Is a Replica Porsche, STILL a Porsche? - 1957 Porsche 356 Speedster Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Some moments are meant to be captured forever. This car is no different. This week Spencer reviews this Porsche 356 Speedster replica that is modeled after the 1957 original car. If you like old air cooled Porsche's then you'll love this week's episode.
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Same beauty, more fun, and much better price developement. If you bought a replica 10 years ago, it's worth at least 4 times as much today. Prices for really good ones like RCH start at 60k today. So much better ganes than owners of an original one had the same time. There are huge differences in quality, starting with simple ones like Vintage California (with no stability on winding roads at all) to perfect RCHs, which are really sporty to drive. And: If you buy one made more than 30 years ago (like APAL or Intermeccanica)- and not one made today on an old beatle chassis, it's indeed a real vintage car.
Absolutely I would consider one of these and I do own a real Porsche (vintage 911). Some of the these cars are extremely valuable and it limits where you can park or where you leave it. When I take my Porsche to the store I'm careful where I park and then get paranoid a bit and stand at the front window watching for people who may want to harm or take it.
@@3.2Carrera Not to mention the a-holes that park next to you and slam their doors on the side of your car.
Yup :)
I’m yet to see a good replica one, those center tunnels and handbrake are dead giveaways and scores of them on 4 stud wheels, chesil speedster replicas have the head lights higher too,awful
So many replica 356s seem to have the 4 lug 8 slot late beetle rims, which really stand out and ruin the vintage look for me. 5x205 disc brakes and 356-style rims are readily available for VW running gear, so it baffles me that people skimp on this detail that would add very little to the overall cost of a build.
Personally, I'd be happy to drive a 356c coupe replica as a daily driver or a platform for guilt-free modification (Outlaw? Safari? Baja? Pick-up? Go for it!) The vast majority of replicas are Speedsters but the coupe is more appealing to me. A 356c coupe with 5x130 steelies and disc brakes is the one I'd most want to drive in both authentic and replica form.
Definitely!
Absolutely excellent review 👏! I've owned 9 "real" Porsche's through the years, but this "replica" may very well be the next one I purchase. If you buy one of these from a reputable manufacturer (Vintage, Beck, Inter., etc) then you're getting a better driving car than an original which is still almost to spec in every way IMHO. Keep up the great work & I look forward to your future content as a new subscriber 👍
Thank you! We agree. You get the best of both worlds and these manufacturers are doing amazing jobs putting these together. You'd never know it's a replica! Stick around we've got lots of exciting content coming 🙌
The cinematography keeps getting better with each video. Well done boys!
Very much appreciated Jeff, we continue to look for improvement areas in our work and we're glad its starting to show!
When I was growing up, my friends parents had a Porsche speedster C coop with a sun roof. Not sure what year or model it was but it had a solid wood dashboard. They sold it for $5,000 in the early 80's. It was in mint condition with no issues at all. I've never seen another one with a solid wood dashboard since. My friend used to take me out in it all the time. I wanted it but didn't have the money because I was still in junior high and didn't have a job.
Wow, that's amazing. I'm sure you can still remember those drives like it was yesterday, must've left an impression on you because driving/driving in this car is something special. Too bad you couldn't have bought it back then for that money .. crazy!
@@Octane.Vision What years did they make the Porsche speedster C coop with a sun roof and a solid wood dashboard and what would it be worth today?
@@robertlaird6746I doubt it was a Speedster. The Speedster, by definition, was an open-top car. Even the 911 Speedsters Porsche built in 1989, 1994, 2010, and 2019, if they had tops at all, had rudimentary folding tops which came with a warning they were “for emergency use only.” Not all 356s were Speedsters. Your friend probably had a 356 Sunroof Coupe. I haven’t been able to find which years those came with a wooden dash, but I’ve only done a cursory search.
@@williamhirschi3334 It looked like a 356 but had a solid wood dashboard not a laminated or veneer dashboard. I think it was white oak. I think I remember that it was imported from Germany before they had Porsche dealerships in North America. My friends grandmother purchased it new and it was all original. They also had an MG with running boards with a soft top. The running boards were connected to the front fenders and it was all one peace or at least it looked like it from memory. Both of these vehicles were early 1960's or older. Probably as old as 1940's. I've never seen another Porsche like it and I've looked on the internet to see.
