And had to pay me an absurd amount of money just to get rid of me.... Why is college football like this. The head coach "buyouts" are literally insane. I don't understand the logic behind it.
Well maybe this will start a buyout clause for performance... MN should resign if we go 1-12 even 3-12 .. just step down sir don't embarrass this program any more please
Gator here: Brian, we are not THAT much better. Our 2 wins are against Samford and a terrible Miss State team. Against two Teams with a pulse, we were cushed. FSU has alot of talent. My opinion - All on Coaching. They are still playing a TE that has more drops than catches which of one led to a crushing interception against SMU. Like UF, Coaching has to get better when you have talent.
@@alienfreakazoid7193 Miami should have never been in the position it was Friday night, I’m not sold on Mario to be honest. Cost his team a game last year and got the best qb they have had in forever and almost lost to VT. This is Miami best chance at making playoff and competing for NC. Let’s see how he he doesn’t the entire season before putting tons of confidence in him. More confident in the QB than Mario.
Clemson fan here. DJU is a great kid, I was pulling for him this year. I was hoping the game would slow down for him. But it just hasn't. I do expect FSU to play us with grit and fire. Us & Florida are the only games left on their schedule that matters. FSU has a talented roster, so their a dangerous team. I just hope they don't put it together against us. Best of luck, the remainder of your season. GO TIGERS
FSU will never be the dynasty it once was. Recruiting isn’t there. We hit the lottery in the portal and had two winning seasons. I’ve given up on it ever being a consistent winner.
It’s beyond talent now, the confidence with FSU right now is completely in the tank so the game will not be close at all. The only thing FSU can hope for is to be competitive and maybe beat Florida but that’s a huge hope.
Sorry but as a life long Gator I should offer a slightly different take on UF vs fsu. If Florida goes in 0 -12 beating fsu to become 1-12 MAKES IT A WINNING SEASON. Granted 12-1 is a lot better winning season.
Dude I'm a Buckeye fan living in BAMA (That can be rough LOL !!!!! ) .I stumbled across your channel YOU ARE HILARIOUS.NO DOUBT IT IS SAD WHAT HAS BECOME OF THE FSU PROGRAM.HOPE YOU GUYS TURN IT AROUND. Got hosed out of the playoffs last season. GOOD LUCK !!!!
GUY'S things will turn around We really need to give coach more time As a matter of fact we need to extend him now again I promise we'll be able to compete with our Daddys from Down south. IT may look bleak but we need to support coach he's going to take us to the promise land
@DaveWilliams-if7dq Jordan Travis went through the tough times, it made him who he is. Now Luke will go through the tough times and he's a baller. "Tough times make hard men"
Thank you for your podcast and honest take, Brian. Buckeye fan here. I have a lot of respect for the FSU program but do not know them well. As an outsider, I think the DL surprises me the most. It has the talent to be one of the best but is just getting blown back in the run game. Really weird. I wonder what is going on there.
A lot of FSU fans underestimated the true value of Jordan Travis, Norvell is 3-13 without JT. I told Noles fans friend of mine they were going to be 8-4 and they told me i was crazy, well, i was wrong but because I gave them too much credit. When you finish 13-1 and still finish recruiting outside the top 10, is a recipe for disaster.
FSU is embarrassing bc Norvell isn’t good at talent evaluation and worse at recruiting. Kiffin had the same issue and has been at bigger programs. Watch the Bama UGA tOSU games and it’s freshmen everywhere helping them win. Norvell has been smoke & mirrors. He screwed FSU big time.
You said this year will be 4 out of 5 losing seasons for norvell. That is wrong. We went 10-3 and then 13-1 the last 2 years. So it's 3 of 5 losing seasons.
Long time FSU fan started in 1977. Last year right after the selection show I commented the aftermath of how it was handled by FSU would hurt going into next season. Coach, in my opinion, led the charge of, right or wrong, with the crying showing the players if things don't go your way throw a fit and quit. Great opp to play Georgia and show the world we belonged, that is def what Georgia set out to do. The AP poll and Coaches poll do not have to vote the playoff winner as NC and beat Georgia one of them may have given us their NC. A lot of the voters of those two polls had mentioned FSU should have been in the playoff so they were already on our side until the actions by the coaching staff and team and university. The excuse of "the bowl game means nothing why play" I know most of those are NFL draft opp but my question is why finish this season, not going to the playoff this year so why risk injury and all the other reasons, the games mean nothing now if playoff is the only goal. This is only my opinion def not thinking everyone or anyone would agree with me and not looking for either just an opinion from a long time fan.
It's about time someone who covers fsu who will actually tell the truth about what's going on. I disagree Taggart was a better coach than Norvell he did more with less NEVER went 0-3 ,0-4, or 1-4 staring at 1-5
Gator fan here. Several thoughts to share: -it’s a whole new world for college head coaches, and Norvell/ Napier have yet to figure out how to build a sustainable program. -FSU may have a culture problem. They have had some legitimate concerns (playoffs, conference affiliation), but I think they came across a bit poorly in their responses, and that falls on leadership. -Have they thought this Conference thing through? Their Championships have all come through the framework of the ACC, where they’re a big fish. Compared to SEC/B10 schools, though, they’re middle of the road, financially speaking (and are they even wanted?)
FSU problem list 1.Coaching, 2.QB 3.offensive line 4. Defensive line 5. Lack of communication with the DB's 6.To many drop passes, RB,TE,WR 7. Leadership, this isn't a overnight fix.
To answer your first question. Clemson will put the nail in the coffin. Last year's game meant something and i think clemson takes out some aggression. Blood is in the water
I'm a Cane but Bowden built the program from scratch, without any of the advantages Norvell has and never really looked back. It's insulting to the coaches and players who cane before the current ines to have let the program fall this low. Same can be said for Florida and my Canes (over the last 15-20 years).
