Thank you for the good guide. I actually have this warping (two projectors, 180 degrees) coming along this weekend. I'm definately going to link back here once I have the build video done since I'm not goint into details there.
Hi there, Thanks a lot for your videos, great job! Just a quick question, you mention you have a grid of UV-inked points, but only seem to use the ones on the edges? Would you recommend mapping the whole screen anyway with said points? Thanks !
Actually, I do use all the points, it just might not look like I do :-) It’s a great system, but you need to be sure that the marks will not show up under normal light. I just assumed that that would be the case, but once I started marking my screen I noticed that the points were visible as dark sports. I guess they must have reacted with the paint on my screen. In every day use I don’t notice them, but if you’re looking for them they are fairly prominent. So I would test it on the sample of the same material as your screen first. Since the alternative is to put physical markers on the screen each time you want to calibrate it, the UV method saves a lot of time.
@@FlyerOneZero Awesome, I will use a more temporary means than yours just in case. Just wanted to know if I could use fewer marks than you actually did, but will stick to their 20*6 recommendation for a wall like mine then. Thanks again!
@@christopherreville3131 Marking just the edges and then using a laser level to create straight lines across and up the screen is a viable alternative. And in fact using a laser level is definitely advisable to get the straightest possible lines. I am overdue to re-calibrate my screen that way.
Hello - love your stuff. Have watched several times and it has been very helpful for setting up my projector screen. Do you have a suggestion for what type of laser level to purchase as I'm thinking I should go that route next. Thanks. Chuck Steinmetz Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hi Chuck. I bought one of the cheap cubes that can be mounted on top of a lighting tripod (which you will need, hand holding will not work). You can get some very sophisticated laser levelling kit, but I don’t think you need it, all you need is a cross level laser, that is, one that projects a line both horizontally and vertically to give you a cross point.
You can adjust it so that you don’t see it against a bright background, but there will always be extra brightness against a dark background where the two images overlap. That’s because black in a projected image is actually dark grey. But there are some ways to deal with that, I have a video on that very subject: ruclips.net/video/pAo-t0W5J5M/видео.htmlsi=7Xs7gixZNznTn4JR.
Hello Captain, awesome video here! I want to ask , my projectors are almost 2 columns overlap left and right from the screen. Should I choose start from column 3 on View1 let’s say or I choose from column 1 and I adjust it ? Cause yours on the sides are almost at the edge. I tried today from column 3 but someone told me it’s not correct. Thank you in advance!
Interesting question. So, the columns and rows that you define must fit on the physical screen. The screen measurements must be accurate, this is what gets the correct geometric projection. When you start to map it, because your projection area extends beyond the ends of your screen, you will need to move the points at the far edges of each side of the screen so that they line up with the edges of the screen. This means that the view area for your left projector should start at column one. Those points will initially be invisible because they will be drawn off the screen, but you can use the cursor keys to move them back on the physical screen, and continue mapping from there.
Hello this is a great video! I am just starting to grasp how to use this software for a 3 projector setup using X-Plane 11. From what I can gather you dont need to use Nvidia surround? Just 3 independent views from 1 pc?
Hi Danny. Yes, that’s right. You need to have them as separate displays in Windows. I’m not particularly familiar with how X Plane does multiple views, but the calibration software will generate whatever file is needed to configure the simulator.
Hello! Thanks for the video. A need an advice. We have the same screen for flight sim in Moscow. Display and window warping are on but every time i need to press PgDn key to warp the screen (desktop or Xplane). Is there an option to set it automatically?
Hi Andro. I don't do Xplane so I'm not sure if there's anything different, but I only use window warping, I don't use desktop warping. It's on by default. So my desktop image is unwarped, but once I start Prepar3d (the sim I use) the windows are correctly warped. There's definitely a setting to say start warping when the software starts. I'll see if I can find it for you and add another comment.
Really cool! I am thinking about the different licensing options for Immersive display pro. I plan to use it with x-plane. Do I need to get the most expensive version to get exports for x-plane cameras or would it work without the exported settings? I could not figure this out.
Immersive Calibration Pro only works with Immersive Display Pro Ultimate Edition, which is the most expensive. If you do buy I would strongly advise that you get the dongle version which is slightly more expensive again, because with the PC locked license, if you change your hardware at all, the hardware ID changes and the license becomes invalid, and Fly Elise will only reset the license once.
@@thehighwayman78 There is a trial period, which would give you enough time to get it set up initially and make sure it works for you. You just have to suffer a watermark on the screen.
Hello Again! When you change the Gain and Gamma settings, and then you export, do you expect to see changes on the projector settings (offset, FOV etc) ?