@@robertlaird6746 Yeah, I looked online for wood-dashed 356’s after I read your comment, and couldn’t find one either, but I only looked at about five cars, so hardly an exhaustive search. The first model year for the 356 was 1948, but the first 356 in the U.S. was a 1950 model purchased in Germany and brought here by Max Hoffman (no NHTSA or EPA import rules back then!). Hoffman later convinced Ferdinand Porsche that there was a market for his cars in the US, and he (Hoffman) opened the first Porsche dealership in the country. The first 356 sold in the U.S. was a 1952 model (it still exists, still runs, and is in private hands in Oklahoma). So your friend’s car had to be a 1952 or newer model.
Nice video, had an Intermeccanica up until last year, totally relate to your experience driving the car, nothing more fun on back roads.
It is such a great Sunday Driver. Would drive this thing any day, a truly unique driving experience.
I sold my IM last fall, picked up a 2017 Fiat 124 Spider, (Miata in an Armani suite) now my daily driver, loads of fun, let me know if you have a review of a 124. , Cheers
My favorite video you guys have done! so well done. Love the spec on this car!!
Thanks so much, Rob. We are really glad to hear you enjoyed this one. It was a blast to put together. This car is gorgeous!
Chamonix, the Brazilian replica manufacturer, makes the most reliable replicas with many possibilities to custom, colors and also two engines, VW 1.6 or 1.9L air cooled. It's such a nice and durable engine. The 1.9L one has 115hp and provides 0-100 km/h in 8.5s, due to low weight (around 650 kg). It is worth the price and fun.
145hp from dual single barrel carburetors? Maybe…but probably more like 70 - 100
Not with internals if it is a Pat Downs motor.
I wish you showed the front and rear suspension and more details on the engine. 😊
s this a vintage speedster from Hawaiian Gardens? I am interested in 2 questions ... is it easy to turn the steering wheel without a hydraulic booster? And how tall are you? Isn't the cabin cramped?
This one is from Vintage Motorcars in California. I'm 6'3 and found it was actually quite spacious! The foot pedal situation was a little weird but other than that, no issues. Which was quite surprising. The steering wheel was relatively easy to turn, never found it to be over bearing or really difficult to turn. They're not big tires, really. I hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙌
If you go for an exact replica of the original steering wheel (fairly large diameter) steering is even easier as you have more leverage. Also I suggest you install a camber compensator in the back if the car is equipped with a swingaxle transmission.
Look at how small those tires are and you'll realize it's not difficult. I've got a rack and pinion 944 with 225 60s on it and that takes some torque to turn the steering wheel at 2 mph
Need to get one, goes great with my Louis Wuitong handbag
Great video watched it 3 times now, love the car. Did you shoot that in Caledon?
Thanks so much, Nick! Quite the compliment. We're so happy to hear you enjoyed the video and the car. It's gorgeous. Good eye, in and around the area.
Add the mobelwagen interceptor 4x130 at this car it will give it the 5x205 original Porsche look. These current wheels are the best indication that it’s a replica 😬
Wishing I could've heard the engine sound more?
You’re playing a real tool, but it is funny and car is perfect recreation
Totally agreeded about this nice video, but where can find Replica Porsches at 79K CA ?
www.augustmotorcars.com/inventory/used-1956-porsche-356-speedster-replica-coupe-117017700/
Who makes this kit?
… probably even better , the older models compared with todays are literally junk worth , some geniuses just make a big busyness (for themselves) out of it ❤️👀 but no doubt about it the concept (of the car) is still great almost timeless !
Swimming lessons, in an outdoor pool in Toronto? In November? What a hardy lot you Canadians are.
Nothin' like a lil November swimming lesson haha. Summer's are short man!
Would you buy one? I’m asking because I’m considering.
Avocado green may be apt, even the curves are more avocado than pistachio.
Like the VW , don’t call it replica, call it new 359 or 359N
0:05 The unlikely crash at the Pentagon as if it were unguarded... Oh never mind, not that 911
Amazing car
It's awesome!
To be honest I would still buy this replica car just to ev convert it and am currently planning to
You don't see that everyday! Very cool.
You get a 356 Outlaw it's probably better than original.
Very likely! Plus you don't have to worry about the astronomical value when driving it.
Is a Replica Porsche, STILL a Porsche? Uh, no.
