F-0594 Convair F-102 Delta Dagger Video
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You know a film is "old" when operational C-47's and B-36's are seen!! Love this 1950's aviation stuff!
The 50s were an interesting time in military aviation. Trans and supersonic aircraft serving along side WWII era piston aircraft.
Back around 1961 in Sioux Falls, the ANG switched from F-89s to 102s. All of a sudden, hearing sonic booms in town became common. The airbase was Joe Foss Field, right at the edge of town. Dad was thinking about building a home fallout shelter. At school we had civil defense drills. And the local tv station signed off at night with a video of Air Force jets to the "Air Force Blue" song.
Were you able to have a healthy snack, good nights sleep and sneak a little vanilla Icecream before your Wheaties?
I was assigned to the 482nd FIS at SMJ AFB. WE HAD 57s, one 56, and two TF 102s. I was an MG-10 Automatic Weapons Control Systems maintenance guy.
Lucky man... When I went into the USAF in 1987, several 102s gate guardians were around even a TF... I remember thinking about those men in the USAF in the 50's and 60's... must have been great compared to modern day operations. The F-102 is my favorite US jet...
Thank you for your service!🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
Crazy to think that the phones we all use now have orders of magnitude more computational power than the analog computers shown around 15 minutes.
When I was in elementary school we lived in Goose Bay Labrador where F-102s were based. We could hear them going supersonic quite regularly, and I thought it was great. Always loved that airplane!
Love the Century Delta's !!! The F-106 was more of what Convair had in mind for a great bomber interceptor but both aircraft had long and successful careers for the Air Force and ANG units. The F-102 flew for many years in the Greek and Turkish Air Forces also. great video ! Semper Fi
At 9:41 you see a B-36 rolling down the runway behind the fighter.
I wish I could have been there. Damn cool.
Yup...was that a 36 at 9:31 also? Wayyy cool with the outboard jet "helpers"!
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My dad was a Chief on those at Fairchild, they really shooked the house when they flew over. 1956
Thank you for posting this. My dad worked for G.D. Convair up in Palmdale on the F-102 and F-106 programs. He installed the Hughes radar and fire control systems.
I love these old films. Please post more!
Classic Century Series...one of the great ones...
May 12, 2019----This was Dads favorite airplane. He was with Pattons army during WW 2 and there when Dachau was discovered/liberated. Only thing he ever said about it was you couldn't believe the smell. Grandpa was also in the Army/Europe doing the unthankful job of grave registration. After the war ended, Grandpa went back home, then to Cheyenne, Wyoming. Dad then did some Germany occupation time , then off to Korea for that bit of "conflict". When his Army time was up, he joined the Air Force to become a jet engine mechanic, learning to work on T-33's at Amarillo AFB, Texas. Funny thing...I was a truck driver and driving all over the U.S. Had some time on my hands and found there was an aircraft museum at that airport. No museum, as it had closed, but got some photos of the hangers now longer being used. Sent them to Dad and that's when he told me that's where he got his training. He got stationed at March AFB, where he met/married Mom while working on F-86D's, an aircraft he hated because everything was so tight fitting in the fuselage. Then he got trained to work on F-102's, becoming a crew chief on the Deuce. Then we (4 kids at the time) got shipped to Bitburg AFB, Germany in the late 50's. We were with the 525th FIS and he and another guy were the only ones qualified to work on the Deuces which I think came from Greenland or maybe Alaska as they had the bright orange paint on the wings. So they were busy training everyone to work on the planes. Some planes had shorts in the wiring in the weapons bay....as in you'd be standing next to the bay and it would suddenly snap open on its on! He had gotten a beer stein from the NCO club while we were stationed there. Had his name, rank, base name, a metal F-102 on the lid and when stein was held to the light, there was a VERY scantily lady to be seen. Sister got that as she was born at Bitburg before he died. (2019, at age of 91)From there, we went to Homestead AFB, Florida where he became line chief working on/with others on F-100D's & F's. This was during the Cold War, so he was gone TDY (temporary duty assignment) for 90 days at a whack, then come home for 30, then back on another TDY. Always Torejon, Spain and a base in Turkey. He retired as a MSgt. (E-7) after 20 years and collected his Air Force retirement pay for just over 50 years. He moved from Calif. to Homestead with his new wife in the mid 70's. As for me, made him 3, 1/48th Monogram models: 2 F-100's & a F-102A. The F-100's were in natural metal and Vietnam camo schemes, while the Deuce was over all grey. In the squadron markings he had been stationed with of course. He put my models and all his electronic stuff (tv's, etc.) the far bedroom when Hurricane Andrew came thru. the ONLY window to get broken was that bedroom window, so my models got trashed, along with all of his other stuff. RIP Dad.
