When I heard that realtor - the one who flew in on a private jet - state that she wasn't going to jail because she had blonde hair and white skin, it burned. When she DID go to jail, I smiled, but it didn't erase the pain and outrage of knowing that racism is SO engraved in our national makeup that she felt utterly comfortable making such a statement, PUBLICLY.
If you and me and Mahesh had been standing next to each other, and had attempted to put push past a couple of capital police officers, in a riot line, the best you and I and her could all have hoped for would have been years in prison after we got out of the intensive care unit. It is infuriating and disappointing to see the amount of people on here pretending that active bad actors, seeking to overthrow a lawful United States election, forcibly, violently and under arms entering the capital of the United States, should not have been treated like, and held to the same standards of, you or her or I. Or that somehow their deaths on that day would have made special saints out of them among the rest of their bullies, but our deaths which almost certainly would have occurred, would do what? Turn into that particular kind of tragedy that dead brown and black bodies produce where everyone that looks like us and everyone that doesn't gets to feel bad about it but nothing actually changes? I don't believe they would have become martyrs. I believe they would have become object lessons to the limits of tolerance for white supremacy. And on some level, some of the people on here flinch at that. You and me would have bled or died. Likely died. And certainly has been much longer in prison with less care. But now people are stumbling over themselves excusing otherwise for them.
Yes. A lot of racism exists. I can only relate as a lower class worker. When I backpacked in Asia 40 yrs ago I saw that racism is everywhere and equally disgraceful. As a young keener I could see the Europeans weren’t the only race capable of atrocities That said it’s kinda bad luck to be born in a geographical area that has chosen your race to be the oppressed one. And right now we can see the stupid ones who got, and welcomed permission to indulge in their hatred. Selfish dangerous fools, especially the leadership, trump et al
@@Jay-ho9io Indeed. It's one of those rare moments in which I do not share the sentiments of most folks in the comment section. As always, I appreciate your well-reasoned and clearly articulated input. I hope that you are well, Mr.!
Funny. It burns me that this country is so entirely ignorant of economic class that it sees the issue of someone flying a private jet to protest against the government as racially motivated. Protest what? That she doesn't have 2?
After the USA has another revolution. No way to achieve that under the current supreme court will ri-interpret the constitution. But do you really want to overthrow the constitution in order to punish those who tried to overthrow it in a different direction? That might lose you the moral high ground...
I'm really torn on this. And I would love to hear Beau's opinions. Overall I'm glad there was so much restraint and I'm also in the camp that the sentencing so far has seemed appropriate. What makes me really angry is the fact that if it was anybody other than mostly white conservatives there is no way the restraint in force, or sentencing would be the same. If it was a group of people of color I don't think anyone could convince me it wouldn't have been a far more violent response. *Edit for typos*
@@ohana8535 you are absolutely right. I guess torn is the wrong word. I'm mostly just angry at the hypothetical injustice. Admittedly, saying it out loud, I realize that it's a terrible frame of mind. There are real injustices I could be angry at. It also makes me wish I was more capable to do activism.
After the fallout from Ruby Ridge and Waco, the government realized that there was a powder keg of white, anti-government militia all over the country. Their heavy handed tactics and lack of restraint gave anti-government sentiment a boost and the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building was retribution for how they handled RR and Waco. So now they handle them all with kid gloves for fear of sparking an uprising from splinter cells or sympathetic (and heavily armed) groups. I just commented to Beau to make a video on it because I'm sure he has a better way of conveying that.
I'm saddened this is even in doubt. I happen to be melanin challenged and I can say I have both spectrums in my family. I'm European by birth raised in Vegas grandparents in Durham N.C. Military family through and through. My father broke relationships with his family because of their views on race. He was their only child. He refused to raise his children that way. Peace y'all
The LEADERS need to be held to account. In the severest way possible. The dummies on the ground need jail, the organizers and leaders need to be made examples of.
Don't make an example out of the leader of a political movement. Someone does not even have to die to basically become a martyr. Instead, show their followers who they really are. Because with a bit of pressure, the type of person who wants other people to do their dirty work is just as likely to throw those same people under the bus. Don't make the followers feel like they are victims of anything other than the movement and the things, and people, who drove them to it.
everyone of these idiots need to be convicted of felonies. spend time in jail. then they lose their gun rights that's the best thing that can happen right now
@@Unsure_Auklet that's great in theory, but these trumpsters have been shown over and over what the trumps, repub politicians, and Qanon are really like. They've seen, and cheered, as trump has thrown his sycophants under multiple buses, but still refuse to see that trump is a user, a narcissist, a manipulator, who will do the same to them. With the immanent threat of prison, *some* are realising their emperor is nothing but a naked toddler, but many still refuse to see it, and are threatening any who point it out.
@@fionaanderson5796 Trump has thrown allot of legal and political associates under the bus, yes. But to trump and his followers those were always just a means to an end. And as soon as they had outlived their usefulness as someone on "their side" they became more useful as a scapegoat. This seems to be because those people where never really "part" of the movement, but mistakenly saw it as a means to realize their own (horrible) goals. Something that is well documented to happen whenever undeniable fascists come to power and prominence. A few of those associates have also been getting into legal trouble, that did also not deter anyone from going for jan 6. I mean, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon or Rick Gates were never going to be one of their martyrs, even if they would be outright killed. You might ofc disagree, but this is kinda how I see it.
Just the fact if tables were switched and it was the “left” that rushed capital building... the “right” would be screaming for the capital punishment....
It was an clown car full of would be revolutionaries, sad, pathetic, disgusting and yes, dangerous. Clowns can be killers, just ask the families of John Wayne Gacy's victims.
@@ljohnson2181 Absolutely wrong. In this instance a martyr is simply a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle Not only that, but in the minds of the Trumpublicans, she was innocent, and she gave her defending freedom and democracy.
In the grand scheme of life, Beau is so wise for his brief existence. I have the utmost respect for his thoughtful consideration of the most important events of our times. I learn something valuable from each of his videos. Sure do wish that our future politicians and representatives in government were as thought-provoking and forward-thinking as Beau.
I might vote for a politician if they were wise enough to even say that they watched and understood this channel. That would at least be a step in the right direction!
Thank you Beau, it has been a very perplexing situation for me being a Vietnam Veteran, and all the protests and loss of life on all sides that accompanied that war, and coming from a family like so many others that had so many Veterans from WWI, WWII, KOREA, and as I said Vietnam. I am typical third generation American, and the pride in America and what it stood for in an apple pie sense, caused a great deal of anger at the unashamedly disregard and disrespect by 45 for the average Americans, and pandering to our lesser angels by calling the war dead “ losers and suckers” cut deeply. The fact he and several members of the House and Senate participated in the failed insurrection on January 6th cut deeply into the fabric of our nation, and I know the shame and pain from that cut is difficult to live with knowing there still are citizens and politicians who continue to fabricate lies and distractions to attempt to gain power and profit for them selves is a bitter pill to be offered, that being said I agree with your assessment of the ongoing handling by our justice system thus far but, from both a moral and pragmatic stance I believe Americans need to know the truth about everyone involved and let the punishment fit the crimes.
We have a saying in Germany : Unwissenheit schützt vor Strafe nicht. Roughly translates to: ignorance doesn’t help you to escape punishment. So even if you’re not aware of doing something wrong or illegal, you’re still culpable
@@jimmymcreynolds4284 If you are talking about those people that get pulled over for having air-fresheners hanging from their rearview mirror. They know the law, they have repeatedly claimed that the law only exists to harass black people, but they keep hanging things from the mirror. Knowing it is illegal and knowing that they are going to be pulled over and harassed for it; ZERO sympathy.
While I agree that ignorance of the law is no excuse, you have to consider that some of these people are mentally disabled. Would you throw a 30 year old man with Down syndrome in jail for stealing something because he didn't understand that you can't just pick something up and walk off with it? What would be the point? Sure, you're punishing him, but he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand what he did wrong or why he's being punished, so you're not going to be able to change his behaviour. The same goes for people who hear the President of their country tell them that the election has been stolen by the opposition and that if they don't "fight", then they're going to wake up in the United Soviet Socialist States of America tomorrow and believe that he's telling them the literal truth. Plus, can you really punish the people who showed up to the riot while not even remotely holding the people that convinced them to go there accountable? Mo Brooks stood on a stage and screamed into a microphone that they were going to march down to the Capital and kick some ass right before the riot. There's no question that he was one of the ringleaders and that he was clearly advocating for violence against the government of which he is a member. And what happened to him? Was he arrested? Charged, tried, and convicted of sedition? Removed from office? NOPE. He still holds office and is actively working against all and any investigations into the events that took place that day. How is it fair to let that slide but punish some moron who listened to him and threw a rock through a window at the Capital?
You can't reform the disparity by handing out merciful sentences to those who are already privileged, and expect them to somehow pay it forward. Let them rot in jail - then maybe we'll see sentencing reform once it becomes an issue they are forced to reckon with.
I agree handling these people with kid gloves is one of the reasons we are in this position in the first place. Because instead of cutting off the head of the snake at the end of the Civil War we tried to move forward and reunite the country. Which and no way helps. People who commit treason should pay for their behavior. Those who led the Civil War should have been tried and hung to send a message and their families should have had everything confiscated so that no other landholder would wish to possibly sacrifice their Holdings. Make American Justice equal use the sentence you would for the lowest common denominator i.e. people of color.
I don't always totally agree with you, but there is no doubt that you have a piercing intellectual viewpoint that seems to get to the most powerful points in these discussions. I hope you have an increasing influence in this hurting country. We need more voices that sing both to liberty and compassion.
@@dawnoceanside7300 It's voices that incite action. Ask yourself what actions are you taking to change things rather than critiquing those who do speak up for change.
The ringleaders, many of whom are elected officials, should be held accountable for using these confused and gullible pawns in their warped political power games. Then, real real justice would be served.
The difference between how the transnational white power movement is treated by the legal system, and how BLM is treated by the justice system is conspicuous.
There is a strong perception that the response would have been much more “heavy handed” if the insurrectionist were a different demographic or political persuasion (Kyle Rittenhouse). The breach of the Capitol Building would not have succeeded under those different circumstances.
