@TheZoneRanger name one way hes evil. I dont like alex, but hes definitely chaotic good big guy. His whole shtick is wanting the freedom that americans literally first died over. He might yell about how democrats are baby eating satanists, but that's his chaotic side.
Steal? They left it. If they really wanted it, why did they leave it at Saarthal? I think they didn’t want anyone to have it, and the Nords, who didn’t know how to use it, were planning to use it anyways.
Yep. I read the books on the falmer (its not fãlmer its like fallmer) I think its worse than what we americans did to the native americans through sheer ignorance. At least we didn't mutate them.
@@fairsaa7975 played shawdowkey if so then you would know that Western boarders of hammerfell, highrock and Skyrim there were or are snow elf sanctuaries.
I was disappointed that the Snow Prince's tomb wasn't found on Solstheim. According to the lore, the Nords were so awed by an adversary who inspired such love from his allies and such fear from his enemies that they decided he deserved a proper burial in their custom. They dug for him a Nordic barrow, enshrined his armor and spear, and wrapped his body in fine silk. The only thing he was denied was the protection of Stalhrim, for that is reserved exclusively for Nord dead. Lastly, the Nords said of him, "May our gods honor him in death, and may we never meet such a foe again in life." I would have really liked to see that tomb included in Solstheim.
Yeah. If I remember correctly, Gelibor (spelling?) said that he notice a recent rise in the intelligence of the falmer. So, there is a chance that they may become a thriving civilization once again, but it is unlikely that they're bodies will return to the way they were.
Maybe they’ll try to get revenge in the dwemer,but they’ve disappeared so they’ll hold a grudge against elves as a whole,or maybe they’ll try to take back skyrim from the nords,or maybe they’ll just be content with what they have,living in dwemer ruins and making small civilizations,and maybe (even though I think this possibility is the least likely to happen) they’ll figure out how to operate dwemer technology,they were there servants after all,I’ve never played morrowind,so I don’t know if there’re falmer there,but I assume there is since the dwemer lived there,so maybe they’ll try to take morrowind instead of skyrim,or maybe like I said they’ll just be content with what they have in morrowind Edit:I’m no lore expert so I might’ve got something wrong,I also didn’t watch the video yet
It's always the races with the most mystery behind them that fascinates me. Meeting Gelibor for the first time had me nerding out because I thought it was a 'read but not see' thing going on with the Snow elves
@@TheNewAgeDevilSlayer correction. only the falmer that are underground are like that. we found 2 of them in dawnguard that are still pure falmer, both of them really old but still alive(one of them is a vampire so alive is maybe not the best word) and they are not they only ones by what they say. I think that some of the Daedroth that did not like the dwarven people, for their pride saying they are at the same level as both aedra and daedra, took some of the snow elves that did not accepted the dwarven terms and went on their on to the outside to a pocket dimension of the oblivion. and they will be seen on the next game. since the falmer live for thousands of years there is a chance that we can find them repopulating and coming back to tamriel. if you live for 10 thousand years that means that you can have at least 5 thousand children per couple(if they do like the high elves and kill the ones with birth defects maybe 2 thousand per couple that is still a lot and enough to save the race in the case of an emergency like the extinction of a race. and I don't think they are affected so much by genetic problems like we do have in real life with inbreeding. maybe they can be blessed by Mara and never have any genetic problem with their chidren. so we can have a new race with 25% cold resist 25% disease resist and affinity to restoration.
@@robbietheweirdo trash quest there should be quest where you find snow elf survivors and tell gelebor about them and then they make clan of snow elves and then go and kill every single nord they find
Falmari is right, there might still be out there, in high rock but if they are we won't be able to play as them. Hopefully we get a dlc of sort, they seem popular with fans.
if you pay attention to the game you can see that they are devolving into snow elves again. they are not eating the mushrooms anymore and are now hunting outside of caves and are getting smarter and smarter again by the second. if they make the next game 500 thousand years later they may be again a race capable of being civilized. also we know from skyrim alone of 2 falmer that did not became blind because they did not went to hide with the dwarven. there is a hight chance that they run to other parts of tamriel. there is the chance that one of the Daedroth saved them by letting them live in a pocket dimension in oblivion, since there are some of them that did not like the dwarven since they thought to be at the same level as both aedra and daedra.
Altmer --> from Latin "altus", high Aldmer --> from Old English "ald", old Bosmer --> from Dutch "bos", forest Dunmer --> from German "dunkel", dark So Falmer are "fallen" Mer?
Oh well sure Falmer just means Snow Elf or something similar in Eflish, but as you can see these elfish names are derived from real world languages. I don't find it too outlandish to assume, that the "Fal"in in Falmer is derived from the English word Fallen given their background. Alternatively it might be derived from German "fahl" meaning pale. But who knows, maybe they just thought it sounded cool.
I'm italian and we have a word for descrive that that cannot be translated : "Magari" it basically means: "I would really be happy if this thing happened, but I know it won't", I think it's the better word for describe Falmer's situation
Because Falmer translates to Snow Elf. Just like Bosmer is wood elf and Altmer means High elf. Or high Folk!. In the same sense of Orsimer meaning Pariah folk orrr the outcast elves! Aka the Orcish race. And so on etc lol.
Being possibly the last of his race, you'd think that Gelebor would be interested in procreating, so that at least some of his the snow elf blood can carry on. Could probably find some other mer who'd be interested, though, according to my understanding of TES lore, when two races interbreed, the traits of the mother are always dominant, and the child takes on only some subtle traits of their father's race(presumably so that the developers could keep the races distinct and not blur the lines too much with custom-made hybrids), so maybe this wouldn't be that effective. I guess it seems clear that TES creatures do not have mendelian genes like real-life creatures do, or this would not be the case, and the whole inheritable blindness thing wouldn't make sense either. Though, this does make me curious of what would happen if Gelebor procreated with a betrayed falmer. Would the offspring be blind? Would they be smarter? Maybe the re-introduction of some healthy genes is all it takes make them look like the snow elves of old, considering we don't know how magic TES genetics work? Or maybe the corrupt traits would prove dominant? I'm not sure how he'd go about that, and it's not a pretty image to imagine either, but thinking practically, it sounds like a good idea, putting some healthy genes out into the falmer genepool. Gelebor said he'd witnessed a slight rise in the betrayed's intelligence over time, maybe if they had access to genes better for intelligence, those would be naturally selected for and spread in the population? I'm getting way too many images of falmer fucking in my head now, but the idea still seems smart.
@@Priceluked not, the opposite, it doe, for example, the Heart of Lorkhan was used by the False tribuneal to gane so much power to become godslike, and they were Chimers, Lorkhan created Mundus not only for men, but also for Mer, but even so they do not lik him cause they wanted to remain immortal, and if you think about it it's pretty ironic that the ones that lives most time and should become wiser with it, are the Mer, but they still think that immortality is a good thing, even if we al ìl now that 1. it's impossible 2. Being immortal is more a curse than a benediction, if you think about it
@@victorygame7296 Shor despises the Elves because they are the progeny of the Aedra who killed him and sundered his heart. Shor loves men because he created them personally and are almost like his children. That's why he helped them many times in their wars with the elves.
ES6 would be dope if it centered on the return of the Dwemer. Perhaps with a side story of pockets of Snow elves showing up and the true reason for the Falmers state being revealed. Because I get fungi turning you blind. The head scratcher for me is how would that turn a SOUL from black to greater...
Mr_Gray The dwemer are my favourite race and I know most about their lore and history. But I don't think we'll ever see them again unless we get a prequel.
Hardstyle Dom91 Hey now. Never say never. I was playing through Skyrim, reading the books and looking at the lore and never thought I’d see a pre-Falmer snow elf before Dawnguard.
Mr_Gray Yes but the thing is, where did they go to? Where they absorbed into the metal god? Or did they go to a plane of oblivion? Did they just leave nirn all together? I can hope and hope and hope we get to see them, but they literally all disappeared except maybe one or two, whom were on a different plane of existence st the time.
