Secrets of The Motorway - M67
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2023
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The M67 isn't very long at only 5 miles but at one stage it was destined to be one of the most complex motorways on our network. In the 60s they wanted to create a trans-pennine motorway and the M67 was the ideal candidate allowing for a connection between Manchester and Sheffield.
If you're familiar with the M67 motorway, you'd know that they fell short somewhat of achieving this goal. Was that a good thing or not?
What the M67 does offer, is a small tightly packed urban motorway that divides towns down the middle, there's a hint of what "could have been" still lingering but for the most part the M67 goes about it's business with minimal fuss.
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Motorway facts ***AND*** nostalgic 90s TV theme tunes and idents?! I bloody love this channel!!
What we really need is a Jay and John crossover.
@@lickyagyalcuz the motorways song would be far less interesting than the counties one I fear!
@@lickyagyalcuz What we need is a singalong! I'm sure our John would love that ahahaha.
Like a trip down memory lane. I often find myself looking for theme tunes for British tv shows from the 80s and 90s as it bugs me when I can’t exactly place the time.
JAY MY BLOODY KING!!
I like how John just keeps randomly changing location but keeps the flow of his monologue.
It reminds me of "brilliant" from the Fast Show.
Aren't motorways brilliant?.......
Honestly, auto shenanigans is one of the best put together channels on RUclips in my opinion. So simple yet so perfect.
It's one of my favourite formats and if I ever made something that wasn't just a talking head video I would do it as well
He’s a pro!
Script, maybe... why not?
This one is local to me as Mottram Junction roundabout is just up the road. Shame I can no longer drive 😢
Anyone who does the Sheffield to Manchester route regularly knows how needed it is!
but they don't care how much of our time gets wasted ...the sooner they are paying for our time the better...
Oh s#17. I'm doing it tomorrow. Is it really that bad?
@@falkerhard Sheffield > Halifax > Rochdale > Manchester is a nice route...
The main reason why the much needed faster connection between Manchester and Sheffield will never happen... is because it will bring no economic benefit to London.
See also HS2 delays
Nailed it.
Well said.
Nail on head.
Sounds familiar. If its any consolation, various Westminster governments have been not spending the money on dualling the A9 in Scotland since some time prior to 1977. Oh well, perhaps if I get reincarnated a few dozen times, I might see the work completed. I'm not talking bringing this major Scottish trunk road (the longest road in Scotland) up to motorway standard. Not at all, simply making all 268 miles of it in to a humble dual carriageway. Oh well, at least there were approximately ten fewer people killed on it in the last year, than in previous years.
I live in Sheffield and have to commute to Manchester/Liverpool quite often. We need a motorway or at least a bypass because the amount of people that just nonchalantly do 35 when the speed limit is 50/60 is silly. That tailback in Mottram is just wonderful too and i just love sitting in it for a good 30 mins every time.
The M67 is one of the strangest motorways in the country. The way it ends so shortly drives me up the wall, and the traffic through the rest of the Peak District is horrendous as a result! I wished they'd have connected it through to the M1 as they'd originally planned. Your choices to get from S Yorks to Manchester essentially boil down to sitting in gridlock through tiny villages (which I'm sure would prefer not to have that), or a massive detour via Leeds and the M62. Either way takes well over an hour when a motorway would cut that time in half. Ironically, the congestion and extra mileage of the detour via Leeds probably cause more pollution than the M67 would have!
Great video as ever!
Seems to me that the main purpose of the M67 is to make sure there is a continuous supply of vehicles for the permanent queue at Mottram. Keep em' coming Jon!
You were right the first time, it is pronounced God-ley. This was the first bit of road I ever went "about" 70MPH on a couple of hours after passing my test in the early 90s in my Dad's Ford Granada.
"About" 70mph. Definitely not over, right? 😉
@@izzieb Well officer, there's always a bit off error in the speedos of these older cars 😉
Ah yes, it's always good fun to drive at _the speed limit_ after you've passed
So you would have been delighted at the Granada ident at 0:08, hey?
