I really enjoyed this, fantastic concept for a video, I'm for sure interested in seeing the video on Poland and then any more followups in this new series.
I thought Alsace Lorraine could have gotten a mention about the part where King Louis annexed it in the 30 years war, as it was a possession of the Holy roman empire before, which explains the linguistic situation.
I feel that a mention of Szczecin/Stettin which is on the wrong side of the Oder river, as well as Usedom, the Island split between Germany and Poland. They obviously have the same origin as the rest of the border, but a sentence or two explaining why the map your are showing doesn't agree with what you are saying (that the Oder and Neisse define the border), would have been good in my opinion
I always find it so ironic that the region where the nation that unified Germany due to expansionism and nationalism, is no longer part of it due to the same reasons.
Well, the bishopric of Cologne had a lot of territories in The Netherlands in his domain until not so long ago. The church of 'Grave' (North-Brabant, close to the border with today Gelderland) was long in hands of the Bishopric in Cologne. Also were many other places. The bond only got cut off in the French age by reorganising religion and some other German owned castles and holdings in the region by 1945. So in short: you started it!😂 There is a Dutch proverb: 'Alsof ze het in Keulen horen donderen.' 'As if they hear thundering in Cologne.' Meaning that hey hear something quite new and unbbelievable. So that would be a new angle for this verb...
Very interesting, very informative. I assume there wasn't much more available but I would've loved more information on how the late medieval Bohemian border came to be!
Hi, Seb here, Austria-born writer for HiB. I was anticipating this input and think it is also valid. What I would use as argumentation FOR our decision to put Austria‘s border as 1945 in the end is that 1) the Anschluss was voted for (and supported, which is important to stress due to the problematic circumstances of the vote) by a majority of the Austrian people, 2) the majority of international actors legally accepted the annexation (with the famous exception of the Soviet Union and Mexico, which is why we have a Mexikoplatz in Vienna) Also, even if we didn‘t count this peaceful annexation and therefore consider the border to be „new“ after WW2, the borders of Czechia to most of Germany would still be considerably older
That's kind of an oversimplification that's less relevant than you might think. There has been a decently powerful Polish polity west of the Vistula since 1000 AD. Same goes for Bohemia/Czechia. The very identities of the Dutch and Belgians were formed by their "subcultures" being wedged between German and French hegemonies. After the Migration Era and the Slavic Migrations the only huge waves of ethnic change have come from steppes peoples who mostly integrated into the local cultures; that is to say that 1000 years of wars have done little in the face of sedentary ethno-national identities at the core of each of the states in Central Europe. As the lines are drawn today most of the German citizens are German ethnically, and the same with their neighbors. Statecraft, language and ethnic identity have been tightly interwoven. Germany looks this way because it has always kind of looked this way. (Or at least for the past thousand years it has retained this relative core and that relative core took shape in the thousand years before that. Even the Carolingians and HRE couldn't do anything but project their power from that core.)
@@Bern_il_CinqI mean, Silesia and Pomerania were in German hands for awhile, same with east Prussia and to an extent Sudetenland, which all lost German ethnicity from one nation, the USSR which forced them out
A very good and informative video, my feedback would be that it can sometimes be hard to follow the borders you're referencing when using old maps. I found it difficult to pick them out when you were going quite quickly through old maps of the borders with France and Luxembourg. My reccomendation would be to trace an outline of the modern border and superimpose it over the old maps to really highlight how it has, or has not, changed.
@@historyinbits well, the drawing of the modern borders of Europe at around 00:21 in the video. It immediatly stood out to me because I know that the border looks kind of horizontal on average when looking at a map of Europe (mercator, north up).
Hello! I really loved the Ck3 series and i wonder is it possible to show some love to Finland and make a video of it? It is never spoken about and in the game or videos. many things including the name of the faith "ukonusko" is wrongly made.
The part about the northern border lacks in regard to the role of danish nationalism in the matter of how Schleswig ended up inside the german empire in the first place. 😂
I'm surprised there was no reminder of the earliest historical German-Polish border, documented in 992's Dagome Iudex. During the reign of the 1st Polish historical duke, Mieszko I, Poland's western border looked roughly the same with minor adjustments here and there. Though I'm pretty sure that some parts of the border, like the region around Cedynia was laying on the Oder even then.
We agreed to keep the current border so it isnt illegal, you could argue that thereare inconsistencies, like the previous polish government saying the previous agreements arent valid due to being signed by the communist polish government, if you follow this logic then the border would still be as it is today, it just wouldnt be recognised by Germany, which wouldnt really change anything in practice.
North Sea, Alpes, Rhine, lost two wars.
Very good summary!
I like that meme where it’s the jokers face in Germany saying you wanna know how I got these borders.
“You wanna know how I got these borders? My father was a Hohenzollern, and a state builder. One night, Europe goes off crazier than usual.”
I really enjoyed this, fantastic concept for a video, I'm for sure interested in seeing the video on Poland and then any more followups in this new series.
Glad you liked it :)
I thought Alsace Lorraine could have gotten a mention about the part where King Louis annexed it in the 30 years war, as it was a possession of the Holy roman empire before, which explains the linguistic situation.