I find it both interesting and funny how when you shoot an arrow next to the Falmer being far away they slightly detect you and somehow immediatly know where you are and the archers have an optimal accuracy despite being blind 🤣😱
I have many doubts on the story of falmer. When meeting gelebor we find that the snow elfs mainly worship Auriel and they are also specialized in an advanced form of restoration magic or magic related to sun. The races of men are known to have shorter life spans and high reproduction rate. It is natural for the elfs to fear that humans would literally outbreed them and then humans discovered an incredibly powerful artifact underneath their refugee city. This is were the story seems to be puzzling. Skyrim was already occupied by two species of mer, the ancient falmer and the dwenmer the latter especially could have found this artifact long before the atmorans. And if the night of tears had happened for real the elfs would have taken the eye of Magnus somewhere else but in the fourth era the last dragon born found the eye of Magnus in sartal. And there's more it is said that the atmorans were staying on sartal as refugees. So how the hell did they managed to wipe out a race dominant on the land they sought refuge. Here my theory, the story that atmorans and snow elfs coexisted is bullshit. The atmorans certainly had the might to overpower snow elfs and they came to skyrim not as refugees but as invaders and when they were done conquering like all winner they brought up a story that made the snow elfs the cause of the conflict.
That's kind of what I think As Well considering there religion and all the snow elves seem way to unlikely to start a conflict think about it the nedes were the native humans of tamriel and lived in both highrock hammerfell and parts of Skyrim but there are no records of snow elves fighting or enslaving them. I think the reason sarthaal was attacked was because the snow elves learned that the nords had some kind of super weapon that they attacked the settlement out of fear of it being used on them
@@victorygame7296 did you read my entire comment. Yes history in skyrim states that atmorans were the victims. But who recorded this history ? The Atmorans. History is always writen by the winners and the losers are just either ceased to exist or are powerless to prove otherwise. In my previous comment I stated that the historical account of atmoran and snow elf conflict is questionable since there are much stuff that do not match up with the story. Reality could be much different than the story it could be also possible the dwenmer could be behind the whole war triggering war between atmorans and snow elfs and finished their Civilization under this wars shadow.
@@steakinbacon8593 my personal theory is that the dwenmer or commonly called the dwarfs (which is incorrect) could be the ones directly responsible for the war. They could be the one's responsible for the night of tears and triggered war between falmers and atmorans. And then they could have picked off snow elf establishments and cities one by one weakening them.
@@vigneshkr7072 no, that history's not Atmoran, it's imperial, wich is different, I'd like to remember you that most of the imperials consider the Nords just barbarians without law or civilization, obviusly we now that it's not true but they (the imperials) believe that it's true, so an imperial (which I remember you doesn't believe in history or legends of the Nords) that says that the Nords' history it's true, other than that, even Gelebor (the Snow elf of the Dawnguard dlc) says that most of the snow elves wanted to slay all of the Nords, and that Ysgramor and his familiy were alive 'cause they managed to ecape Sarthaal, and says that most of the snow elves deserved what the Nords did, but not all of them, and then, I say: "This is how the war works, a lot of innocent lives crushed, but, again, that does not mean the Nords were right, instead, it means they were wrong killing ALL of snow elves, but the night of the tears happened, you if even a snow elf said it happened, other than that, if you go to a dwemer ruin with any nord, when you will arrive in the room of the tortures (there is one of them in every dwemer ruin) ALL will say: "Dwemer were a cruel race, not even the Falmer deserved what they done them", Nords don't hate Falmer, they were only angry, and I'll say you more, probably, when Saarthal was attacked, also a lot of snow elves were killed, and a lot of other snow elves probably cried, cause there were also a lot of couples of friends between snow elves and Nords, and again, we don't know who was that or if someone ordered the night of the tears, but it caused anger, the anger causes war, the war causes innocent and culprits lives broken, and lives broken causes despair, despair causes making desicions without thinking, and bad desision bring you to death, that's exactly what happened, for some stpid snow elf, their entire race died, obviously it's also Nords' fault, but if there weren't any night of tears, then probably we would see a Skyrim where Nords and snow elf live in peace and prosperity, or, at leats, it's how I like to think it, in any way, but, as Gelebor (the snow elf survivor) ther's still a glimmer of hope, don't you think?
Great job mate, but there is a one mistake. Snow elves didn't "become" Falmer, they always were. Falmer is just an Aldmeri expression for a Snow Elf(Fal-Snow, Mer-Elvenkind). Outsiders haven't seen Falmer since the end of Merethic era(The early 1st era actually) after they were defeated by Ysgramor and made a pact with the Dwemer, and in the 4th era, which is the Skyrim's timeline, most of the inhabitants of Skyrim don't know the fact that the Falmer are the same elves that were defeated by Ysgramor. Although it's a common knowledge that Ysgramor and his companions eradicated the elves, not much of their lore was preserved. Since their physical and behavioral change probably developed during the first Era(That's 2.920 years, probably enough for them to become twisted creatures as they are), connection between the terms "Falmer" and the ancient "Snow Elves" was lost in history overtime, so when someone says "Falmer", no ones associates them with the "Snow Elf" anymore, but the creatures they became. That's the reason why the last known unchanged Falmer, Knight-Paladin Gelebor hates that term, and prefers to identify his race in human language, but he also hates calling them Falmer and calls them "Betrayed" instead, which is ironic given to the fact that the Falmer betrayed the alliance with ancient Atmorans(which caused their descendants eternally having issues to trust the other Mer), and then their own elven kind Dwemer betrayed them making of them what they are now(One of the most cruel cases of karma in TES lore xD).
I am loving the deep lore made understandable guys. I don't care if it's a 10 min video or an hr. You guys do a wonderful & thorough job, either way. I never have a favorite, because all 3 of you, Drew, Scott & Michael are equally engaging and talented, yet all different. Loving it. Nice addition to your reputation for builds. Always been brains and brawn. Best mix. I have never yet done the quest where you meet the last of the Snow Elves, so I am super curious about it. It is also fascinating that they appear to be gaining intelligence, though slowly. Perhaps their species is finally adapting to the fungus that is still a staple in their diet and they are becoming immune to the effects over generations. Being free from having been under the yoke of slavery also could contribute to their becoming organized and beginning to thrive. It would be nice if they began to turn around and not be so aggressive immediately, perhaps regaining sight, adapting to life not strictly underground again and maybe allowing for trade and a change to their physical form, as well. Maybe not to their former splendor, what with the changes they have collectively been through, for so long, but maybe to something less hideous and hostile. I love the correlation you've suggested between the Falmer & the Dwemer. It is such a shame that the splendor of both man & mer seems to take such tragic turns, due to greed, lust & desire for power or to seek immortality. Edit: Btw, I am commenting infrequently bcuz my laptop & cell are currently inoperable & I must use my kid's desktop after her bedtime, since school is out & she's on it a lot. In a couple of weeks all should be back to normal when my cell is either fixed or replaced. Can still watch on my TV's YT app, though no chat, comments or share buttons on the app, unfortunately. But, I can watch, at least. :)
So if Ysgramor didn't kill all the Snow Elves we could have another Elf race as an race option. They could have Cold Resist, Magic bonus, Tall to be fast and its power ability to gain Frost Cloak just like Dark Elves can use Flame Cloak.
"The Snow Elves started this war under the childish delusion they could sack cities and not face retaliation. In Saarthal, they put that delusional theory to the test. They have sown the wind and now, they shall reap the whirlwind."
trash quest there should be quest where you find snow elf survivors and tell gelebor about them and then they make clan of snow elves and then go and kill every single nord they find
and there are. on downguard alone we found 2 that did not went with the dwarven. in fact over half of the snow elves did not go underground. most of those died but a lot of them must have survived and made a new colony on other part of tamriel. I believe that maybe Mara felt pity for them and rescued them by giving them a safe place to regrow their population to safe numbers while blessing the couples so they never have babies with problems.
Fun fact gelibor and his brother virther were not the only snow elves taking refuge in the forgotten vale with them were 100 acolytes they had with them when they returned the chantry the state we see it in now was rather recent one if the acolytes was a vampire and turned virther and emediatly following was a large raid by the falmer. My point is if 100 snow elves could hide from the nords for so long then it's also possible that there are pockets of snow elves hidden in other places like high rock or hammerfell. I've always been interested in snow elves and I think it would be dope if they showed up in ES6 or a dlc for ES6
I love the fact that people in the comments are arguing about who deserves skyrim,that the snow elves shouldn’t have attacked the atmorans,it just makes me like the elder scrolls series even more,that it’s deep enough for people not to agree on some things
Ali Ezz couldn’t agree more. You know the lore of your fantasy universe is good shit when people debate the tiny details and different takes on things like it’s real world history.