Do you mean that your view windows have title bars? You just need to have the sim in full-screen mode. For P3D (and MSFS for that matter) that's ALT+ENTER and it will remember your setting.
Hi, I am looking to do a similar setup but for sim racing, and stumbled across this video whilst doing research. What is the input lag like, do you have any hard figures? Thanks
No, but there’s no perceptible lag. That said, reaction times are much slower in my use case. I know for a fact that many people use this solution for racing games.
Hi. If you watch my previous video on ICP here: ruclips.net/video/Ktv70mdizpw/видео.html, I go through the whole process of setting up a warp and blend into ICP with cameras, map the 180-degree views for my projectors, and export to .procalib files for Immersive Display Pro and a viewgroup file for Prepar3d. All you need to do is export for X-Plane instead. I don't know exactly what those files contain or how they are imported into X-Plane, as I don't use it, but that's the only difference.
hi, i have an optoma uhd51 projector I was wondering but is it possible to see the curved screen with mine too? Does the curvature have to be managed by the pc or by the projector? i have a dof h3 and i play at 120 inches but it is flat. ps: What I need.
Hi Alessandro. I missed your comment, apologies for the late reply. Creating a curved image on a curved screen requires extra software on the PC. I use something called Immersive Display Pro from Fly-Elise NG. There *are* commercial-grade projectors available which can do this directly, but they are *very* expensive. Any projector you could really afford to buy for a hobby project will only project a flat image. The screen, being curved, makes that image distorted; the software then un-does the distortion to make it look like it fits on the curve. You could cover maybe 90 degrees of angle with a single projector, so if you wanted to create a 180-degree curved screen like mine, you would need two projectors as a minimum, and depending on how large it is, you might need three.
I don’t think I’m really qualified to recommend specific projectors as I have only ever used one brand. You need good contrast, high lumens (which generally rules out LED projectors), and most critically, short throw. The BenQ W1210ST units I have in the sim currently do a great job, but have been discontinued. The nearest equivalent current product appears to be the TH671ST. But other manufacturers are available, which may be just as good. I simply don’t have the experience. At all costs, don’t be tempted by the cheap no-brand projectors you will find on Amazon. These are the ones that say they are Full HD ‘compatible’ and then turn out to have a native resolution of 480p. Obviously anything less than 1080p will not do the job. Stick with the big-name manufacturers only. Honestly, though, this is a big investment and I would strongly advise you to do your own research and understand what the choices are in this space before you consider buying. That said, I think you will struggle if your budget is USD1500 for both units. If this is a per unit budget, then it’s more than enough. My strong recommendation is not to compromise on spec in order to bring the price down, you will have to sacrifice something that you need.
@@FlyerOneZero Thank you very much for your opinion and expertise on the matter, seriously, very much appreciated! It’s very helpful to know this about the cheaper projectors on Amazon, importance of good contrast & high lumens and LED not being ideal. It’s great to read from your experiences!!!
@@FlyerOneZero BTW the TH671ST projectors are $749 a piece… so that’s actually exactly my mark! Excluding the other stuff needed. Your suggestion was ‘right on the money’
Well, I don't have an exhaustive list, but Prepar3d, X-Plane, FSX (not the new MSFS), DCS, and some racing games, I believe iRacing and possibly Assetta Corso and probably some others. Basically, they need to a) support multiple views, b) have some way of defining a persistent camera view, and c) be supported by Immersive Calibration Pro. In terms of just running a game on the big screen in ultra-widescreen (but without the perspective correction, so with stretched edges) then using the Desktop warp and blend mode in Immersive Display Pro instead of Window mode, you can run pretty much any game that will handle the resolution and aspect ratio.
Greetings. Are you personally available to answer questions via Phone, Email or Skype? Once Calibration file is exported, and Pro Display is on, P3D is not blending or reading the file. Support at Fly-Elise has not been helpful. Thanks.
Hi Larry. If you email info at backbedroompilot.com it'll reach me. I don't have much time free during the week, though, so give me a couple of days to reply. I'll do what I can but my knowledge is limited to the stuff I've had to learn for my own setup, so no guarantees :-)
Hmm. Well it seems my email forwarding is not working properly. So email me at neil.hewitt+bbp at gmail dot com (I'm obfuscating the 'at' part of the address in a vain attempt to defeat spam crawlers!)
There's a checkbox on the Settings page to start Immersive Display Pro at startup. Once you have connected a projector to a .procalib file, the software will remember that until or unless you change it.