Can confirm, less than 60 minutes after getting the “pink licence in the post” slip from the examiner I was on a local dual carriageway going _about 70mph_
How does you tube know that I would find a video about a short bit of motorway quite interesting? I didn't even know it myself! Subscribed.
Welcome along :D
Thanks John
One consequence of not building the full M67 is the horrendous traffic jams through Mottram beyond the roundabout down the hill to the traffic lights at the Gun Inn where the Woodhead road splits from the A57. You could do a piece on the saga of the Mottram By-Pass over the past 20 years and still awaiting to get spades in the ground.
That would be great, I am in Stalybridge and have to go past the Gun Inn most days.
In laws live in Oldham and this nightmare is why it’s easier to go to dovestones instead
@@markbooth1117 also stalybridge, hi neighbour. I'm a trucker and suffer this route a couple of times a week, I've always hated Woodhead but have come to tolerate it.
Don't even start about traffic getting onto the m67 from the woodhead pass. The queue can be right through Tintwistle. Even impacts into Glossop. Terrible.
Worked in Denton for a few months and did the Woodhead 5 days a week - absolutely soul destroying.
The Mottram bypass or even an M67/M1 link will never happen because, you know, North
Stars in Their Eyes, what a tune to play out on
Thank you for posting that. We were racking our brains! My partner said it sounded like something connected with Matthew Kelly just as I was about to read out your comment!
Thank you... been trying to work out what that music was
This version is by @MatthewAnnissMusic and it's great.
The turntable is looking in better shape these days! My Gran lives just off the abandoned railway line (now part of the trans penines trail?) and we'd often go walking along the line. It's had it's fair share of vandalism, despite the efforts of local volunteers conserving the site, but nice and clear now!
It's something a lot of people miss, because it's a dead end, the nearest place to get onto the trail now is from an access point further down at firethorn drive (I think there used to be some steps next to the bridge?)
I don’t live too far away and have never been for a look. Need to change that.
They really do need to do something up there. Hit the end of the M67 and you're in a traffic jam from the roundabout through to Glossop most of the time. Bring on the Glossop bypass... Please!
Yep so true, after cruising the 67 it’s a long queue then on.
The Mottram by pass has been approved, delayed by a legal challenge
@@simonrobbins9016 Mottram bypass. I knew something felt wrong while typing it. I've been watching it but it was just a tip of my tongue thing.
I'm slightly disappointed the closing shot wasn't shot in reverse, because all the cars doing 40mph backwards would have been the icing on another excellent cake shaped video
Godley is pronounced god-lee. You got it right the first time.
Also, no one in Denton goes to the train station. There's only one train a week, heading north. You can't even get a return ticket.
you could get a return to Stockport and spend 20mins getting a coffee in Edgely ( though the other week the signaller at Stockport forgot the train was due and left another train in the platform that did not have crew to work it), there was about a half hour delay to the incoming service and it must have left immediately after.
I'd like to believe that was different before the motorway though
Its a good place if you’re a steam train enthusiast though, as Denton is the stopping spot for steam specials to take on water.
Pretty sure it's 2 trains a week, one in each direction.
@@disappointingmarbleraces9028 It is now, the service was 1 day a week until about 4 years ago. though the saturday service was cancelled in covid and then , well, because northern, then it is back working. You can use the "return" from Stockport to Staylbridge Via Denton ( cheaper than via Manchester ), to return via Manchester on that day ( a fares oddity), but its not much use for getting back to Denton. The Reddish Station on the Line does get the odd excursion calling , and is walkable from the other Reddish Station.
The M67 really has a feel of being meant for better things. The eastern end has a feel of a long distance motorway and then you see the end of motorway signs. The A57 east is a huge bottleneck and is used by loads of HGVs having to squeeze past on the single carraigeway. It is interesting to think if the Trafford centre would have been built had the M67 been fed through to the M1 at j35. It would have made Meadowhall shopping centre much easier to access from gtr Manchester.
This is just the most...British of shows :D - Love it.
