My own interest is in pictures that represent ideas. Look up the Peter-Paul Goblet. Study the Necker Cube for a minute. Imagine a woodworker who got the Impossible Fork as a blueprint he was supposed to reproduce. These can be seen as metaphors for more abstract things.
Thanks you for an excellent channel! What about Gen1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness," I will be interested to hear Mr. Milliner's comment on this...??
I am unsure of these thing, but I make allowances for pictures of Jesus, because He was man as well as God. Jesus as a human is what's being shown in those pictures. So the Sunday school books showed Jesus doing whatever the particular passage was about, and we learned a few things from them, which would have been hard to grasp without those generic pictures. I am in disagreement with Rome about just about everything, but I love Flannery O'Connor's stories. _Parker's Back_ illustrates the fact that we can forget that Jesus was a man: it is very important that He came in the flesh. It also illustrates what we're fleeing from, when we reject harsh, loveless legalism. It's a great story, from one I believe was a sister in Christ.
First thing we should all be asking is why there were 15 or so other characters before Jesus whondome the exact same things as Jesus,(Thulis, Christina etc), and go way back further in time to him.
I study all the texts. I want to give special praise to the India sacred texts, because it doesnt force you to do anything, or to be somebody you're not. It's really about removing your worldly garments, at your pace, so discovering who you really are. Anybody who cleave's to a text, book, title, icon's, are idolatrous. The Divine is not a particular thing. To come to the Divine is to be purified, from the labels, forms, contexts of the world. And, however, the Spiritual journey is not for everybody. It's, i guess, not supposed to be.
You studied all texts out there on Earth and you have chosen to accept Hindus' text because it does not force "anything" therefore it is the "truth" for you?
@micheal74rich I've never said any of what you here assume and presume. You are making known your egoism or mode. Stating that I study all the texts doesn't mean I've completed this arduous task. rather, this implies I'm to a point which is differentiate from that of a neophyte. I too have not said Hindu is the truth, I said I give special praise to some Hindu texts for the reason I made clear. Now, go over there as be seated pls.
Know what's interesting? If i speak about the elements, cosmic psychology, the Sun, stars and moon, nature, relations, rivers, streams, meaning, intent, Spirit, aspiration, enunciation, intonation, philosophy, Truth, music, poety, art, joy, harmony, emenationism....etc. Guess what? The only thing you'll understand from what i convey, is what has been already discovered or known from your own mode, limitations, endeavors, inclinations, thoughts, acknowledgements etc. so acknowledging me and mine; but not even properly acknowledging me, rather your own experience being in similitude to mine or what i convey, can you even begin to see what another is trying to get across. You'll never really know what i mean, or where i am coming from, via my mode, understanding, experiences. Mental similitude's are how we come to terms, Or, unless somebody has an incredible imagination, willpower, and discipline. What too, this means is: w are ignorant, and we argue and fight over ignorance. AUM. OM. Peace. Harmony. Joy. Everything the way it is is balance.
The entity we are referring to as god, the "I am that I am" is the eternally infinite omniverse itself, but infinity can only be eternally approached never reached, so from our point of view is formless in this existence. The limitations of human language, can make it difficult to precisely convey such rarefied conceptualizations.
@@S3RAVA3LM Are you really going to try the high school I can't judge anyone because I don't believe in your favorite fictional character line? Way to prove the point. SMH
Fact: The word Trinity or it's meaning of 3 beings in one isn't found in the King James Bible. Also, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost are never referred to as God in the bible. There is only one God, God the Father who has no other god above Him but His son Jesus has a God, who is God the Father. However, Jesus is also God, even though there is only one God because Jesus shares God's Holy Spirit and that's why he's called the son of man and the son of God.
