a defense shred and penetration mechanisms sounds very overpowered and exciting!! Reminds me of ruan mei and her ability to give all out res pen! looking forward to seeing how these new limited supports will pave the way in changing meta and creating these universal teams in WUWA!!!
Oh, wow, another overpowered mechanic that’ll just make the game even more balanced and fair, right? I mean, who doesn’t love a bit of destruction to shake things up? Comparing it to Ruan Mei? That’s a laugh - next, they'll be handing out free wins with a login bonus. Can't wait for the meta to become even more ‘universal’ and ‘diverse’ with everyone running the exact same team in WUWA. Exciting times ahead, for sure! 🙄
Oh great, just what we needed - another broken mechanic to ruin the game balance even further! Defense shred and penetration? Why not just give everyone god mode while you’re at it? Comparing it to Ruan Mei’s res pen? That’s a joke. It’s like the developers want everyone to use the same overpowered teams and kill any diversity in the meta. Thanks for making WUWA even more of a pay-to-win circus. Can’t wait for these 'exciting' changes. 🙄
spectro mc do have spectro resist shred on his kit tho, but you need to unlock his/her s6 to get that shred "Rover (Spectro)'s Resonance Skill reduces the target enemy's Spectro DMG RES by 10% for 20 seconds." better do the quest to unlock that folks
We can make two team bc Baizhi exist, mabye not as good as Verina but still good. And if you learn Taoqi she can heal herself. And as a shilder we have Jianxin she can be useed for a team too. The meta is just Verina focused but we have options out of her.
This may end being true, but sadly, Kuro is not paying much attention at all to how PGR works, there's plenty of simple QoL that PGR has and WuWa doesn't. They will probably settle between a mix of Genshin's and PGR's system, at least for a while
i'm not exactly sure what you meant by Kuro not paying attention to PGR since PGR is still in service, but i was coming at this topic from the angle that it's harder to replicate how games like genshin do their teambuilding and kit designs since the characters are designed around the reaction system. whereas in PGR its more designed around swap rotations, triggering core passives, QTEs and being on element, which is a lot closer to how wuwa's system works
@@Goufgg I wrote that at 3am, I was a poopy head. I meant to say that WuWa is not implementing many of the system that worked on PGR, and is using Genshin's version instead, like the banner system just to name one, and I don't think Genshin's banner system works for PGR's team building, where you kinda need every new character but you can get them easily
Support will be groundbreaking in this game just like hsr...Imagine supports that give teamwide cr/cd, ult regen(like yang2), def shred or elemental boost that would make mono element very strong.
i agree there's just so many options for what kuro could put in a support's kit and experiment with! like with most gachas, support characters will usually be the most groundbreaking and account defining out of the entire roster. the real question is how universal does kuro want the supports to be, since right now the sub-dps characters (yinlin, changli) are already pretty specific to buffing certain elements and playstyles
You know, i get that supports need to be as fast as possible so they get as little field time as possible but we actually have options for defensive utility when it comes to teams, that is verina (duh) baizhi jianxin and taoqi, taoqi has skewed her way up into the meta with the rise of jinshi, providing a 15% flat dmg reduction when using her skill while also having decently high base shield strength making her the best defensive utility for jinshi, while its unfortunate you need R5 discord to make her work properly, she provides a lot of defensive utility even at lvl 1 for jinshi
I am pretty sure Verina will be upgraded/sidegraded by elemental specific deepen buffs with a higher number, but same mechanics as in not cancelled by switch and 20+ sec duration. Like given how she is designed and that is as a standard banner 5 star, this is the only possibility for future supports. It seems they tend to give the shred effects to dps/subdps (spectro mc, havoc mc, changli), so those unconditional deepen outros are for the true supports and to be competitive with verina, I think elemental specific deepen is the only way going forward design wise.
i think it's too early to tell, sub-dps characters like yinlin and changli have elemental specific deepen buffs (on top of having liberation deepen) in their outros so i'm not sure if kuro wants to double dip on that kind of buff with their supports as well but i think there's a ton of offensive utility options they could explore with their supports outside of just unconditional damage deepen; crit buffs, energy batteries, vibration reduction, defense shred, elemental shred
@@Goufgg Uhm, we are already double dipping with Verina, that is the point. So, right now the system is like this, as they reworked it from CBT to release: We got sub dps/supports with outro deepens, that cancel on switch (~14seconds).
you're right that was an oversight on my part. i was more focused on thinking about what other unique mechanics they can do other than simply making the number on the deepen buff bigger, because if they only did that then the support wouldn't feel very "limited"
i'm not sure if i would call powercreep a "problem" since it's so important to how gacha games work. the game wants to make the new character seem stronger than the last, so they make their kits stronger and the content more challenging to make you feel like you're unable to clear content without pulling the new character. i think it only becomes a problem if the powercreep is too huge and happens too fast. thanks for the question though!