The worst thing about this video is that I now have to wait another week for my Sunday treat! Thank you John for another excellent instalment. 👏👏👍😀
Finally, my local motorway been waiting for this while you've been flying around the North West. Interesting fact, us locals don't have to worry too much about access to the train station as there is only one train a week and it doesn't even come back!
Aw, lovely Granada when they finally decided to have an actual ident and jingle.
I did have a good week, Jon. Thank you for asking.
Here it is: my weekly dose of British humor about British motorways.
Granada. Outstanding!
Well that just started a hunt for the right version of the Stars in your Eyes theme music, Cheers son's crying, nice one.
Having had a friend who lived near Mottram and whom I used to visit once or twice a year, the M67 always looked like it was meant for greater things. Junc 1 roundabout just connected with a couple junctions of M66 south before the M60 which also seemed like a bit of motorway destined for other things - although being part of the M60 wasnt it. Certainly, has been talk of extending it past Mottram for a sort of Motrram by-pass. There are frequently queues of traffic from the end of the M67 ito the traffic lights in the centre of town. I guess that got them thinking about the extension to Sheffield again. Other countries in Europe manage tunnels through mountains all the time but Cost/Benefit being what it is here - probably not going to happen here.
They could speed up / change the traffic light timings or switch them off completely. I bet that would reduce the queues. The UK is the only country where the traffic light sequence is red, red-amber, green. In other countries they instantly change from red straight to green. That reduces wait time by a few seconds.
The queues of traffic from the end of the M67 (and often well before the end of it) to the Mottram traffic lights aren't so much frequent as constant, from morning until night - so once a day, lasting all day, I guess! A fairly short bypass around Mottram has finally been given the go-ahead and was supposed to have started around now, but it's currently subject to a legal challenge.
Yet another great video! As I think I've mentioned before, what is now the M67 was intended part of a transpennine motorway network that linked Immingham/Grimsby docks with Liverpool, converging at or around the Eccles Interchange (M62/M60 J12) It would also serve industrial areas of Leeds, Manchester (Salford/Trafford), Scunthope and Sheffield directly, with easy links to elsewhere via the M1/M6. A truly brilliant road network if it had been achieved!
Aha! Another motorway used regularly by me 13 years ago when contracting to a company HQd in Manchester (I lived in Nottingham). A painful journey across the Pennines that could have been so much quicker on 1/ a motorway in General and 2/ not getting stuck behind lorries up to Tintwistle. The amount of traffic then on the road justified a motorway- can’t begin to imagine what it’s like now!
Still throughly enjoying your series - please never give up!
I live in Hadfield (just off the Woodhead Pass between Tintwistle and Glossop), it's absolutely awful now. It takes on average 28 minutes for me to get from the roundabout at the end of the motorway, to my house in Hadfield after work. A journey of 2.9 miles.
This is the best video I've ever seen about anything
I utterly love your videos. Nothing amusing or constructive to add, just keep doing what you're doing 🥰
I agree, Nothing worse than having to fanny about on a local road.
As someone that uses the M67. I never understood why there was slip roads to the A57 and why the 2 roads wernt allready connected.
Now I know why
5:29 Next on 'Name That Theme Tune' - it's Stars In Their Eyes (with Matthew Kelly) 🌟👀🌟
Nice to see an episode from Granadaland 👌
There was a local engineer who proposed using the Woodhead tunnels as an auto rail service similar to Eurotunnel. Trucks and cars would get on the trains at a terminal in Mottram with another near Rotherham. Problem is national power have put their power cables through the tunnels and they would need making liver to fit big carriages through.
That was a really stupid idea. The hassle, time wasted for loading and unloading, and congestion chaos at either end just for a short journey.
@@billystanier6327 it works for the Eurotunnel, and the idea was that HGV drivers could include the waiting and travel time as their rest time.
The solar farm on the reservoir not just produces electricity but also protects against evaporation.