@@FlyerOneZerohello again sir. I can't remove traces at intersections of projectors. how can i do i can't do my perspective when i say "find frustums" i see it covers most of the curtain
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here. Are there other apps to do warping and blending? Yes. Warpalizer, SimVisuals to name two. There are more. Are they as good / better? Difficult to say, they aim at different markets. Warpalizer does sell to consumers and is probably the most directly similar to Immersive Display Pro. SimVisuals is a professional-level package. Neither publishes their pricing, which means you have to contact their sales teams to even know how much it might cost or get a trial. Fly Elise lets anyone download a trial version and publish their pricing, which is pretty reasonable compared to the competition. If you're asking, is there another app that does what IDP does that is free? No. No there isn't. This kind of software requires a lot of development time so you're never going to see a free or open-source app in this space. Hope that answers your question, whatever it actually was...
@@FlyerOneZero thank you friend if that was my question, only that I am from Mexico and my English is not that good so I used the google translator and thank you very much for taking the time to answer me friend I wait for this message if it is understood
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Thank you for the good guide. I actually have this warping (two projectors, 180 degrees) coming along this weekend. I'm definately going to link back here once I have the build video done since I'm not goint into details there.
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Great content!
Perfect!
Hi there, Thanks a lot for your videos, great job! Just a quick question, you mention you have a grid of UV-inked points, but only seem to use the ones on the edges? Would you recommend mapping the whole screen anyway with said points? Thanks !
Actually, I do use all the points, it just might not look like I do :-) It’s a great system, but you need to be sure that the marks will not show up under normal light. I just assumed that that would be the case, but once I started marking my screen I noticed that the points were visible as dark sports. I guess they must have reacted with the paint on my screen. In every day use I don’t notice them, but if you’re looking for them they are fairly prominent. So I would test it on the sample of the same material as your screen first. Since the alternative is to put physical markers on the screen each time you want to calibrate it, the UV method saves a lot of time.
@@FlyerOneZero Awesome, I will use a more temporary means than yours just in case. Just wanted to know if I could use fewer marks than you actually did, but will stick to their 20*6 recommendation for a wall like mine then. Thanks again!
@@christopherreville3131 Marking just the edges and then using a laser level to create straight lines across and up the screen is a viable alternative. And in fact using a laser level is definitely advisable to get the straightest possible lines. I am overdue to re-calibrate my screen that way.
Hello - love your stuff. Have watched several times and it has been very helpful for setting up my projector screen. Do you have a suggestion for what type of laser level to purchase as I'm thinking I should go that route next.
Thanks.
Chuck Steinmetz Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hi Chuck. I bought one of the cheap cubes that can be mounted on top of a lighting tripod (which you will need, hand holding will not work). You can get some very sophisticated laser levelling kit, but I don’t think you need it, all you need is a cross level laser, that is, one that projects a line both horizontally and vertically to give you a cross point.
is there no option to have a brightness blending in the middle so you don't have that bright strip?
You can adjust it so that you don’t see it against a bright background, but there will always be extra brightness against a dark background where the two images overlap. That’s because black in a projected image is actually dark grey. But there are some ways to deal with that, I have a video on that very subject: ruclips.net/video/pAo-t0W5J5M/видео.htmlsi=7Xs7gixZNznTn4JR.
Thos looks even more geekish than sim racing.
Hell yeah it is!
Hello Captain, awesome video here! I want to ask , my projectors are almost 2 columns overlap left and right from the screen. Should I choose start from column 3 on View1 let’s say or I choose from column 1 and I adjust it ? Cause yours on the sides are almost at the edge. I tried today from column 3 but someone told me it’s not correct. Thank you in advance!
Interesting question.
So, the columns and rows that you define must fit on the physical screen. The screen measurements must be accurate, this is what gets the correct geometric projection. When you start to map it, because your projection area extends beyond the ends of your screen, you will need to move the points at the far edges of each side of the screen so that they line up with the edges of the screen.
This means that the view area for your left projector should start at column one. Those points will initially be invisible because they will be drawn off the screen, but you can use the cursor keys to move them back on the physical screen, and continue mapping from there.
@@FlyerOneZero thank you very much will do today and I will see!
Hello this is a great video! I am just starting to grasp how to use this software for a 3 projector setup using X-Plane 11. From what I can gather you dont
need to use Nvidia surround? Just 3 independent views from 1 pc?
Hi Danny. Yes, that’s right. You need to have them as separate displays in Windows. I’m not particularly familiar with how X Plane does multiple views, but the calibration software will generate whatever file is needed to configure the simulator.
@@FlyerOneZero awesome thanks!