We just need another echo set passive or a 4 star echo def debuffer. This way any fill-in supports like yangyang, yuanhu etc. will not be faced out by any characters with def debuff in their kit.
i think standard units like yangyang and yuanwu will feel like they're getting phased out as time goes on and we get more limited supports, it's just the reality of gachas but yes i agree it's only a matter of time until we get more echo set passives and 4 star echoes to give more variety (because who wants to keep spamming heron and bell) and at least help these standard characters feel a little more competitive
What I can suggest is they extend the echo system and introduce a new system that will bind a user (temporarily) to a certain role, e.g. Amplifier, main DPS, and Tank for defense shred. With this, the mechanics is not bound to a certain character but open to all. Well of coarse, tank units must be attached with tank role or you wont get the best out of it. Currently we have bell echo for damage mitigation and Heron for amplification and others a like. This new system will give a passive buff to a certain char like, if tanker role that unit can shred the defence of the enemy, if DPS role that unit can have extra dmg buff while the ampllifier role will amplify the whole team instead of just its outro. Edit: People might say, this thing already exist, but introducing a new mechanics that will stack buffs, will benefit all characters and as time goes on will give content to the game. They should keep introducing new stuff and not just new characters.
Sorry to ruin your expectations but That only applies to a single instance of dmg from her forte and liberation, and is not even a debuff unlike spectro rover has in her/his s6.
unfortunately that defense shred is more to boost changli's personal damage and isn't something that her other teammates can make use of it seems more and more like the bigger value in units like changli and yinlin are in their elemental and skill-specific (e.g. resonance liberation) deepen outros
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a defense shred and penetration mechanisms sounds very overpowered and exciting!! Reminds me of ruan mei and her ability to give all out res pen! looking forward to seeing how these new limited supports will pave the way in changing meta and creating these universal teams in WUWA!!!
Oh, wow, another overpowered mechanic that’ll just make the game even more balanced and fair, right? I mean, who doesn’t love a bit of destruction to shake things up? Comparing it to Ruan Mei? That’s a laugh - next, they'll be handing out free wins with a login bonus. Can't wait for the meta to become even more ‘universal’ and ‘diverse’ with everyone running the exact same team in WUWA. Exciting times ahead, for sure! 🙄
Oh great, just what we needed - another broken mechanic to ruin the game balance even further! Defense shred and penetration? Why not just give everyone god mode while you’re at it? Comparing it to Ruan Mei’s res pen? That’s a joke. It’s like the developers want everyone to use the same overpowered teams and kill any diversity in the meta. Thanks for making WUWA even more of a pay-to-win circus. Can’t wait for these 'exciting' changes. 🙄
@@izutrev6748dont play then, whining lil kid
defense shred sounds interesting! can't wait for more team comp varieties
spectro mc do have spectro resist shred on his kit tho, but you need to unlock his/her s6 to get that shred "Rover (Spectro)'s Resonance Skill reduces the target enemy's Spectro DMG RES by 10% for 20 seconds." better do the quest to unlock that folks
We can make two team bc Baizhi exist, mabye not as good as Verina but still good. And if you learn Taoqi she can heal herself. And as a shilder we have Jianxin she can be useed for a team too. The meta is just Verina focused but we have options out of her.
As a fellow wuwa / LoA player I appreciate this ayaya reference🤣👌
I used to only want Zhezhi becus she looks so cute. But the defense shred convinced me even more to pull for her now.
she doesnt have def shred.....
THANK GOD NOT AUSTRIAN PAINTER
First Limited Support? Yinlin is crying in the corner.
yinlin's kit does a lot of damage, she is not a pure support like verina
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There is a tier list again. Why are you so obsessed with those things?
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This may end being true, but sadly, Kuro is not paying much attention at all to how PGR works, there's plenty of simple QoL that PGR has and WuWa doesn't. They will probably settle between a mix of Genshin's and PGR's system, at least for a while
i'm not exactly sure what you meant by Kuro not paying attention to PGR since PGR is still in service, but i was coming at this topic from the angle that it's harder to replicate how games like genshin do their teambuilding and kit designs since the characters are designed around the reaction system.
whereas in PGR its more designed around swap rotations, triggering core passives, QTEs and being on element, which is a lot closer to how wuwa's system works
@@Goufgg I wrote that at 3am, I was a poopy head. I meant to say that WuWa is not implementing many of the system that worked on PGR, and is using Genshin's version instead, like the banner system just to name one, and I don't think Genshin's banner system works for PGR's team building, where you kinda need every new character but you can get them easily
dude she is not a support she is a sub-dps just like yinlin, why do ppl assume she is a healer
perhaps… because she heals…
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@@jinxhex9379 damn zhezhi is a healer? I want whatever drugs you have dude 😂
@@james-bx4wr imma keep it a buck, it was early in the morning, and i misread it 💀
Support will be groundbreaking in this game just like hsr...Imagine supports that give teamwide cr/cd, ult regen(like yang2), def shred or elemental boost that would make mono element very strong.