Matthew Milliner, please tell them. I will be more vile if I was to take that seat and answer Mr Kuhn. Do you think it is a mistake that spirit has two definition:: Alcohol and breath. One can live with breath for a short period. However, if one was to move his limited strength, moving breath will follow to fend for the heart, consciousness, and renewal of strength. Between talking and walking, talking brings death closer and walking brings moving breathing breath or holy spirit that moves deeper and deeper for every step you take. The same principle that i have conveyed here is the same one that newborns follow, plus most electromagnetic induction applications that exist now follow. There is nothing i say that will make you listen except your mother, father, relative or fellow acquaintance come up with the idea. Since I know this is the ways of the ignorant ones, i will conserve my breath, walk my son or endurance to renewal and watch from afar, occasionally getting angry but not letting it ruin my day cause my fellow brothers of grace wont listen to reason. If breath was not patient and kind, gentle to regenerating humans i wont worry myself over it. Without a coil which is like breath, a magnetic which is like endurance will never be meaningful to men of genius who have made several appliances available today.
@Donald Amaele If your Christianity came from the God of Abraham, can you provide me one thing you believe and practice as in Christianity that is valid before the God and it stands before the God, that which could lead you to salvation, just one thing please????? Hint: Five pillars of Islam Muslims that practice day-in and day-out are valid before the God and they stand before the God. Your answer must be valid before the God and it must stand before the God and good luck to you sir.
What does the guest mean at 7:55 by "indirect imagery" when he says he's comfortable with indirect images of God The Father but not direct? Is that like the opposite of a vampire, so you can view God's reflection in a mirror? His only examples were direct images.
@@David.C.Velasquez : Can you provide an example of what an image of an abstraction might look like? Are you thinking about things like a burning bush or a dove of peace or light shining down between clouds, or perhaps a bolt of lightning zapping idolators?
@@brothermine2292 Unfortunately, I'm not much of an artist, so it would be difficult to describe what an actual artist's abstract depiction of an infinite entity may look like, but in context, I don't see why your own examples wouldn't qualify. It is important to note the importance of culture and context, and the influence they would have on the interpretation of these particular examples... you chose them for a reason, and abstraction is minimal.
watch this video if you want to know how "muslim" approach god.."The mathematics behind the relationship between human and god @Jeffrey Lang..peace be upon us all
Oh gee, thank God for Islam, the best concept of God is found in Islam and there are 4200 faiths out there on Earth and all of them got it wrong except Islam. Watch this video posted by Robert Kuhn video title is: "Wondering About God | Episode 503 | Closer To Truth" In this video at 14-42 Billy Grassie narrator says "There is a classic tradition" . "So to call God a father for instance is purely metaphoric speech and God is not literally a father. If God were a father, He wouldn't be God. "
Guys it is incorreted. Religious true are showing though dogman. In not havent ant doubt concern Religious. Guys speculations are rambling gibberich. No sense no serious.
They all are telling you to worship a man. Hinduism is telling humanity to worship men. Buddhism is telling humanity to worship a man. Sikhism is telling humanity to worship a book on which Sikhs gurus are living inside the holy-book GGS. Apart from these three religions there are thousand more "hism" religions on Earth that command humanity to worship a man or command humanity to worship an object created by men. Christianity fits right into this group of religions and holy-books of these religions were authored by men, so is in Christianity NT's authorship goes to men. Human's authored holy books, followers worship men or objects created by men. Every Tom, Jerry and Henry religion's holy book which was authored by men, does not contain God's first person narrative and all of them are telling the followers to worship a man or command followers to worship an object created by men, so it is in Sikhism and Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism and 4200 'hism' religions out there on Earth do the same. Q1) Have you not pondered why all of them are commanding mankind to do the same???????????? If you know the answer to the question at line q1, I know you would be a muslim already, it is a very important question to find an answer. There are two group of people on Earth know the answer to question at line q1, one of them is Jews and other is Muslims. If you know the answer the question above please share it with me.
The entity we are referring to as god, the "I am that I am" is the eternally infinite omniverse itself, but infinity can only be eternally approached never reached, so from our point of view is formless in this existence. The limitations of human language, can make it difficult to precisely convey such rarefied conceptualizations.