In the off season pod casts are going to play up the upcoming season/team. Not going to help a channels popularity saying team's going to stink in coming season
I’ve been saying this for 3 1/2 years now. FSU’s offensive line SUCKS! Adkins is the worst offensive line coach in the country. I can’t believe he got to be promoted as the offensive coordinator. The entire offensive coaching staff needs to be fired, and Adkins has to be the first to go. The defensive coordinator is not nearly as bad as what most Nole fans think. Whether or not he can recruit is another story. Basically, Norvell has to hire an entirely new PROVEN coaching staff, especially on the offensive and defensive line. Also, FSU has to pay high school players a lot more money in order to compete with recruiting. If not it doesn’t matter who the coach is.
Athletic Director Rule #1: Never enter into a contract to pay a coach a sum of money where you sweat over the dollars needed to buy him out if he stinks!
I honestly think the success Mike had at Memphis and then Jordan Travis and company made Norvell look great. I started losing respect for Mike last year after the snub. If the starters were not gonna play, we should've never played that game....all it did was embarrass the school and fan base. I don't think FSU ever moved past that embarrassment. Nole for life, 30-year fan, but we need serious changes, Now!
Can we wait until the end of the year to fire Norvell? Recruiting and hype of the new coach not help FSU much more if Norvell is fired sooner rather than later?
Just imagine if mike wasn't able to convince travis, fiske, benson, Wilson and verse to come back last year, it would be 4 years of suck. I'm with you, Mike will be gone by middle of next year cause we will start off with alabama
The coach brought in the talent and the talent has got to play. Right now the coaches are doing all they can and it's the talent that's going out there and not performing as expected. We shouldn't get rid of Norvell even though he should make some coaching changes from the defensive coordinator to the linebacker and D-line coach. Linebackers have been suffering for years and then the D-line with all the talent that it has can't do better than what it is now? Offensively we have to get a better quarterbacks coach. Apparently they don't know what they're doing either. O-line can be explained based on some injuries but they still need to be better. But when it all comes down to it it's not Norvell who is failing this, he brought the talent in. The talent has led us down throughout the whole season. And it starts with a quarterback who does not lead by example.
@@LO_Seminoles well we know this season is a wash, so I say give him next season and if he continues to have these issues then it's time to start looking at releasing him. But he builds up the program to be last year's undefeated team and you can't rip that away from him just because the players are not performing on the field. Again he is not making the throws, taking the handoffs or making the tackles. He is the coach trying to teach these men how to play like a team and it's up to them to listen to him.
@@jimmyfsu4676 wow, I can tell you're not a true fan. But hey, that is your choice. There is talent. Just because you measure it through success and not facts doesn't mean it's not there. Sometimes we just need to find that brotherhood, trust in one another and belief in the system and program which some kids believed in when they came to the school and others thought it was just going to be easy. But whatever is missing will be found and it is not the end of the world. People need to grow up instead of acting like they know something when they're nothing more than just in their feelings.
@@johnathanswanson6590so norvell horribly misevaluated talent in this year’s portal and we’re just gonna give him a pass? Also this is year 5 into norvell’s tenure, why are we relying on getting lucky in the portal when we should have been developing blue chip players. Idk where we go from here because Norvell is gonna slip even further in the recruiting game now that we suck (even going 13-0 Norvell got out recruited by 5 win UF and 7 win Miami)
What happened to Norvell being an elite game day manager/ schemer? The new rules allowing headset communication eliminated sign stealing and some coaches are getting exposed. 🙊
Not an excuse. Lots of other programs pay their players more money. And a lot of them know they're going pro, yet they still play hungry. It's Mike and his staff's inability to evaluate and develop the right players, and motivate them.
Just put out the depth chart for Clemson. Not too many changes again. Some of these guys. Morelock and Cypress in particular have been terrible since week 1. It’s been 5 weeks and they are still making the same mistakes. Why is this coaching staff constantly making the same decisions after it’s obvious that guys are making mistakes every week?
That game last night showed us 2 things. First, Ukalele should have been benched since the second half in Ireland. We'd probably be 3 - 3 now if Brock had been in the huddle instead. Second, Clemson isn't a Natty contender this time around. They won't even win the ACC after Miami gets done with them. So if you're one of those pseudo-FSU fans that were spewing all that crap about losing to Clemson by 80, do us all a big favor. Sell all your FSU shirts, and go root for the Gators!
Running the numbers we will have to pay him $875,000 per month for his buyout payment that's a tough pill to swallow that's over 10 million a year but we have to get this done I do not see a reason for us to wait until next year we just need to move on from him and see if we can get Bill O'Brien or a young coach they can recruit the state of Florida recruit high school players relationships built with high school coaching in the state of Florida
Has there been a more dramatic miscalculation in expectations against reality than this FSU 2024 team? 2-10 or 3-9 are not outside the realm of possibility for this team.
Willie Taggart all of a sudden doesn’t seem like he was the bottom of the barrel 😒. Say what you want about Coach Sanders but FSU would be better off if they hired him… especially with recruiting . Mike Norvell recruits like he is still in the Group of 5
@@morganwartman8507 how do you know he is a terrible coach ? He had been at Colorado for 17 games and I’m sure his record is just as good as Norvell’s through 17 games and he had less talent
@@FilmFactsUncovered have you watched a single game prime has coached and said after the game was over “wow prime really out coached whoever” no, Colorado only ever wins on talent because he attracted a few superstars like Hunter and Shedeur. He’d have neither of these guys at fsu and would actually have to out coach people to win, which he can’t do.
Prime is objectively a terrible coach though? Why don’t we get a real coach with a proven track record of recruiting and winning big games like lane kiffin or someone? I guess I’d rather watch fsu get turned into a reality tv show and lose under prime than just lose under norvell but neither are ideal
Deion isn't a coach. He is a hype man with a gold whistle. The ringleader of a Circus. But hey, Florida State is a Circus school, so ya know, it might just work out...
