where miles better team and where considered a potential dynasty if Walton was healthy
Again in 1978 and 1979 both Sonics team make finals while Kareem was carrying a team which have no business in being playoffs in 1979 Sonics won championship like the "Hofer" where Jamaal Wilkes who averaged 15 points and Adrian Dantley was coming of from bench and average 12 points they just lose to better team
Also yeah magic have great performance in game 6 but best player in Lakers was Kareem he make Lakers to be in position to get 3 win lead against Sixers and was flat out best player in the series
1983 76ers where like one of the all time greatest nba team and Lakers where struggling from injury
1985 he definetly deserve FMVP not only because he was Lakers lead scorer but he scored like 36 points back to back in clinching game and he was the best defender that shut down McHale Bird or Parish whoever he was guarding plus he also outscored prime MVP Bird and magic
1982 he leads Lakers in scoring so no way in hell he was carried
So yeah casual do the research before you make shit up
Hakeem will always be the goat center to me
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Hakeen had more just a hook shot ; jabber we are to take away your skyhook.on this play.
Hakeen olajuwon had alot better jump shot!; dribbler ; than jabber
Goat shit Dalton
Kareem led the NBA in scoring twice but the guy said he never led the league in scoring.
Tbh Kareem is still great but I have him around six and call me a casual but I hit magic Kobe Shaq mj and lbj over him
Kobe, Shaq, MJ, and Lbj played in a tougher era to win championships. That doesn't make u a casual.
Shaq and Kobe were not better than Larry. Also, Duncan was better than both
The lack of competition for a certain period of time is true but saying he didn't win without Magic or Oscar is not an argument. Ofc as a big man he needed an all star PG paired with him. Which alltime greats won rings without great teamates?
I believe it is a solid argument. In between Oscar and Magic, there was Gail Goodrich, Jamaal Wilkes, Adrian Dantley, Norm Nixon. Some very good players.
He had to have 2 of the 5 top guards to ever set foot on a court to bring home the big prize.
Of course it didn't stop him from winning MVPs for getting all NBA selections. And even more so in his era, basketball truly was a big man's game. The MVP nearly every season was the center. So, in that time, centers were expected to dominate. That only changed when Magic and Bird came into the league. Only then the teams with high draft picks, really start to look at picking the best player.
I have at least 10 to 15 players over him
The longevity and talent that Kareem possesses as well as his accolades will forever put him in my top 3
Fair enough
Sucked on defense
Lmao babies tryint to call league weak when you cant breath on this generation
Stolen from BSOLZ
Rest In Peace Kobe Bryant.
Bad take. Hard to even listen to. Kareem was a bad dude.
Hot garbage take
Just imagine league without Westbrook and Gobert... AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH LMFAO
Well somebody was quick to dislike it
Dope video bro
When can we blame Lakers/Bucks lose for Kareem like Sonics ; Celtics and Blazzers where better team flat out only time you could say he underperformed was 73 against Warriors
Kobe 2nd best player of his era?? Big L.. Other than that.. Great video bruh
he's third behind duncan and shaq
LeGoat James lmao ofc ur a Lebron fan
He's not lying...
@@marksasunov4057 bru KOBE WAS BETTER SINCE 2003 THEN SHAQ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kobe is the most overrated player ever. For someone considered an all time great.
How the fuck is kareem the most overrated player with that unstoppable skyhook shot, 6 championships, 8 total mvps, 19 all star games and 10 other awards he had an impact outside of basketball as a Muslim and social activist, the most overrated players of all time are 1.LeBron with 6 finals losses 2.bill Russell who played in the weakest era of big men other than wilt 3.magic who could not shot and was lazy on defense 4.larry bird slow footed ass on defense 5.wilt all he could do is finger roll the damn basketball 6. john Stockton 7.steve Nash
Great video, but leave KD out of this. That whole KD isn't a leader narrative needs to stop. Curry gets called a great leader for simply stepping aside for Durant but Durant isn't a leader for sacrificing as well. Especially that first season and his whole time with that maniac. Durant is more vocal than Curry actually and we know he leads by example.
Every superstar faced players that played good defense against them. I seen Jordan struggle to score against Gary Payton game after game. Lebron struggled to score against iggy and Kawhi in the finals. Iggy was coming off of the bench when he checked lebron and won the mvp.
