Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones all needs to give monies back. Furthermore Joe, Justin and Josh are media driven concoctions. Media agenda to make face of NFL. In particular Joe and Justin who both don't win and don't lead. Both needs to be carried. Only Patrick, Lamar, and Jalen earned their contracts. They lead and win. Josh does win more than Joe and Justin so maybe he give half back.
@@aaronbutler9373 Your take is a "media driven concoction" Allen has the current highest completion rate @ 71.7% and #2 QBR Rating. Where in the actual FK do you get your data to form your weak takes?
Pat Mahomes first 3 year NFL starts 114 TDs, the last 3 seasons 116 TDs. Justin Herbert first 3 year NFL starts 94 TDs. Please make sense of how JH has the most TDs in his first 3 seasons
Didn't Mahomes only start 1 game his rookie year. Pretty sure it was only 1 maybe 2 games at the end of the season. So those TDs would be his first 3 starting years not his first 3 years.
They count the year Mahomes sat before against him when trying to use that to prop up Herbert. He does technically have the most TD's in his first 3 seasons. Mahomes doesn't have 114 in his first three seasons by the same scope. Mainly because he only started in two of those seasons.
@@DenofLeosyeah of course we do. Tua wouldn’t do any better on the chargers and probably worse. Hill is the MVP of the dolphins and Herbert is the MVP of the chargers. Let that sink in
As a Chargers fan, I know that Justin Herbert had a bad game, but Brandon Staley has done more harm than good for the team. Here we come, Jim Harbaugh or Ben Johnson
They don't give true football analysts it's like Shady say just an eyeball test. Cowboys had pressure on like 42 or 44% on the Chargers. I saw the stat just somehow they couldn't get to him until the end of the game.
I'd just like to point out that Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts are considered elite quarterbacks and get paid elite QB money, but both threw interceptions on their last minute drives trying to win the game. While Brock Purdy didn't throw a pick on his last minute drive and actually put his team in position to win and did it against a better defense than Herbert and Hurts (elite QB's might I add).
The impact of Micah calling the media out was obvious in this segment. You can tell that they didn’t want to criticize Herbert, but had to at least fake it. Joy couldn’t do it though. She transferred criticism from Herbert onto the supporting cast and the organization. Going so far as to say they’re the ones who haven’t given their money’s worth to Herbert. THAT is exactly what Micah Parson’s argument was. No QB has been as bad as Herbert in the 4th quarter of games. He has been atrocious when it matters most. Yet they talk about Dak as if he’s been the worst….when in fact p, Dak has 19 4th quarter comeback victories so far.
Justin herbert had one bad game. Everyone has bad games . Justin herbert only has 2 picks. Jalen hurts has 7 pics and 3 against the NYJ.. Tua tagovailoa has 5 pics. Two agents NYC. Joe burrow has 4 pics and Jordan loves 6 pics.
if we being real Herbert is a bigger faster Kirk Cousins. The numbers gonna tell one thing the wins gonna say something different. When u paying a guy that much you should be going into a game thinking "we're gonna win cuz we have him" and that hasn't been the case in big games and moments
I agree herbert doesn’t need more weapons. What Herbert needs is consistency. So to shady’s point about him not seeing Herbert’s growth from his rookie year since 2020 is because he’s had to learn 3 different offenses in 4 years. And those 4 years are vital because it’s the only 4 years of experience he has. So I can understand why there isn’t any growth him. But imagine if this was Herbert’s first year with the stats he’s put up this season, he’d be in the race for ROTY
Dude he's had the benefit of playing in Southern California his whole career... and then indoors in LA... he should have great number when he plays in great or no weather almost every week.
Herbert is like Dak, Kirk, Lamar, and many others that look great until the lights get bright and they melt like an ice cube in the desert! It's not easy to put a team on your shoulders and lead them to victory, that is why there are really only 2-3 players during any given time period that can do it consistently.
This is why we appreciate all the legends who have done it time and again. It ain't easy and only a few truly reach the pinnacle. Jim Kelly did it 4 straight times and lost every time imagine his story had they won all 4.