Our nation's air force was built on the backs of airmen like your father.
Great story, because this time was lived by people like your dad. Keeping the world safe during the Cold War
Great archival footage of a fascinating weapons system! Many thanks for posting.
This video makes me want to build an F102 model, the fading on the Hi-Viz orange paint looks like it would be fun to paint.
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My fav US jet... I have several paper slingshot models and building a balsa & tissue one... (to poor / stupid for RCs..)
There’s an f102 delta dagger mounted on a stand in my hometown in Newfoundland Canada . My hometown was an old us Air Force base . They shut the base down in 1963 I believe .
I never knew about the JATO spin-recovery idea!
Excellent video, thanks very much for uploading!
Awesome upload! Can't get enough of these old films on the Century Series planes.
there's 2 of us !
My Dad escorted many a Bear from Alaskan airspace in the F-102 ( Genie to boot)
Caps Pik Now they are escorting them with F-22's. I just saw a pic posted yesterday.
@@motorcop505 So, Su-35 escorting B-52 - the same age as the Bear.
@@yasenkrasen1581 It definitely is, but it sure doesn't look like it Lmao
@@activeregent8889 Try to justify.
The delta wing was cool. Spin recovery was probably eject. Everyone figured out there was no such thing a supersonic dogfight.
10:15 Here's an interesting shot. First, the DC3, an airliner from the '30's. Cruise speed: 200 mph. Pan over to the F102, a single seat fighter from the '50's, which is the same length and has the same gross weight as the DC3 and is supersonic.
thanks for this! it completely answered my questions about the missile detaching and firing systems, along with the mach speed ejection seat questions i've been trying to have answered for a while. great upload!
I love the 102... and it's trainer version, looks llike something Flash Gordon would fly around with...
Applying "area rule" recontouring of the wing to fuselage interface allowed it to push past the sound barrier and resulted ultimatley into the F-106. NACA is credited in solving the air compression problem at this interface area. Decompression was acheived by bleeding off the air with a "coke bottle" reshaping of the fuselage.
I think a guy called Dick Whitcombe came up with the idea of treating the shape of the aircraft as a whole rather than as a series of obstructions to wind flow. He realised that the fuselage/wing junction presented a much larger profile to wind flow than the sum of the two as individuals. Hence the "coke bottle" shape. He revolutionised transonic and supersonic flight as a result, which would have been enough of an achievement for most people, but that wasn't enough for him. He went on to invent and develop other very important pieces of airplanes, such as the winglet, which reduces fuel consumption - a vital factor for today's airliners. His version, though, deployed and retracted automatically for maximum efficiency instead of being fixed as in most modern types. Leading edge devices for STOL planes was another of his contributions - there are more, but I can't recall them offhand. I'm not even 100% certain I have his name right, but I am sure that you're correct insofar as his employer is concerned. NACA had the absolute cream of the aeronautical community to choose from, and it only ever chose the very best of the very best. Sadly, those days are gone. But there must still be brilliant brains out there who are equally as capable as mr. Whitcombe. It's just a shame that they're no longer employed by such companies or organisations as NASA or Lockheed-Martin - or even, obviously, Boeing. I wonder where they DO work?
Tom Foyle Lucas films. Project engineers for Star Wars
Pretty sure the 102 was one of my father's projects...he was a Convair engineer for over 30 years.
Love these videos
It is really a very interestinmg video.
Congratulations and thanks for uploading
Full information might have included the design concept with the XF-92.
As far as the F-106 being a "modified" F-102, there are only superficial similarities. The air intakes on the 102 are vertical and forward of the cockpit while on the 106 they are angled and are about 6 feet behind the cockpit. Of course the rudder is a big giveaway with the 102 having a full triangular fin, pointed at the top, while the 106's was flat at the top. There are many other differences but those are the best identifying points.
