Oh yes, the infamous A-date (American) date format issue. Many years ago was I overseeing the development and data entry for a project. Health care facilities where I live use the SI (a worldwide standardized version of the metric system) exclusively. It also has specs for the order that measures are written in, either largest to smallest or smallest to largest. So dates are either year- month-day or the reverse but never A-date. Unfortunately that's the default format in Excel which the vendor supplying the data entry tool missed. It was correct in their system but Excel helpfully 'corrected' the date to American-date format. We only caught it when we noticed that clients had been seen on dates that had not yet occurred. Took 2 of us working 4 days of overtime each to correct the data that had already been entered.
The *_international standard_* for date notation, a.k.a. ISO8601, is YYYY-MM-DD. First published in 1988, and acceptance -- nay, _requirement_ , is quite widespread now. ("requirement" , e.g., official correspondence with EU bodies must use ISO8601 to denote short form date)
@@rebeccahetrick6576 The EU has adopted the ISO standard, but that does not mean it is only the EU who follows it nor does it mean that the EU runs ISO.
With respect to that first story... why aren't computer files in YYYYMMDD formats for dates? If that is the start of the file name, then sorting by name also sorts by date...
21MAY21 is how I was trained in the US Navy since the US military had to work with nato members and sticking the first three letters of the month instead of a numerical month makes it abundantly clear what is ment and I can’t fathom why everyone doesn’t do it that way ( but maybe I have been tainted by military thinking)
@@philvanderlaan5942 And sadly, that brings the question, "Is that format year-month-day, or day-month-year?" Not for all dates, but many, and for this reason most places will use 4 digit years.
@@NemoConsequentae well when I was in it was fairly obvious as the last two number where in the 80s and 90s , but you bring up a good point I don’t know if they added. The full year numbers after I got out.
So company A, B, C did X because product Y was carried by Company D, but the margin on T was far better than L, after Manager Q had sex with R, who was friends with X2 and ate Pi and basically... WTF!!! (This is about as understandable as that chemical story) Ps. 'Follow' for Part 2. Lol 😂
There was a yarn out of England many years ago. According to the story, a letter was sent from one of the hospitals, advising that a person had to come in for an eye examination. As the person in question was 3 {?} years old, it was requested that the parents accompony. A day after receiving the letter, a phone call was received at the hospital that the appointment was to be conducted at. The conversation went along the lines: R: Local Hospital, how may I help you? P: Good morning, I have received a letter from your hospital, stating that you want me to come in for an eye examination on such and such a date. R: Looks up the date, asks for the patients name. Yes, that is correct. Is there a problem that you are not able to attend? P: Yes, my parents are dead. They died in the 1970's. I am 103! R: Oh, shit, to herself.... You are 103? P: Yes, so, have you objections if I come unaccompanied? And, why has your computer saying that I am 3 years old? R: I will investigate and get you an answer when you are here for your appointment. And, yes, you are more than welcome to come on your own!!! Turns out the hospital were using a 2 digit year format! No allowance was made for people that were over 100 years old!!!
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I am very adamant that the international use of , between whole numbers and decimal part is stupid. The decimal point is much more logical. I am living in Mexico where , is taught and used officially but posted prices often use the decimal point ie $99.99 is ninty nine pesos and ninety nine centavos. Since there is no coins less than 10 centavos, using cash 100 pesos is charged. That rant said I find the US date format poor. Mexico uses day month year with several possible separators.
This US native uses the same date conventions as OP in the first story. Anything that has to be sorted is YYYY MM DD. I also use 13 Aug 2017 in written and spoken form.
I'm from Sweden and we as a country used to have all dates listed as: YYYY-MM-DD since before I was born (in the 1960s) Then we joined the bloody EU and now it is as. DD-MM-YY.
Last: A shame that OP's a$$hole manager didn't get fired for casting couch activity. He should have sent a copy of the complaint to the COO and CEO too!
I never understood why other countries write their dates in that format when they don't seem to speak the date in that format. They don't say I'm having a party on the 5th of June. They say I'm having a party on June 5th, right? Unless it's something special or official, I've only ever heard people say the month and then the day when they are speaking a date out loud. I could be wrong though. I'm not saying what I think is the actual truth. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me politely.