@@David.C.Velasquez Q1) Have you not pondered why all of them are commanding mankind to do the same???????????? Your post have got no bearing to the question I posted above. So you read my post again and then read the question at line q1 and try it again.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 No, I understand that all the religions you mention, condition mankind to accept a ruler as having divine authority and power. If you had comprehended the subtext of my post on the true nature of god as an infinite entity, rather than an anthropomorphic being, you would have realized this.
@@David.C.Velasquez _"my post on the true nature of god as an infinite entity, rather than an anthropomorphic being, you would have realized this. "_ The nature of God being an Infinite entity has nothing to do with my post above nor the question I posted above. But rather I want to highlight the fact, there are 4200 man-made tradition or faith want to diviate humanity away from the God of Abraham into worship man or command mankind into worship an object created by men. When one diviate away from worshipping the God of Abraham and worship something else it becomes an unforgivable sin before the God of Abraham, that will default out those soul will NOT enter heaven (in other words there is no salvation for them), in which case the Satan claimed victory over those souls who could not find salvation in the hereafter. So please read the Quran to understand what God of Abraham is expecting from mankind.
@@realitycheck1231 God does not father anyone or anything, if God were a 'father' then HE is not God at all. In the mind of Jews "being son of god" is NOT literal whereas in the mind of Christians "being son of god" is literal as "one being divine in nature" which is considered to be syncretic (i.e. shirk in Arabic and shituf in Hebrew). Jesus said this and Jesus said that come from Tom, Jerry and Henry's books in the NT. Whereas the Quran is literal spoken words of the God of Abraham. I follow the Quran literal words of the God of Abraham.
My own interest is in pictures that represent ideas. Look up the Peter-Paul Goblet. Study the Necker Cube for a minute. Imagine a woodworker who got the Impossible Fork as a blueprint he was supposed to reproduce. These can be seen as metaphors for more abstract things.
Thanks you for an excellent channel!
What about Gen1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness,"
I will be interested to hear Mr. Milliner's comment on this...??
I am unsure of these thing, but I make allowances for pictures of Jesus, because He was man as well as God. Jesus as a human is what's being shown in those pictures. So the Sunday school books showed Jesus doing whatever the particular passage was about, and we learned a few things from them, which would have been hard to grasp without those generic pictures.
I am in disagreement with Rome about just about everything, but I love Flannery O'Connor's stories. _Parker's Back_ illustrates the fact that we can forget that Jesus was a man: it is very important that He came in the flesh. It also illustrates what we're fleeing from, when we reject harsh, loveless legalism. It's a great story, from one I believe was a sister in Christ.
First thing we should all be asking is why there were 15 or so other characters before Jesus whondome the exact same things as Jesus,(Thulis, Christina etc), and go way back further in time to him.
That's old news... literally.
@@David.C.Velasquez Come on Mr, enlighten us with your divine knowledge???? Is this it?? All you got??.. literally..hahahahaha
I study all the texts. I want to give special praise to the India sacred texts, because it doesnt force you to do anything, or to be somebody you're not. It's really about removing your worldly garments, at your pace, so discovering who you really are.
Anybody who cleave's to a text, book, title, icon's, are idolatrous. The Divine is not a particular thing. To come to the Divine is to be purified, from the labels, forms, contexts of the world.
And, however, the Spiritual journey is not for everybody. It's, i guess, not supposed to be.
“YOU create YOUR reality.” Period. peace+&-🌸
You studied all texts out there on Earth and you have chosen to accept Hindus' text because it does not force "anything" therefore it is the "truth" for you?
@@mut8inG You do not create reality. You create your life.
@micheal74rich I've never said any of what you here assume and presume. You are making known your egoism or mode. Stating that I study all the texts doesn't mean I've completed this arduous task. rather, this implies I'm to a point which is differentiate from that of a neophyte. I too have not said Hindu is the truth, I said I give special praise to some Hindu texts for the reason I made clear.
Now, go over there as be seated pls.
@@S3RAVA3LM you have to be admit your a little bit vague to say the least . What does “removing your worldly garments” mean?
Know what's interesting?