M60 must be coming up shortly. Looking forward to that on
Master of sarcasm, more please.😂
what's now M1 junction 35A was originally meant to be a service area, hence the ghost sliproads on the north side of the junction
the A616 Stocksbridge bypass is built along the line originally meant for the M67, but it was done on the cheap, so it's a 3-lane single carriageway and when originally opened in 1987, it had an appalling record for head-on collisions due to the overtaking lanes being badly placed
the junction with A629 (Sheffield-Huddersfield-Halifax-Keighley-Skipton, effectively a trans-Yorkshire highway) is something very rare: a grade-separated junction on a single carriageway
A616 used to run through Sheffield, it now disappears at M1 junction 35A and emerges again at junction 30 near Barlborough, making it one of the longest gaps in a major A-road
Denton railway station sees 1 passenger train a week on Fridays , which is the Parliamentary service run to keep the line open.
hehehe, yes I learned of this after filming... oops, I dont check "railway stats" however, the point is still valid :D
I want a job with the cost
analysis team sounds like fun, turn up chat...collect loads of money and
go away.....Brilliant
Fast becoming my favourite YT channel. Now a staple of my Sunday dinner prep. You are now associated in my mind with peeling spuds and cutting parsnips whilst sipping on a good cider!
Good video again. It’s bloody criminal that various governments continue to fail to invest in the north. £12 billion for a tunnel? Imagine if it was in cockneyland? They’d just pour the money in but in the north, oh no.
About 20 years ago I used to live just by that turntable. Incidentally it's also about half way between Myra Hindley's house and Harold Shipman's surgery. The M67 was the main reason we bought a house there as we wanted a cheap new property with easy access to the airport. We always called it Godley (not Goadly) but then hardly talked to the locals so maybe we were wrong too. We visited a couple of weeks ago and it really shows how my interests have changed over the years as back then I never considered exploring the old railway lines and canals of the area.
Also a stone throw from Dale Cregan’s hide out.
Well thanks for that! Always wondered what that weird exit at Tankersley was!.. and the Outro is a quiz show!
It wasn't cost/benefit that sank the M67 through Longdendale and the Don Valley; it was the presence of the Peak District National Park and the massive opposition to building a motorway through it.
There are 2 tunnels at Woodhead. The original from late 1800’s I think and the later one from 1950’s. The original is now structurally unsound and wasn’t wide enough for the Electric trains hence why the second tunnel was built. That is also now unusable for a road as it’s owned by national grid & carries major power cables through it.
3 tunnels as the original was a pair of single track tunnels. The new one is a double track
I like the additional Reservoir info, that interested me by a surprising amount 😊
Thanks!
Thanks a lot mate, that's very kind of you, much appreciated :)
That was magic Johnners. I live in Hyde, where you were in the turntable that's where I walk the dogs every day. If I'd have seen you I'd have invited you for a brew. As always, a great video I never knew any of those secrets (other than the Godley (yes god-ley you were correct) turntable. It's a bit of a kick to actually know where you were on this one. Your video's are my guilty pleasure. Love them.
Was thinking the same when he was up near the reservoir, I walk along them tracks everyday
Love this little motorway, my uncle lives just off here at Hyde 😊
Excellent stuff thanks Jon. Always look forward to the SOTM videos. Also thanks to RUclips for supplying the 0.50x and 0.25x playback speed options so I can actually follow what's going on 😂
I thought I was the only one. 😯
Sticking a solar farm on a reservoir is a great idea :)
The eastern end of M67 holds a very dark story too. It's close to the house the infamous Moors Murderers lived in.
Not that you'd want to include that in your video anyway, but it no longer exists.
After decades of no one wanting to rent it off the council it was finally demolished and 16 Wardle Brook Avenue was wiped off the map forever
Also runs through Hyde where Shipman’s practice was located
Couple of sites you missed.....1- the canal underpass at Hyde for the Peak Forest canal, 2- the house where LS Lowery (him of the matchstick men) lived in Motram......much more interesting than Useless Utilities reservoir
I'm a Yank and have driven the motorways, but I watch this channel because John is such a delight! And he makes sense so that I can relate to the screwups in the US. Keep up the good job John.
Thanks mate. You watch Road Man Rob, he's the "guy" for US road stuff.