Yes, you're wrong. "They" don't.. People say fifth of june twentytwenty. Or my language: 5e juni, 2020 (femte juni, tjugotjugo/tvåtusentjugo) You were taught only your way of saying it. Other languages and some english speaking countrys say it in different grammatical order.
All Crown documents within Australia are DDMMYYYY. You enter the wrong information, the document is rejected, and you have to start all over again! So I know that it is my doing, my method of verification is the month in cursive, date, then year, or date, month in cursive, then 4 digit year. No form ever rejected. Another good snag is to say the birthdate as July last, then the year. Several call centres have demanded the day - my response is to ask: You accept the first of the month, why do you discriminate against me by my saying the last of month? Your supervisor, please. Some very interesting conversations have been had with the supervisors and their seniors!!!
To put simply OP new company had the right to sale the product to the end user, while OP's old employers only had the right to be a middle man (they could only sell to OP new company). However they broke the contract by selling to end users, therefore cutting out the new company out of the deal. OP reported them to the producer about the fact that the old company broke the contract. They lost the revenue from the deal and likely had to pay a fine to the other parties in the contract.
First story sounded like a load of malarky. You can program to sort by any date format. He screwed his boss over, lied to the executives and posted that garbage story. Yeah.
More like a Welcome back to another episode of "Things that never happened," cuz no exec's are gonna give you a raise for causing a stink like that. I'm sure this was all in OP's head and he WISHES he'd gotten his previous manager fired....
Bob is probably the hero in the r/maliciouscompliance story about being hired for a job & then being yelled at (probably for something completely out of his control) by manglement, thus instigated a work-to-rule to ensure he always had a paper-trail, (CYAP!), only to be yelled at again, so slowed even more to be sure to be doing everything right.
@@karintippett753 I am too. But I get why it was YMD in the story, as then the files would stay in order, given the last digits would be the ones to change.
ok that person wrote a script to change all the dates in 1 day and didn't need to do it manually and rack up all that ot that is criminal just because they are a-hole and din't like the date formatevtheir boss ordered
Oh yes, the infamous A-date (American) date format issue. Many years ago was I overseeing the development and data entry for a project. Health care facilities where I live use the SI (a worldwide standardized version of the metric system) exclusively. It also has specs for the order that measures are written in, either largest to smallest or smallest to largest. So dates are either year- month-day or the reverse but never A-date. Unfortunately that's the default format in Excel which the vendor supplying the data entry tool missed. It was correct in their system but Excel helpfully 'corrected' the date to American-date format. We only caught it when we noticed that clients had been seen on dates that had not yet occurred. Took 2 of us working 4 days of overtime each to correct the data that had already been entered.
The *_international standard_* for date notation, a.k.a. ISO8601, is YYYY-MM-DD. First published in 1988, and acceptance -- nay, _requirement_ , is quite widespread now.
("requirement" , e.g., official correspondence with EU bodies must use ISO8601 to denote short form date)
EU, meaning Europe. Not every country.
Im
@@rebeccahetrick6576 The EU has adopted the ISO standard, but that does not mean it is only the EU who follows it nor does it mean that the EU runs ISO.
With respect to that first story... why aren't computer files in YYYYMMDD formats for dates? If that is the start of the file name, then sorting by name also sorts by date...
And no problem when files are sent from USA (use May 3 YY format) to UK or India (use 3 May YY format)
21MAY21 is how I was trained in the US Navy since the US military had to work with nato members and sticking the first three letters of the month instead of a numerical month makes it abundantly clear what is ment and I can’t fathom why everyone doesn’t do it that way ( but maybe I have been tainted by military thinking)
"Do not aggravate me or I will replace you with a small script!"
@@philvanderlaan5942 And sadly, that brings the question, "Is that format year-month-day, or day-month-year?" Not for all dates, but many, and for this reason most places will use 4 digit years.