The portal is catching up to him .he needs to develop his recruits portal is for when you really need it think about it players are in the portal for a reason
And we’ve not forgotten the last Few games against you and your coming down in a couple of weeks it’s going to be crazy we don’t care if you are 0-7 it’s Canes- FSU week
We can't just talk about smu as if they are just trash ! Rhett Lashlee gave Fsu hell while being the OC at Miami. D'erik King was hurt or miami may have beat Fsu that year. King is now a coach for smu. Knighton, Brinson, Smith, Harvey, Harrison Hunte, a couple of others all came from Miami. Just because you're not a power 4 school by name doesn't mean you don't have power 4 coaches and players on your roster. Then moving to the ACC is the result of adding that type of talent to their team.
I believe we can give Bill O'Brien the same football team and it will look a whole lot different we need a tough nose coach like Bill O'Brien like Lane Mike Elko tough nose coaches that put their players in the best position to win I don't believe anything is wrong with the roster is the coaching
Funny, all this ‘mike is trash’ talk wasn’t happening 6 weeks ago. In fact yall were singing his praises to the tune of he’s one of the 3 best coaches in the nation. Don’t stop that energy now. Stay consistent. I tried to tell yall he was instilling a damaging and soft culture when he let those boys sit out. ALL YALL defended that man to the death over that. How yall feeling about defending mike now? I TOLD ALL OF YALL!! Hey remember all yall posted this #Mikegotus or #Mikethegoat 😂 Yall deserve this for defending that man in allowing those boys to sit out against GA. That scared yalls program historically speaking and because yall were so blinded by a 10 win season and a undefeated reg season (in the ACC), yall defended that culture damaging decision. Yall get what yall deserve.
You speak from a fanboy mentality. The playoffs committee decision is what destroyed this program. You fanboys really want that bowl game to matter. The problem is everything Norvell coached to take that team from where it was to undefeated i.e. the climb, do the work and the results will follow, the buy in, the mentality he coached into the players, it was all destroyed with that decision, all his coaching turned out to be a lie because of that decision. Now afterwards when players are destroyed and the coach is telling them still, do the work and the results will follow. No more buy in, no one believes anyone. Instead of coaching the guys hard and calling guys out, now we have the coaching staff coddling the players. We had the same situation with Taggart here. Taggart used to coddle the players, and this team looks so similar to his teams. Norvell used to be able to call guys out, coach guys hard, hold them to a standard. After that decision, everything changed. We were lead to believe in the off-season that he would be able to keep things going but obviously he's failing miserably. Fanboys can get on the internet and claim that Georgia playing Florida State's backups really ended the program and that's because fanboys can't begin to think what it takes to get a team undefeated, the mentality, the edge needed. No one showed up because of the committee's decision, not because of the opponent.
@@EdD-it1zs You’re wrong. Kirby had the same problem of getting snubbed but he didn’t let them sit out. Cuz he didn’t allow soft minded culture of individuality like norvell did. You can blame the cfp committee all you want, without JT you boys were hard to watch. You weren’t beating anyone in the playoffs with just that admittedly good defense. Your offense couldn’t score ANYTHING. Georgia should’ve been in before yall because they were one of the 4 best teams. Yall weren’t. You can cry all you want to about it and blame the cfp committee but that’s just the facts. Norvell handled the snub poorly and now all you who defended that decision are dealing with the consequences. I just think its crazy you are STILL so blind to it youre still defending that culture damaging decision. You’re blaming the cfp committee fot the downfall of fsu not the coach. You’re delusional.
@@ultragator724 You're a fanboy. Kirby didn't get snubbed, he lost to Alabama. Alabama lost to the Big 10 and Big 12 champ. Kirby lost a game. The four best teams argument is a con, a scam. There's only Vegas favorites, and FSU was a favorite their first three games this season and lost all three. Which is why the games are played. No one was scoring on FSU's defense. You're a delusional fanboy of a team that's played football for over a hundred years and has never gone undefeated. The decision killed the team. I said previously Norvell is failing miserably. That's blaming the coach. I also said the committee decision is what destroyed the mentality it took to go undefeated. Norvell started to coddle players like Taggart. A Florida gator fanboy acting like that decision didn't matter is delusional. A fanboy of a team that's never went undefeated.
@@EdD-it1zs BAHAHA!!! You keep saying fanboy fanboy its a little disturbing. Are you not a fan? You just said No one was scoring on that defense. That’s hopeful optimism from a FAN. Anyway, again youre delusional. Yall play in the ACC. Both Georgia and Florida are in the SEC. One of those is a much tougher road than the other. Even the late great Bobby Bowden said that he didn’t want to go to the SEC because it was an easier path to the championship in the ACC. So youre gloating about going undefeated in that conference? You’re pathetic. It’s really crazy to me that you think that the goal last year was NOT to get the four best teams and that thats a scam. And I’ll admit that I don’t believe they got it exactly right but some teams under the four team format were going to get snubbed and thats all there is to it. But listen to me you ignorant little fsu “FANBOY”THAT SEMENHOLE TEAM WASNT EVER GOING TO WIN EVEN ONE GAME IN THE PLAYOFFS. You know why? Because without JT they wasn’t even a top 20 team!! You can fanboy and dream of what you wanted to happen all you want to, JT WAS that team, and he went down. If all it took was defense how come Iowa didn’t do much last year? Because you have to have SOME kind of offense. Both Iowa and fsu did not. So again, take the insane approach and blame everything on the committee not the coach but you make my point on how delusional you are.