i agree there's just so many options for what kuro could put in a support's kit and experiment with! like with most gachas, support characters will usually be the most groundbreaking and account defining out of the entire roster.
the real question is how universal does kuro want the supports to be, since right now the sub-dps characters (yinlin, changli) are already pretty specific to buffing certain elements and playstyles
Pure shielder or pure healer would be a must pull in the game especially if u play on mobile and sucks at dodging
You deserve more subs
You know, i get that supports need to be as fast as possible so they get as little field time as possible but we actually have options for defensive utility when it comes to teams, that is verina (duh) baizhi jianxin and taoqi, taoqi has skewed her way up into the meta with the rise of jinshi, providing a 15% flat dmg reduction when using her skill while also having decently high base shield strength making her the best defensive utility for jinshi, while its unfortunate you need R5 discord to make her work properly, she provides a lot of defensive utility even at lvl 1 for jinshi
I am pretty sure Verina will be upgraded/sidegraded by elemental specific deepen buffs with a higher number, but same mechanics as in not cancelled by switch and 20+ sec duration. Like given how she is designed and that is as a standard banner 5 star, this is the only possibility for future supports. It seems they tend to give the shred effects to dps/subdps (spectro mc, havoc mc, changli), so those unconditional deepen outros are for the true supports and to be competitive with verina, I think elemental specific deepen is the only way going forward design wise.
i think it's too early to tell, sub-dps characters like yinlin and changli have elemental specific deepen buffs (on top of having liberation deepen) in their outros so i'm not sure if kuro wants to double dip on that kind of buff with their supports as well
but i think there's a ton of offensive utility options they could explore with their supports outside of just unconditional damage deepen; crit buffs, energy batteries, vibration reduction, defense shred, elemental shred
@@Goufgg Uhm, we are already double dipping with Verina, that is the point. So, right now the system is like this, as they reworked it from CBT to release:
We got sub dps/supports with outro deepens, that cancel on switch (~14seconds).
you're right that was an oversight on my part. i was more focused on thinking about what other unique mechanics they can do other than simply making the number on the deepen buff bigger, because if they only did that then the support wouldn't feel very "limited"
is it possible in the future, to have power creep introduced, do you think we can see that as a problem, similar to genshin
i'm not sure if i would call powercreep a "problem" since it's so important to how gacha games work. the game wants to make the new character seem stronger than the last, so they make their kits stronger and the content more challenging to make you feel like you're unable to clear content without pulling the new character.
i think it only becomes a problem if the powercreep is too huge and happens too fast. thanks for the question though!
def shred was never confirmed in her kit lol
I always go for limited characters. So hopefully I can get her early. I’m almost out of asterite.
Yup you definitely got a new subscriber
okay tbh you got the roles wrong in pgr (amp does dam tank also does a lot of dam)
Its been 2 weeks n we have 1.3 characters already
Zhezhi is Zhezhi
Me: NO, Zhezhi is Zhe-Hehe
We just need another echo set passive or a 4 star echo def debuffer. This way any fill-in supports like yangyang, yuanhu etc. will not be faced out by any characters with def debuff in their kit.
i think standard units like yangyang and yuanwu will feel like they're getting phased out as time goes on and we get more limited supports, it's just the reality of gachas
but yes i agree it's only a matter of time until we get more echo set passives and 4 star echoes to give more variety (because who wants to keep spamming heron and bell) and at least help these standard characters feel a little more competitive
Not a healer
What I can suggest is they extend the echo system and introduce a new system that will bind a user (temporarily) to a certain role, e.g. Amplifier, main DPS, and Tank for defense shred. With this, the mechanics is not bound to a certain character but open to all. Well of coarse, tank units must be attached with tank role or you wont get the best out of it. Currently we have bell echo for damage mitigation and Heron for amplification and others a like. This new system will give a passive buff to a certain char like, if tanker role that unit can shred the defence of the enemy, if DPS role that unit can have extra dmg buff while the ampllifier role will amplify the whole team instead of just its outro.
Edit:
People might say, this thing already exist, but introducing a new mechanics that will stack buffs, will benefit all characters and as time goes on will give content to the game. They should keep introducing new stuff and not just new characters.
i will build zhezei so well that she will do more damage than a nuke suppor or not
glasses are the best
You need 2 Teams and one Trash Team for Tower
sadly a main dps has that defensive shred on her kit A.k.a Changli 😂
Sorry to ruin your expectations but That only applies to a single instance of dmg from her forte and liberation, and is not even a debuff unlike spectro rover has in her/his s6.
unfortunately that defense shred is more to boost changli's personal damage and isn't something that her other teammates can make use of
it seems more and more like the bigger value in units like changli and yinlin are in their elemental and skill-specific (e.g. resonance liberation) deepen outros