Just imagine if this was a group of African American males infiltrated by the violent aspects of the Black Panthers. Would any of them be leave the capital on their own two feet? The response was a perfect example of why America is racist.
@@swang30 they wouldn’t have gotten within 100 meters of the building. The law enforcement reaction to the notification of a Afro-descendant peaceful protest garners a heavy-handed reaction that is often violent BECAUSE of the law enforcement. Sadly, the violent reaction of law enforcement to an Afro-descendant protest, resulting in sever injuries and death, would not have caused a raised voice, not to mention a collective response. In fact, many would justify the response based on the systemic / cultural criminalization of Afro-descendant people (racial stereotyping). THE RESPONSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT AND WE DON’T HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THAT FACT TO KNOW CONCLUSIVELY.
In the real world; They never came close to doing anything like that, but the fbi still murdered them. So in your hypothetical, surely the response would be even worse, with arbitrary reprisals on anyone associated with them.
Howdy fellow internet people, I'm a student of criminal justice. I'd like to echo Beau on this one. Revenge was the point of the most archaic criminal codes (eye for an eye) and we can do *much* better these days. Indeed, we have Dept of *Corrections* and humane treatment is a focus right behind safety and security. Even a month has a huge impact on a person's life, just ask anyone that can't afford bail.
Yes , but until we affect these changes in the laws, can we not hold those who support said laws accountable under said laws? Reason doesn't seem to be working 200+ yrs of this same mindset from the same subset of "Americans?".
Ashli Babbitt family should be ashamed that her death is being used to fuel the so-called "election was stolen" B.S. The entire world saw what happen. There are videos and videos of what happened. There is a testimony from the guy that was standing next to her when it happen. Yes, they did try to save her life. The EMT was there helping her out even as they are surrounded by rioters that minutes ago were trying to break the door down. Notice how smarter the rioters have become after one of them was shot.
@@teax25 They should be ashamed, but they see it as payout now. Her family has filed a lawsuit against Capitol Police for 10 million dollars. They won't win of course. Disgusting all the way around, her disgusting behavior, the disgusting result of her behavior, the disgusting behavior of her family, the disgusting behavior of the political party who as elevated her as a political prop. She died a tool. Her family should be suing the perpetrators of the big lie for using her as a tool.
A lot of the moral argument comes down to exactly what my mother used to say when any of us kids tried the "but they started it!" excuse: "Two wrongs never make a right"
Seeing how hard people who supported the actions are trying to canonize someone who got shot going through a broken window, I can't imagine how much worse the rhetoric would be if the body count was higher.
Yet, seeing what they faced, had the protesters been of a different "hue", blood would have flooded, bodies would have been piled, and the same people would be making up a different set of lies to justify it. We are, quite ironically, not a nation of equals.
@@wilb6657 I call bullshit. There was also one of your "hero's" that tazed himself in the nuts and had a heart attack and died and a couple of idjits that got trampled. Why don't you make them marytars?
No, he just has a better grasp of history and the consequences of meeting violence with violence. "It's the same old theme since 1916/ In your head, in your head, they're still fighting. . "
The only consequence which will really help prevent this sort of thing occuring in the future is political. Voting for anyone calling themselves a Republican (in the USA) at this point should be unthinkable for a sane person. Sadly, people suck
@@MarcillaSmith : The apathy and or pride to allow the greater of two evils to win because a person thinks it's okay to let others do all all of the dirty work and heavy lifting is exactly why this country is so F'd up. There are 95 million of you non-voters, and since we know that conservatives almost always vote, we know that nearly all of that 95 million lean to the left. I blame them (and myself too for the years I didn't vote).
@@aylbdrmadison1051 Your argument, while it has its historical precedents, failed to win over the court at Nuremburg. The greater of two evils is to choose to participate
My greatest concern about all of this is how *everyone* is treating the issue. When the idea that a force opposing the government is *inherently* bad no matter what their ideas are, it brings me great worry for the future. What if a genuine revolutionary force comes along in the future who wants to replace the US with something genuinely better? Not people with fascist aims in mind in the slightest, but rather people who want to build a country with the rights and protection of minorities as a priority along with anti-corruption measures and so much more that we say every day that this country needs to be. What happens if they come along when the US government is just too far beyond saving (which honestly seems like its only a few decades away, in my opinion)? Are they going to be called traitors by the working class just because they wanted to topple the government? Its staggering how much more loyal people are to the US as an idea rather than being loyal to the people who live in its grasp.
The Black Panthers - along with the LGBTQ+ community and most Socialist, Communist, and Anarchist sects residing in the US - would like to have a word with you.
Morally, only the people at the top should face the extreme repercussions... but we live in a world where the villain can win. It's an immoral world with immoral justice... until that is fixed we can only deter this stuff.
My opinion... Don't physically fight back. Be the better example of our collective humanity. They seem to be literally begging for us to flinch, to show a "tell," or to not keep the "higher" ground. Or mearly F-up greater than Benghazi? Lol (As if that was nearly as bad or in the same ballpark as 1/06?) And use our slip for twisting the truth. It's retaliation over nothing. After a rediculously fair and secure election. With zero court turnovers, zero proved evidence to the contrary. Where the popular vote won handily. There are more if us. Just less vocal? We, that stay to this code of love and tollarence, are the better for it. The modest and humble humans without inherent arrogance or judgement. We patiently try to find ways to keep peace and harmony. It seems a larger task these last few years. Thanks you Beau for what you do!
Beau, my feelings are that yes, sentences are appropriate. I want the top people to be charged. And I agree with you on the fallout. I was a correction officer in WA State Penitentiary, in my 20s, for 2 years mid 80s. I went in strongly pro death penalty. Changed. I realized how the most horrific offenders, (child molester, mutilate and or killer, and other serial type are few between. From what I saw, death row was more a matter of class and power. So were long sentences. And I was never a sympathizer! But facts are facts and lawyers matter. 👍🥰💖✌
Could I get your opinion/expertise on a related topic? There's someone I'm around often who's a "tough on crime" proponent, and my counterpoint is that most people who commit crimes do it without weighing the risk/reward of getting caught; either they don't expect to get caught or their immediate needs outweigh any moral (let alone legal) objections; but I'm saying that based mostly on academic studies and personal experiences with people committing minor crimes (speeding, petty theft, etc.). I'd be curious to hear if you have any insight about that on the more "serious" end of the spectrum 🙂
@@Ash__Adler I'm by no means an expert. But from what I saw, many has uncontrollable urges, and even warned people they were going to do things. And of the three serial rapists I had dealings with, (Kevin Coe was one, the other 2 were also famous, but I can't remember their names or sobriguets) I noticed a weird thing. In all 3, their mothers treated them like a lover in a way, while dad was wimpy, super passive. It just seemed weird to me. One guy in McNeil Island, not where I worked, was in for a brutal assault and rape. He told the prison board that if he got out, he'd 'find the bitch who put him in and kill her'. A couple years later, per law, he was lowered to minimum security. Sent on work detail , near Seattle, he left it. Found her, and her neighbor, two nurses, and the neighbor's 8year old daughter. He tortured and raped all 3 for about 6 hours. Then slit their throats, went to a bar and bragged about it. Didn't fight at all when picked back up, but then he came to where I was, in WallaWalla. But I never worked Maximum or death row, where he was. Most of the inmates I worked with were medium. Some truly heinous crimes, but those were old and lifers. Most were as you called it petty. But the sad thing was, a lot had very long sentences, lengthened again inside for various reasons. But the majority were poor and uneducated. Plus, we, as guards, (COS, lol) were told that stats showed that 85 to 90 % of the crimes involved alcohol and drugs, namely, amphetamines. Plus, now we know that the human brain, the frontal cortex, isn't even mature until our 20s. ! We've learned a lot in the last 30 years, about the brain. I don't know the answers to any of it, but I know that here and now, just as back in the 80s, those who can afford great lawyers, or sometimes even a judges bias, often means more than the crime committed. And that is why I'm no longer so Gung Ho on 'law and order'. 🥰✌
@@laurajarrell6187 : That was a very interesting read. Thank you for that, and Ash for asking the question. Indeed the worst part of our justice system is it is built on conservative-capitalism. It's about profit, not justice.
Receiving a consequence for one’s action isn’t revenge . When we try to teach children consequences of their actions, like acting contrary to known rules, information and expectations or being quick to act without pausing to think- learning that behavior at least to results and the results lead to negative consequences must be demonstrated- we attempt to do this while they’re young enough that the poor decisions they’ve made aren’t immediately life changing or life-threatening; we don’t do it for revenge. We do as a reflection of our love and concern and as a learning experience so that they understand they’re not free to operate without any moral or ethical restraints and won’t continue do so to their lasting detriment in the future. Not one of these individuals were children. Despite their myriad of excuses they all managed to get where they were, decided to stay and to participate if only lend camouflage and moral support. No one forced them on planes trains & automobiles buses or cars and transported them there against their will. If they’re mentally incompetent they can still receive a consequence; hopefully that consequence will be help to get them on a more stable mental setting.
In my opinion testifying in court for these crimes is a better and more teachable punishment than the death penalty in this case. Testifying removes their hero/martyr status, makes creating a mythology around the event harder, and shows in detail that the only heroes here were the security guards trying to deescalate things. Also, it should be taken as a rule that mentally unstable people don't get scared into a healthier mental state. Healthier mental states are generally made possible with professional help.
More in favor of an international trial, but I'd be perfectly happy to let them pull the lever of his platform, and we've got plenty of other war criminals from high positions of power we could extend a similar invitation for to other countries they have committed crimes against. Honestly, we have more of them than we have countries we have done wrong....and I'm having a hard time thinking of any existing country we _haven't._
If one person gets charged with murder in a mob.Then, the charge spreads to the mob. All of the participants, especially if a cop dies . Did everyone forget that ? That's how I've seen it on the First 48. Strange how that didn't happen 1-6-20. Double standard??
My recollection is that there were traitors among the Capitol Police, aiding the insurrection. Have these procedural changes done something about that?
Trump stoked this for a long time. From the debates “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by” right up the speech calling for all to March to the Capitol and “fight like hell”. And like he’s done for so long, he’s committed crimes in broad daylight.