You are hitting in hard on the head as you should. So many put money into this University to get this embarrassment. I think unfortunately, Norvell has to go sooner than end of next year. Now they are stuck with a coach that they have to buy out for failing bigly. Taggart 2.0
This Just like Belichick and Brady. *Jordan Travis* was Tom Brady for this Norvell Success. *Norvell* is the Belichick of College Football without that Money Maker QB! *I Told Y'all, He was NEVER My Choice for the Coach At FSU!* *HE's Willie Taggart 3.0!* *He's Not an Elite Coach, Recruiter or Developer of Talent!!* *You Reap what you Sow."* Dam What Y'all Think or Say, I miss *JF!*
I know you didn't say Norvell is a pretty good play caller. He is awful at calling plays. His dumb behind can't even make a coach use their timeouts and calls passing plays late in the game for incompletions to stop the clock.
Fsu have to recruit... They have to go get (COACH PRIME)... especially if coach prime gets the buffs 7-8 wins and hunter for Heisman... Better go get coach prime....
Dju is not getting help.. but no he's no Jordan Travis..4.4 laser.. prolly 4.3... I told y'all last yr... When y'all players got scared to play Georgia and Sat out... Mike norvell should of got them up to play... So norvell not da guy
might maybe a scrimmage with the fans in the parking lot might get them another i wouldnt count the beer gutted mondelo guy out as the fans qb thou he could prob dominate the edge why mondelo u say well we see a commercial for it every 3 mins on every game in the world even the bush people of new guinea talking bout some mondelo
Look I've been through all the Seminole drama wide right u free shoes u the motts TV bs the public's lobster crap neon deion prime time the Willie target crap Jimbo leave us hanging crap it goes on and on stick behind this team for once your not hurting they are be realistic we're not tx ga ala nd or osu
This will be the beginning of a 3 to 5 year crap show, the recruits will dry up, and if uf gets a high end coach this year then maybe a 5 plus year joke show
I sure wish my job guaranteed me a large sum of money for years no matter how bad my performance was
And had to pay me an absurd amount of money just to get rid of me.... Why is college football like this. The head coach "buyouts" are literally insane. I don't understand the logic behind it.
well said
Its not just college football buddy@@leftovergaming9529
It's a culture thing at this point
If a program don't have a $100,000,000 head coach with a $50,000,000 buyout, then they can't compete, lmfao
Well maybe this will start a buyout clause for performance... MN should resign if we go 1-12 even 3-12 .. just step down sir don't embarrass this program any more please
Gator here:
Brian, we are not THAT much better. Our 2 wins are against Samford and a terrible Miss State team.
Against two Teams with a pulse, we were cushed.
FSU has alot of talent.
My opinion - All on Coaching.
They are still playing a TE that has more drops than catches which of one led to a crushing interception against SMU.
Like UF, Coaching has to get better when you have talent.
BUT You Gators play a much tougher schedule. As my gator friend just said, "We suck; you suck more!" LOL
@@johnbishop-b3pmisery loves company, right? Lol
I think you guys will beat Miami.
Gators are more physical and have better talent though. UF also has talent at QB, especially the freshman.
@@na_k Yeah, but the Gators don't scare me like Miami or Clemson.
I looked at FSUs schedule. Can they win 3 games this year? Charleston Southern is the only win I see lol.
Clemson , Florida and Miami gonna be the death of Novell those games .
It could be rough!
Yes,3 high scoring blowouts
Trust, Mario ain’t gonna call the dogs off either. He’s about to do Norvell worse than he did Sunbelt Billy.
@@alienfreakazoid7193 Miami should have never been in the position it was Friday night, I’m not sold on Mario to be honest. Cost his team a game last year and got the best qb they have had in forever and almost lost to VT. This is Miami best chance at making playoff and competing for NC. Let’s see how he he doesn’t the entire season before putting tons of confidence in him. More confident in the QB than Mario.
Mario made it all possible, including the qb.
Clemson fan here. DJU is a great kid, I was pulling for him this year. I was hoping the game would slow down for him. But it just hasn't. I do expect FSU to play us with grit and fire. Us & Florida are the only games left on their schedule that matters. FSU has a talented roster, so their a dangerous team. I just hope they don't put it together against us. Best of luck, the remainder of your season. GO TIGERS
FSU will never be the dynasty it once was. Recruiting isn’t there. We hit the lottery in the portal and had two winning seasons. I’ve given up on it ever being a consistent winner.
It’s beyond talent now, the confidence with FSU right now is completely in the tank so the game will not be close at all. The only thing FSU can hope for is to be competitive and maybe beat Florida but that’s a huge hope.
Yeah the Miami game doesn’t matter
@@traviscrown9189 it doesn’t at this point
Sorry but as a life long Gator I should offer a slightly different take on UF vs fsu. If Florida goes in 0 -12 beating fsu to become 1-12 MAKES IT A WINNING SEASON. Granted 12-1 is a lot better winning season.
The buyout is nonsense like if your team is bad you should be able to get fired period
@@johnpollack8883 no child. Don’t sign the contract giving him such a massive buyout if you don’t like it.
Dude I'm a Buckeye fan living in BAMA (That can be rough LOL !!!!! ) .I stumbled across your channel YOU ARE HILARIOUS.NO DOUBT IT IS SAD WHAT HAS BECOME OF THE FSU PROGRAM.HOPE YOU GUYS TURN IT AROUND. Got hosed out of the playoffs last season. GOOD LUCK !!!!
Even TCU didn't drop off so badly after being stomped by Georgia 65-7 in the National Championship.
I didn't think about that
*Skipped on Prime Shedeur, Hunter etc… Paid Mike 10 Mill a year for this.… smh*
Mr Smith still thinks that was a good idea
@@HappyGrouch whoever iscin charge of the $ is definitely making bad decisions
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Saddest parts Prime asked for the job! Shiloh, qb1, Trav, seaton🤷♂️
Deion is worse than Norvell 🤦🏼♂️🤡
Jordan Travis was the band-aide last year that was hiding some "Major" problems
Yet we won the biggest games of the year, without him?
Sir damn all that. You are spot on. This team and coaches are trash.