I live right next to Godley reservoir, that’s trippy to see it featured in an episode 😂😂
Mmm. I believe Denton station gets one train a week so diffy access is not much of an issue...
Never heard of floating solar arrays before. Always something new. 👍
Great Video but you could have covered the Mottram Bypass, which essentially would continue the M67 past part of Mottram. They keep delaying it but it is needed to ease the massive bottlenecks between the east end of the M67 and the start of the Woodhead pass.
That is a right pain. Mottram Bypass is really needed. Then again, you wouldn't have the entertainment of watching Audis and BMWs trying to push in the Hyde Road roundabout.
They’ve been on about the Mottram bypass for as long as I can remember. Sadly it’s not looking likely it’ll happen anytime soon
I don't think it's planned to be a motorway though, just a dual carriageway.
John will happily comment on stuff that has happened in the past including very silly things, but I don’t think he will want to comment on anything that might be seen as “political” (just saying)…
@@philtucker1224 I guess that rules out any comments about the language used by one of the protagonists in the decade before the "slight disagreement" in Europe
I watch these videos every week just to hear ‘wicked sweet awesome’ :)
Having the M67 go all the way to the M1 at J35a would make my life a hell of a lot easier. So obviously they would never do that.
Used that road a time or three. At one time I just used to look for a sign heading roughly in the direction of home - heading to Nottingham from Manchester, Sheffield is clearly on the way. Imagine my excitement when I stumbled upon the M67. I thought ‘yes, Nottingham (via Sheffield) here we come. Imagine my disappointment 6 minutes later when faced with a bloody roundabout.
I’ve also been through M1 35A countless times (used to go to Stocksbridge quite a lot) and always wondered who it was designed that way. Thanks to Jon I now know 😂
Fun video as always. Happy Sunday
Putting floating solar panels on a reservoir is genius. Not only maximizing use of the area that can't be used for anything else, but they will help prevent evaporation by reducing exposure to the sun.
And since when has sun been a problem in northern England... 😉
@@danlance OOOh, harsh. Funny though
Thank you, Jon. Love the "thought process" behind starting and abandoning projects.
8,010,815 views and 81,000 subs. Can't be long now.
For anyone who hasn't noticed, the gold lettering in *Auto Shenanigans* spells out one of Jon's favourite words.
Another fantastic and informative Video as always mate.
M60 First planned in the late 1940s, Finally finished in 2000.
A lot of houses between Junction 20 & 21 Blackley -Hollinwood were compulsory purchased But after a slight change of route by 100 metres The Former residents were offered the house back at a quater of the price. To be honest the noise & Pollution made a lot of buyers interested not bother in the end . I believe some were demolished eventually.
Cracking episode. All that for 5 miles of Manc motorway!
I’ve been waiting for this one
I remember sitting in Morrisons Café watching the demolition of the print works
It’s amazing how much I did not know about the place I’ve lived for 17yrs 😂😂
Brill stuff as ever great channel ❤
Been waiting for this one for ages this is my motorway!!!
An entertaining video as always Jon, keep them coming!
As a Hyde local, it's a little surreal to see you at the old Railway Turntable that members of my family have spent a lot of time restoring.
There's been talk for over 30 years about extending the M67, or least building a bypass. I've long given up on it happening.
They did a great job!
these episodes always make sunday so great :D
:-) enjoyable, I'm on that road every day, and I didn't know most of that
Great presentation John, and interesting stuff
I thought I'd driven on most if not all UK motorways during my time as a travelling salesman, but I've got to admit I'd never even been aware of the M67, let alone driven it. But thanks to Jon, I see that I haven't missed much.
Perfect timing as I drove the length of the M67 yesterday for the very first time. Thanks John!