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This is art
Scored more points than any other player in NBA history
One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history
Won 6 Most Valuable Player awards 🏆 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
6 nba championships
19 time all star ⭐️
3x Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA tournament
3x NCAA champion
11x NBA All-Defense
10x First Team all NBA
5x second team All NBA
Led the NBA in points in 71 and 72
Led the league in rebounds in 76
3x Ncaa Player of the year
1st round pick by an NBA expansion out of UCLA in 1969
Milwaukee Bucks
1969-1975
Los Angeles Lakers
1975-1989
Basketball 🏀 Hall of Fame
College basketball 🏀 hall of fame
7:33 he didn't underperformed per say because he was locked down and his efficiency were low because defensive pressure ...... he wasn't the one guarding clyde lee lool
0:18 Dalton you’re not my man. Go Brooklyn Nets I see your hat.
Did you see old man Kareem win finals mvp in the 80's?
In my opinion, Magic was the real MVP of that series (just like Curry was MVP in 2015 Finals and not Iguodala) and by far the most important player of the Showtime Lakers. That became clear back in 1980. It's true that every great player needs help to win a title, but Kareem needed so much help that his team is no longer his team.
*@Baller's Delight* Barry was better than Bird and so was Pete Maravich. WTF you been smokin'?
Kareem!? You ever heard of Kobe Bryant!?
I agree, Islamic Muslim Jabbar is the most overrated. You know who else is overrated? The inefficient, never shot 50% from the field for not even 1 season; Kobe Snake Boy Bryant. Magic carried Karim, and Shaq carried Kobe. And then Kobe got a front court of Gasol/Bynum/Odom. Those are 3 very tall quality players.
Im telling yall, the NBA's darling The Lakers always put together stacked teams to win them championships.
Oh and dont forget Stephanie Curry...Yeah, Muhammed Abdul Jihadist, Kobe Mamba Bryant and Steven Kerry are the 3 most overrated players in NBA history, because they were spoiled and put on luxurious teams that played great together and won championships.
PRIME KRISTAPS MUUHHH FUCCKKINN GOAATTT
Weakest era ever in same era of Dr J ; Bill Walton ; Rick Barry ; Damien Thompson ; Celtics as a alone guy carrying his team
Dr. J and Rick Barry was in the ABA during that time.
❤ dr.j took NBA basketball to another level
@@x-man9473Barry returned to the NBA 72-73. Erving came in 76-77.
15:54 he won half of his mvps after ABA merger in mid 70s and won mvp in 80s too that's pretty strong era my guy
He won TWO after the merger and his stats were literally declining each of those years. Not like he was putting up GOAT numbers.
@@veracity5977 He was averaging 24 - 10 Till 85 that's pretty solid number especially when he was 30 plus in age also he won a final mvp in 1985 so ....
@@traguy2625 1) once again his numbers were declining from 76-79 and then they automatically shot back up once Magic Johnson entered the chat.
2) he didn’t even deserve that FMVP, Magic Johnson did.
@@veracity5977 his number were better without Magic his efficiency did increase when Magic join him and you are nobody your opinion doesn't matter who deserves FMVP
@@traguy2625 no, his stats were definitely declining until Magic showed up. And I could care less what dumb NBA fans think. Kareem is overrated and not even the GOAT center let alone a top 3 player of all time.
Looks like lebron is getting that scoring title before 2024
Nigga you need to know the context behind those loses he was kinda carrying his team
How in the hell is the all time scoring leader overated, and if so what does that make all of those player's behind him in scoring?
Very simple because the bronsexuals will say he scored most of his points against plumbers.. esp the points he scored from 1970-79
I am sure any ancient superstar players are overrated. In those eras, basketball techniques and strategies are primitive. But I still think the most overrated ancient player is Bill Russell. Somehow people rank him higher than Chamberlain. He was fking owned by Chamberlain. His defense was also shit. He actually did the extreme of what people criticize Lebron for, taking easy shots. Put him in modern era, he is a just blue collar center.
11:43 Again look like I am beating the dead horse here Blazers have better team then Lakers
You don't decide that's excusable or not
I mean bron kinda did get clamped by a role player 2015 🤣🤣🤣 39 percent from feild 31 from 3
No
Kareem singlehandedly carry Oscar to finals while others have team with depth and all star
Kareem was nowhere after Oscar before Magic. Magic comes along and they win the title clinching game without Kareem
No the fuck he didn’t
@@blncss right. Oscar was still an All-Star and one of the top guards in the league his first year with Kareem in Milwaukee.
Did you see the Warriors VS Bucks in 1973 it was match up specific case you have good role players locking Kareem and Oscar show his age
2:44 that doesn't represent talents in the team though
bruh please not my favorite player🤣