Florida alum watching for the first time. I feel your pain. We are both in the same boat at this point.
GUY'S things will turn around We really need to give coach more time As a matter of fact we need to extend him now again I promise we'll be able to compete with our Daddys from Down south. IT may look bleak but we need to support coach he's going to take us to the promise land
I doubt it he just don't have it
You’re correct. Brock, Luke and Trevar should all get a few series. Trevar is 6’2 and around 200 lbs, and runs like a deer ( jtrav).
1-5 coming 😂😂😂😂
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@DaveWilliams-if7dq Jordan Travis went through the tough times, it made him who he is. Now Luke will go through the tough times and he's a baller.
"Tough times make hard men"
@@JaxNole61they wont play him sadly. Thats the problem
@@SurferRC but he'll still suffer through those humiliating losses... it will harden and mature him.
Thank you for your podcast and honest take, Brian. Buckeye fan here. I have a lot of respect for the FSU program but do not know them well. As an outsider, I think the DL surprises me the most. It has the talent to be one of the best but is just getting blown back in the run game. Really weird. I wonder what is going on there.
You and me both (DL).
A lot of FSU fans underestimated the true value of Jordan Travis, Norvell is 3-13 without JT. I told Noles fans friend of mine they were going to be 8-4 and they told me i was crazy, well, i was wrong but because I gave them too much credit. When you finish 13-1 and still finish recruiting outside the top 10, is a recipe for disaster.
FSU is embarrassing bc Norvell isn’t good at talent evaluation and worse at recruiting. Kiffin had the same issue and has been at bigger programs. Watch the Bama UGA tOSU games and it’s freshmen everywhere helping them win. Norvell has been smoke & mirrors. He screwed FSU big time.
You said this year will be 4 out of 5 losing seasons for norvell. That is wrong. We went 10-3 and then 13-1 the last 2 years. So it's 3 of 5 losing seasons.
Correct
This is still terrible for a premier college football program like fsu
Long time FSU fan started in 1977. Last year right after the selection show I commented the aftermath of how it was handled by FSU would hurt going into next season. Coach, in my opinion, led the charge of, right or wrong, with the crying showing the players if things don't go your way throw a fit and quit. Great opp to play Georgia and show the world we belonged, that is def what Georgia set out to do. The AP poll and Coaches poll do not have to vote the playoff winner as NC and beat Georgia one of them may have given us their NC. A lot of the voters of those two polls had mentioned FSU should have been in the playoff so they were already on our side until the actions by the coaching staff and team and university. The excuse of "the bowl game means nothing why play" I know most of those are NFL draft opp but my question is why finish this season, not going to the playoff this year so why risk injury and all the other reasons, the games mean nothing now if playoff is the only goal. This is only my opinion def not thinking everyone or anyone would agree with me and not looking for either just an opinion from a long time fan.
You are 100% correct
Clemson is going to crush them…
Yes
They have to stick with Norvell after the contract extension, this is Tallahassee, not Texas.
Better go find some Texas money 😂
@@ericedwards9307😆 🤣
No they don’t
1 ring Texas 🤷🏻
Ouch
Great show sir the truth is the truth and I appreciate you telling it
It's about time someone who covers fsu who will actually tell the truth about what's going on. I disagree Taggart was a better coach than Norvell he did more with less NEVER went 0-3 ,0-4, or 1-4 staring at 1-5
Gator fan here. Several thoughts to share:
-it’s a whole new world for college head coaches, and Norvell/ Napier have yet to figure out how to build a sustainable program.
-FSU may have a culture problem. They have had some legitimate concerns (playoffs, conference affiliation), but I think they came across a bit poorly in their responses, and that falls on leadership.
-Have they thought this Conference thing through? Their Championships have all come through the framework of the ACC, where they’re a big fish. Compared to SEC/B10 schools, though, they’re middle of the road, financially speaking (and are they even wanted?)
FSU problem list 1.Coaching, 2.QB 3.offensive line 4. Defensive line 5. Lack of communication with the DB's 6.To many drop passes, RB,TE,WR 7. Leadership, this isn't a overnight fix.
To answer your first question. Clemson will put the nail in the coffin. Last year's game meant something and i think clemson takes out some aggression. Blood is in the water
Opening 2025 with Alabama! 🤔
Yes, where is the youth movement.
I think this is going to get worse before better.
fsu is "finished" for the next 2 -3 years. Jordan Travis was hiding "many" problems with fsu last year. I see 2-10
What did Travis hide? A completely dominating defense? A crushing run game?
what will you take for the overhead Oakley's in the case????
FSU is averaging 15.2 pts/gm through 5 games. That's Abysmal
#125 of 133 teams in offensive scoring. #124 in yds/gm at 278
No way this #125th FSU Offense is beating Clemson. So (1-5, 1-4acc) is a definite at this point.
I'm a Cane but Bowden built the program from scratch, without any of the advantages Norvell has and never really looked back. It's insulting to the coaches and players who cane before the current ines to have let the program fall this low. Same can be said for Florida and my Canes (over the last 15-20 years).
Great post
Yall missed on the Cam Ward sweepstakes. DJ was standing there when the tide went out.
Best part of football season as a Nole.... Yankees Number 1 seed to distract at least for 1/3 of season in October hopefully
Wasn’t y’all saying this team was going to be very good
Yeah kind of like every single program in the country does
Yes, we were fooled.
In the off season pod casts are going to play up the upcoming season/team. Not going to help a channels popularity saying team's going to stink in coming season
Down in Trasshassee Florida as the Carnolies crumble stay tune as the Clemson tigers feast on the suck weak and dying nolies.
Still looking for that best defensive line in the country… 🤔
I’ve been saying this for 3 1/2 years now. FSU’s offensive line SUCKS! Adkins is the worst offensive line coach in the country. I can’t believe he got to be promoted as the offensive coordinator. The entire offensive coaching staff needs to be fired, and Adkins has to be the first to go.