Absolutely true, and it is why The Elder Scrolls has some of the best fantastic history that I'm aware of. So much of fantasy is obvious good versus obvious evil, and there is still a healthy amount of that in TES where the immortals are concerned, but even more of their history is just mortals doing things to mortals for many of the same reasons that groups of people on our planet do things to eachother. That makes many of the usual fantasy tropes regarding relations between fantasy races seem so petty, and it lends serious consideration to how we interact with the game world.
Truly! And my two cents on this is: Ysgramor and the 500's retaliation against the snow elves is justified but not the genocide.. Pretty sure that not all Snow Elves took part on the Night of Tears anyway so they should have spared those innocents..
its not really hard just put heavily veiled Conservative and Liberal ideals in conflict as it essentially becomes good vs evil just depending on your own political views creating conflict just like it does in real life ez win. In this case supporters of Nords are likely more Conservative and supporters of snow elves are more likely liberals. This comes from the conflict being really about whether a conquer owns a land after conquering and living in that region for generations owns said land and whether those future generations owe anything to the previous occupants even if that generation did not partake in conquering the land only their ancestors. In this case Conversatives especially in America would be supportive of the Nords as this conflict is represented in the history of America while Liberals whom are more supportive of freedom of movement and little focus on individual nation states especially assigning a race to a state while not suggesting Nords should leave Skyrim would be more supportive of the Snow Elves situation. This is well represented in modern day where colonial states such as America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand whom all have close relations which the previous inhabitants whether which attempts in many to make amends or give benefits to the effected race although there is still conflict between liberals and conservatives about varying issues including eg. in Australia historical view and whether "Australia Day" should be on the date Captain cook since it represents the start of many massacres against the Aboriginal people including loss of land in which this debate Conservatives hold the event close to their cultural identity and history arguing it is not related to the event of Aboriginal deaths but to the formation of Australia while liberals are in general (i should have added this more but everything here in terms of peoples views are "in general") more supportive of the Aboriginal people in having the date changed to the date of the confederation of Australia. So in this case Conservatives would relate to the Nords and thus be more supportive of them. Although saying that colonial powers where not the only ones to force out another population and this is done many times through out history but usually either the expelled population for various reasons don't have as strong a claim to land as colonial people have potential because they can be proven to be the original population of a land that has never changed hands. This was just a fun paragraph for me thinking about this lore event and its relation to real life events while i believe what i have written is true that being said i don't really care that much about anything i wrote. now if i could write something this long for the essay i am supposed to be doing right now but procrastinating also this is the same idea the devs used in the stormcloak vs imperials
I thought I remembered reading in the lore that initially it was peaceful between the nords and the snow elves, but eventually the nords decided they wanted the land and started warring with the snow elves. Sometime during the war, the nords found the Eye of Magnus. Then the Night of Tears is a bit of speculation, nords won so they get to leave behind the story. Gelebor seems to hint that it wasn't so peaceful, but it's not like the whole race of snow elves called for the extinction of the nords. Either way, they massacred the nord settlement. Some would say then the wiping out of the snow elves was their fault because of such slaughter. I don't completely blame the nords for wanting retribution, but they also went too far in slaughtering all snow elves instead of just those responsible for the attack. Considering that Skyrim was snow elves' home, I don't think all snow elves could be responsible for the attack on Saarthal. So nords killing snow elves indiscriminately is no better than the snow elves having killed a whole nord settlement. So I do feel bad for the falmer. That's kind of how war goes. Lots of innocents caught in the middle.
Very true, we don't have the full story, and people don't seem to understand that the Nords wrote everything down, and so we'll never know the truth on a larger scale
Ali Ezz well yeah,given that mods can't work for me i make a dark elf as pale as possible,get a warpaint that covers most of the face and make it very white and you kinda get a snow elf
the falmiri keeper of knowlegde are you using a console, or is there another reason you can’t use mods? My first play through, I was playing on 360 so I made a wood elf as pale as possible.
@@labaccident2010 no,i use a pc but,last time i used a mod it destroyed my game,i had to delete it and reinstall it then begin from the start...that's why i no longer take risks with mods
Why is there no ancient Falmer architecture in Skyrim? Is it because the Nords destroyed it all or just that Bethesda chose/forgot/didn’t think to put it in?
Doesen't dwemer machinery work on soul gems? Perhaps one of the reasons they wanted a slave race was for readily available soul gem materials, and for some reason needed to devolve them because black soul gems are...idk...tied to the soul cairn or something?
"Chitin" is pronounced "Ky-tin". *Why does no one ever mention that BASIC EVOLUTION would turn them into what they are now?* Being blinded and stuck underground for hundreds (or more) years, plus likely whatever we don't know about Elven physiology, would make them this way.
+Mike, from Texas That's not how evolution works, especially not within a few thousand years, plus it's already established in the lore. Logically a blind demented version would not be naturally selected for...
MrWheelman82 It's more like the poison was a mutagen, or it damaged the very soul of the elves to blind, and subjugate them. However why they were blinded is anybody's guess.
The style of your lore videos is always appreciated. I do wonder as to where the “servants” of Blackreach came from. Can the Falmer operate the lifts or are there other, larger openings to the surface world as the presence of the giant might indicate? The servants do not speak, so it stands to reason they were taken at a young age or have lived with the Falmer their whole lives. Their protective defense of the Falmer is also very interesting. I would love it if you guys would explore this topic more, also the magic used to resurrect the dragons. It seems entirely different from other conjugation/necromantic magic encountered in Skyrim. Thanks for all the hard work!
@@Savini.Jason_vh-rjh I actually hate fighting them because of how bad I feel for doing it. As for the Forsworn ....I don't like either side the silverbloods suck and so do the forsworn
@@VampireQueen696 true. the nords and "reachmen" r not the original natives of the reach. it's technically dwemer and snow elves that were in Skyrim before men were
>Satanist pfp >"The weak didnt deserve to be punished by the strong" You aren't evil, you are just degenerate, and only the Good tolerate the degenerate.
So like, hear me out, could the snow elves be kind of saved if the last elf dude in the forgotten veil mated with another elf? Whichever elf most closely resembles a snow elf? Like that one dude has the power to rekindle a whole species more or less
GreyBearGMN I still find it insane that their culture was so significantly wiped out. Handfuls of the species should have survived and maybe resettled in another region of Tamriel. Completely wiping out a species should be incredibly difficult, but The Elder Scrolls runs through them like mentos.
Spartan Delta 27 I'm also surprised how we don't see more snow elf architecture in the world. Even some lost ruins in the mountains since they were 'snow' elfs (besides the one dawngaurd area)
GreyBearGMN That is a really good point. The Atmorans likely leveled more than a few Falmer settlements during their attempts to colonize Skyrim, but still at least a few should have survived in Skyrim proper. Odd.
He might be able to save them just depends on how they do it. Maybe Gelebor could ascend to god hood and restore his race to their former glory. Maybe Auriel can restore them, they could come back through a dragon break. Maybe they could find other isolated Snow Elves and repopulate. I think it would be cool if they came back, they could have a unique culture. One part of their culture could be old Snow elf ways with the white armor, while other would rather have the tribal culture with black chaurus armor. It could really show the polarization in their society
Personally, I don't trust Ysgrammor's account of what happened on the Night of Tears - considering he thought genocide was the appropriate response and stood to gain so much from it. The Snow Elves were distinctly un-war-like and it's unlikely that a culture that creates teleportation portals would have a huge problem digging up the most important magical and religious artifact of all time. No matter how I try and see it, at BEST the Atmorans were being very rude and at worst, Nord culture is based entirely on a lie. Granted, I don't think Bethesda will ever have the balls to go full "Nords = non-Native American settlers," but it does at least make silly fake history about elves more interesting.