Because of the fence taking down? I saw a article about that. They were falling back and trying to not have the people take the fence and throw it at them. I think that's what happened is been a year since I read the article
I think that each and every single one of them should be charged as felons. Even those who got a slap on the wrist. We need to strip them of their rights to vote and own a gun. These people have no right to have a voice in politics anymore.
Stampede! who's at fault the cattle or the wolves who instigated it. you don't kill the cows you eliminate the particular wolf pack involved. (note metaphor -don't kill real wolves )
I’m still more annoyed by the fact that my tax money went to police who didn’t use their regular policy of shooting suspects when they feel that their life is in danger. When they were literally attempting a coup.
For real, everyday people there is a law regarding "home invasions", which states that if someone died during the home invasion. The "invaders" can be charged with manslaughter (I believe... don't know the exact wording of the actual law) The point I'm making is: That the law should be applied to EVERY ONE of the "Capital invaders"!!!
That would be neither feasible nor fair. People died during the BLM riots too. Should ALL the protestors be held accountable? Both sets of circumstances started out as perfectly legal gatherings. Not until destruction ensued or law enforcement personnel were attacked did the line between legal and criminal get crossed. A good many of the Capitol Riot idiots are ONLY being charged with "Entering a restricted building," as is proper.
It's the essential distinction between retributive and restorative justice. Unfortunately, America has a long history of retributive justice; it tends to be our default stance to any situation. If our goal is to actually fix things, we have to start looking at restorative justice.
You see that a lot with damages granted to plaintiffs. I live in Europe and I constantly have to explain why people are granted settlements for uncountable millions in the US (Pharma/tobacco).
That is a very interesting topic. Originally, "penitentiary' was conceived of as a place for penitence with religious overtones, then came retribution, and interludes of education and reform through work or hobbies. There are a couple of strange notions going around that the awfulness of our prisons is a strong inducement not to get sent there [it doesn't seem to work that way], and some suggest that life in prison is worse than capital punishment. Would people given life, or who are on death row, avail themselves of "death with dignity" if it were offered? There are lots of questions, but most of our answers are bad, as a look at European systems would show us in many cases [though a few countries there and elsewhere are too lenient, with a recidivism problem].
@@Alexis84DE : I'm unsure if you are talking about retributive or restorative justice. That is restorative justice, because unless the cost to the companies is in the millions, it's not even a tiny scratch to them and they will continue to hurt and kill people. Nothing would change otherwise, so the cost must be enough to cause a restorative reaction from the company, government agency, or extremely powerful entity, such as a billionaire.
Conservatives - we want a small government that has minimal power over people. Also Conservatives - we think the government should have power of life and death over any and every person.
@@littlebitofhope1489 This site seems to be the biggest target, and the Lords of the Media are known to favor the right-wing, could it be intentional that nothing is done to prevent it? Conspiracy theories are almost always bunk, but in this case it might not be.
Trump will never hold public office again. We as the people will make sure of it. Any president who tries to overthrow the government to remain in power should never ever be able to hold public office. Trump's a coward he can't take losing again.
@@dianedavidson7977 you keep believing that but I promise yall, here in Texas and other states they are gonna win the mid terms abd in 2024. So yall get ready
You just have to look at ruby ridge and how that ended up. I remember a lot of people sided with them that would normally stand against them all because the gov stepped in.
Beau, I was born ans raised n Belfast. I;m impressed by your umdestanding of our (your and my) history and how much knowledge of it might, with hope, prevent the same ccurrences occur in your country.. Thank you for saving my ords.
Those songs are INDEED still played; my brother's got a Master's in Irish Music Performance and he's told me the story of the Easter massacre a few times, and how one of Ireland's greatest songwriters of the time was one of the victims.
indeed, not to mention the same message is still sung of even in modern music. The Cranberries: Zombie, and U2: Bloody Sunday. So something of that ilk will profoundly resonate for a long time with a people.
Unfortunately, most of the people slaughtered by the imperialist Brits were scholars, philosophers and artists. That's the price the Irish had to pay to liberate three quarters of the country !
Two thoughts: If you send in the goons to reclaim the building and whoever fails to hit the deck gets introduced to the deck by way of firearm, that's one thing. I'd shed no tears. I'm not a kind person by default, and my patience for these people is thoroughly exhausted. Every one of them that dies IS a waste, yes, but they were already a waste, actively spreading that waste wherever they go. Once they're dead, they're gone, and they can't cause any more harm. From a cynical trolley problem perspective, Republicans have accidentally been laying the tracks to a better future on top of their corpses as they voluntarily die for their stupid ideas. However... Once the dust is settled, I am utterly against the death penalty. I am against executing prisoners for ethical reasons rather than moral reasons. It's one thing to deliberately and violently suppress a threat. It's entirely another to kill someone whose only remaining tool is their voice. If you're a Nazi and you died, it's your fault. If you're a Nazi and you died, it's your fault. You tried to overthrow the state At your little tyrant's dictates, If you're a Nazi and you died, it's your fault. But if you're a Nazi in a cell, settle in. If you're a Nazi in a cell, settle in. You got five years in the corner But it's better than the coroner. If you're a Nazi in a cell, settle in.
Jan 6th and the way it was handled showed the world that yes, indeed these right-wing extremists mean business although misled. Yes, go for the big fish.
You really nailed the point home for me with the disparity of the sentencing. I know LOTS of people and have been myself locked up for a plant. Its another law I don't agree with, but some people died during a felonious act by American laws that's murder(no matter what caused the death), there's many ridiculous examples of this being enforced. I want to see that carried out here, but that's just me being angry.
I also don't believe in capital punishment. I pragmatically feel not all felt they were manipulated and still have a mindset geared towards wanting more. I knew before 2016 vote that there was cyber manipulation. What do any of you think of that?
There are so many extremists in this country that want America to burn, want to seize power for themselves and rule, and have been here for many many decades. We let this happen by allowing the confederacy and it's supporters to name schools after traitors and build statues in their honor. But we live in a country that let's things happen before any laws are made to prevent it. Stupid as hell way to go about things. Sure people were manipulated, and still are being manipulated. But is that an excuse for attacking our country from within?
There is still cyber manipulation. This is how the radicalization campaign began and the trolls now only need to sustain the division and prevent civil, fact-based dialogue.
@@justsomedudeyouknow8372 on the one hand, there is no excuse. On the other, cults (which is what we're dealing with) kinda fuck with the idea of agency, which makes "blame" a shakey concept. The philosophy can get complicated (and dark) quickly. I've my own thoughts on where that eventually ends up, but in the end, it doesn't change the need to stop them no matter what.
"It's a super bad idea to give them martyrs." Correct. However, I would suggest that public patience for this movement has worn thin, and in the event of a second attack on our Capitol, the public would not object to blood on the stairs. Of course, the opposition knows that, so a second such attack will not occur, or at least not in this form. However, I'm going to respectfully disagree on the topic of punishment. Punishment is not for the benefit of the punished, but for the community, and not as a deterrent, but as a reassurance. "See this monster who was doing this monstrous thing? He's been punished. We are here to protect you, and will not allow such transgressions." In the case of Conald Sump, the enlightened majority cry out for justice against a man who has through wealth and scheming eluded accountability his entire life, and his continued evasion undermines our faith in laws and enforcement. Would I encourage capital punishment? Only for a few: the men who carried a Confederate flag into Congress, the troglodyte who beat an officer with a flagpole, flag still attached, and the ringleaders of groups like the Proud Boys. They understand the importance of symbols, so it seems appropriate they should become symbols of justice carried out. If the US can hang John Brown and survive, it can certainly hang Jody Bonespurs.
I believe the testimony of these insurrectionists is important to the country whether public patience is wearing thin or not. Fast punishments can lead to sweeping the problem under the rug and ignore the deeper issues that allowed this insurrection in the first place.
@@timnewman1172, Brown v State of Virginia was among the most problematic cases in legal history. The ethical and moral issues Brown presents are simply too enormous for a RUclips comment thread. The most I can manage is something Benet wrote about him, "the Lord that does not spare his friends shall not forget his foes." Let us hope it is so.
"Four Dead in Ohio." 4 words from Mr. Neil Young inspired by a similar incident that gave a major push to a movement at that time. Imagine the fallout from that kind of thing happening last January.
I'm old school I guess, an eye for an eye, and a society without any consequences for wrongdoing is doomed to fail. The problem we have today is the Justice system is in complete disarray and consequences are not being delivered proportionally or fairly.
Is testifying to a crime and having that crime viewable on the internet off ever not a consequence? To some living with ones stupid decisions and admitting they are wrong can be a consequence worst than death.
Their response can't be what it should because many in Government and positions of authority were, and remain complicit. They were only able to be manipulated because of the ills they harbored in their heart's anyway. They are adults not children. I'm against the death penalty. But the kid glove treatment invites a repeat. If it were ANY other people, they'd react in accordance to the crimes, and in accordance with the most severe applications of the law.
Once again, thank you for your video. After Appomattox Courthouse Gen Grant admonished the Union soldiers for celebrating their victory reminding them, "they are our countrymen again". They got the message and instead started saluting the Confederate soldiers. I hope a seminal moment like this is just over the horizon because our fellow countrymen of all persuasions need it.
And here I was wishing a fleet of helicopters with big loudspeakers, would fly in with Flight of the Valkyrie playing at full volume as they came in low. Oh well.
Unfortunately, the American political system that has been hijacked by big bucks and self-serving opportunists and hypocrites is too rotten to handle a straightforward and honest man such as Beau. Sad, but true.
@@erincaitlin1655 That's not why he won't run. He has talked about it before, so I won't speak for him here. Your description of him seems to be spot on though. Every once in a while, he will respond to this comment. Not very often though.
The sentences for those who engaged and attacked the police should be 10 years, minimum. Those who entered into the offices and chambers should get 3-5 years. The idiots who damaged fixtures and statues need 2-3 years and the rest should get 6-12 months. That's just the confinement. They should also be fined to help pay for the damage they caused.
Hope you have a Bless'ed New Year. Did a paper on Capitol punishment many moons ago. Went into it pro. Came out con. Not that any of them are innocent, getting information/justice is important. And showing democracy and justice works for the privileged.
Having been beaten, left for dead, spending months in the hospital. Then on a second event held at gunpoint for over 3 hours by a drugged out human version of Satan… I politely disagree. True, capital punishment does not deter crime. But it does make one less criminal. Yes, color me jaded. Sorry.