The defensive coordinator is not nearly as bad as what most Nole fans think. Whether or not he can recruit is another story. Basically, Norvell has to hire an entirely new PROVEN coaching staff, especially on the offensive and defensive line.
Also, FSU has to pay high school players a lot more money in order to compete with recruiting. If not it doesn’t matter who the coach is.
Atkins needs to go , 5 years is way more then enough to develop an outstanding OL.
Athletic Director Rule #1: Never enter into a contract to pay a coach a sum of money where you sweat over the dollars needed to buy him out if he stinks!
Norvell is the right man. He will get it turn around. If they fire him. Who think they would get. Go Norvell and Go Noles
I honestly think the success Mike had at Memphis and then Jordan Travis and company made Norvell look great. I started losing respect for Mike last year after the snub. If the starters were not gonna play, we should've never played that game....all it did was embarrass the school and fan base. I don't think FSU ever moved past that embarrassment. Nole for life, 30-year fan, but we need serious changes, Now!
Can we wait until the end of the year to fire Norvell?
Recruiting and hype of the new coach not help FSU much more if Norvell is fired sooner rather than later?
Just imagine if mike wasn't able to convince travis, fiske, benson, Wilson and verse to come back last year, it would be 4 years of suck. I'm with you, Mike will be gone by middle of next year cause we will start off with alabama
Norvell said we all in on dj wowwwww
He said this after the SMU loss?
Norvell is not going anywhere. This is FSU. We don't need Coach Prime. We are happy to be the fifth best team in Fl after Miami, Florida, USF and UCF.
2 winning seasons in the past 7 years. This is who FSU is. Got lucky in the portal. That’s all.
What makes u think u don’t lose a Solomon Thomas or a couple other top recruits before signing day? Or lose any good players to the portal?
Bobby Bowden, once told him: if he's wanted, somebody will eventually tap him on the shoulder
JIMBO FISHER !
The coach brought in the talent and the talent has got to play. Right now the coaches are doing all they can and it's the talent that's going out there and not performing as expected. We shouldn't get rid of Norvell even though he should make some coaching changes from the defensive coordinator to the linebacker and D-line coach. Linebackers have been suffering for years and then the D-line with all the talent that it has can't do better than what it is now? Offensively we have to get a better quarterbacks coach. Apparently they don't know what they're doing either. O-line can be explained based on some injuries but they still need to be better. But when it all comes down to it it's not Norvell who is failing this, he brought the talent in. The talent has led us down throughout the whole season. And it starts with a quarterback who does not lead by example.
How much longer do you give Norvell?
@@LO_Seminoles well we know this season is a wash, so I say give him next season and if he continues to have these issues then it's time to start looking at releasing him. But he builds up the program to be last year's undefeated team and you can't rip that away from him just because the players are not performing on the field. Again he is not making the throws, taking the handoffs or making the tackles. He is the coach trying to teach these men how to play like a team and it's up to them to listen to him.
What talent is on this roster?? It's devoid of talent. It's a horrible roster and even worse coaching. Fsu done for foreseeable future. GL BUMS!
@@jimmyfsu4676 wow, I can tell you're not a true fan. But hey, that is your choice. There is talent. Just because you measure it through success and not facts doesn't mean it's not there. Sometimes we just need to find that brotherhood, trust in one another and belief in the system and program which some kids believed in when they came to the school and others thought it was just going to be easy. But whatever is missing will be found and it is not the end of the world. People need to grow up instead of acting like they know something when they're nothing more than just in their feelings.
@@johnathanswanson6590so norvell horribly misevaluated talent in this year’s portal and we’re just gonna give him a pass? Also this is year 5 into norvell’s tenure, why are we relying on getting lucky in the portal when we should have been developing blue chip players. Idk where we go from here because Norvell is gonna slip even further in the recruiting game now that we suck (even going 13-0 Norvell got out recruited by 5 win UF and 7 win Miami)
It feels like Norvell is toast. "Beat anybody" was a bumper sticker in the 70s before Bowden arrived in TLH. We're there again.
90% of fsu fans want Prime Time
No they DO NOT!
What happened to Norvell being an elite game day manager/ schemer? The new rules allowing headset communication eliminated sign stealing and some coaches are getting exposed. 🙊
I think the main problem is that many of the players are CONTENT. Now why would that be?? $$$$
Not an excuse. Lots of other programs pay their players more money. And a lot of them know they're going pro, yet they still play hungry. It's Mike and his staff's inability to evaluate and develop the right players, and motivate them.
Losing big to UF might trigger an emergency buyout.
I hope so 🙏
@@sksimmons1336 who’s paying it?
Just put out the depth chart for Clemson. Not too many changes again. Some of these guys. Morelock and Cypress in particular have been terrible since week 1. It’s been 5 weeks and they are still making the same mistakes. Why is this coaching staff constantly making the same decisions after it’s obvious that guys are making mistakes every week?
That game last night showed us 2 things. First, Ukalele should have been benched since the second half in Ireland. We'd probably be 3 - 3 now if Brock had been in the huddle instead. Second, Clemson isn't a Natty contender this time around. They won't even win the ACC after Miami gets done with them. So if you're one of those pseudo-FSU fans that were spewing all that crap about losing to Clemson by 80, do us all a big favor. Sell all your FSU shirts, and go root for the Gators!
Man its a great day to be a cane fan lol
All those Bama transfers are kicking themselves
Running the numbers we will have to pay him $875,000 per month for his buyout payment that's a tough pill to swallow that's over 10 million a year but we have to get this done I do not see a reason for us to wait until next year we just need to move on from him and see if we can get Bill O'Brien or a young coach they can recruit the state of Florida recruit high school players relationships built with high school coaching in the state of Florida
Make him suffer every loss to the nth degree. Make the money not worth the embarrassment! Make him quit in disgrace!