@@NemoConsequentae well when I was in it was fairly obvious as the last two number where in the 80s and 90s , but you bring up a good point I don’t know if they added. The full year numbers after I got out.
So company A, B, C did X because product Y was carried by Company D, but the margin on T was far better than L, after Manager Q had sex with R, who was friends with X2 and ate Pi and basically... WTF!!! (This is about as understandable as that chemical story)
Ps. 'Follow' for Part 2. Lol 😂
Made more sense to me than your comment.
And I followed it perfectly. Do letters easily confuse you?
There was a yarn out of England many years ago. According to the story, a letter was sent from one of the hospitals, advising that a person had to come in for an eye examination. As the person in question was 3 {?} years old, it was requested that the parents accompony.
A day after receiving the letter, a phone call was received at the hospital that the appointment was to be conducted at. The conversation went along the lines:
R: Local Hospital, how may I help you?
P: Good morning, I have received a letter from your hospital, stating that you want me to come in for an eye examination on such and such a date.
R: Looks up the date, asks for the patients name. Yes, that is correct. Is there a problem that you are not able to attend?
P: Yes, my parents are dead. They died in the 1970's. I am 103!
R: Oh, shit, to herself.... You are 103?
P: Yes, so, have you objections if I come unaccompanied? And, why has your computer saying that I am 3 years old?
R: I will investigate and get you an answer when you are here for your appointment. And, yes, you are more than welcome to come on your own!!!
Turns out the hospital were using a 2 digit year format! No allowance was made for people that were over 100 years old!!!
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That last story was really confusing given the various companies involved and who does what. Just saying, not very understandable.
Oh man. I was wondering if it was just me.
It wasn't that difficult, though...
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WHOOOOOO.....DOGGY!!!
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Two type of stories I like most, getting revenge on stupid managers/companies, and Malicious Compliance stories.
The last story... I couldn't follow which company did what. 🤷♀️
Yes, A,B and C would have been much easier than X, Q and E. Silly ..
I Live in Quebec, Canada and here the Date Format is YYYY/MM/DD
I’m in BC and we use MM/DD/YY
The bob story... We all think he was being unprofessional because that's how OP presented the story. He seems to not realize this.
Last story, op was lucky that he still had friends from his previous company.
Everybody at Q would have loved him.
I am very adamant that the international use of , between whole numbers and decimal part is stupid. The decimal point is much more logical. I am living in Mexico where , is taught and used officially but posted prices often use the decimal point ie $99.99 is ninty nine pesos and ninety nine centavos. Since there is no coins less than 10 centavos, using cash 100 pesos is charged.
That rant said I find the US date format poor. Mexico uses day month year with several possible separators.
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This US native uses the same date conventions as OP in the first story. Anything that has to be sorted is YYYY MM DD. I also use 13 Aug 2017 in written and spoken form.
I'm from Sweden and we as a country used to have all dates listed as: YYYY-MM-DD since before I was born (in the 1960s)
Then we joined the bloody EU and now it is as. DD-MM-YY.
I think I understood the last story, but twas a bit confusing...
Agree. Too many incidental details that have no importance to the story.
American date format is confusing to others when written as numbers. Need to use the letters for the month to avoid confusion.
The first story I'm use to mm dd yy I don't like dd mm yy never did I think the format of dd mm yy is stupid to me so I guess it's personal preference
Both are stupid inside a data file system.
I always wondered why some places uses the d/m/y format but it makes sense.
Americans are the same way about weights and dates as the British are with driving on the right, they'll change when everybody else does. Lol
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Good morning everyone. RedWheel, thanks for the stories.
It's funny, but U.S. military denotes the date like you do: 15OCT24.
Last: A shame that OP's a$$hole manager didn't get fired for casting couch activity. He should have sent a copy of the complaint to the COO and CEO too!
I never understood why other countries write their dates in that format when they don't seem to speak the date in that format. They don't say I'm having a party on the 5th of June. They say I'm having a party on June 5th, right? Unless it's something special or official, I've only ever heard people say the month and then the day when they are speaking a date out loud.
I could be wrong though. I'm not saying what I think is the actual truth. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me politely.