Agree, snow elf's lore always bothered me since I found about them. Take a look at the account of the battles of Moespring, I think it was Nord propaganda at its finest. I mean, the snow prince are seemingly unstopable at begining, but suddenly a 12 years old child pulls 'to end him rightly' by throwing a sword at the prince?! What a 12 years old child doing at the middle of war? How the hell she even go to the battle field in the first place?
I may be wrong here but ysgrammor ended up in sovngarde, he must've done something right to end up in what is basically Nord heaven. And the snow elves we meet in skyrim are basically priests, they will be a lot tamer than say a person who sees nords as invaders. All races have their black sheep, just like the gods that created the mortals, they vary in their views quite a lot.
I'd like to see the snow elves return in tes 6 a more peaceful druidic elven race that coexist and farm the skittering creatures of tamriel, kinda like the dunmer on steroids
Why didn't the Snow Elves just migrate south to Cyrodiil and seek refuge with the Aylieds? Were they incapable of surviving the sweltering heat that was Cyrodiil's mediterranean climate? Are they like Mr. Freeze in that respect? Is it the equivalent of being in a hot oven for them? Well, Nords are in all pronvinces of Tamriel (though they are prominent in Skyrim), and THEY aren't cooked alive!
hah, no, not really! My Nord character walks around in nothing but minimal chainmail, and she's not even caught a cold yet. I wish I was that cold resistant in real life, lol
The aylieds where dealing with a human revolt. Infact some aylieds went to skyrim and where slaghtered. So i dout the snow elfs. That did retreat to cyridol would not live for long i think.
Aldous Boal No, the human uprising in Cyrodiil lead by St. Alessia began in 1E 242. The war between the Nords and the Snow Elves happened in the late Merethic Era.
Well the snow elves said he might be last of his kind, or he said there might me a small band of snow elves hiding somewhere! And those elves are one that escaped before they could turn to the falmer!
The real “civil war” of Skyrim, and of a game was set during that time I would undoubtedly fight against the nords once again - they really haven’t changed much.
You never know in the next elder scrolls we may get more lore on them in the form of a book. Potentially about how word of the dragon borns exploits let them come put of hiding. They may even lead a crusade to wipe out the falmer blood line to restore their honour.
I DON'T LIKE 'EM PUTTING FUNGI IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRICKEN ELVES BLIND!
TheSheWolf get the ban hammer out we’ve got a freethinker here ...
@TheZoneRanger name one way hes evil. I dont like alex, but hes definitely chaotic good big guy. His whole shtick is wanting the freedom that americans literally first died over. He might yell about how democrats are baby eating satanists, but that's his chaotic side.
@@SisyphusJP *Hands em the hammer* They have a sense of humor also. This must be eliminated!!!!
And gay
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Now... that part might be interesting.
Kinda ironic they went blind trying to steal an eye
What a twist
Steal? They left it. If they really wanted it, why did they leave it at Saarthal? I think they didn’t want anyone to have it, and the Nords, who didn’t know how to use it, were planning to use it anyways.
@@fumarc4501 I rather doubt that. I don't think those dumb knife ears were able to find it.
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They would've, easily, given their connection to it. That's IF that's why Saarthal was destroyed, we still don't know officially
It’s a fucken robot.
Me: I already know the lore about this.
Also me: *clicks on video anyway*
T H relatable
Yep. I read the books on the falmer (its not fãlmer its like fallmer) I think its worse than what we americans did to the native americans through sheer ignorance. At least we didn't mutate them.
Me to LOL
Except the natives weren't 6 foot pale elves with deadly magic that massacred a entire city because they didn't have enough sex
T H Bruh Same!!!
I wanna see the Snow Elves rise again. Their architecture reminds me so much of the Ayleid style.
Maybe a DLC-size mod? Truth be told, I've been having ideas for something like that, but I know nothing about making mods.
Maybe we see them again in ES6 I mean they left What Gelebor said opened.
@St. James Hawke You find that guy's remains...
@@chatty6481 Would love if there was a survivor group in Hammerfall, and at least let them become like the Gray Beards and teach you ancient magic.
@@fairsaa7975 played shawdowkey if so then you would know that Western boarders of hammerfell, highrock and Skyrim there were or are snow elf sanctuaries.
I was disappointed that the Snow Prince's tomb wasn't found on Solstheim. According to the lore, the Nords were so awed by an adversary who inspired such love from his allies and such fear from his enemies that they decided he deserved a proper burial in their custom. They dug for him a Nordic barrow, enshrined his armor and spear, and wrapped his body in fine silk. The only thing he was denied was the protection of Stalhrim, for that is reserved exclusively for Nord dead. Lastly, the Nords said of him, "May our gods honor him in death, and may we never meet such a foe again in life." I would have really liked to see that tomb included in Solstheim.
It is included in a quest apart of "Legacy of the Dragonborn" mod.
They didn't do it because skyrim didn't have spears
@@landoncube769the riekling have spears tho. They could have made one as a unique model
Hold up hopes for elder scrolls 6
Brigands I can handle. But this talk of Falmer? World's gone mad I say.
Whiterun Guard from the look of you,I’d say you used to be an adventurer like me,but then you took an arrow in the knee and got shackled
Lmfao
Oh my god
😂😂😂😂😂
No lollygaggin'
So you can cast a few spells, what, am I supposed to be impressed?
Did somebody steal your sweetroll
They mention in Skyrim that the Falmer are becoming smarter, so there’s hope that the Snow Elves can return one day.
Yeah. If I remember correctly, Gelibor (spelling?) said that he notice a recent rise in the intelligence of the falmer. So, there is a chance that they may become a thriving civilization once again, but it is unlikely that they're bodies will return to the way they were.
The Illuminati it would be more of a goblin level of intelligence
They no longer have black souls.. So I don't think they could ever get back to what they were
Maybe they’ll try to get revenge in the dwemer,but they’ve disappeared so they’ll hold a grudge against elves as a whole,or maybe they’ll try to take back skyrim from the nords,or maybe they’ll just be content with what they have,living in dwemer ruins and making small civilizations,and maybe (even though I think this possibility is the least likely to happen) they’ll figure out how to operate dwemer technology,they were there servants after all,I’ve never played morrowind,so I don’t know if there’re falmer there,but I assume there is since the dwemer lived there,so maybe they’ll try to take morrowind instead of skyrim,or maybe like I said they’ll just be content with what they have in morrowind
Edit:I’m no lore expert so I might’ve got something wrong,I also didn’t watch the video yet
Ali Ezz their only in skyrim, friend. Because the Snow elves are natives to skyrim and not morrowind.
It's always the races with the most mystery behind them that fascinates me. Meeting Gelibor for the first time had me nerding out because I thought it was a 'read but not see' thing going on with the Snow elves
It’s always the extinct mer that are the most interesting 😭
"I hate those giant black chittering insects you get here. They make my eyes hurt and my fur stand on end." -Inigo the Brave
Considering the little we saw of Snow Elf architecture and technology it's certainly a shame their civilization has fallen :(
That portal magic, tho...
The armour tho
@@matthewdoherty803 beautiful
I mean…they’re basically the hottest, smartest race, right?
@Miss_Camel They were once beautiful and smart, but they weren't as advanced as the Dwarves.
It's interesting that they actually lost their soul potency. They no longer have black souls
Robert Baratheon good observation! Indeed interesting
Do they have white souls now? Or no souls at all?
Testa Nera same thing. The point is they fit in lesser soul gems
Testa Nera actually yes they are.
@@TheNewAgeDevilSlayer correction. only the falmer that are underground are like that. we found 2 of them in dawnguard that are still pure falmer, both of them really old but still alive(one of them is a vampire so alive is maybe not the best word) and they are not they only ones by what they say. I think that some of the Daedroth that did not like the dwarven people, for their pride saying they are at the same level as both aedra and daedra, took some of the snow elves that did not accepted the dwarven terms and went on their on to the outside to a pocket dimension of the oblivion. and they will be seen on the next game. since the falmer live for thousands of years there is a chance that we can find them repopulating and coming back to tamriel. if you live for 10 thousand years that means that you can have at least 5 thousand children per couple(if they do like the high elves and kill the ones with birth defects maybe 2 thousand per couple that is still a lot and enough to save the race in the case of an emergency like the extinction of a race. and I don't think they are affected so much by genetic problems like we do have in real life with inbreeding. maybe they can be blessed by Mara and never have any genetic problem with their chidren. so we can have a new race with 25% cold resist 25% disease resist and affinity to restoration.