One of the most overrated over priced car s out there and i worked with Porsche.. All it is is a VW with a different body. They made over 76,000 of them and people pay more for those than a 997 or newer Porsche.
We can definitely agree that the prices are ridiculous on the real car. I don't think we'd personally pay that insane premium considering what else you could buy and enjoy. But there is something special about the originals, whether or not it is just a rebodied VW. Appreciate you stopping by and watching 🙌
SEVEN GENERATIONS...?
Makes sense to me you drive it faster it feels so much better. Kinda like you drive it faster get a speeding ticket and your wallet is much lighter, I see the logic wallets not as thick, one cheek less stressed Ya it would feel much better.
nice car but the price is...
Not that bad :)
NO
Glorified volkswagen
Garbage ! Sorry just a copy !
I had my replica built with a real late model 911 flat 6. (dont ask me how I found the motor) Now I dont have to worry about the flat 4 VW or the wrecked subaru motors replicas are slapping into their kit cars.
I'd prefer to drive a replica that I can really push to the limit instead of a mid six figure literal investment vehicle that I would be hyper paranoid about getting into any kind of trouble with, whether caused by me or the myriad of distracted drivers texting while driving. It breaks my heart to see cars designed to driven relegated to museum pieces.
We couldn't agree more. In this instance, a replica like this makes a lot of sense. It is always sad to see cars that are meant to be driven, tucked away in a garage, never getting used for their purpose. Thank you for watching! 🙌
You do great content, brother. Continued success my friend.
Thank you so much for the kind words! We really appreciate that. We are only getting started 🙌
Real vintage Porsche owners really drive their cars - a lot! And they drive long distance and pretty fast, even with drum breaks! I know. I own a 1960 Roadster and do this all the time. We look down,sort of, on owner that do not drive their cars. They are meant to be driven. Unlike other classic cars, the parts a widely available and maintenance is surprisingly easy.
only thing I would add is some air bags and head rests. safety stuff.
My first replica in 1998 was a Mexican VW pan and I hated it. Then a Beck Chamonix with a tubular frame and amazing quality that I loved and had for 10 years. Then a '68 912, an '04 C4S cab and the once in a lifetime barnfind '51 Pre-A. My opinion is that life is short and that if a replica is what you can afford... go for it. If you get a "real" one later... great. Don't give a shit about what others think... have fun, make memories and enjoy what you can afford. Cool video!
What a cool line of cars over the years! We completely agree... if it makes you happy, who cares what other people think. Thanks for watching!
Today I went to chamonix factory, really an awesome, they make speedster, roadster and cupe
My very first car, that I taught myself how to drive in was a 1972 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia. They are exactly like this car, light weight with the 60hp engine in the rear. Four speed manual with no power steering. No power anything!!! 0-60 in 15 seconds. That is really slow but back in the late 80's early 90's, it didn't seem like it was any slower than anything else on the road. That is not what this kind of car is built for. The magic was in the corners. It only took about fifteen minutes from my home to find endless winding, hilly country roads and there is nothing like throwing a lightweight manual trans European car with no power steering right at the limit of grip around country corners ignoring posted speed limits. Pure magic!
Doubt that engine has 145hp. The carburetors appear too small to produce that much hp.
Maybe 120 hp at the most.
The reality is they’re a vw pan based (shortened) generally, but I always thought you could get it close to the Porsche ethos of simplicity and purposeful with a great power to weight ratio, the original which I’ve also driven a lot is vastly different. For what they are, a replica is a good product for those which just really admire the look of a speedster. However, for the money they are asking now, my advice would be, save some money, go buy a 6 cylinder boxster which I believe is a modern version of the speedster idea. And of course it actually is a Porsche. Still the 356 will always be my most favourite object ever, a piece of art
It'd be really interesting to drive a real 356 to get a feel for the differences. I think you're right given the price premium on these to go with something modern like a Boxster. The only "downside" is it doesn't have the same curb appeal, which for some people, is important whether it's real or not. Thank you for stopping by and dropping a comment!
@@Octane.Vision agreed, the curb appeal is much stronger. Replica’s if done well, drive better than the original, I spent a lot of time driving an original 58 speedster (Owned by a friend he purchased it but disappointed in the experience) a car that old only had about 50hp and very basic steering (non centre returning) however the shift and build precision was great, you can tell it’s a Porsche... if it was me it’s actually cheaper to build your own, I’d spend up on decent suspension disc brakes and maybe a Subaru engine over a vw powerplant.