@@Erin-Thor Locking them up forever also makes one less. I too have experienced the violence you have. Part of getting better is not becoming like them.
@@littlebitofhope1489 -- Yes, but last I heard (as in ???) the cost to keep a person imprisoned was about $70k per year. I'm all for second chances, but at what point do we say 'We are DONE with you."?
I agree with everything you say here but I will add this: If any of those fools ever get involved in anything remotely like the 6th, the sentence the next time should be measured in decades. Forgiveness and tolerance once. If that doesn't work then 'throw the book at 'em' and throw away the key as well. If I were a sentencing judge, each 'easy' sentence would require some significant educational component with a test at the end (no, not education camps like in China. Real education with book lists and tests and high standards.) Those people were easily manipulated because they are staggeringly ignorant.
Every one of them convicted of a Federal crime have had their 2nd Amendment rights revoked, I'm thinking quite a few of them will be caught sometime in the future in possession of a gun, and if they are, that's (sadly) a much more serious offence. Edit: I just did some quick Googling and it looks like I'm not entirely correct, if you're a 'non-violent' offender, sometimes those rights are reinstated after serving your time (I'm sure it's more complex than JUST that, but you get the picture.) The vast majority of people charged with a crime that day are (like Beau said) just little fish lookie loo's that were pretty much just 'trespassing'.
I'm not an American, but I have been through a situation where an armed group of people (former army) violently took over the reigns of power in my country. I am from a small country in the northern part of South America (no..not Venezuela). I am commenting on this video because America and other superpowers influence all of us living on this planet. Beau is absolutely spot on with his analysis. If the gloves had come off on the government's side you would have had a serious bloodbath. This would have given the president a reason to declare matial law which would have halted everything regarding your election and have tightened his grip on your country. I also agree with Beau's assesment of capital punishment for the people in court now. It would be counter productive and VERY dangerous. What I and probaly many of citizens around the world are waiting for are verdicts for the people at the top who are responsible for the events of January 6th. Beau is right...the people on the ground that day have been manipulated into doing what they did...Even though that does not absolve them from their responsibility, the people that have pushed them to act on it should be held accountable.
I think you're mistaken. The military would not have gone along with that plan and were adamant that they would not do so. Neither would the courts. Our constitution is very clear about when a President's term ends and who assumes the role, even if there has been a catastrophic breakdown.
@@rylian21 You are absolutely right, but I wasn't talking about the military or the courts. That's not the way a coup works. If the protestors on Jan 6 had succeeded your whole system of government would have been immobilised..even your military.
@@rylian21 My country also had a constitution in the 80'....and when armed forces took over that same constitution was rendered useless. THAT's the way a coup works.
I have the highest respect for you. Voicing my thoughts in every way, every time. I agree very strongly on this episode. Life and strategy are a balance not a reaction. You have helped a regular guy and American get by better through a dark time. I see the Light at the end because of people like you. I believe a discussion on the frustration of seeing what we can do to help America back up. Maybe beyond prayer and healthy discussions, ( not that they are not critical). Again thanks.
👋🏾Add: It was all held and not used for other reasons too. And where was all of this restraint during the protests? There is no true justice anyways; so I don’t care.
The time to 'take the gloves off' was not Jan. 6th. The problem is that the time to take the gloves off is EVERY DAY IN COURT SINCE THEN and that is not being done. EVERY one of those fools on the 6th should be serving a minimum of 1 year in federal pen in addition to the mandatory minimum for whatever they are charged with simply due to the nature of what they did and where they did it... not getting 6 months probation like some of them are getting.
Remember some of these people are getting plea deals to cooperate in other cases. It is how the justice system works. Also some are taking plea deals where they plead guilty, without the expense and time it would take to try them. These things add up to removal of time served. I do however believe that all pleas should be for a felony charge. Remove their ability to vote and to own firearms forever.
I would love to see a recording of all the insurrectionists who plead guilty saying they were duped by Trump and regret what they did. Having 30-50 individuals say so on film would be beneficial.
Of course they would blame Trump and not themselves. The media had been blaming Trump since day one and people used Trump to deflect blame. I would have said that if I were in their shoes.
The GPO Dublin declaration of independence in 1916/wasn't so bloody or tectonic on the day iirc. The executions were later, and that's what ignited things properly. Watch the film Michael Collins
FYI there was a week of fighting after the declaration, ending 29th April, executions started 4 days later on 3rd May, lasting until 12th May. And yes, the executions changed the public mood drastically.
C’mon Beau, if some were “manipulated” into attempting to overthrow the government, and there is no “Capital Punishment” why have the stringent laws that we do. They could literally do whatever and skip merrily away!! Now where’s THAT morality?? Not one of them should have received probation if they were inside the Capital. But the thousands in the street may not have realized what was happening. They are the ONLY ones who should get a slap on the wrist. ‘’nough said.
@Chris Vail, That was then. While the British governed us, we had very little, if no, liberty. This is something different. I believe this was an organized coup attempt to install Dictator Trump into office. A coup attempt that had been in place for weeks. There should be a definite reckoning with those involved. I am astonished at the sheer number of people who actually want to “move on”.
My view on this is that the operators should not have been released to hunt - however, there should have been a more forceful approach (just not one with a 100% casualty rate). However, the people there that day should be charged with sedition (at the least) or terrorism (for the heaviest of charges) including all of the consequences of said charges which include revocation of citizenship. Any legal consequences are meant to deter the next person from committing the same crime.
When I heard that realtor - the one who flew in on a private jet - state that she wasn't going to jail because she had blonde hair and white skin, it burned. When she DID go to jail, I smiled, but it didn't erase the pain and outrage of knowing that racism is SO engraved in our national makeup that she felt utterly comfortable making such a statement, PUBLICLY.
If you and me and Mahesh had been standing next to each other, and had attempted to put push past a couple of capital police officers, in a riot line, the best you and I and her could all have hoped for would have been years in prison after we got out of the intensive care unit.
It is infuriating and disappointing to see the amount of people on here pretending that active bad actors, seeking to overthrow a lawful United States election, forcibly, violently and under arms entering the capital of the United States, should not have been treated like, and held to the same standards of, you or her or I.
Or that somehow their deaths on that day would have made special saints out of them among the rest of their bullies, but our deaths which almost certainly would have occurred, would do what? Turn into that particular kind of tragedy that dead brown and black bodies produce where everyone that looks like us and everyone that doesn't gets to feel bad about it but nothing actually changes?
I don't believe they would have become martyrs. I believe they would have become object lessons to the limits of tolerance for white supremacy.
And on some level, some of the people on here flinch at that.
You and me would have bled or died. Likely died. And certainly has been much longer in prison with less care.
But now people are stumbling over themselves excusing otherwise for them.
Yes. A lot of racism exists. I can only relate as a lower class worker. When I backpacked in Asia 40 yrs ago I saw that racism is everywhere and equally disgraceful. As a young keener I could see the Europeans weren’t the only race capable of atrocities
That said it’s kinda bad luck to be born in a geographical area that has chosen your race to be the oppressed one. And right now we can see the stupid ones who got, and welcomed permission to indulge in their hatred. Selfish dangerous fools, especially the leadership, trump et al
@@Jay-ho9io Indeed. It's one of those rare moments in which I do not share the sentiments of most folks in the comment section. As always, I appreciate your well-reasoned and clearly articulated input. I hope that you are well, Mr.!
@@cheriann6461 ❤️
Funny. It burns me that this country is so entirely ignorant of economic class that it sees the issue of someone flying a private jet to protest against the government as racially motivated. Protest what? That she doesn't have 2?
I want to know when the politicians that were involved are going to be held accountable…..
Agreed!
ME TOO
Don't hold your breath.
After the USA has another revolution. No way to achieve that under the current supreme court will ri-interpret the constitution.
But do you really want to overthrow the constitution in order to punish those who tried to overthrow it in a different direction? That might lose you the moral high ground...
I'm really torn on this. And I would love to hear Beau's opinions. Overall I'm glad there was so much restraint and I'm also in the camp that the sentencing so far has seemed appropriate. What makes me really angry is the fact that if it was anybody other than mostly white conservatives there is no way the restraint in force, or sentencing would be the same. If it was a group of people of color I don't think anyone could convince me it wouldn't have been a far more violent response.
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Which means we don't need harsher sentences for the Jan 6th people, we need to work for better sentences for POC.
@@ohana8535 you are absolutely right. I guess torn is the wrong word. I'm mostly just angry at the hypothetical injustice. Admittedly, saying it out loud, I realize that it's a terrible frame of mind. There are real injustices I could be angry at. It also makes me wish I was more capable to do activism.
After the fallout from Ruby Ridge and Waco, the government realized that there was a powder keg of white, anti-government militia all over the country. Their heavy handed tactics and lack of restraint gave anti-government sentiment a boost and the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building was retribution for how they handled RR and Waco. So now they handle them all with kid gloves for fear of sparking an uprising from splinter cells or sympathetic (and heavily armed) groups. I just commented to Beau to make a video on it because I'm sure he has a better way of conveying that.
Yeah if it was POC there wouldn't be anyone in jail because they would all be dead :\
I'm saddened this is even in doubt. I happen to be melanin challenged and I can say I have both spectrums in my family. I'm European by birth raised in Vegas grandparents in Durham N.C. Military family through and through. My father broke relationships with his family because of their views on race. He was their only child. He refused to raise his children that way. Peace y'all
The LEADERS need to be held to account. In the severest way possible. The dummies on the ground need jail, the organizers and leaders need to be made examples of.
Don't make an example out of the leader of a political movement. Someone does not even have to die to basically become a martyr. Instead, show their followers who they really are. Because with a bit of pressure, the type of person who wants other people to do their dirty work is just as likely to throw those same people under the bus. Don't make the followers feel like they are victims of anything other than the movement and the things, and people, who drove them to it.
@@Unsure_Auklet This is 100% how you break a movement. Killing the leaders just turns them into heros.
everyone of these idiots need to be convicted of felonies. spend time in jail. then they lose their gun rights that's the best thing that can happen right now
@@Unsure_Auklet that's great in theory, but these trumpsters have been shown over and over what the trumps, repub politicians, and Qanon are really like. They've seen, and cheered, as trump has thrown his sycophants under multiple buses, but still refuse to see that trump is a user, a narcissist, a manipulator, who will do the same to them. With the immanent threat of prison, *some* are realising their emperor is nothing but a naked toddler, but many still refuse to see it, and are threatening any who point it out.