Yes, you're wrong. "They" don't.. People say fifth of june twentytwenty. Or my language: 5e juni, 2020 (femte juni, tjugotjugo/tvåtusentjugo)
You were taught only your way of saying it. Other languages and some english speaking countrys say it in different grammatical order.
How you speak it and how you name it in a data file directory have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Mentally separate the environments.
All Crown documents within Australia are DDMMYYYY. You enter the wrong information, the document is rejected, and you have to start all over again! So I know that it is my doing, my method of verification is the month in cursive, date, then year, or date, month in cursive, then 4 digit year. No form ever rejected.
Another good snag is to say the birthdate as July last, then the year. Several call centres have demanded the day - my response is to ask: You accept the first of the month, why do you discriminate against me by my saying the last of month? Your supervisor, please. Some very interesting conversations have been had with the supervisors and their seniors!!!
I'm sorry but I can't be the only one who love to hear rSlash's evil laugh am I?
Uh, this story was done on Red Wheel's channel, and rSlash did not narrate it.
Morgan Freeman should approve all work orders.
Ok, l give up trying to follow this story... I am out.
Whereas we all know the correct way is dd/mm/yy
Or in a data system, YYYY MM DD or YYJUL.
Comment #13!
I have no idea what was happening in that last story. It was so confusing!
To put simply OP new company had the right to sale the product to the end user, while OP's old employers only had the right to be a middle man (they could only sell to OP new company).
However they broke the contract by selling to end users, therefore cutting out the new company out of the deal.
OP reported them to the producer about the fact that the old company broke the contract. They lost the revenue from the deal and likely had to pay a fine to the other parties in the contract.
@@lostShadowLord ohhhhh... OK, thank you so much for the clarification. It makes sense now.
Good morning RedWheel ! Have a great day everyone !
First story sounded like a load of malarky. You can program to sort by any date format. He screwed his boss over, lied to the executives and posted that garbage story. Yeah.
More like a Welcome back to another episode of "Things that never happened," cuz no exec's are gonna give you a raise for causing a stink like that. I'm sure this was all in OP's head and he WISHES he'd gotten his previous manager fired....
Many places use something like Windows File Explorer to sort their files, so no.
Natural sorting is further always better than programmed sorts.
There’s no way that first story is real.
Good morning Redwheel time to get this day started
I really like Bob! hee hee ✨🤗✨
Bob might not be as big of a jerk as he appears, we may never know.
Aw yes a new red wheel video my favorite
Wtf. I wanted to hear about Bob burning at the stake.
Lol
Bob is probably the hero in the r/maliciouscompliance story about being hired for a job & then being yelled at (probably for something completely out of his control) by manglement, thus instigated a work-to-rule to ensure he always had a paper-trail, (CYAP!), only to be yelled at again, so slowed even more to be sure to be doing everything right.
@@NemoConsequentae So Bob went from maliciouscomplaince to malevolentcompliance. got it
@@bryanlarson1605 _Malevolent Compliance..._ I *LIKE* it! :D
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Month/Day/Year is better.
I hate the us date structure.
Good Morning!!! Great stories! Pro Revenge Wednesday!
Thank you
YYYYMMDD or YYYYDDD
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Good morning RedWheel
Good morning everyone 😊😊😊
Yes I am first
Actually, you are 3rd... but nobody besides you actually cares
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Day/Month/Year
Or Year/Month/Day... Either way, it's progressive.
@@Maninawig Yes, but I have always used Day/Month/Year and I see no reason to change it. Maybe it helps to say I am Canadian, ha ha.
@@karintippett753 I am too. But I get why it was YMD in the story, as then the files would stay in order, given the last digits would be the ones to change.
@@Maninawig I will have a look at work tomorrow but am fairly certain we don't sort by year, certainly not in most programs I use.
Checked today and we use Month, Day , Year on most files but they are generally sorted by number not date anyway
ok that person wrote a script to change all the dates in 1 day and didn't need to do it manually and rack up all that ot
that is criminal just because they are a-hole and din't like the date formatevtheir boss ordered
They didn't have to write the routine.
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Love the first story.