I've seen videos of those Subaru powered 356's... They look awesome! Would love to give those a whirl. I bet they're amazing.
The VW Beetle pan based replicas have the same DNA as the originals; in fact many parts were interchangeable between both brands. Porsches had better transaxles, brakes and were an improved version of the VW Beetle. They sound and smell the same; driving experience is almost identical for a fraction of the cost.
@@vayabroder729 after having an original I think they are quite away apart, perhaps I just drove a bad example of a replica, maybe if you had a well sorted one with a kombi gearbox and a short shift kit, also with a type 4 engine you might be a bit closer. Early on I do recall some guys putting 912 engines in them.
Where can I buy one of those cars and how much do they cost ? 😊
145 out of a Kadron motor? Your propensity to mislead on such rudimentary, emprical data renders everything else moot. You can do better and will have to if targeting those interested in something like this.
You seem like a REALLY fun person 😝. Thanks for stopping by!! ❤️
@@Octane.Vision and I digress.
That's a gorgeous rep. And I'd be proud to own it. I have a 987 Cayman S and I've been heavily considering selling and starting a 356 rep with. Everytime I see these videos I want one more!
It really is a beautiful rep. If you're in the market for a driving experience that is bare bones and raw, this is definitely not a bad option. It would be one hell of a Sunday or weekend driver. Thanks for watching!
Keep the 987 S, it's almost a classic at this point.
Is a replica AC Cobra a real Cobra ? No of course its not.
Its the same for a Porsche Speedster, unless it was manufactured and assembled by Porsche back in the late 1950s, then its not the real deal,
Replicas are for the 99% that will never be able to afford it. Aslong youre honnest its a replica its worth getting one. Unless its one of those goofy clown cars 😂
😂 we couldn't agree more!
Okay , I’m brave enough to ask … what’s the price ??? … hope it has a Subaru WRX engine !!! … otherwise , it’s all show and no go !!!
You can pick one of these up for about $75-80k Canadian ($60k USD). This one was outfitted with the VW Beetle crate engine but we've seen the ones with a Subaru engine... quite cool!
For 60 grand I would hope it could start
145HP out of a VW engine? Not without extensive work. That sounds like 65HP to me.
If I recall correctly. Pat Downs (formerly, and possibly still with C.B. performance) was tossing together 2332's. I knew Pat and Gene Berg and his boys as well as Tom Lieb, Darrel Vitone. (Yeah, I'm a 73 year old hippie) On a good day and dialed in... mid 120/30's - cam dependent. Compression is a killer on, not only types 1 and 4's but also the porsche 6's. A dual port couterweighted 1776 Solex/Kadron properly jetted with minimal head work and built for todays fuel with 7.5 CR would net you 75-85 or so. Fun enough and one could foot-to-the-floor it all day long up hills and flat out - as long as it's wrapped in a real VW doghouse shroud. Good call, Mike and Randy.
It's a 2180 stroker. Depending on how it's equipped, it will put out anywhere from 120-160hp. Look it up. Air cooled performance has come a long way.
A folex will never be a rolex.
Wise words!
This a Porsche if an AC cobra kit car is a real cobra. Even when it is done well IT AIN'T NO PORSCHE!!!!! it's BullShit!!!
Come on.... no one's pretending... lovely replica
seems odd that the wipers are black, no?
Hello, Spencer. Great video! Hey, what company manufactured this replica? Thanks, and keep the videos coming!
Hey Gregory, we're glad you enjoyed the video! The car was made by Vintage Motorcars of California. New video dropping this month! 👍
"doesnt have that 50s power train, its been re done, with a new power train, from a volkswagen beetle"........from the 50s...............
Yes, the design of the Type 1 VW engine was originally created many years ago but this is a newly produced engine. Production of these engines ceased in 2006. We were making the point that this isn't an original powertrain that is 70+ years old. Thanks for stopping by :)
@@Octane.Vision well yes, because it is a replica car that also isnt 70+ years old.
Could build an engine out of completely brand new parts (blocks, heads, cranks etc are all reproduced by many companies) but its still an old push rod engine
May I ask who was the manufacturer of this 356 Speedster replica?