@@fionaanderson5796 Trump has thrown allot of legal and political associates under the bus, yes. But to trump and his followers those were always just a means to an end. And as soon as they had outlived their usefulness as someone on "their side" they became more useful as a scapegoat. This seems to be because those people where never really "part" of the movement, but mistakenly saw it as a means to realize their own (horrible) goals. Something that is well documented to happen whenever undeniable fascists come to power and prominence. A few of those associates have also been getting into legal trouble, that did also not deter anyone from going for jan 6. I mean, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon or Rick Gates were never going to be one of their martyrs, even if they would be outright killed. You might ofc disagree, but this is kinda how I see it.
People have been manipulated to commit crimes all the time, and guess what, they're still guilty of committing a crime.
Not corporate crime tho. Corporations can legally commit homicide.
They are being sentenced. They aren't getting off except for maybe those in Congress who encouraged them. I hope that they do not get off.
100%, and these people will still get punished, but there's a lot of people out there that are calling for blood. And that's not a good answer.
Just the fact if tables were switched and it was the “left” that rushed capital building... the “right” would be screaming for the capital punishment....
Yep don't give them martyrs and don't give them something to die for. Let their actions speak for themselves and demonstrate the clowning that it was.
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It was an clown car full of would be revolutionaries, sad, pathetic, disgusting and yes, dangerous. Clowns can be killers, just ask the families of John Wayne Gacy's victims.
They have a martyr. Her name is Ashli Babbit.
@@TheBarkinFrog No, she was definitely not innocent, which is a requirement for martyrdom.
@@ljohnson2181 Absolutely wrong. In this instance a martyr is simply a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle
Not only that, but in the minds of the Trumpublicans, she was innocent, and she gave her defending freedom and democracy.
In the grand scheme of life, Beau is so wise for his brief existence. I have the utmost respect for his thoughtful consideration of the most important events of our times. I learn something valuable from each of his videos. Sure do wish that our future politicians and representatives in government were as thought-provoking and forward-thinking as Beau.
I might vote for a politician if they were wise enough to even say that they watched and understood this channel. That would at least be a step in the right direction!
Beau has read more books this week than most of be GOP has last year
That is a fact
If only!
You are right on point. He has an amazing view of life and has a gift in the way he explains it.
It is a good thing that someone remembered "discretion is the better part of valor "
Thank you Beau, it has been a very perplexing situation for me being a Vietnam Veteran, and all the protests and loss of life on all sides that accompanied that war, and coming from a family like so many others that had so many Veterans from WWI, WWII, KOREA, and as I said Vietnam.
I am typical third generation American, and the pride in America and what it stood for in an apple pie sense, caused a great deal of anger at the unashamedly disregard and disrespect by 45 for the average Americans, and pandering to our lesser angels by calling the war dead “ losers and suckers” cut deeply.
The fact he and several members of the House and Senate participated in the failed insurrection on January 6th cut deeply into the fabric of our nation, and I know the shame and pain from that cut is difficult to live with knowing there still are citizens and politicians who continue to fabricate lies and distractions to attempt to gain power and profit for them selves is a bitter pill to be offered, that being said I agree with your assessment of the ongoing handling by our justice system thus far but, from both a moral and pragmatic stance I believe Americans need to know the truth about everyone involved and let the punishment fit the crimes.
We have a saying in Germany : Unwissenheit schützt vor Strafe nicht. Roughly translates to: ignorance doesn’t help you to escape punishment. So even if you’re not aware of doing something wrong or illegal, you’re still culpable
In the USA, we say "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." with a similar understanding.
@@jimmymcreynolds4284 If you are talking about those people that get pulled over for having air-fresheners hanging from their rearview mirror. They know the law, they have repeatedly claimed that the law only exists to harass black people, but they keep hanging things from the mirror. Knowing it is illegal and knowing that they are going to be pulled over and harassed for it; ZERO sympathy.
While I agree that ignorance of the law is no excuse, you have to consider that some of these people are mentally disabled. Would you throw a 30 year old man with Down syndrome in jail for stealing something because he didn't understand that you can't just pick something up and walk off with it? What would be the point? Sure, you're punishing him, but he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand what he did wrong or why he's being punished, so you're not going to be able to change his behaviour.
The same goes for people who hear the President of their country tell them that the election has been stolen by the opposition and that if they don't "fight", then they're going to wake up in the United Soviet Socialist States of America tomorrow and believe that he's telling them the literal truth.
Plus, can you really punish the people who showed up to the riot while not even remotely holding the people that convinced them to go there accountable? Mo Brooks stood on a stage and screamed into a microphone that they were going to march down to the Capital and kick some ass right before the riot. There's no question that he was one of the ringleaders and that he was clearly advocating for violence against the government of which he is a member. And what happened to him? Was he arrested? Charged, tried, and convicted of sedition? Removed from office? NOPE. He still holds office and is actively working against all and any investigations into the events that took place that day. How is it fair to let that slide but punish some moron who listened to him and threw a rock through a window at the Capital?
@@bblvrable The inciters need punishment.
Heck at least indict a few of them.
@@bblvrable Yes. Make an example for those that are not disabled. Apparently. Nothing. No. No. No. It isn't fair, but same with life.
You can't reform the disparity by handing out merciful sentences to those who are already privileged, and expect them to somehow pay it forward. Let them rot in jail - then maybe we'll see sentencing reform once it becomes an issue they are forced to reckon with.
I agree handling these people with kid gloves is one of the reasons we are in this position in the first place. Because instead of cutting off the head of the snake at the end of the Civil War we tried to move forward and reunite the country. Which and no way helps. People who commit treason should pay for their behavior. Those who led the Civil War should have been tried and hung to send a message and their families should have had everything confiscated so that no other landholder would wish to possibly sacrifice their Holdings. Make American Justice equal use the sentence you would for the lowest common denominator i.e. people of color.
I don't always totally agree with you, but there is no doubt that you have a piercing intellectual viewpoint that seems to get to the most powerful points in these discussions. I hope you have an increasing influence in this hurting country. We need more voices that sing both to liberty and compassion.
Plenty of voices, we need action. Dem constituents stay silent...... On the couch..... Shameful 🤬
@@dawnoceanside7300 It's voices that incite action. Ask yourself what actions are you taking to change things rather than critiquing those who do speak up for change.
The ringleaders, many of whom are elected officials, should be held accountable for using these confused and gullible pawns in their warped political power games. Then, real real justice would be served.
The difference between how the transnational white power movement is treated by the legal system, and how BLM is treated by the justice system is conspicuous.
There is a strong perception that the response would have been much more “heavy handed” if the insurrectionist were a different demographic or political persuasion (Kyle Rittenhouse). The breach of the Capitol Building would not have succeeded under those different circumstances.
Just imagine if this was a group of African American males infiltrated by the violent aspects of the Black Panthers. Would any of them be leave the capital on their own two feet? The response was a perfect example of why America is racist.
You speak true.
@@swang30 they wouldn’t have gotten within 100 meters of the building. The law enforcement reaction to the notification of a Afro-descendant peaceful protest garners a heavy-handed reaction that is often violent BECAUSE of the law enforcement. Sadly, the violent reaction of law enforcement to an Afro-descendant protest, resulting in sever injuries and death, would not have caused a raised voice, not to mention a collective response. In fact, many would justify the response based on the systemic / cultural criminalization of Afro-descendant people (racial stereotyping). THE RESPONSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT AND WE DON’T HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THAT FACT TO KNOW CONCLUSIVELY.
In the real world; They never came close to doing anything like that, but the fbi still murdered them. So in your hypothetical, surely the response would be even worse, with arbitrary reprisals on anyone associated with them.
@@randcall5933 hush boy
Howdy fellow internet people, I'm a student of criminal justice. I'd like to echo Beau on this one. Revenge was the point of the most archaic criminal codes (eye for an eye) and we can do *much* better these days. Indeed, we have Dept of *Corrections* and humane treatment is a focus right behind safety and security.
Even a month has a huge impact on a person's life, just ask anyone that can't afford bail.
Yes , but until we affect these changes in the laws, can we not hold those who support said laws accountable under said laws? Reason doesn't seem to be working 200+ yrs of this same mindset from the same subset of "Americans?".
I agree with every bit of your thoughts. Ashli Babbitt is a good example of the result of the PR gift that a martyr is to the Cult Messengers.
Ashli Babbitt family should be ashamed that her death is being used to fuel the so-called "election was stolen" B.S. The entire world saw what happen. There are videos and videos of what happened. There is a testimony from the guy that was standing next to her when it happen. Yes, they did try to save her life. The EMT was there helping her out even as they are surrounded by rioters that minutes ago were trying to break the door down. Notice how smarter the rioters have become after one of them was shot.
Exactly
The Babbitt talking point is easily dismissed with one of their own talking points: she just should have complied with the officer.
Why not make the guy that tazed himself in the nuts and died of a heart attack a martyr as well?
@@teax25 They should be ashamed, but they see it as payout now. Her family has filed a lawsuit against Capitol Police for 10 million dollars. They won't win of course.
Disgusting all the way around, her disgusting behavior, the disgusting result of her behavior, the disgusting behavior of her family, the disgusting behavior of the political party who as elevated her as a political prop.
She died a tool. Her family should be suing the perpetrators of the big lie for using her as a tool.
A lot of the moral argument comes down to exactly what my mother used to say when any of us kids tried the "but they started it!" excuse: "Two wrongs never make a right"
Worse, they are not a practical way to get good things.
But a good left hook makes bullies consider thier choices that day
In maths they do.
Seeing how hard people who supported the actions are trying to canonize someone who got shot going through a broken window, I can't imagine how much worse the rhetoric would be if the body count was higher.
Exactly.
Yet, seeing what they faced, had the protesters been of a different "hue", blood would have flooded, bodies would have been piled, and the same people would be making up a different set of lies to justify it.
We are, quite ironically, not a nation of equals.
That chick who got shot was also the only fatality of that day.