Hello! Thanks for the video. A need an advice. We have the same screen for flight sim in Moscow. Display and window warping are on but every time i need to press PgDn key to warp the screen (desktop or Xplane). Is there an option to set it automatically?
Hi Andro. I don't do Xplane so I'm not sure if there's anything different, but I only use window warping, I don't use desktop warping. It's on by default. So my desktop image is unwarped, but once I start Prepar3d (the sim I use) the windows are correctly warped. There's definitely a setting to say start warping when the software starts. I'll see if I can find it for you and add another comment.
Really cool! I am thinking about the different licensing options for Immersive display pro. I plan to use it with x-plane. Do I need to get the most expensive version to get exports for x-plane cameras or would it work without the exported settings? I could not figure this out.
Immersive Calibration Pro only works with Immersive Display Pro Ultimate Edition, which is the most expensive. If you do buy I would strongly advise that you get the dongle version which is slightly more expensive again, because with the PC locked license, if you change your hardware at all, the hardware ID changes and the license becomes invalid, and Fly Elise will only reset the license once.
@@FlyerOneZero thank you! so the non-ultimate just warps the desktop with simpler controls and you cannot get settings for the sims?
@@thehighwayman78 Yes, exactly.
@@FlyerOneZero oh noes. This will get expensive 😉. Looks like a very capable software though
@@thehighwayman78 There is a trial period, which would give you enough time to get it set up initially and make sure it works for you. You just have to suffer a watermark on the screen.
Hello Again! When you change the Gain and Gamma settings, and then you export, do you expect to see changes on the projector settings (offset, FOV etc) ?
No. Gain and gamma should only affect the blending zones between projectors.
@@FlyerOneZero Thank you Captain!
hello excellent video, since I wanted to do something similar, I ask you how many cm of radius did you use for the curved screen?
Hi Luca. Radius on this screen is 100cm.
In my immersive calibration I seem to have two title bars. So what I click within the window is offset. How did you switch that off?
Do you mean that your view windows have title bars? You just need to have the sim in full-screen mode. For P3D (and MSFS for that matter) that's ALT+ENTER and it will remember your setting.
Hi, I am looking to do a similar setup but for sim racing, and stumbled across this video whilst doing research. What is the input lag like, do you have any hard figures? Thanks
No, but there’s no perceptible lag. That said, reaction times are much slower in my use case. I know for a fact that many people use this solution for racing games.
Hi Good Day!
I hope you can answer my question.
Are you using surround set up in your screen? Especially while using flight sim.
Thank you.
Do you mean NVidia Surround? If so, no. For the warping to work properly the projectors must be separate displays.
@@FlyerOneZero So don’t use Nvidia Surround?
@@bigblackahuna7815 No. The screens are kept separate so the warping software will work properly.
the video is so helpful , the probleme is how to export and integrate the result to ICP and xplane11 , thank you .
Hi. If you watch my previous video on ICP here: ruclips.net/video/Ktv70mdizpw/видео.html, I go through the whole process of setting up a warp and blend into ICP with cameras, map the 180-degree views for my projectors, and export to .procalib files for Immersive Display Pro and a viewgroup file for Prepar3d. All you need to do is export for X-Plane instead. I don't know exactly what those files contain or how they are imported into X-Plane, as I don't use it, but that's the only difference.
Hello. When I press map/scan it first show anything on the projector screen. What I’m doing wrong?
Can you elaborate? Are you using cameras or just mapping to a grid on the screen?
How do you know where to set the ultra violet points ?
Hi Monika. I measured the screen and divided it into rows and columns and then I used a laser level to identify each point on the screen.
hi, i have an optoma uhd51 projector
I was wondering but is it possible to see the curved screen with mine too? Does the curvature have to be managed by the pc or by the projector? i have a dof h3 and i play at 120 inches but it is flat.
ps: What I need.
Hi Alessandro. I missed your comment, apologies for the late reply.
Creating a curved image on a curved screen requires extra software on the PC. I use something called Immersive Display Pro from Fly-Elise NG. There *are* commercial-grade projectors available which can do this directly, but they are *very* expensive. Any projector you could really afford to buy for a hobby project will only project a flat image. The screen, being curved, makes that image distorted; the software then un-does the distortion to make it look like it fits on the curve. You could cover maybe 90 degrees of angle with a single projector, so if you wanted to create a 180-degree curved screen like mine, you would need two projectors as a minimum, and depending on how large it is, you might need three.
@@FlyerOneZero Thanks for the reply! I'll try to download the program, in the meantime I'll try with a projector! I will try with 90degrees
How many Image generator you used in this setup?
Just one. A single PC generates both images.
Can I just one gaming PC for Three projectors?