Engine Exhaust is also quick identification point. The 2 cones on the side of the engine can.
If I understand your question, I pretty sure the cowl edges of the air intakes and the ducts thenselves were made of aluminum as was most of the fusalage.
This jet was in development hell for a while. The F106 ended up being the best results of the program. Best interceptor e er made
Pure gold.
The smaller vertical stabilizer on the early production 102s is very noticable.
I find these videos fascinating
In the late 60s and early 70s, we would routinely see the F-102s of the CaANG 163FIG flying out of Ontario Airport. I went to a JC nearby and my route took me around the airport perimeter. If there was any 102 activity, I would be late to school or late for dinner =)
They transitioned to O-2s around 76...not as exciting, but the "Mixmasters" would often practice low altitude flying in the hills near our home in Chino Hills.
The spin footage was interesting.
I was a weapons mechanic on F-102s in 1967 /68 Naha AFB Okinawa 82nd FIS We called them Deuces. I liked working on the 102s because the weapons system was simple and only had a few variations in the standard load. Six missiles and 12 rockets.
We only used 12 rockets, six loaded in tandom in three tubes on each side. ADC was so much better than TAC.
The orange paint was intended for the identification of downed aircraft in polar regions.
MrShobar So why is the orange paint mostly on the underside?
Life must have been sweet for those talented people who got to work at Convair, in the 1950s, in the weather paradise of San Diego. And for a great cause--the national defense.
Superbe avion...magnifique ! 👍👏
It does! Backside of the story is, that his dads friends in high places got him a seat in one of these. That way, they made sure he'd never go to Vietnam...And btw, I think he flew the "F-102 version 2" = F-106
Dick was a very nice guy. I was lucky enough toget to meet him at Addison Airport in 1996-97 timeframe. Very humble and self-effacing. He's the only test pilot who can say he flew the first flight of two different century series fighters. (F-102/106)
Thanks for this 👍
I managed to add the F102 to my seen collection last year at the Dutch armed forces museum, unexpected!
I see a lot of negative comments about Pres. GW Bush and his piloting of these aircraft. Most people who like to judge others, and at least in this case, probably couldn't fly a kite.
machia0705 I don't want to get into politics, but I would like people to note that for George W to make it through pilot training and be allowed to pilot a supersonic interceptor aircraft he must have had something going for him mentally. No matter who your father is the Air Force won't let a moron fly an F-102 Delta Dagger. Bush was deficient in his ability to communicate in an articulate fashion didn't mean he was stupid as 2/3rds of Americans think he was. I've got friends who piloted F4 Phantoms, B-52's and P3 Orions. These guys all have engineering degrees and are really squared away. The USAF and USN are pretty picky about who they let fly their $20 Million Dollar Aircraft no matter who they are related to. (John Kerry probably couldn't fly a Piper Cub)✈✈✈
+randy109 Perhaps Bush was one of these "book smart but could not fix a wheelbarrow" types. I have seen these guys do great in school but when it comes to making money with what they know they just fall apart. This explains how when it came to moving from training to combat deployment Bush went looking for the door.
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moron. "i don't want to get into politics", Yes...but somehow you reek of it.
Bush, Like many Vietnam-Era well-Connected Rich kid frat-boys were able to gain access to serve in National Guard and (more Rare) Air National Guard divisions. There are No Records of his service, Though He was alleged to have been a Pilot Flying F-106 NOT F-102. John Kerry Volunteered For Vietnam in the US NAVY as a Boat commander.
In the book Rupert Red Two the author said the Dart and Dagger canopy would not come off during ejection. It killed some guys. But it's the best interceptor of the Century fighters
The color quality of this film seems quite good, despite its age. It must have been Kodachrome.
The old shorts are a hoot! Post more! I really dig at 15.25 the explanation of the use of Analog Computers to crunch all the test data from F-102 /F-106 flights . Makes me think of the cool old idea of the FLOWDAC , patent 3190554, a digital computer that used compressed air to do computation . A computing solution that never found it's way into solving a design problem. TO INFINITY AND BEYOUND ! Patent 672245, 3013505 Seems the 102 could fire quite a missile . Was a test ever attempted to fire it into low earth orbit ?