@@wilb6657 I call bullshit. There was also one of your "hero's" that tazed himself in the nuts and had a heart attack and died and a couple of idjits that got trampled. Why don't you make them marytars?
All hail Trump
Many of them want to be martyrs. Letting them spend the rest of their lives living with the consequences of their actions is a worse punishment.
Dying is easy. Living is harder.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.," Ghandi
Perfect 👍🤙✌️
Cherish the ones with patience and a vision, because they will always save the world.
You're a better person than most of us Beau!
No, he just has a better grasp of history and the consequences of meeting violence with violence. "It's the same old theme since 1916/ In your head, in your head, they're still fighting. . "
Better than I.
so true.
@@pricklypear7516 Why does that mean he isn't a better person than us?
Capital punishment should never be countenanced under any circumstances. The US is very backward in that regard.
The only consequence which will really help prevent this sort of thing occuring in the future is political. Voting for anyone calling themselves a Republican (in the USA) at this point should be unthinkable for a sane person. Sadly, people suck
Absolutely! Same for Democrat
@Karl Dubhe The problem is willingness to accept "lesser of two evils" as some kind of acceptable compromise, along with your foul language
@@MarcillaSmith : The apathy and or pride to allow the greater of two evils to win because a person thinks it's okay to let others do all all of the dirty work and heavy lifting is exactly why this country is so F'd up.
There are 95 million of you non-voters, and since we know that conservatives almost always vote, we know that nearly all of that 95 million lean to the left. I blame them (and myself too for the years I didn't vote).
@@aylbdrmadison1051 Your argument, while it has its historical precedents, failed to win over the court at Nuremburg. The greater of two evils is to choose to participate
@@MarcillaSmith Our capitol and our constitution were attacked by right wing extremists, and your concern is language. Reexamine your priorities.
My greatest concern about all of this is how *everyone* is treating the issue. When the idea that a force opposing the government is *inherently* bad no matter what their ideas are, it brings me great worry for the future. What if a genuine revolutionary force comes along in the future who wants to replace the US with something genuinely better? Not people with fascist aims in mind in the slightest, but rather people who want to build a country with the rights and protection of minorities as a priority along with anti-corruption measures and so much more that we say every day that this country needs to be. What happens if they come along when the US government is just too far beyond saving (which honestly seems like its only a few decades away, in my opinion)? Are they going to be called traitors by the working class just because they wanted to topple the government? Its staggering how much more loyal people are to the US as an idea rather than being loyal to the people who live in its grasp.
The Black Panthers - along with the LGBTQ+ community and most Socialist, Communist, and Anarchist sects residing in the US - would like to have a word with you.
Morally, only the people at the top should face the extreme repercussions... but we live in a world where the villain can win. It's an immoral world with immoral justice... until that is fixed we can only deter this stuff.
Morally, everyone who tried to overthrow the government should pay a price commensurate with their crime.
The cultists think they they are moral, and the villains believe they are heroes. Very difficult to combat this.
Give them a one way ticket to the country of their choice. Hang the rest.
@@TheNoobzoid But the perished don’t think anything at all.
My opinion...
Don't physically fight back.
Be the better example of our collective humanity.
They seem to be literally begging for us to flinch, to show a "tell," or to not keep the "higher" ground.
Or mearly F-up greater than Benghazi? Lol
(As if that was nearly as bad or in the same ballpark as 1/06?)
And use our slip for twisting the truth.
It's retaliation over nothing.
After a rediculously fair and secure election.
With zero court turnovers, zero proved evidence to the contrary.
Where the popular vote won handily.
There are more if us.
Just less vocal?
We, that stay to this code of love and tollarence, are the better for it.
The modest and humble humans without inherent arrogance or judgement. We patiently try to find ways to keep peace and harmony.
It seems a larger task these last few years.
Thanks you Beau for what you do!
Yaaaaaaaay Applied Ethics!!!!!!!!!
Beau, my feelings are that yes, sentences are appropriate. I want the top people to be charged. And I agree with you on the fallout. I was a correction officer in WA State Penitentiary, in my 20s, for 2 years mid 80s. I went in strongly pro death penalty. Changed. I realized how the most horrific offenders, (child molester, mutilate and or killer, and other serial type are few between. From what I saw, death row was more a matter of class and power. So were long sentences. And I was never a sympathizer! But facts are facts and lawyers matter. 👍🥰💖✌
Could I get your opinion/expertise on a related topic? There's someone I'm around often who's a "tough on crime" proponent, and my counterpoint is that most people who commit crimes do it without weighing the risk/reward of getting caught; either they don't expect to get caught or their immediate needs outweigh any moral (let alone legal) objections; but I'm saying that based mostly on academic studies and personal experiences with people committing minor crimes (speeding, petty theft, etc.). I'd be curious to hear if you have any insight about that on the more "serious" end of the spectrum 🙂
@@Ash__Adler I'm by no means an expert. But from what I saw, many has uncontrollable urges, and even warned people they were going to do things. And of the three serial rapists I had dealings with, (Kevin Coe was one, the other 2 were also famous, but I can't remember their names or sobriguets) I noticed a weird thing. In all 3, their mothers treated them like a lover in a way, while dad was wimpy, super passive. It just seemed weird to me. One guy in McNeil Island, not where I worked, was in for a brutal assault and rape. He told the prison board that if he got out, he'd 'find the bitch who put him in and kill her'. A couple years later, per law, he was lowered to minimum security. Sent on work detail , near Seattle, he left it. Found her, and her neighbor, two nurses, and the neighbor's 8year old daughter. He tortured and raped all 3 for about 6 hours. Then slit their throats, went to a bar and bragged about it. Didn't fight at all when picked back up, but then he came to where I was, in WallaWalla. But I never worked Maximum or death row, where he was. Most of the inmates I worked with were medium. Some truly heinous crimes, but those were old and lifers. Most were as you called it petty. But the sad thing was, a lot had very long sentences, lengthened again inside for various reasons. But the majority were poor and uneducated. Plus, we, as guards, (COS, lol) were told that stats showed that 85 to 90 % of the crimes involved alcohol and drugs, namely, amphetamines. Plus, now we know that the human brain, the frontal cortex, isn't even mature until our 20s. ! We've learned a lot in the last 30 years, about the brain. I don't know the answers to any of it, but I know that here and now, just as back in the 80s, those who can afford great lawyers, or sometimes even a judges bias, often means more than the crime committed. And that is why I'm no longer so Gung Ho on 'law and order'. 🥰✌
@@laurajarrell6187 : That was a very interesting read. Thank you for that, and Ash for asking the question.
Indeed the worst part of our justice system is it is built on conservative-capitalism. It's about profit, not justice.
@@laurajarrell6187 Thanks for sharing all that 🙂
@@Ash__Adler Sorry it got so long! When I realized, I finally shut up!😁🥰✌
Receiving a consequence for one’s action isn’t revenge .
When we try to teach children consequences of their actions, like acting contrary to known rules, information and expectations or being quick to act without pausing to think- learning that behavior at least to results and the results lead to negative consequences must be demonstrated- we attempt to do this while they’re young enough that the poor decisions they’ve made aren’t immediately life changing or life-threatening; we don’t do it for revenge.
We do as a reflection of our love and concern and as a learning experience so that they understand they’re not free to operate without any moral or ethical restraints and won’t continue do so to their lasting detriment in the future.
Not one of these individuals were children. Despite their myriad of excuses they all managed to get where they were, decided to stay and to participate if only lend camouflage and moral support.
No one forced them on planes trains & automobiles buses or cars and transported them there against their will.
If they’re mentally incompetent they can still receive a consequence; hopefully that consequence will be help to get them on a more stable mental setting.
In my opinion testifying in court for these crimes is a better and more teachable punishment than the death penalty in this case. Testifying removes their hero/martyr status, makes creating a mythology around the event harder, and shows in detail that the only heroes here were the security guards trying to deescalate things.
Also, it should be taken as a rule that mentally unstable people don't get scared into a healthier mental state. Healthier mental states are generally made possible with professional help.
Pragmatically speaking, you could just drop orange boy off with the Iranians as a good will gesture to undo some of his damage. It was his coup.
More in favor of an international trial, but I'd be perfectly happy to let them pull the lever of his platform, and we've got plenty of other war criminals from high positions of power we could extend a similar invitation for to other countries they have committed crimes against.
Honestly, we have more of them than we have countries we have done wrong....and I'm having a hard time thinking of any existing country we _haven't._
@@dynamicworlds1 coming from an ex empire I sympathise. I could think of a few people we should hand over by way of apology to various countries..
💝 or with the Khurd's
If one person gets charged with murder in a mob.Then, the charge spreads to the mob. All of the participants, especially if a cop dies . Did everyone forget that ? That's how I've seen it on the First 48. Strange how that didn't happen 1-6-20. Double standard??
My recollection is that there were traitors among the Capitol Police, aiding the insurrection. Have these procedural changes done something about that?
Trump stoked this for a long time. From the debates “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by” right up the speech calling for all to March to the Capitol and “fight like hell”.
And like he’s done for so long, he’s committed crimes in broad daylight.
Because of the fence taking down? I saw a article about that. They were falling back and trying to not have the people take the fence and throw it at them. I think that's what happened is been a year since I read the article
@@Leonaza7 Do you remember the times he had people roughed up at his rallies? That was the start. He Dog Whistled a looooong time before 1/6.
@Leonaza7 : For anyone who doubts what Leonaza is saying here..
Can you say: _photo-op?_ lols
@@littlebitofhope1489 FACTS
I think that each and every single one of them should be charged as felons. Even those who got a slap on the wrist. We need to strip them of their rights to vote and own a gun. These people have no right to have a voice in politics anymore.
Stampede! who's at fault the cattle or the wolves who instigated it. you don't kill the cows you eliminate the particular wolf pack involved. (note metaphor -don't kill real wolves )
I’m still more annoyed by the fact that my tax money went to police who didn’t use their regular policy of shooting suspects when they feel that their life is in danger. When they were literally attempting a coup.
Thanks Beau, I had this discussion earlier and could not put this argument into words as well as you did, but now I can.
@@dannyd-rockmahaffey3087 Howdy, new troll.