My father remembers the m67 city centre route at denton roundabout. I spoke to an old lady who lives on Hyde Road near denton golf course and she told me that the m67 city centre route was planned in 1983
On a Sunday morning catch up session and this was first. Fascinating stuff again. Being an old fart I can remember being taken to Woodhead with my dada to get photos of some of the last freight trains running through the tunnels at Woodhead portals. I must say I never considered the tunnel option likely because as a railway tunnel it wasn’t immediately fit for purpose and would probably be preventatively expensive. Another case of politicians coming up with ‘great’ ideas that have zero place in cold hard scientific and engineering fact (see also Marylebone express coachway idea, etc, etc) 🙄
Funnily enough there is a bit of a similar issue re farting around on small roads with crossing Peterborough (albeit in fairness the station is reasonably easy to reach 😉).
Excellent use of old TV graphics and splendid music as ever. Love the ridiculously quick names list at the end like just about every single US production of the 1970s & 80s. The ones where they flash the names up instead of roll them were insane because you barely had time to recognise the first five letters let alone the name and what they had done! I’m amazed more people didn’t suffer a fit watching the end credits of “Vegas” or “CHiPs” 😅😂🤣
Cheers 🥂🍀👍😎
It’s amazeballs how quickly your shenanigans have eased into my routine……. I am more educated than I was and I’m finding it easier to keep up with your speedy delivery……. jumping about from narrative to……….. narrative, with occasional diversion to irrelevant observation and conjecture.
I hope the rewards match your efforts 🇬🇧🙂
As you were…….
Great to hear, thanks for watching :)
Thanks John. Have a look at j25 -m60 near Bradbury. South of it there is a clearing that goes somewhere. Where ?
Thanks interesting 👍
Have to agree with you regarding the solar array and how lovely to see some railway infrastructure,..... and thank you yes my week has been splendid.
BRILLIANT!
Thank you John, my local Motorway this and it’s great to know things that I didn’t know. You said Godley correctly. A big misconception people think the motorway ends at Glossop when actually it doesn’t go anywhere near Glossop
Wouldnt say its nowhere near its about 10 mins away
Thank you for the special thanks! It’s an honour to be on one of your videos. Cheers!
Thank you John for keeping me sane. You’re videos are superb and I really enjoy watching them. Please keep up the good work buddy.
That'll be wicked sweet awesome 👌
Needs to be on a Tshirt
Nice video jon, service station videos are still my favorite. I do tours of them on my channel
And just like that.. the second motorway that I was really hoping you would do 🙂
Nice! My favourite motorway!
Godley railway turntable - nice.
Thank you far another cheery cheeky episode
Thanks very much mate!
i love the bloopers, best parts
covering water storage in solar doesn’t just generate power-it can also reduce losses due to evaporation, which is huge in drier climates
There's a rather macabre connection the Mottram end of the M67.
Within a very short distance of the terminus (less than a mile) you have:
- The site of the house where Hindley and Brady lived
- The house where Harold Shipman lived
- The site of the Dale Cregan murders.
A bit of a grim quirk of geography.
Didn't LS Lowry live close by?
@@borderlands6606 yes... And there's a statue near the crossroads in Mottram.
I omitted that as he hadn't killed anyone... :)
@@SiPhillipson I added Lowry to counterpoint the grave mischief associated with the vicinity. The Longdendale Valley as a whole has a reputation for high strangeness. With apologies to anyone for whom that area represents hearth and home, it seems a very liminal place in every way, which is probably why Lowry liked it - part barren waste, part Manchester overspill.
John, you need to be on TV doing documentaries chap! Subtle humour, always giving the facts, and your delivery makes what should be a boring topic interesting. Go you, and looking forward to more!
Just waiting on that call from "Yesterday"
I live in Chesterfield - I cannot understand why there isn't another road crossing the Pennines - I normally go via Snake pass which although pretty takes ages and ages. The north of England is underfunded, isn't it?
The Peak District became a national park in 1951, which stymied any development. On balance this is a good thing and Hope Cement Works (1929) gives a taste of what the Peak District would have looked like, otherwise. The mistake was to eliminate most rail transport in the Peak a decade later.
I travel from Leicestershire to near Mottram biweekly, If the M67 was finished all the way to Sheffield, I’d probably use it and the M1 opposed to the A50 and A515. The road from the end of the M67 to Hollingworth gets very congested.