Shhh. Don't say Mike Norvell is on the hot seat, some will argue with you about your clear facts
I tell it like it is
It’s gonna cost to buy out… 64 million.. bad investment..Go Noles Always!
Has there been a more dramatic miscalculation in expectations against reality than this FSU 2024 team? 2-10 or 3-9 are not outside the realm of possibility for this team.
It's a legit question. FSU is at least in the conversation for biggest single-season flop.
I agree!
Who’s gonna play oline next year?the holes and depth and failures in recruiting will surface next year
Willie Taggart all of a sudden doesn’t seem like he was the bottom of the barrel 😒. Say what you want about Coach Sanders but FSU would be better off if they hired him… especially with recruiting . Mike Norvell recruits like he is still in the Group of 5
recruiting yea but coaching no
Prime is an objectively terrible coach though? Sure recruiting would be better but nothing else would improve
@@morganwartman8507 how do you know he is a terrible coach ? He had been at Colorado for 17 games and I’m sure his record is just as good as Norvell’s through 17 games and he had less talent
@@FilmFactsUncovered have you watched a single game prime has coached and said after the game was over “wow prime really out coached whoever” no, Colorado only ever wins on talent because he attracted a few superstars like Hunter and Shedeur. He’d have neither of these guys at fsu and would actually have to out coach people to win, which he can’t do.
@@nwilliams6768recruiting!? Lol post his class ranks 🤡🤦🏼♂️😂🤡🤡🤡
Oh u r most definitely NOT wrong
He is getting career advice from Charlie Wies (got bought out by Notre Dame and Kansas).
They should've hired Coach Prime when they had the chance. 😂😂😂
ACC please take us back. We didn't really want to leave.
shuda brought HC Sanders back to his home state.. this is a disaster
Be careful what you ask for you might just get it
Prime is objectively a terrible coach though? Why don’t we get a real coach with a proven track record of recruiting and winning big games like lane kiffin or someone? I guess I’d rather watch fsu get turned into a reality tv show and lose under prime than just lose under norvell but neither are ideal
Deion isn't a coach. He is a hype man with a gold whistle. The ringleader of a Circus. But hey, Florida State is a Circus school, so ya know, it might just work out...
Deion is trying to go to the NFL and coach his son. Package deal. And I'm only half joking.
No thanks he is even worse!
Hopefully a few of the guys that were brought in from the portal make big jumps, a lot of them have multiple years
That is true. It's just weird that FSU did so well with first-year transfers and then 2024 happened.
The portal is catching up to him .he needs to develop his recruits portal is for when you really need it think about it players are in the portal for a reason
If I was Norvell, I'd beg them to fire me. His buyout would be 63-65 mill
And we’ve not forgotten the last Few games against you and your coming down in a couple of weeks it’s going to be crazy we don’t care if you are 0-7 it’s Canes- FSU week
Clemson and Miami kicked ass
We can't just talk about smu as if they are just trash ! Rhett Lashlee gave Fsu hell while being the OC at Miami. D'erik King was hurt or miami may have beat Fsu that year. King is now a coach for smu. Knighton, Brinson, Smith, Harvey, Harrison Hunte, a couple of others all came from Miami. Just because you're not a power 4 school by name doesn't mean you don't have power 4 coaches and players on your roster. Then moving to the ACC is the result of adding that type of talent to their team.
Don’t let DJU run! Dang I’m 66 yo with a cane and I run faster than DJU
I believe we can give Bill O'Brien the same football team and it will look a whole lot different we need a tough nose coach like Bill O'Brien like Lane Mike Elko tough nose coaches that put their players in the best position to win I don't believe anything is wrong with the roster is the coaching
Funny, all this ‘mike is trash’ talk wasn’t happening 6 weeks ago. In fact yall were singing his praises to the tune of he’s one of the 3 best coaches in the nation. Don’t stop that energy now. Stay consistent. I tried to tell yall he was instilling a damaging and soft culture when he let those boys sit out. ALL YALL defended that man to the death over that. How yall feeling about defending mike now? I TOLD ALL OF YALL!! Hey remember all yall posted this #Mikegotus or #Mikethegoat 😂 Yall deserve this for defending that man in allowing those boys to sit out against GA. That scared yalls program historically speaking and because yall were so blinded by a 10 win season and a undefeated reg season (in the ACC), yall defended that culture damaging decision. Yall get what yall deserve.
You speak from a fanboy mentality. The playoffs committee decision is what destroyed this program. You fanboys really want that bowl game to matter. The problem is everything Norvell coached to take that team from where it was to undefeated i.e. the climb, do the work and the results will follow, the buy in, the mentality he coached into the players, it was all destroyed with that decision, all his coaching turned out to be a lie because of that decision. Now afterwards when players are destroyed and the coach is telling them still, do the work and the results will follow. No more buy in, no one believes anyone. Instead of coaching the guys hard and calling guys out, now we have the coaching staff coddling the players. We had the same situation with Taggart here. Taggart used to coddle the players, and this team looks so similar to his teams. Norvell used to be able to call guys out, coach guys hard, hold them to a standard. After that decision, everything changed. We were lead to believe in the off-season that he would be able to keep things going but obviously he's failing miserably. Fanboys can get on the internet and claim that Georgia playing Florida State's backups really ended the program and that's because fanboys can't begin to think what it takes to get a team undefeated, the mentality, the edge needed. No one showed up because of the committee's decision, not because of the opponent.