For real, everyday people there is a law regarding "home invasions", which states that if someone died during the home invasion. The "invaders" can be charged with manslaughter (I believe... don't know the exact wording of the actual law) The point I'm making is: That the law should be applied to EVERY ONE of the "Capital invaders"!!!
That would be neither feasible nor fair. People died during the BLM riots too. Should ALL the protestors be held accountable? Both sets of circumstances started out as perfectly legal gatherings. Not until destruction ensued or law enforcement personnel were attacked did the line between legal and criminal get crossed. A good many of the Capitol Riot idiots are ONLY being charged with "Entering a restricted building," as is proper.
Felony murder is the charge.
Yes it should
Agree 100%.
@@pricklypear7516 The difference is that it was Law Enforcement who attacked protesters at the BLM protests.
...and this is why I listen to your videos, Beau.
The short answer to your first question is yes.
I think treason is one of those rare instances, where death IS a deterrent.
Disagree. Treason is the classic offence where the perp believes they will succeed and that the new regime will absolve them.
Zero deterrance then.
It's the essential distinction between retributive and restorative justice. Unfortunately, America has a long history of retributive justice; it tends to be our default stance to any situation. If our goal is to actually fix things, we have to start looking at restorative justice.
You see that a lot with damages granted to plaintiffs. I live in Europe and I constantly have to explain why people are granted settlements for uncountable millions in the US (Pharma/tobacco).
Retribution is easier. Restoration takes work.
The entirety of Laws against negligence are based on restorative justice.
That is a very interesting topic. Originally, "penitentiary' was conceived of as a place for penitence with religious overtones, then came retribution, and interludes of education and reform through work or hobbies. There are a couple of strange notions going around that the awfulness of our prisons is a strong inducement not to get sent there [it doesn't seem to work that way], and some suggest that life in prison is worse than capital punishment. Would people given life, or who are on death row, avail themselves of "death with dignity" if it were offered? There are lots of questions, but most of our answers are bad, as a look at European systems would show us in many cases [though a few countries there and elsewhere are too lenient, with a recidivism problem].
@@Alexis84DE : I'm unsure if you are talking about retributive or restorative justice. That is restorative justice, because unless the cost to the companies is in the millions, it's not even a tiny scratch to them and they will continue to hurt and kill people. Nothing would change otherwise, so the cost must be enough to cause a restorative reaction from the company, government agency, or extremely powerful entity, such as a billionaire.
We pray for this nation
What is it? “Beware of the business of hunting monsters, lest you become one.” Something like that
Punishment - yes
Capital Punishment - no
Get the string pullers - the puppeteers.
Conservatives - we want a small government that has minimal power over people.
Also Conservatives - we think the government should have power of life and death over any and every person.
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And over the bodies of women (see Texas' repugnant new anti-abortion law).
Also also Conservatives (but only when we want to enforce that power. It will not be equitable)
Both sides are saying the same thing on different issues.
I have been following you for years and I wish you would run for President I am completely serious about this
OMG…this is insane Guys. Thanks for addressing it Beau. Such a rough situation.
Please report the spambot.
@@grmpEqweer Done, makes sure you're reporting AGNEZ and not laura L guys
@@grmpEqweer I reported it (Agnez) as well.
@@grmpEqweer I keep reporting. It never seems to work.
@@littlebitofhope1489 This site seems to be the biggest target, and the Lords of the Media are known to favor the right-wing, could it be intentional that nothing is done to prevent it? Conspiracy theories are almost always bunk, but in this case it might not be.
It's wrong to seek capital punishment against people who were tricked into committing a crime.
These people who say they've been duped are the same people who will vote 4 Trump in 2024.
Right ??? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Trump will never hold public office again. We as the people will make sure of it. Any president who tries to overthrow the government to remain in power should never ever be able to hold public office. Trump's a coward he can't take losing again.
@@dianedavidson7977 you keep believing that but I promise yall, here in Texas and other states they are gonna win the mid terms abd in 2024. So yall get ready
@@dianedavidson7977 I pray ur right or our country as we know it will b lost 2 the greedy, power-hungry & insane republicans.
I love how you break everything down. Straight knowledge.
You just have to look at ruby ridge and how that ended up. I remember a lot of people sided with them that would normally stand against them all because the gov stepped in.
Beau, I was born ans raised n Belfast. I;m impressed by your umdestanding of our (your and my) history and how much knowledge of it might, with hope, prevent the same ccurrences occur in your country.. Thank you for saving my ords.
Those songs are INDEED still played; my brother's got a Master's in Irish Music Performance and he's told me the story of the Easter massacre a few times, and how one of Ireland's greatest songwriters of the time was one of the victims.
indeed, not to mention the same message is still sung of even in modern music. The Cranberries: Zombie, and U2: Bloody Sunday. So something of that ilk will profoundly resonate for a long time with a people.
Sinbad O'Connor version with the Chieftains is hauntingly beautiful, and chilling.
Unfortunately, most of the people slaughtered by the imperialist Brits were scholars, philosophers and artists. That's the price the Irish had to pay to liberate three quarters of the country !
I really like and appreciate your perspective. Makes so much sense. Thank you again.
How long before this all becomes public? Its going to get really interesting.
Two thoughts: If you send in the goons to reclaim the building and whoever fails to hit the deck gets introduced to the deck by way of firearm, that's one thing. I'd shed no tears. I'm not a kind person by default, and my patience for these people is thoroughly exhausted. Every one of them that dies IS a waste, yes, but they were already a waste, actively spreading that waste wherever they go. Once they're dead, they're gone, and they can't cause any more harm. From a cynical trolley problem perspective, Republicans have accidentally been laying the tracks to a better future on top of their corpses as they voluntarily die for their stupid ideas. However...
Once the dust is settled, I am utterly against the death penalty. I am against executing prisoners for ethical reasons rather than moral reasons. It's one thing to deliberately and violently suppress a threat. It's entirely another to kill someone whose only remaining tool is their voice.
If you're a Nazi and you died, it's your fault.
If you're a Nazi and you died, it's your fault.
You tried to overthrow the state
At your little tyrant's dictates,
If you're a Nazi and you died, it's your fault.
But if you're a Nazi in a cell, settle in.
If you're a Nazi in a cell, settle in.
You got five years in the corner
But it's better than the coroner.
If you're a Nazi in a cell, settle in.
Beau, I agree with what you're saying.
I just keep thinking, if it was BLM, what would've happened???
That's what I was thinking as I watched it.
Jan 6th and the way it was handled showed the world that yes, indeed these right-wing extremists mean business although misled.
Yes, go for the big fish.
✋🤞✌️it’s hard to get truth and reconciliation when justice is stonewalled…
Fifth! At the Fifth Column! 🥳💐👍🏾 and Hi!! 🙂👋🏾
There is no attempt for Justice even. It’s just a big show. This is the pre pre campaign.
@@d123mahesh2 🥰✌
Can't get justice when truth cannot be agreed upon.
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I 100% agree with you. Amazing takes in this video. Thank you so much for everything you do!
You really nailed the point home for me with the disparity of the sentencing. I know LOTS of people and have been myself locked up for a plant. Its another law I don't agree with, but some people died during a felonious act by American laws that's murder(no matter what caused the death), there's many ridiculous examples of this being enforced. I want to see that carried out here, but that's just me being angry.
You are such a great man. I wish you would run for office.
I also don't believe in capital punishment. I pragmatically feel not all felt they were manipulated and still have a mindset geared towards wanting more.
I knew before 2016 vote that there was cyber manipulation. What do any of you think of that?
I agree. I also saw it coming. That is when I left all social media, at the beginning of 2016. (I don't consider RUclips social media.)
@@SamSolasdonSaol I mean, technically it is....but lesser evil. For as bad as RUclips is, pretty much everything else is worse.
There are so many extremists in this country that want America to burn, want to seize power for themselves and rule, and have been here for many many decades. We let this happen by allowing the confederacy and it's supporters to name schools after traitors and build statues in their honor. But we live in a country that let's things happen before any laws are made to prevent it. Stupid as hell way to go about things. Sure people were manipulated, and still are being manipulated. But is that an excuse for attacking our country from within?
There is still cyber manipulation. This is how the radicalization campaign began and the trolls now only need to sustain the division and prevent civil, fact-based dialogue.
@@justsomedudeyouknow8372 on the one hand, there is no excuse. On the other, cults (which is what we're dealing with) kinda fuck with the idea of agency, which makes "blame" a shakey concept. The philosophy can get complicated (and dark) quickly.
I've my own thoughts on where that eventually ends up, but in the end, it doesn't change the need to stop them no matter what.
"It's a super bad idea to give them martyrs."
Correct. However, I would suggest that public patience for this movement has worn thin, and in the event of a second attack on our Capitol, the public would not object to blood on the stairs. Of course, the opposition knows that, so a second such attack will not occur, or at least not in this form.
However, I'm going to respectfully disagree on the topic of punishment. Punishment is not for the benefit of the punished, but for the community, and not as a deterrent, but as a reassurance. "See this monster who was doing this monstrous thing? He's been punished. We are here to protect you, and will not allow such transgressions." In the case of Conald Sump, the enlightened majority cry out for justice against a man who has through wealth and scheming eluded accountability his entire life, and his continued evasion undermines our faith in laws and enforcement.
Would I encourage capital punishment? Only for a few: the men who carried a Confederate flag into Congress, the troglodyte who beat an officer with a flagpole, flag still attached, and the ringleaders of groups like the Proud Boys. They understand the importance of symbols, so it seems appropriate they should become symbols of justice carried out.
If the US can hang John Brown and survive, it can certainly hang Jody Bonespurs.
Thks for the words
@@mcdjinn6975 even though his cause was right, John Brown was an insurrectionist and a terrorist!
I believe the testimony of these insurrectionists is important to the country whether public patience is wearing thin or not. Fast punishments can lead to sweeping the problem under the rug and ignore the deeper issues that allowed this insurrection in the first place.
@@timnewman1172, Brown v State of Virginia was among the most problematic cases in legal history. The ethical and moral issues Brown presents are simply too enormous for a RUclips comment thread.
The most I can manage is something Benet wrote about him, "the Lord that does not spare his friends shall not forget his foes." Let us hope it is so.
I am sure we would survive putting a few ring leaders to death. However, they would become a symbol of white power and that would be bad.
"Four Dead in Ohio."