I feel that a mention of Szczecin/Stettin which is on the wrong side of the Oder river, as well as Usedom, the Island split between Germany and Poland. They obviously have the same origin as the rest of the border, but a sentence or two explaining why the map your are showing doesn't agree with what you are saying (that the Oder and Neisse define the border), would have been good in my opinion
Thank you for the feedback! We‘ll partly cover this in our next video on Poland
This !! As someone that lives on usedom I was low-key hyped to hear about the silly little part and it’s silly history that I call home
I always find it so ironic that the region where the nation that unified Germany due to expansionism and nationalism, is no longer part of it due to the same reasons.
Imagine the ludicrous world where Köln is Dutch
Well, the bishopric of Cologne had a lot of territories in The Netherlands in his domain until not so long ago. The church of 'Grave' (North-Brabant, close to the border with today Gelderland) was long in hands of the Bishopric in Cologne. Also were many other places. The bond only got cut off in the French age by reorganising religion and some other German owned castles and holdings in the region by 1945. So in short: you started it!😂
There is a Dutch proverb: 'Alsof ze het in Keulen horen donderen.' 'As if they hear thundering in Cologne.' Meaning that hey hear something quite new and unbbelievable. So that would be a new angle for this verb...
This video was really good hope you make more like this one
Very interesting, very informative. I assume there wasn't much more available but I would've loved more information on how the late medieval Bohemian border came to be!
Isn't it kinda weird to put Austria's border at 1945 but not Czechia's?
Hi, Seb here, Austria-born writer for HiB. I was anticipating this input and think it is also valid. What I would use as argumentation FOR our decision to put Austria‘s border as 1945 in the end is that 1) the Anschluss was voted for (and supported, which is important to stress due to the problematic circumstances of the vote) by a majority of the Austrian people, 2) the majority of international actors legally accepted the annexation (with the famous exception of the Soviet Union and Mexico, which is why we have a Mexikoplatz in Vienna)
Also, even if we didn‘t count this peaceful annexation and therefore consider the border to be „new“ after WW2, the borders of Czechia to most of Germany would still be considerably older
Great viedeo, keep doing great
Because they lost two world wars.
That's kind of an oversimplification that's less relevant than you might think. There has been a decently powerful Polish polity west of the Vistula since 1000 AD. Same goes for Bohemia/Czechia. The very identities of the Dutch and Belgians were formed by their "subcultures" being wedged between German and French hegemonies. After the Migration Era and the Slavic Migrations the only huge waves of ethnic change have come from steppes peoples who mostly integrated into the local cultures; that is to say that 1000 years of wars have done little in the face of sedentary ethno-national identities at the core of each of the states in Central Europe. As the lines are drawn today most of the German citizens are German ethnically, and the same with their neighbors. Statecraft, language and ethnic identity have been tightly interwoven.
Germany looks this way because it has always kind of looked this way. (Or at least for the past thousand years it has retained this relative core and that relative core took shape in the thousand years before that. Even the Carolingians and HRE couldn't do anything but project their power from that core.)
@@Bern_il_CinqI mean, Silesia and Pomerania were in German hands for awhile, same with east Prussia and to an extent Sudetenland, which all lost German ethnicity from one nation, the USSR which forced them out
A very good and informative video, my feedback would be that it can sometimes be hard to follow the borders you're referencing when using old maps. I found it difficult to pick them out when you were going quite quickly through old maps of the borders with France and Luxembourg. My reccomendation would be to trace an outline of the modern border and superimpose it over the old maps to really highlight how it has, or has not, changed.
Make a video about the physical geography of Georgia and its boundaries
I think it'll make for an interesting topic
3:55 OMG, a Florryworry reference!!!
8:56 such a obscure writer, I wonder what he wrote about?
I was a little irritated by the Dutch-Belgian border in the map animation, lol. It gives a part of the Netherlands, I think it's Zeeland, to Belgium.
Which animation are you referring to? :)
@@historyinbits well, the drawing of the modern borders of Europe at around 00:21 in the video. It immediatly stood out to me because I know that the border looks kind of horizontal on average when looking at a map of Europe (mercator, north up).
@ you are right, our bad!
Hello! I really loved the Ck3 series and i wonder is it possible to show some love to Finland and make a video of it? It is never spoken about and in the game or videos. many things including the name of the faith "ukonusko" is wrongly made.
Very cool!
Glad you liked it!
Should have listened to marx and Bismarck
Yup
Make one of these amazing videos for china 🇨🇳
You wanna know how i got these borders?
The part about the northern border lacks in regard to the role of danish nationalism in the matter of how Schleswig ended up inside the german empire in the first place. 😂
I thought you abandoned your channel
I'm surprised there was no reminder of the earliest historical German-Polish border, documented in 992's Dagome Iudex. During the reign of the 1st Polish historical duke, Mieszko I, Poland's western border looked roughly the same with minor adjustments here and there. Though I'm pretty sure that some parts of the border, like the region around Cedynia was laying on the Oder even then.
Belgium forever neutral, ha, tell that to rhe Congolese..
Not so fun fact, the German-Polish border is parchally illegal, The City of Stettin was ilegally annexed by Poland.
We agreed to keep the current border so it isnt illegal, you could argue that thereare inconsistencies, like the previous polish government saying the previous agreements arent valid due to being signed by the communist polish government, if you follow this logic then the border would still be as it is today, it just wouldnt be recognised by Germany, which wouldnt really change anything in practice.
Was it legal when Prussia annexed nearly half of Poland during the partitions and treated it like a colony?