For sure! This one was manufactured by Vintage Motorcars of California
Ok. Thank you!
How much $$$$$$$
I know your podcast is "Octane Version", however, I would love to have this auto replica in an electric version. Also, I wonder if anyone is making replicas of the MG-MIDGET & the MGB's? Since I owned brand new MG-MIDGETs and a Triumph Spitfire more than 50 years ago, l think I would love to purchase a reproduction and have the enjoyment all over again.
It's not a Porsche, it's a replica. Period. It can be interesting, but it's a replica. You can buy fake BMWs or Mercedes - new, from Chinese factories - for a small portion of the price, but they're NOT Bmw or Mercedes.
What year and type VW is the pan and running gear from? That defines the ride and handling.
I had a 67 Squareback and loved the ride and handling! Mechanically it was worn out when I got it and, consequently, always needed repair(s): engine overhaul, 2 transaxles, one front end, body work . . . But fun to drive? Yes!!
Such a beautiful looking car. I would love to have a replica when I retire.
It's an older vintage speedster 356.... I have the same in ivory. I will take of the whitewalls off mine... less is better
short answer is no. But it is a great vehicle. The Porsche engine is engineered differently, it's the heads. The car looks like Stone Grey in color.
Good looking car but i d rather drive something original like a nice convertible beetle or karman ghia . It 's just like a fake rolex to me.
It sucks don't try to act rich when you're not
That's fair, but some people are just purely enthusiasts and want to experience what it's like to own something very similar to the original but will never be able to afford the real deal in their lifetime. But I know what you mean 👍
I' D RATHER OWN A GOOD REPLICA FOR EVERY DAY DRIVING . BUT IT IS NOT A PORCHE , ANYMORE THAN A PERFECT REPLICA OF THE MONA LISA IS A DA VINCI PAINTING .
all the safety of a motorcycle with none of the performance. why would anyone drive one of these death traps?
Your opening review is exactly why i once drove Alfa Romeo's and raced them in SCOA.
I think everybody should know how to swim before they buy a Porsche not after
Is it a Chamonix(Athos Cars)?
This one is a vintage motorcars of California speedster 👍
I live in an area where people actually drive their real 356s around on the weekends
Your a lucky guy.
Incredibly fortunate. If you ever get the opportunity to drive a 356, take it!
You didn't mention the defroster or heat does it have it.
The windshield wipers truly need backdating.
a replica will never be as close as an original; never
Where do you recommend getting a replica?
Who built the replica? Which company?
That car with a Subaru brz engine
You mentioned a top speed of 135km/h. Was that for the original engine or the reproduction.
The original car!
Very nice review of one of my favourite cars. Maybe you’re 7 feet fall, or it’s really small.
haha thank you! A mixture of both, honestly. Spence is 6'3 and the car is actually very small too. It's a great dream car. Thanks for watching!
Who made this replica?
You didn’t say if it was an Intermeccanica or Vintage Motorcars build?
Vintage motorcars 🙌
What the heck is "bump start?" It was cranking... Why "push start" it?
Hey Mike, the battery had died previously from unsuccessfully turning over. We got it to start through a bump start but as you see here, it was dying again when we tried to turn it over.
Cheers!
Sorry your hair was getting messed up in the Speedster, ball cap maybe?
Hat fell off :(
My girl says thanks for answering her question about the price
No problem Dustin, glad you guys are watching and enjoying our videos together!
Amazing car, can you suggest any web or dealer to buy this car. 🙏
Vintage Motorcars of California or there was a few for sale at August Motorcars a few months ago. I'm sure they're not too hard to find!
Thanx 👍🏻🙏
Who make this replicas?
This is a California vintage motorcars build!
so was it a dead battery ?
Yeah 😂 totally unplanned
Is this a Beck?
This Speedster was made by Vintage Motorcars of California! Thanks for watching 👍
Just a commercial from an ex-frat boy salesman. You, your opinion and how you feel don’t sell. More of the car, please.
Circle lights? WTF? DO you drive a moped to work? They're called beehive lights, 1940's style art deco.
PS- Great review BTW and love your Wang Chung haircut!
Never seen someone get so triggered over the naming of some lights 😂. Sorry there Borris, next time we'll be sure to consult your excellency before we post something 🫡