4 words from Mr. Neil Young inspired by a similar incident that gave a major push to a movement at that time.
Imagine the fallout from that kind of thing happening last January.
Thank you so much Beau for your thoughtful take on this.
I'm old school I guess, an eye for an eye, and a society without any consequences for wrongdoing is doomed to fail. The problem we have today is the Justice system is in complete disarray and consequences are not being delivered proportionally or fairly.
Is testifying to a crime and having that crime viewable on the internet off ever not a consequence? To some living with ones stupid decisions and admitting they are wrong can be a consequence worst than death.
I'm a pacifist and opposed to capitol punishment, but there is this little voice that wonders if overthrowing the Govt might just qualify.
Their response can't be what it should because many in Government and positions of authority were, and remain complicit.
They were only able to be manipulated because of the ills they harbored in their heart's anyway. They are adults not children.
I'm against the death penalty. But the kid glove treatment invites a repeat.
If it were ANY other people, they'd react in accordance to the crimes, and in accordance with the most severe applications of the law.
They do what they do because libs are way to nice and try to be high minded and fair.
@@Theinfamouskiki411 well, for a certain definition of "fair"
Thank you for your informative common sense videos!!!!
Deescalation 101 is a lot like judo: yield and allow the opponent to fall on their own. :-)
“Two wrongs don’t make a right”.
A great number were just dumbells wandering around playing follow-the-leader, while a different segment definitely intended harm.
Once again, thank you for your video. After Appomattox Courthouse Gen Grant admonished the Union soldiers for celebrating their victory reminding them, "they are our countrymen again". They got the message and instead started saluting the Confederate soldiers. I hope a seminal moment like this is just over the horizon because our fellow countrymen of all persuasions need it.
And here I was wishing a fleet of helicopters with big loudspeakers, would fly in with Flight of the Valkyrie playing at full volume as they came in low. Oh well.
Similar idea, but Thunderstruck playing instead.
Very thoughtful.
I admire the intelligence you , and a lot of the people in the comments here display.
You should run for public office, Beau.
He doesn't want to.
Unfortunately, the American political system that has been hijacked by big bucks and self-serving opportunists and hypocrites is too rotten to handle a straightforward and honest man such as Beau. Sad, but true.
@@erincaitlin1655 That's not why he won't run. He has talked about it before, so I won't speak for him here. Your description of him seems to be spot on though. Every once in a while, he will respond to this comment. Not very often though.
Beau of the Fifth Column, you are politically brilliant and a very wise man.
The sentences for those who engaged and attacked the police should be 10 years, minimum. Those who entered into the offices and chambers should get 3-5 years. The idiots who damaged fixtures and statues need 2-3 years and the rest should get 6-12 months. That's just the confinement. They should also be fined to help pay for the damage they caused.
That should be IN ADDITION TO other charges for things like stealing federal documents, laptops, and fixtures.
I believe they should spend the rest of their lives in Jail. Most of all they need to see America move forward!
Hope you have a Bless'ed New Year.
Did a paper on Capitol punishment many moons ago.
Went into it pro. Came out con.
Not that any of them are innocent, getting information/justice is important.
And showing democracy and justice works for the privileged.
Same here. Worked in a Capitol case and it's medieval. Life in prison is good enough, you can't ever trust Traitors.
Having been beaten, left for dead, spending months in the hospital. Then on a second event held at gunpoint for over 3 hours by a drugged out human version of Satan… I politely disagree. True, capital punishment does not deter crime. But it does make one less criminal. Yes, color me jaded. Sorry.
@@Erin-Thor Jaded with reason. Understandable. In some cases. Better that ones like that are taken out at the time, if possible. 🥰✌
@@Erin-Thor Locking them up forever also makes one less. I too have experienced the violence you have. Part of getting better is not becoming like them.
@@littlebitofhope1489 -- Yes, but last I heard (as in ???) the cost to keep a person imprisoned was about $70k per year. I'm all for second chances, but at what point do we say 'We are DONE with you."?
The voice of reason as always.
I agree with everything you say here but I will add this: If any of those fools ever get involved in anything remotely like the 6th, the sentence the next time should be measured in decades. Forgiveness and tolerance once. If that doesn't work then 'throw the book at 'em' and throw away the key as well. If I were a sentencing judge, each 'easy' sentence would require some significant educational component with a test at the end (no, not education camps like in China. Real education with book lists and tests and high standards.) Those people were easily manipulated because they are staggeringly ignorant.
Every one of them convicted of a Federal crime have had their 2nd Amendment rights revoked, I'm thinking quite a few of them will be caught sometime in the future in possession of a gun, and if they are, that's (sadly) a much more serious offence.
Edit: I just did some quick Googling and it looks like I'm not entirely correct, if you're a 'non-violent' offender, sometimes those rights are reinstated after serving your time (I'm sure it's more complex than JUST that, but you get the picture.) The vast majority of people charged with a crime that day are (like Beau said) just little fish lookie loo's that were pretty much just 'trespassing'.
People need to start caring more about the country instead of hating the opposition.
I'm not an American, but I have been through a situation where an armed group of people (former army) violently took over the reigns of power in my country. I am from a small country in the northern part of South America (no..not Venezuela). I am commenting on this video because America and other superpowers influence all of us living on this planet. Beau is absolutely spot on with his analysis. If the gloves had come off on the government's side you would have had a serious bloodbath. This would have given the president a reason to declare matial law which would have halted everything regarding your election and have tightened his grip on your country. I also agree with Beau's assesment of capital punishment for the people in court now. It would be counter productive and VERY dangerous. What I and probaly many of citizens around the world are waiting for are verdicts for the people at the top who are responsible for the events of January 6th. Beau is right...the people on the ground that day have been manipulated into doing what they did...Even though that does not absolve them from their responsibility, the people that have pushed them to act on it should be held accountable.
Thank you for your very interesting and frightening perspective. A serious bloodbath might indeed still be going on.
@@eric2500 I really hope not. A coup is something I do not wish on any people living in a democracy.
I think you're mistaken. The military would not have gone along with that plan and were adamant that they would not do so. Neither would the courts. Our constitution is very clear about when a President's term ends and who assumes the role, even if there has been a catastrophic breakdown.
@@rylian21 You are absolutely right, but I wasn't talking about the military or the courts. That's not the way a coup works. If the protestors on Jan 6 had succeeded your whole system of government would have been immobilised..even your military.
@@rylian21 My country also had a constitution in the 80'....and when armed forces took over that same constitution was rendered useless. THAT's the way a coup works.
I have the highest respect for you. Voicing my thoughts in every way, every time. I agree very strongly on this episode. Life and strategy are a balance not a reaction. You have helped a regular guy and American get by better through a dark time. I see the Light at the end because of people like you.
I believe a discussion on the frustration of seeing what we can do to help America back up. Maybe beyond prayer and healthy discussions, ( not that they are not critical). Again thanks.
👋🏾Add: It was all held and not used for other reasons too. And where was all of this restraint during the protests? There is no true justice anyways; so I don’t care.
fourth! 🥳
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hypocrisy drives me nuts, too
@@briansmutti That’s all I can think about during these cases. One rule for them one rule for those with more melanin.
@@d123mahesh2
i know 😭
it’s disgusting
100% with you on this, Beau.
The time to 'take the gloves off' was not Jan. 6th.
The problem is that the time to take the gloves off is EVERY DAY IN COURT SINCE THEN and that is not being done.
EVERY one of those fools on the 6th should be serving a minimum of 1 year in federal pen in addition to the mandatory minimum for whatever they are charged with simply due to the nature of what they did and where they did it... not getting 6 months probation like some of them are getting.
Remember some of these people are getting plea deals to cooperate in other cases.
It is how the justice system works.
Also some are taking plea deals where they plead guilty, without the expense and time it would take to try them.
These things add up to removal of time served.
I do however believe that all pleas should be for a felony charge.
Remove their ability to vote and to own firearms forever.
@@shawnr771 And I have no problem with any of that.
And I do also agree that they should lose their eligibility to vote and own firearms.
You make sense, Beau. I do hope the leadership is held accountable, and not shielded by their former and current positions.
I would love to see a recording of all the insurrectionists who plead guilty saying they were duped by Trump and regret what they did. Having 30-50 individuals say so on film would be beneficial.
Of course they would blame Trump and not themselves. The media had been blaming Trump since day one and people used Trump to deflect blame. I would have said that if I were in their shoes.
It wouldn't matter. The Right would just say it is fake news, or that they were forced into saying it by the evil Dems.
I agree with you morally, that's why we watch the videos, but your way of explaining things is educational and makes sense thanks Beau!
The GPO Dublin declaration of independence in 1916/wasn't so bloody or tectonic on the day iirc.
The executions were later, and that's what ignited things properly.
Watch the film Michael Collins
exactly.
FYI there was a week of fighting after the declaration, ending 29th April, executions started 4 days later on 3rd May, lasting until 12th May. And yes, the executions changed the public mood drastically.
As usual … you’re right Beau.
C’mon Beau, if some were “manipulated” into attempting to overthrow the government, and there is no “Capital Punishment” why have the stringent laws that we do. They could literally do whatever and skip merrily away!! Now where’s THAT morality?? Not one of them should have received probation if they were inside the Capital. But the thousands in the street may not have realized what was happening. They are the ONLY ones who should get a slap on the wrist. ‘’nough said.
@Chris Vail, That was then. While the British governed us, we had very little, if no, liberty. This is something different. I believe this was an organized coup attempt to install Dictator Trump into office. A coup attempt that had been in place for weeks. There should be a definite reckoning with those involved. I am astonished at the sheer number of people who actually want to “move on”.
Admirable restraint.
What needs to be done is usually harder than what people want to do. What is even harder is knowing what needs to be done.
If the insurrectionists had been mowed down, the blow-back would have make Oklahoma City look like a tea party.
I wished they would have mowed everyone down this shit would be over.
.. I agree.
Thank you for what you do.
My view on this is that the operators should not have been released to hunt - however, there should have been a more forceful approach (just not one with a 100% casualty rate). However, the people there that day should be charged with sedition (at the least) or terrorism (for the heaviest of charges) including all of the consequences of said charges which include revocation of citizenship. Any legal consequences are meant to deter the next person from committing the same crime.
What you said, Beau. AMEN!