If i speak about the elements, cosmic psychology, the Sun, stars and moon, nature, relations, rivers, streams, meaning, intent, Spirit, aspiration, enunciation, intonation, philosophy, Truth, music, poety, art, joy, harmony, emenationism....etc.
Guess what? The only thing you'll understand from what i convey, is what has been already discovered or known from your own mode, limitations, endeavors, inclinations, thoughts, acknowledgements etc. so acknowledging me and mine; but not even properly acknowledging me, rather your own experience being in similitude to mine or what i convey, can you even begin to see what another is trying to get across. You'll never really know what i mean, or where i am coming from, via my mode, understanding, experiences. Mental similitude's are how we come to terms, Or, unless somebody has an incredible imagination, willpower, and discipline.
What too, this means is: w are ignorant, and we argue and fight over ignorance.
AUM. OM. Peace. Harmony. Joy. Everything the way it is is balance.
Another perfect example of you not being a genuine person or an adult.
@tomjackson7755 might I ask, by what means do you judge a man?
The entity we are referring to as god, the "I am that I am" is the eternally infinite omniverse itself, but infinity can only be eternally approached never reached, so from our point of view is formless in this existence. The limitations of human language, can make it difficult to precisely convey such rarefied conceptualizations.
@@S3RAVA3LM Are you really going to try the high school I can't judge anyone because I don't believe in your favorite fictional character line? Way to prove the point. SMH
Fact: The word Trinity or it's meaning of 3 beings in one isn't found in the King James Bible. Also, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost are never referred to as God in the bible.
There is only one God, God the Father who has no other god above Him but His son Jesus has a God, who is God the Father. However, Jesus is also God, even though there is only one God because Jesus shares God's Holy Spirit and that's why he's called the son of man and the son of God.
The more division in religion the better; it plays to reality...
Matthew Milliner, please tell them. I will be more vile if I was to take that seat and answer Mr Kuhn. Do you think it is a mistake that spirit has two definition:: Alcohol and breath. One can live with breath for a short period. However, if one was to move his limited strength, moving breath will follow to fend for the heart, consciousness, and renewal of strength. Between talking and walking, talking brings death closer and walking brings moving breathing breath or holy spirit that moves deeper and deeper for every step you take. The same principle that i have conveyed here is the same one that newborns follow, plus most electromagnetic induction applications that exist now follow.
There is nothing i say that will make you listen except your mother, father, relative or fellow acquaintance come up with the idea. Since I know this is the ways of the ignorant ones, i will conserve my breath, walk my son or endurance to renewal and watch from afar, occasionally getting angry but not letting it ruin my day cause my fellow brothers of grace wont listen to reason. If breath was not patient and kind, gentle to regenerating humans i wont worry myself over it. Without a coil which is like breath, a magnetic which is like endurance will never be meaningful to men of genius who have made several appliances available today.
@Donald Amaele If your Christianity came from the God of Abraham, can you provide me one thing you believe and practice as in Christianity that is valid before the God and it stands before the God, that which could lead you to salvation, just one thing please?????
Hint: Five pillars of Islam Muslims that practice day-in and day-out are valid before the God and they stand before the God.
Your answer must be valid before the God and it must stand before the God and good luck to you sir.
What does the guest mean at 7:55 by "indirect imagery" when he says he's comfortable with indirect images of God The Father but not direct? Is that like the opposite of a vampire, so you can view God's reflection in a mirror? His only examples were direct images.
Can't be certain, but I took it to mean abstract depictions, rather than anthropomorphic icons.
@@David.C.Velasquez : Can you provide an example of what an image of an abstraction might look like? Are you thinking about things like a burning bush or a dove of peace or light shining down between clouds, or perhaps a bolt of lightning zapping idolators?
@@brothermine2292 Unfortunately, I'm not much of an artist, so it would be difficult to describe what an actual artist's abstract depiction of an infinite entity may look like, but in context, I don't see why your own examples wouldn't qualify. It is important to note the importance of culture and context, and the influence they would have on the interpretation of these particular examples... you chose them for a reason, and abstraction is minimal.