I did a longer reply to your duplicated question on my other video: ruclips.net/video/EGTxiKZwtUk/видео.html. But honestly? No.
What are two good projectors to use with this software on a 180 degree screen? Under $1,500 USD
I don’t think I’m really qualified to recommend specific projectors as I have only ever used one brand. You need good contrast, high lumens (which generally rules out LED projectors), and most critically, short throw. The BenQ W1210ST units I have in the sim currently do a great job, but have been discontinued. The nearest equivalent current product appears to be the TH671ST. But other manufacturers are available, which may be just as good. I simply don’t have the experience.
At all costs, don’t be tempted by the cheap no-brand projectors you will find on Amazon. These are the ones that say they are Full HD ‘compatible’ and then turn out to have a native resolution of 480p. Obviously anything less than 1080p will not do the job. Stick with the big-name manufacturers only.
Honestly, though, this is a big investment and I would strongly advise you to do your own research and understand what the choices are in this space before you consider buying.
That said, I think you will struggle if your budget is USD1500 for both units. If this is a per unit budget, then it’s more than enough. My strong recommendation is not to compromise on spec in order to bring the price down, you will have to sacrifice something that you need.
@@FlyerOneZero Thank you very much for your opinion and expertise on the matter, seriously, very much appreciated! It’s very helpful to know this about the cheaper projectors on Amazon, importance of good contrast & high lumens and LED not being ideal. It’s great to read from your experiences!!!
@@FlyerOneZero BTW the TH671ST projectors are $749 a piece… so that’s actually exactly my mark! Excluding the other stuff needed. Your suggestion was ‘right on the money’
Which games can be run in this way, please?
Well, I don't have an exhaustive list, but Prepar3d, X-Plane, FSX (not the new MSFS), DCS, and some racing games, I believe iRacing and possibly Assetta Corso and probably some others. Basically, they need to a) support multiple views, b) have some way of defining a persistent camera view, and c) be supported by Immersive Calibration Pro.
In terms of just running a game on the big screen in ultra-widescreen (but without the perspective correction, so with stretched edges) then using the Desktop warp and blend mode in Immersive Display Pro instead of Window mode, you can run pretty much any game that will handle the resolution and aspect ratio.
Greetings. Are you personally available to answer questions via Phone, Email or Skype? Once Calibration file is exported, and Pro Display is on, P3D is not blending or reading the file. Support at Fly-Elise has not been helpful. Thanks.
Hi Larry. If you email info at backbedroompilot.com it'll reach me. I don't have much time free during the week, though, so give me a couple of days to reply. I'll do what I can but my knowledge is limited to the stuff I've had to learn for my own setup, so no guarantees :-)
Hmm. Well it seems my email forwarding is not working properly. So email me at neil.hewitt+bbp at gmail dot com (I'm obfuscating the 'at' part of the address in a vain attempt to defeat spam crawlers!)
Hi @Larry Hinman. I don’t think you ever contacted me, but if you still need to then backbedroompilot.com/contact will work.
Hi sir . How to detect procalib file and run immersive Display Pro on window startup
There's a checkbox on the Settings page to start Immersive Display Pro at startup. Once you have connected a projector to a .procalib file, the software will remember that until or unless you change it.
@@FlyerOneZero thank you sir
@@FlyerOneZerohello again sir. I can't remove traces at intersections of projectors. how can i do i can't do my perspective when i say "find frustums" i see it covers most of the curtain
@@yunussafasahan5262 Hi. I don’t really understand what you are asking here. Can you provide some more detail?
@@FlyerOneZero I can't clear traces( frustums ) at the intersection of two projectors
friend that other apps do the same?
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here. Are there other apps to do warping and blending? Yes. Warpalizer, SimVisuals to name two. There are more. Are they as good / better? Difficult to say, they aim at different markets. Warpalizer does sell to consumers and is probably the most directly similar to Immersive Display Pro. SimVisuals is a professional-level package. Neither publishes their pricing, which means you have to contact their sales teams to even know how much it might cost or get a trial. Fly Elise lets anyone download a trial version and publish their pricing, which is pretty reasonable compared to the competition. If you're asking, is there another app that does what IDP does that is free? No. No there isn't. This kind of software requires a lot of development time so you're never going to see a free or open-source app in this space.
Hope that answers your question, whatever it actually was...
@@FlyerOneZero thank you friend if that was my question, only that I am from Mexico and my English is not that good so I used the google translator
and thank you very much for taking the time to answer me friend
I wait for this message if it is understood
@@uliseslopez3330 Not really. Try Spanish.
hi sir , can you provide me manufacturer contacts.
For what?