I always want to help the Falmer, but they just won't stop trying to kill me.
I wish you could get gelebor to actually help the falmer. Whether by suggesting restoring them to their former glory or anything else
@@robbietheweirdo trash quest there should be quest where you find snow elf survivors and tell gelebor about them and then they make clan of snow elves and then go and kill every single nord they find
I wish this race would not die out. I like their style and history =(
Mugi Wurm their is a possiblity that some of them hid in settlements in the mountains or escaped to high rock and maybe even hammerfell
@@apathetichumanoid2891 Yeah but Gelebor is most likely the last snow elf of Skyrim.
Falmari is right, there might still be out there, in high rock but if they are we won't be able to play as them. Hopefully we get a dlc of sort, they seem popular with fans.
if you pay attention to the game you can see that they are devolving into snow elves again. they are not eating the mushrooms anymore and are now hunting outside of caves and are getting smarter and smarter again by the second. if they make the next game 500 thousand years later they may be again a race capable of being civilized. also we know from skyrim alone of 2 falmer that did not became blind because they did not went to hide with the dwarven. there is a hight chance that they run to other parts of tamriel. there is the chance that one of the Daedroth saved them by letting them live in a pocket dimension in oblivion, since there are some of them that did not like the dwarven since they thought to be at the same level as both aedra and daedra.
@Toori Baba - you're disgusting.
Altmer --> from Latin "altus", high
Aldmer --> from Old English "ald", old
Bosmer --> from Dutch "bos", forest
Dunmer --> from German "dunkel", dark
So Falmer are "fallen" Mer?
Oh well sure Falmer just means Snow Elf or something similar in Eflish, but as you can see these elfish names are derived from real world languages. I don't find it too outlandish to assume, that the "Fal"in in Falmer is derived from the English word Fallen given their background. Alternatively it might be derived from German "fahl" meaning pale. But who knows, maybe they just thought it sounded cool.
Nor Adrenalin most likely the second option, considering how pale they are compared to the other races.
Y los maormer?
Gênio
Nor Adrenalin Ald -> Old English -> Frisian
Despite being evil monstrosities, I can't help but feel pity for them.
There may yet still be a few enclaves of hidden snow elves out there.
I'm italian and we have a word for descrive that that cannot be translated : "Magari" it basically means: "I would really be happy if this thing happened, but I know it won't", I think it's the better word for describe Falmer's situation
@victory game Maybe.
@@victorygame7296 replace the "g" with a "c" means the same thing in Greek
We used to be an empire like you, then we took a mushroom to the eye...
I just realized that the Falmer have mer at the end of their name. I had never realized that until now.
Because Falmer translates to Snow Elf. Just like Bosmer is wood elf and Altmer means High elf. Or high Folk!. In the same sense of Orsimer meaning Pariah folk orrr the outcast elves! Aka the Orcish race. And so on etc lol.
Strictly speaking it tranlates to "Snow One" as "mer" in elvish is "one".
wow
You didn't realize it when you had to harvest falmer blood to estimate dwemer blood for Septimus?
Daevon Dark don't forget Dunmer. Dark Elves or Cursed Folk/Elves.
Being possibly the last of his race, you'd think that Gelebor would be interested in procreating, so that at least some of his the snow elf blood can carry on. Could probably find some other mer who'd be interested, though, according to my understanding of TES lore, when two races interbreed, the traits of the mother are always dominant, and the child takes on only some subtle traits of their father's race(presumably so that the developers could keep the races distinct and not blur the lines too much with custom-made hybrids), so maybe this wouldn't be that effective. I guess it seems clear that TES creatures do not have mendelian genes like real-life creatures do, or this would not be the case, and the whole inheritable blindness thing wouldn't make sense either.
Though, this does make me curious of what would happen if Gelebor procreated with a betrayed falmer. Would the offspring be blind? Would they be smarter? Maybe the re-introduction of some healthy genes is all it takes make them look like the snow elves of old, considering we don't know how magic TES genetics work? Or maybe the corrupt traits would prove dominant?
I'm not sure how he'd go about that, and it's not a pretty image to imagine either, but thinking practically, it sounds like a good idea, putting some healthy genes out into the falmer genepool. Gelebor said he'd witnessed a slight rise in the betrayed's intelligence over time, maybe if they had access to genes better for intelligence, those would be naturally selected for and spread in the population? I'm getting way too many images of falmer fucking in my head now, but the idea still seems smart.
Tobias Hagström Elder Scrolls VI: 50 shades of Gelebor
Someone write a filthy fanfic of Gelebor making sweet love to decrepit little betrayed falmer las.
and a new book to compet to the lust argonian maid is born
Now I too am getting way too many images of falmer fucking in my head. Thanks a lot
All I know is Gelebor better be saving those jars of sperm in a cold place, just in case. The forgotten vale will do.
Crazy there's so much backstory just to these enemy creatures in Skyrim, but that's Elder Scrolls!
in elder srcolls the only ones who do not have a backstory are the couriers
My favorite, but also most depressing, story.
I seriously want a "restore the Falmer" hope within the elder scrolls universe.
Falmer are a pain to defeat, but I'd love to see the return of the Snow Elves as they once were.
I want a dlc sized mod were you find a group of snow elfs
The falmer were just a dwemer prank bro!
Matthew Chirino Calm down bro the lexicons are over there
Too soon
*A bunch of pissed off newly blind falmer chasing a dwemer* “it’s a prank! Bro it’s just a prank!”
So the falmer of Elder Scrolls lore are a lot like the orcs in Tolkien's works. I suppose that makes the dwemer akin to Morgoth.
Poseidon Dwemer tech is powered by magic. They made the two basically one and the same.
The Dwemer weren’t smart enough to see what monsters they would create.
Dahkittydoonsta More so just not kind enough. They didn’t exactly care.
The Dwemer are more powerful than The Falmer
Spartan Gaming Dwemer ain’t shit. They got yeeted from existence and into death. With one survivor.
Dahkittydoonsta and that one survivor is a fat sack of shit
Obi Wan Kenobi but he’s a cool dude though.
I'm not much a fan of the enemies of Lorkhan, but even I feel sorry for the Snow Elves.
Snurgum Wurgum The Nords would be doing them a favor by killing them all now. Shor's mercy does not extend to Mer.
@@Priceluked not, the opposite, it doe, for example, the Heart of Lorkhan was used by the False tribuneal to gane so much power to become godslike, and they were Chimers, Lorkhan created Mundus not only for men, but also for Mer, but even so they do not lik him cause they wanted to remain immortal, and if you think about it it's pretty ironic that the ones that lives most time and should become wiser with it, are the Mer, but they still think that immortality is a good thing, even if we al ìl now that 1. it's impossible 2. Being immortal is more a curse than a benediction, if you think about it
@@victorygame7296 Shor despises the Elves because they are the progeny of the Aedra who killed him and sundered his heart. Shor loves men because he created them personally and are almost like his children. That's why he helped them many times in their wars with the elves.
@@Priceluked Elves weren't children of Aedra, they were sons of Shor, too, all mortal races are Shor's sons
@@victorygame7296 Not true in the literal sense. Mer are quite literally the descendants of Aedra who remained on Nirn.
As a snow elf enthusiast, I outright refuse to believe that non blind are completely extinct and that Gelebor is the last of his kind
Tragic story. I used to hate the Falmer but now I have immense empathy for them and what they've been through.
I wish I could play a Snow Elf. :(
Theres probably a mod for that
There is
If you accept main storyline quests from the College of Winterhold, Thieves' Guild and the Companions, you could appreciate this even further.
ES6 would be dope if it centered on the return of the Dwemer. Perhaps with a side story of pockets of Snow elves showing up and the true reason for the Falmers state being revealed. Because I get fungi turning you blind. The head scratcher for me is how would that turn a SOUL from black to greater...
Mr_Gray
The dwemer are my favourite race and I know most about their lore and history.
But I don't think we'll ever see them again unless we get a prequel.