The Delta Dagger/Dart had a canopy ejection problem. In the book Rupert Red Two. He talks about pilots dying from it
That may have been what ultimately killed an ANG F-102 pilot my mother use to work with. He was involved in a mid-air collision over the pacific. Found the other guy but not him.
We still have an F-102 on display at Ellington Field... bearing the name of 1LT George W. Bush! Of course, the F-106 Delta Dart was the leaner, meaner replacement for the 102 and went on to serve for nearly a quarter century as the backbone of the continental air defense. Good work by Convair in the pre-transistor era.
Wow...60 years ago. Time seems to go faster & faster...just like Planes now that I think about it :/
You have the official names backwards. The F-102 is the Delta Dagger. Frankly, seeing as the F-106 is only mentioned and never shown in this video, I would revise the title to not include F-106 in deference to those viewers looking for stuff on the Dart and being disappointed, like me.
How could you see out the front of the cockpit ?
Underrated plane,like the F-101. The F-106 was good,but the ejection seat would damage your back
I'm pretty sure all ejection seats caise back damage over time, hence why most pilots are no longer able to fly after 2-3 ejections.
im not sure what is cooler the plane or the computer they used to build it.
This was Lt. George "Scooter" Bush's plane.
F102 Delta Dagger couldn't acheive Mach 1 do to lack of an " area rule" fuselage . This fighter interceptor was a disapointment overall , unlike the F106 Delta Dart , the " Six " was brilliant !!!
Yes on very early models, but fuselage redesigned after which speed was good for mach 1.2 though the Six could hit confirmed mach 2.3!
@@geauxtigersdjs the Six was a badass Interceptor , it came into service in late 1959 and was retired by the ANG in 1988 , not too shabby !! 👍
False.
The *YF-102* could not reach Mach 1. The YF-102A incorporated the area rule fuselage which enabled it to exceed Mach 1.
The mighty f 102 delta 🦆 duck, worst plane of the century series fighters, but low and behold, the guideline to the best of the century series fighters, the all-mighty f 106 delta dart ❗
The F-102 was the most "delta" of all deltas! Look at that tail. I notice that some of those rocket salvos had some pretty bad "stragglers", small groups of rockets that went off at an angle to the others. Also thought it was odd, at about 2:40, the says the flash heads go off at "about 1,500ft, the tactical range of the rocket". Those flashes look really close; they were really supposed to get that close before firing them?
The XF92 was even more triangular in its profile. It's vertical stabilizer was nearly as big as the wing.
F102-F106 I used to guard them. Osan & Duluth.
Wow. Non-nuclear, air to air rockets. I forgot that was a thing.
Chief test pilot,Dick Johnson.
Sounds like Peter Graves doing the narration.
Mirage 3 and saab draken are smaller but faster ..max speed mach 2..
they don't have the range ans radar...
👍nice!
14:07 Those are obviously different versions, any details? Different rudders and fuselage heights
The film mentions the F-102A and the TF-102A which was a two seat trainer version.
Fifty State the f102 was redesigned several times early on to allow for area ruling of the fuselage. also it got three different sets of wings and tails.
F- 102 avionics tech USAF 57th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Keflavik NAS, Iceland 66-67, NATO, busy times🇺🇸🗽
I don't think there is a single 102 left in flying condition.
Consolidated ~ Vultee Aircraft corporations. Downy California.
Buzz fix and big tail conversion models included. Just for history it would be nice to see one in authentic jungle camo paint sceme.
It mainly just needed a more powerful jet. Put an F-16 engine in one I’ll bet it would surprise.
Early short tail F-102A's, denoting the Pre-1959 period!
George W. Bush flew one of these..say what you will about the man, that takes some talent. My hat's off to him for his piloting skill, at least.
Yeah, I always mention Bush's piloting the F-102 Delta Dagger jet fighter when I hear how supposedly "dumb" he was/is.
@Conor Hanley except Bush wanted to sign on to go to Vietnam. He was not allowed due to lack of experience.