@@EdD-it1zs You’re wrong. Kirby had the same problem of getting snubbed but he didn’t let them sit out. Cuz he didn’t allow soft minded culture of individuality like norvell did. You can blame the cfp committee all you want, without JT you boys were hard to watch. You weren’t beating anyone in the playoffs with just that admittedly good defense. Your offense couldn’t score ANYTHING. Georgia should’ve been in before yall because they were one of the 4 best teams. Yall weren’t. You can cry all you want to about it and blame the cfp committee but that’s just the facts. Norvell handled the snub poorly and now all you who defended that decision are dealing with the consequences. I just think its crazy you are STILL so blind to it youre still defending that culture damaging decision. You’re blaming the cfp committee fot the downfall of fsu not the coach. You’re delusional.
@@ultragator724 You're a fanboy. Kirby didn't get snubbed, he lost to Alabama. Alabama lost to the Big 10 and Big 12 champ. Kirby lost a game. The four best teams argument is a con, a scam. There's only Vegas favorites, and FSU was a favorite their first three games this season and lost all three. Which is why the games are played. No one was scoring on FSU's defense. You're a delusional fanboy of a team that's played football for over a hundred years and has never gone undefeated. The decision killed the team. I said previously Norvell is failing miserably. That's blaming the coach. I also said the committee decision is what destroyed the mentality it took to go undefeated. Norvell started to coddle players like Taggart. A Florida gator fanboy acting like that decision didn't matter is delusional. A fanboy of a team that's never went undefeated.
Don't you have your own locked on gators site or is it shutdown
@@EdD-it1zs BAHAHA!!! You keep saying fanboy fanboy its a little disturbing. Are you not a fan? You just said No one was scoring on that defense. That’s hopeful optimism from a FAN. Anyway, again youre delusional. Yall play in the ACC. Both Georgia and Florida are in the SEC. One of those is a much tougher road than the other. Even the late great Bobby Bowden said that he didn’t want to go to the SEC because it was an easier path to the championship in the ACC. So youre gloating about going undefeated in that conference? You’re pathetic. It’s really crazy to me that you think that the goal last year was NOT to get the four best teams and that thats a scam. And I’ll admit that I don’t believe they got it exactly right but some teams under the four team format were going to get snubbed and thats all there is to it. But listen to me you ignorant little fsu “FANBOY”THAT SEMENHOLE TEAM WASNT EVER GOING TO WIN EVEN ONE GAME IN THE PLAYOFFS. You know why? Because without JT they wasn’t even a top 20 team!! You can fanboy and dream of what you wanted to happen all you want to, JT WAS that team, and he went down. If all it took was defense how come Iowa didn’t do much last year? Because you have to have SOME kind of offense. Both Iowa and fsu did not. So again, take the insane approach and blame everything on the committee not the coach but you make my point on how delusional you are.
He’s got to clean house and recruit the state of Florida
Those Floridian kids are not coming here. (OSU, Bama, Ga, Texas)
@@emg4454and you could maybe throw Miami back in there, if they could continue to get better and consistently dominate, especially after Cam leaves.
FSU no hiring Deion Sanders will go down as one of the worst decisions in CF history.
Need to hire Odell Higgins Get him two great coordinators
Wrong, if Odell was any good someone would've hired him away years ago.
He's a lazy recruiter.
You are hitting in hard on the head as you should. So many put money into this University to get this embarrassment. I think unfortunately, Norvell has to go sooner than end of next year. Now they are stuck with a coach that they have to buy out for failing bigly. Taggart 2.0
Lane Kiffin incoming!
Da U baby!!!! 🙌🙌🙌
Get the Mizzou coach
He saw what they paid Jimbo to leave and thought why coach?
He needs to hire new coordinators or leave
Let's the the house at urban myers
At this point, let's get his paperwork together
Fire everyone
This Just like Belichick and Brady. *Jordan Travis* was Tom Brady for this Norvell Success. *Norvell* is the Belichick of College Football without that Money Maker QB! *I Told Y'all, He was NEVER My Choice for the Coach At FSU!*
*HE's Willie Taggart 3.0!*
*He's Not an Elite Coach, Recruiter or Developer of Talent!!*
*You Reap what you Sow."*
Dam What Y'all Think or Say,
I miss *JF!*
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I LOVE IT MONEY MIKE GOT ANOTHER YEAR GURANTEE
They were 13-0 and 10-3 the year before. That can’t be 4 out of 5.
I meant 3 out of five. Not sure why I said 4.
I know you didn't say Norvell is a pretty good play caller. He is awful at calling plays. His dumb behind can't even make a coach use their timeouts and calls passing plays late in the game for incompletions to stop the clock.
He's good with a mobile QB.
@@LO_Seminoles Just like Jimbo Fisher and Orgeron who had players cover up for their flaws.
Atkins gotta go I said that two years ago our line sucks
Fuller also
Fsu have to recruit... They have to go get (COACH PRIME)... especially if coach prime gets the buffs 7-8 wins and hunter for Heisman... Better go get coach prime....
Dju is not getting help.. but no he's no Jordan Travis..4.4 laser.. prolly 4.3... I told y'all last yr... When y'all players got scared to play Georgia and Sat out... Mike norvell should of got them up to play... So norvell not da guy
I think FSU finds a way to beat clemson. Also, it is and always will be ALL ABOUT THE U. LETS GO CANES!
Fsu might win 2 games 😭😭
might maybe a scrimmage with the fans in the parking lot might get them another i wouldnt count the beer gutted mondelo guy out as the fans qb thou he could prob dominate the edge why mondelo u say well we see a commercial for it every 3 mins on every game in the world even the bush people of new guinea talking bout some mondelo
@@gtf2584 😂😂😂
Too many portal injuries on key player
Look I've been through all the Seminole drama wide right u free shoes u the motts TV bs the public's lobster crap neon deion prime time the Willie target crap Jimbo leave us hanging crap it goes on and on stick behind this team for once your not hurting they are be realistic we're not tx ga ala nd or osu
This will be the beginning of a 3 to 5 year crap show, the recruits will dry up, and if uf gets a high end coach this year then maybe a 5 plus year joke show
Which HC UF hires is a big deal, for sure