Hardstyle Dom91 Hey now. Never say never. I was playing through Skyrim, reading the books and looking at the lore and never thought I’d see a pre-Falmer snow elf before Dawnguard.
Mr_Gray
Yes but the thing is, where did they go to? Where they absorbed into the metal god? Or did they go to a plane of oblivion?
Did they just leave nirn all together?
I can hope and hope and hope we get to see them, but they literally all disappeared except maybe one or two, whom were on a different plane of existence st the time.
Hardstyle Dom91 maybe that’s it then. Different plane of existence entirely. Only thing I can see happening when playing with gods.
Mr_Gray NO! People who want this are ridiculous. That would be the dumbest thing ever in an ES game.
If I was a imperial I would have struck a deal to end hostility with nords to work against the thalmore
I find it both interesting and funny how when you shoot an arrow next to the Falmer being far away they slightly detect you and somehow immediatly know where you are and the archers have an optimal accuracy despite being blind 🤣😱
Snow elves are like a race of smeagols
There are other snow elves hiding amongst other races. It says it in one of those unknown books. I forget which one.
The snow elves are one race in the elder scrolls series that I'm obsessed with
The most horrible thing with this history, is that some Snow Elves were forced to build Windhelm by Ysgramor
I have many doubts on the story of falmer. When meeting gelebor we find that the snow elfs mainly worship Auriel and they are also specialized in an advanced form of restoration magic or magic related to sun. The races of men are known to have shorter life spans and high reproduction rate. It is natural for the elfs to fear that humans would literally outbreed them and then humans discovered an incredibly powerful artifact underneath their refugee city. This is were the story seems to be puzzling. Skyrim was already occupied by two species of mer, the ancient falmer and the dwenmer the latter especially could have found this artifact long before the atmorans. And if the night of tears had happened for real the elfs would have taken the eye of Magnus somewhere else but in the fourth era the last dragon born found the eye of Magnus in sartal. And there's more it is said that the atmorans were staying on sartal as refugees. So how the hell did they managed to wipe out a race dominant on the land they sought refuge. Here my theory, the story that atmorans and snow elfs coexisted is bullshit. The atmorans certainly had the might to overpower snow elfs and they came to skyrim not as refugees but as invaders and when they were done conquering like all winner they brought up a story that made the snow elfs the cause of the conflict.
That's kind of what I think As Well considering there religion and all the snow elves seem way to unlikely to start a conflict think about it the nedes were the native humans of tamriel and lived in both highrock hammerfell and parts of Skyrim but there are no records of snow elves fighting or enslaving them. I think the reason sarthaal was attacked was because the snow elves learned that the nords had some kind of super weapon that they attacked the settlement out of fear of it being used on them
Ysgramor was escaping Atmora cause of war, he surely didn’t came there bringing the war he was escaping from
@@victorygame7296 did you read my entire comment. Yes history in skyrim states that atmorans were the victims. But who recorded this history ? The Atmorans. History is always writen by the winners and the losers are just either ceased to exist or are powerless to prove otherwise. In my previous comment I stated that the historical account of atmoran and snow elf conflict is questionable since there are much stuff that do not match up with the story. Reality could be much different than the story it could be also possible the dwenmer could be behind the whole war triggering war between atmorans and snow elfs and finished their Civilization under this wars shadow.
@@steakinbacon8593 my personal theory is that the dwenmer or commonly called the dwarfs (which is incorrect) could be the ones directly responsible for the war. They could be the one's responsible for the night of tears and triggered war between falmers and atmorans. And then they could have picked off snow elf establishments and cities one by one weakening them.
@@vigneshkr7072 no, that history's not Atmoran, it's imperial, wich is different, I'd like to remember you that most of the imperials consider the Nords just barbarians without law or civilization, obviusly we now that it's not true but they (the imperials) believe that it's true, so an imperial (which I remember you doesn't believe in history or legends of the Nords) that says that the Nords' history it's true, other than that, even Gelebor (the Snow elf of the Dawnguard dlc) says that most of the snow elves wanted to slay all of the Nords, and that Ysgramor and his familiy were alive 'cause they managed to ecape Sarthaal, and says that most of the snow elves deserved what the Nords did, but not all of them, and then, I say: "This is how the war works, a lot of innocent lives crushed, but, again, that does not mean the Nords were right, instead, it means they were wrong killing ALL of snow elves, but the night of the tears happened, you if even a snow elf said it happened, other than that, if you go to a dwemer ruin with any nord, when you will arrive in the room of the tortures (there is one of them in every dwemer ruin) ALL will say: "Dwemer were a cruel race, not even the Falmer deserved what they done them", Nords don't hate Falmer, they were only angry, and I'll say you more, probably, when Saarthal was attacked, also a lot of snow elves were killed, and a lot of other snow elves probably cried, cause there were also a lot of couples of friends between snow elves and Nords, and again, we don't know who was that or if someone ordered the night of the tears, but it caused anger, the anger causes war, the war causes innocent and culprits lives broken, and lives broken causes
despair, despair causes making desicions without thinking, and bad desision bring you to death, that's exactly what happened, for some stpid snow elf, their entire race died, obviously it's also Nords' fault, but if there weren't any night of tears, then probably we would see a Skyrim where Nords and snow elf live in peace and prosperity, or, at leats, it's how I like to think it, in any way, but, as Gelebor (the snow elf survivor) ther's still a glimmer of hope, don't you think?
Great job mate, but there is a one mistake. Snow elves didn't "become" Falmer, they always were. Falmer is just an Aldmeri expression for a Snow Elf(Fal-Snow, Mer-Elvenkind). Outsiders haven't seen Falmer since the end of Merethic era(The early 1st era actually) after they were defeated by Ysgramor and made a pact with the Dwemer, and in the 4th era, which is the Skyrim's timeline, most of the inhabitants of Skyrim don't know the fact that the Falmer are the same elves that were defeated by Ysgramor. Although it's a common knowledge that Ysgramor and his companions eradicated the elves, not much of their lore was preserved. Since their physical and behavioral change probably developed during the first Era(That's 2.920 years, probably enough for them to become twisted creatures as they are), connection between the terms "Falmer" and the ancient "Snow Elves" was lost in history overtime, so when someone says "Falmer", no ones associates them with the "Snow Elf" anymore, but the creatures they became. That's the reason why the last known unchanged Falmer, Knight-Paladin Gelebor hates that term, and prefers to identify his race in human language, but he also hates calling them Falmer and calls them "Betrayed" instead, which is ironic given to the fact that the Falmer betrayed the alliance with ancient Atmorans(which caused their descendants eternally having issues to trust the other Mer), and then their own elven kind Dwemer betrayed them making of them what they are now(One of the most cruel cases of karma in TES lore xD).
I am loving the deep lore made understandable guys. I don't care if it's a 10 min video or an hr. You guys do a wonderful & thorough job, either way. I never have a favorite, because all 3 of you, Drew, Scott & Michael are equally engaging and talented, yet all different. Loving it. Nice addition to your reputation for builds. Always been brains and brawn. Best mix. I have never yet done the quest where you meet the last of the Snow Elves, so I am super curious about it. It is also fascinating that they appear to be gaining intelligence, though slowly. Perhaps their species is finally adapting to the fungus that is still a staple in their diet and they are becoming immune to the effects over generations. Being free from having been under the yoke of slavery also could contribute to their becoming organized and beginning to thrive. It would be nice if they began to turn around and not be so aggressive immediately, perhaps regaining sight, adapting to life not strictly underground again and maybe allowing for trade and a change to their physical form, as well. Maybe not to their former splendor, what with the changes they have collectively been through, for so long, but maybe to something less hideous and hostile. I love the correlation you've suggested between the Falmer & the Dwemer. It is such a shame that the splendor of both man & mer seems to take such tragic turns, due to greed, lust & desire for power or to seek immortality. Edit: Btw, I am commenting infrequently bcuz my laptop & cell are currently inoperable & I must use my kid's desktop after her bedtime, since school is out & she's on it a lot. In a couple of weeks all should be back to normal when my cell is either fixed or replaced. Can still watch on my TV's YT app, though no chat, comments or share buttons on the app, unfortunately. But, I can watch, at least. :)
So if Ysgramor didn't kill all the Snow Elves we could have another Elf race as an race option. They could have Cold Resist, Magic bonus, Tall to be fast and its power ability to gain Frost Cloak just like Dark Elves can use Flame Cloak.