God I love delta winged planes...though I don't know if id want to land one without canards up front
I guess that Convair could have designated the F106 as the F102 B,C,D,E,F,etc. They decided to call it a whole new airplane instead.
Looking at the two airplanes side by side they are pretty different. Especially the fuselage shape, engine intake location and tail fin shape.
I hope War Thunder adds this someday
It is a huge airplane 16:56
I guess the Sidewinders and Sparrows destined for VietNam did not get the benefit of this "all environment testing". Perhaps the manufacture of the units I mentioned thought it was a waste of time since everything was looking so good with other models (turn your sarcasm detector on).
+Dan R High humidity confused the sparrows radar and sidewinders were unable to lock on at low altitudes. Pilots had to fly lower to get a lock as the heat seeker was confused by background temperature. :-)
+Dan R Here's what I find interesting: 20 years later the Aircraft had all been converted to MQM-102 and we {6585 Test Group Det-22} were shooting them down with AIM-9 M's.
I don't think the Sparrows or Sidewinders fit in the bay of the F102 (or F106 for that matter). Until the mid-60s, Sparrow and Sidewinder were Navy programs, USAF was still married to the Falcon.
Anyone know the name of the narrator? It sounds a bit like Peter Graves.
Robert Brandywine Yeah it does, huh!
+RevToddBodysnachr It could be! At this time, Graves was in the early part of his career in Hollywood, in movies, before he broke big on TV with "Mission: Impossible." I could definitely see that happening!
Now I'm picturing him in Airplane: "Ever been in a Turkish prison?"
Have you ever........................... ?? Oh, nevermind !!!
We have clearance, Clarence. What's our vector, Victor?
At 14:20 look how compact that advanced technology is. WOW. Now that plus millions more kilobytes fit in a 2mm thick by 1cm by 2cm chip holds 2TB. Insane. 2TB during the vacuum tube days would take up a skyscraper to hold everything. Lol. If you showed someone that back in the day and explained it to them they wouldn't be able to comprehend it let alone believe you. Lol
France had no issue with delta wing jets and theyre still very succesful planes for bational défense.
I wonder why it didnt work in the USA?
Be careful! 'Periscope Films' will try and get you shut down on RUclips, as they did similar channels with material like this.
Dick Johnson? Seriously?
ALgorithm.
I want to look straight in front of me, but I keep hitting my head on the glass.
Not the greatest fighter but interesting information on ordinance.
Seems like in the 50's & 60's the Air Force coul not make up there mind what they wanted.
Convair: lol
looks like a mirage, flies like a brick
Bullcrap... this was the best bomber interceptor of the 50's...
The guy reading script must have been featured in all AF propaganda filmage.
Too bad the handful of times those unguided rockets were fired at live targets they barely did anything. Except demolish stuff on the ground.
HUM is really annoying! Use a notch filter on it.
Known as the Dirt Dart. Of 859 built, 259 crashed, killing 70 pilots. Withdrawn from Vietnam because the Air Force couldn't find a role for it. The plane had a 0-3 record in air to air combat. Two Greek F-5s shot down two Turkish F-102's in 1974. A PVAF MIG -21 shot down a F-102 when it snuck up on two F-102s. No rearview from cockpit, forward view blocked by instrument panel and metal post middle of windshield. An all around dog.
Not a dog. It was designed as a bomber interceptor. The fact it was not favorable in dogfighting is not a flaw. It could not grade gravel roads well either. Another function it wasn't designed to perform. The F-106 had the same windshield design which was more than adequate for sighting a 100ft wingspan intercontinental bomber. Both served well for years. In the end the F-102 was a positive step forward in high speed jet technology.
p.s. 259 loss is a 30% loss rate, in an era where most fighters probably suffered a 25% loss rate. The USAF had literally thousands of planes. The USN in the late fifties was crashing 5-6 planes a day. The USAF was probably much higher. It was a different era, with less emphasis on standard procedures, rapidly changing technology etc. Next, 70 pilots lost is 27% rate, again, probably typical for the era's limited capability ejection seats.
It was not built as fighter it was a interceptor built to intercept incoming bombers I was a communication and navigation specialist on bough the 102 and 106 at McCord AF base in Washington State