Being in the world: a tribute to Hubert Dreyfus. That episode had more to say about this topic than what is not being said in the interview 😑.
watch this video if you want to know how "muslim" approach god.."The mathematics behind the relationship between human and god @Jeffrey Lang..peace be upon us all
Hmmm. K. Interesting but kinda fluffy.
Oh gee, thank God for Islam, the best concept of God is found in Islam and there are 4200 faiths out there on Earth and all of them got it wrong except Islam.
Watch this video posted by Robert Kuhn video title is: "Wondering About God | Episode 503 | Closer To Truth"
In this video at 14-42 Billy Grassie narrator says "There is a classic tradition" . "So to call God a father for instance is purely metaphoric speech and God is not literally a father. If God were a father, He wouldn't be God. "
Religion admitting that their over 30,000 individual interpitations could be wrong ? Not a chance in hell. Protecting their theology is to important.
Guys it is incorreted. Religious true are showing though dogman. In not havent ant doubt concern Religious. Guys speculations are rambling gibberich. No sense no serious.
You seem to know a thing or two about gibberish.
They all are telling you to worship a man.
Hinduism is telling humanity to worship men.
Buddhism is telling humanity to worship a man.
Sikhism is telling humanity to worship a book on which Sikhs gurus are living inside the holy-book GGS.
Apart from these three religions there are thousand more "hism" religions on Earth that command humanity to worship a man or command humanity to worship an object created by men.
Christianity fits right into this group of religions and holy-books of these religions were authored by men, so is in Christianity NT's authorship goes to men.
Human's authored holy books, followers worship men or objects created by men.
Every Tom, Jerry and Henry religion's holy book which was authored by men, does not contain God's first person narrative and all of them are telling the followers to worship a man or command followers to worship an object created by men, so it is in Sikhism and Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism and 4200 'hism' religions out there on Earth do the same.
Q1) Have you not pondered why all of them are commanding mankind to do the same????????????
If you know the answer to the question at line q1, I know you would be a muslim already, it is a very important question to find an answer.
There are two group of people on Earth know the answer to question at line q1, one of them is Jews and other is Muslims.
If you know the answer the question above please share it with me.
The entity we are referring to as god, the "I am that I am" is the eternally infinite omniverse itself, but infinity can only be eternally approached never reached, so from our point of view is formless in this existence. The limitations of human language, can make it difficult to precisely convey such rarefied conceptualizations.
@@David.C.Velasquez Q1) Have you not pondered why all of them are commanding mankind to do the same????????????
Your post have got no bearing to the question I posted above. So you read my post again and then read the question at line q1 and try it again.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 No, I understand that all the religions you mention, condition mankind to accept a ruler as having divine authority and power. If you had comprehended the subtext of my post on the true nature of god as an infinite entity, rather than an anthropomorphic being, you would have realized this.
@@David.C.Velasquez _"my post on the true nature of god as an infinite entity, rather than an anthropomorphic being, you would have realized this. "_
The nature of God being an Infinite entity has nothing to do with my post above nor the question I posted above.
But rather I want to highlight the fact, there are 4200 man-made tradition or faith want to diviate humanity away from the God of Abraham into worship man or command mankind into worship an object created by men.
When one diviate away from worshipping the God of Abraham and worship something else it becomes an unforgivable sin before the God of Abraham, that will default out those soul will NOT enter heaven (in other words there is no salvation for them), in which case the Satan claimed victory over those souls who could not find salvation in the hereafter.
So please read the Quran to understand what God of Abraham is expecting from mankind.
@@realitycheck1231 God does not father anyone or anything, if God were a 'father' then HE is not God at all.
In the mind of Jews "being son of god" is NOT literal whereas in the mind of Christians "being son of god" is literal as "one being divine in nature" which is considered to be syncretic (i.e. shirk in Arabic and shituf in Hebrew).
Jesus said this and Jesus said that come from Tom, Jerry and Henry's books in the NT.
Whereas the Quran is literal spoken words of the God of Abraham.
I follow the Quran literal words of the God of Abraham.