Yet another great video., how I do love the music of Skyrim. That piece you used in this one is my fav!
Last time I came this early I had my second child
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Drew is my absolute favorite, could listen and watch his videos non stop.
"The Snow Elves started this war under the childish delusion they could sack cities and not face retaliation. In Saarthal, they put that delusional theory to the test. They have sown the wind and now, they shall reap the whirlwind."
It’s *snow* *ice* when y’all upload a video, FudgeMuppet.
I’ll leave now
I would love it if gelebor had given you a quest that involved negotiating with the falmer and trying to help them be restored to their former glory
trash quest there should be quest where you find snow elf survivors and tell gelebor about them and then they make clan of snow elves and then go and kill every single nord they find
Your videos are awesome. Keep it up. Not many of us delve into the books and this really makes playing the game so much better.
Whose to say there's no other snow elves?
and there are. on downguard alone we found 2 that did not went with the dwarven. in fact over half of the snow elves did not go underground. most of those died but a lot of them must have survived and made a new colony on other part of tamriel. I believe that maybe Mara felt pity for them and rescued them by giving them a safe place to regrow their population to safe numbers while blessing the couples so they never have babies with problems.
Fun fact gelibor and his brother virther were not the only snow elves taking refuge in the forgotten vale with them were 100 acolytes they had with them when they returned the chantry the state we see it in now was rather recent one if the acolytes was a vampire and turned virther and emediatly following was a large raid by the falmer. My point is if 100 snow elves could hide from the nords for so long then it's also possible that there are pockets of snow elves hidden in other places like high rock or hammerfell. I've always been interested in snow elves and I think it would be dope if they showed up in ES6 or a dlc for ES6
I can actually see The Rake from The Creepypasta Series sounding like The Falmer and I can see them as being related too.
I love the fact that people in the comments are arguing about who deserves skyrim,that the snow elves shouldn’t have attacked the atmorans,it just makes me like the elder scrolls series even more,that it’s deep enough for people not to agree on some things
Ali Ezz couldn’t agree more. You know the lore of your fantasy universe is good shit when people debate the tiny details and different takes on things like it’s real world history.
Isn't it awesome? I love debating in game politics, at least it's a lot safer than real world politics LOL All of the enjoyment none of the risk.
Absolutely true, and it is why The Elder Scrolls has some of the best fantastic history that I'm aware of. So much of fantasy is obvious good versus obvious evil, and there is still a healthy amount of that in TES where the immortals are concerned, but even more of their history is just mortals doing things to mortals for many of the same reasons that groups of people on our planet do things to eachother. That makes many of the usual fantasy tropes regarding relations between fantasy races seem so petty, and it lends serious consideration to how we interact with the game world.
Truly! And my two cents on this is: Ysgramor and the 500's retaliation against the snow elves is justified but not the genocide.. Pretty sure that not all Snow Elves took part on the Night of Tears anyway so they should have spared those innocents..
its not really hard just put heavily veiled Conservative and Liberal ideals in conflict as it essentially becomes good vs evil just depending on your own political views creating conflict just like it does in real life ez win. In this case supporters of Nords are likely more Conservative and supporters of snow elves are more likely liberals. This comes from the conflict being really about whether a conquer owns a land after conquering and living in that region for generations owns said land and whether those future generations owe anything to the previous occupants even if that generation did not partake in conquering the land only their ancestors. In this case Conversatives especially in America would be supportive of the Nords as this conflict is represented in the history of America while Liberals whom are more supportive of freedom of movement and little focus on individual nation states especially assigning a race to a state while not suggesting Nords should leave Skyrim would be more supportive of the Snow Elves situation. This is well represented in modern day where colonial states such as America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand whom all have close relations which the previous inhabitants whether which attempts in many to make amends or give benefits to the effected race although there is still conflict between liberals and conservatives about varying issues including eg. in Australia historical view and whether "Australia Day" should be on the date Captain cook since it represents the start of many massacres against the Aboriginal people including loss of land in which this debate Conservatives hold the event close to their cultural identity and history arguing it is not related to the event of Aboriginal deaths but to the formation of Australia while liberals are in general (i should have added this more but everything here in terms of peoples views are "in general") more supportive of the Aboriginal people in having the date changed to the date of the confederation of Australia. So in this case Conservatives would relate to the Nords and thus be more supportive of them. Although saying that colonial powers where not the only ones to force out another population and this is done many times through out history but usually either the expelled population for various reasons don't have as strong a claim to land as colonial people have potential because they can be proven to be the original population of a land that has never changed hands.
This was just a fun paragraph for me thinking about this lore event and its relation to real life events while i believe what i have written is true that being said i don't really care that much about anything i wrote. now if i could write something this long for the essay i am supposed to be doing right now but procrastinating also this is the same idea the devs used in the stormcloak vs imperials
I thought I remembered reading in the lore that initially it was peaceful between the nords and the snow elves, but eventually the nords decided they wanted the land and started warring with the snow elves. Sometime during the war, the nords found the Eye of Magnus. Then the Night of Tears is a bit of speculation, nords won so they get to leave behind the story. Gelebor seems to hint that it wasn't so peaceful, but it's not like the whole race of snow elves called for the extinction of the nords. Either way, they massacred the nord settlement. Some would say then the wiping out of the snow elves was their fault because of such slaughter. I don't completely blame the nords for wanting retribution, but they also went too far in slaughtering all snow elves instead of just those responsible for the attack. Considering that Skyrim was snow elves' home, I don't think all snow elves could be responsible for the attack on Saarthal. So nords killing snow elves indiscriminately is no better than the snow elves having killed a whole nord settlement. So I do feel bad for the falmer. That's kind of how war goes. Lots of innocents caught in the middle.
Very true, we don't have the full story, and people don't seem to understand that the Nords wrote everything down, and so we'll never know the truth on a larger scale
snow elves should've kill absolutely every single nords
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I wonder if anyone plays as an elf and just make them white (is that even possible?) and role play as a snow elf posing as an elf?
Ali Ezz well yeah,given that mods can't work for me i make a dark elf as pale as possible,get a warpaint that covers most of the face and make it very white and you kinda get a snow elf
Snow elf modddds
@@labaccident2010 yeah,too bad i am bad with mods
the falmiri keeper of knowlegde are you using a console, or is there another reason you can’t use mods?
My first play through, I was playing on 360 so I made a wood elf as pale as possible.
@@labaccident2010 no,i use a pc but,last time i used a mod it destroyed my game,i had to delete it and reinstall it then begin from the start...that's why i no longer take risks with mods
These lore videos are great. Keep up the awesome work guys
The Falmer look like anime characters tbh and so do the wood elves
CaldTheLad_SLG NANI?!?
Fergus Shaw OMAOWA MO SHINDERI
"You might think twice when you see them" nah I'm still gonna set em on fire
First the Nords and then the Dwemer, the Falmer always had issues.
They brought the onslaught on themsELVES.
I feel the same type of pity towards the Falmer, I feel towards Smeagol/Gollum.
You know what they say, an eye for an eye and everyone goes blind.
Nice work guys!
Sad.. 😢.. and tragic.
I love the lore videos man. keep them up.
"This was no genocide." - *checks notes* - the fuck?
I wanna know how the Snow Elves dealt with Dragons.
Why is there no ancient Falmer architecture in Skyrim? Is it because the Nords destroyed it all or just that Bethesda chose/forgot/didn’t think to put it in?
Vaunomax maybe buried under the stone? Used to build other stuff maybe? It seems more like bethesda forgot to add it
The latter, with the former shoehorned in by Dawnguard.
Take a look at Windhelm, it was build by the elven slave (probably the snow elf).
Well check the forgotten vale it has what's left of their work
Me when hearing that the Dwemer took in the snow elves:
“Heyyy! That’s so awesome of them!”
*Literally less than 5 minutes later*
Oh…
Doesen't dwemer machinery work on soul gems? Perhaps one of the reasons they wanted a slave race was for readily available soul gem materials, and for some reason needed to devolve them because black soul gems are...idk...tied to the soul cairn or something?
yeah, but why involve a sentient species? that kind of creatures have more powerfull souls, it´s contraproductive if that´s the case.
"Chitin" is pronounced "Ky-tin".
*Why does no one ever mention that BASIC EVOLUTION would turn them into what they are now?*
Being blinded and stuck underground for hundreds (or more) years, plus likely whatever we don't know about Elven physiology, would make them this way.
+Mike, from Texas
That's not how evolution works, especially not within a few thousand years, plus it's already established in the lore.
Logically a blind demented version would not be naturally selected for...
MrWheelman82 It's more like the poison was a mutagen, or it damaged the very soul of the elves to blind, and subjugate them. However why they were blinded is anybody's guess.
I only discovered the pronunciation from cellular biology
@@poseidon8466 maiq told me that the dwemer arnt to blame for their appearance in my game
The style of your lore videos is always appreciated.
I do wonder as to where the “servants” of Blackreach came from. Can the Falmer operate the lifts or are there other, larger openings to the surface world as the presence of the giant might indicate? The servants do not speak, so it stands to reason they were taken at a young age or have lived with the Falmer their whole lives. Their protective defense of the Falmer is also very interesting. I would love it if you guys would explore this topic more, also the magic used to resurrect the dragons. It seems entirely different from other conjugation/necromantic magic encountered in Skyrim. Thanks for all the hard work!
I’d love to see the snow elves come back in some way in any future games, I’d be stoked it I could play as one as unlikely as it is 😭
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I will change my fellow falmer with the power of Auri el. We the Snowelves shall return either in ES6 or ESO online
Wonderful video, loved it!!! Cheers
Skyrim is such an amazing game, its so big with such a huge story
Falmer got an upgrade cured of their Elfness
I genuinely feel bad for the falmer they didn't deserve this
True. I get they attacked saarthal and that's what made Ysgramor do what he did but still
@@Savini.Jason_vh-rjh I actually hate fighting them because of how bad I feel for doing it. As for the Forsworn ....I don't like either side the silverbloods suck and so do the forsworn
@@VampireQueen696 true. the nords and "reachmen" r not the original natives of the reach. it's technically dwemer and snow elves that were in Skyrim before men were
>Satanist pfp
>"The weak didnt deserve to be punished by the strong"
You aren't evil, you are just degenerate, and only the Good tolerate the degenerate.
So like, hear me out, could the snow elves be kind of saved if the last elf dude in the forgotten veil mated with another elf? Whichever elf most closely resembles a snow elf? Like that one dude has the power to rekindle a whole species more or less
GreyBearGMN
I still find it insane that their culture was so significantly wiped out. Handfuls of the species should have survived and maybe resettled in another region of Tamriel. Completely wiping out a species should be incredibly difficult, but The Elder Scrolls runs through them like mentos.
Spartan Delta 27 I'm also surprised how we don't see more snow elf architecture in the world. Even some lost ruins in the mountains since they were 'snow' elfs (besides the one dawngaurd area)
GreyBearGMN
That is a really good point. The Atmorans likely leveled more than a few Falmer settlements during their attempts to colonize Skyrim, but still at least a few should have survived in Skyrim proper. Odd.
He might be able to save them just depends on how they do it. Maybe Gelebor could ascend to god hood and restore his race to their former glory. Maybe Auriel can restore them, they could come back through a dragon break. Maybe they could find other isolated Snow Elves and repopulate. I think it would be cool if they came back, they could have a unique culture. One part of their culture could be old Snow elf ways with the white armor, while other would rather have the tribal culture with black chaurus armor. It could really show the polarization in their society
GreyBearGMN No, a hybrid takes the appearance of the mother.
Anyone one else get a distinct Yuuzahn Vong vibe from the Falmer's corrupted appearance?
Same here. They really look alike in every way, except the Falmer are shorter.
Personally, I don't trust Ysgrammor's account of what happened on the Night of Tears - considering he thought genocide was the appropriate response and stood to gain so much from it. The Snow Elves were distinctly un-war-like and it's unlikely that a culture that creates teleportation portals would have a huge problem digging up the most important magical and religious artifact of all time.
No matter how I try and see it, at BEST the Atmorans were being very rude and at worst, Nord culture is based entirely on a lie. Granted, I don't think Bethesda will ever have the balls to go full "Nords = non-Native American settlers," but it does at least make silly fake history about elves more interesting.
Agree, snow elf's lore always bothered me since I found about them. Take a look at the account of the battles of Moespring, I think it was Nord propaganda at its finest. I mean, the snow prince are seemingly unstopable at begining, but suddenly a 12 years old child pulls 'to end him rightly' by throwing a sword at the prince?!
What a 12 years old child doing at the middle of war? How the hell she even go to the battle field in the first place?
That's what the atmorans were like your a warrior from the day your able to hold a sword plus I think the prince killed her dad/mother whatever
Interesting thoughts.
I may be wrong here but ysgrammor ended up in sovngarde, he must've done something right to end up in what is basically Nord heaven. And the snow elves we meet in skyrim are basically priests, they will be a lot tamer than say a person who sees nords as invaders. All races have their black sheep, just like the gods that created the mortals, they vary in their views quite a lot.
@First Name Last Name he's literally Prometheus.
The Dwemer and man didn't like the Snow Elves. That probably tells us something.
You had a video where you show evidence of wispmothers being related to white elves, but I can't finf it anymore.
Man i really like the snow elves, maybe we can see more of then in secret communities or something
Every time he says falmer i hear thalmor, and then i craft theories on how the thalmor worked with the dwemer to corrupt the snow eoves
Thalmor was a civil administration back then 🤦🏻♂️
Thalmor didnt even exist back then
@@lightyagami8645 maybe thats just what the government wants you to think
You can blame Ysgramor on that
Give us a Falmer/Snow Elf Build. Go for a battlemage that uses ice spells
Thank you for the new idea 😁
I'd like to see the snow elves return in tes 6 a more peaceful druidic elven race that coexist and farm the skittering creatures of tamriel, kinda like the dunmer on steroids
Why didn't the Snow Elves just migrate south to Cyrodiil and seek refuge with the Aylieds? Were they incapable of surviving the sweltering heat that was Cyrodiil's mediterranean climate? Are they like Mr. Freeze in that respect? Is it the equivalent of being in a hot oven for them? Well, Nords are in all pronvinces of Tamriel (though they are prominent in Skyrim), and THEY aren't cooked alive!
Though nords arent perfect in cold and They can freeze to death if They are dressed poorly that is not the with snow elves
Acerthorn Because the Dweemer were the closest one.
hah, no, not really! My Nord character walks around in nothing but minimal chainmail, and she's not even caught a cold yet. I wish I was that cold resistant in real life, lol
The aylieds where dealing with a human revolt. Infact some aylieds went to skyrim and where slaghtered. So i dout the snow elfs. That did retreat to cyridol would not live for long i think.
Aldous Boal No, the human uprising in Cyrodiil lead by St. Alessia began in 1E 242. The war between the Nords and the Snow Elves happened in the late Merethic Era.
Well the snow elves said he might be last of his kind, or he said there might me a small band of snow elves hiding somewhere! And those elves are one that escaped before they could turn to the falmer!
Dude finally one youtuber who talks about skyrim lore like a normal person instead wanting it to sound like shakespeare
The night of tears sound interestingly close to the night of the long knives.
To quote Denzel from Training Day, "Fuck em and everybody who looks like em."
I love how you slaughter a falmer city in the dawnguard dlc
The real “civil war” of Skyrim, and of a game was set during that time I would undoubtedly fight against the nords once again - they really haven’t changed much.
I really want the snow elf and the dwemer to return to the eso they are so freakin interesting to me
4:24 Don’t forget our good buddy Azihdal.
Rest in piece Chimer, Lorkhan and Snow Elves.
perhaps another topic for discussion - why are there no snow elf ruins in skyrim
That's actually a great fucking question.
You never know in the next elder scrolls we may get more lore on them in the form of a book. Potentially about how word of the dragon borns exploits let them come put of hiding. They may even lead a crusade to wipe out the falmer blood line to restore their honour.
Listening to this while playing as a snow elf.
The Ancient Falmer Armor in the Dawnguard DLC looks so fuckin badass it's not even funny.