Lamar never was up 29 in playoff game and lost, Lamar vs Tennessee had almost 500 yards of total offense, Lamar has no where near a #1 receiver like this guys you named.
dont ever put lamar in the same catergory with them other guys .. lamar does more with less if he had their receivers afc championship year in and year out
If this was Mahomes that had this performance, then they would be giving him a pass. I don’t put all of the blame on Herbert. He didn’t have a great game, but neither did Purdy or hurts. No quarterback is Perfect. I think Robert will bounce back this week against Kansas City. I think the problem is the coaching. Kellen Moore was supposed to come up with this great game playing against his former team and it did not work
I don't know Dallas might not have had the sacks but they had pressure in that game. Pretty sure there was pressure on 48% of his drop backs. I am sure that is what got to him and why he had so many off throws. Even some that were completed were way behind the receiver or they were having to catch it off the turf. I have seen people blaming it on his broken finger. How does a broken finger on your left hand effect your accuracy when you are right handed. I could see having trouble taking snaps not wanting to hit that finger or even protecting it if you are about to get hit but its not like it was on his throwing hand. That shouldn't make you have that many off throws.
Dak didn't get the exception when he broke his thumb on his throwing hand and making those INT. Herbert shouldn't get one either.(on his non throwing hand)
Talking from a former athletes perspective, we all have to ignore pain at the top level at any sport, only the most elite players have the ability to ignore injury and perform at an elite level. The all time greats all did it. Our bodies break down faster from performing at a high intensity, a high physicality, and at that elite level.
Mental toughness is not something everyone has, it's extremely hard to train oneself for mental toughness. Ronnie Lott chose to have a broken finger cut off to stay in just 1 game, that is a level of mental toughness and commitment rarely seen these days and even less likely to be taught to the youth of today. I don't expect understanding of this concept, hope to give a sliver of insight. Most people give up/walk away when a given task only seems difficult let alone seem impossible. Greatness is birthed during the impossible.
If you know football, you know Justin Herbert is going through what Derek Carr had to go through, (but Herbert is better ofcourse). Good Qb that can not make up for a really bad defense everytime.
@@marcusrudolph5961 Idk about bad decisions, just always wants to make the big play and needs to learn to check it down sometimes. And yeah clutch is one thing Derek Carr was special at.
@@yupman5252 hes too deep into his career to be trying to figure out when to check down. He tries to fire fastballs unnecessarily too, and leaves the pocket when he doesnt have to
I can’t stand ancho’s take here. He’s literally saying Herbert can have the best QB season of all time but if they lose every game 45-50 it’s on Herbert and not the defense / coaching ?? 8:58
Chargers gonna charger has been a saying before Herbert and will be after him lol Doesn’t help that his coach at least twice a game does something to help the other team.
He's wyte. They got excuses for EVERY wyte QB who doesn't win. Herbert hasnt won a playoff game in year for and people were all over Lamar for winning 1 game. They hold black QBs to different standards
Both really could be getting more. Some of it isn't exactly Lamar's fault but he has been hurt and has he won a playoff game. Herbert has basically been a rich man's Kirk Cousins. Lamar did have that MVP year though but he has been hurt what 2 straight seasons.
@@JesseLJohnson Lamar Jackson has the most passing yards all time without a pro bowl wr,in each of his last two injured seasons he was leading the MVP race,if healthy we could've potentially be talking about a 3 time MVP winner in his last 4 seasons 🤯
I agree I think he has some work to do but every qb has a bad game look at mahomes bro got dusted by Denver and im a chiefs fan but even his games have been rough but nobody is saying anything because we’re winning
@@FullMetalXV right lol has all the great games until its prime time and time for a breakout scenario 😂 too good to not pay and let go of, but too many bad decisions to ever be top 5 and win anything
And the most game winning drives since he entered the league. Sounds like hes being put into 1 score games more than he needs to be . No hes not perfect and he had a bad game against dallas but lets not pretend he doesnt have a horrible coach with a horrible defense that constantly puts him into 1 score games
@@nickscaglione9906That isn't true at all. Why lie?? The stat is easy to look up. Mahommes is #1 at 51 and #2 is Rodgers at 47. Herbert fans got to make up stats😂😂
also best qb in terms of turn over worthy play %....career record let me know what qb with a bottom 5 defense is successful, ill wait for that list, you wont find one but ill wait regardless
Nobody ever mentions that every since pep Hamilton was let go after Herbert rookie year, hes regressed. I do t care about what his stats say, Justin Herbert hasn’t elevated like everyone thought he would after the first year and no one ever speaks on his underachieving
Ppl either gloss over this or say hes the worst.. reality is, ourside of Justin Fields, hes in a worst situation then any drafted qb since 2020.. ofc he hasnt reached his potential
Cowboys Fan.....Herbert was literally pressured 42% of his dropbacks and the most he's been pressured all season....What dallas wasn't getting was sacks but they were definitely getting after him.......he missed some key throws and then they were handed a TD with that scuffed punt recovery. The goal post moving anytime the boys get a win there's always some negative stat on the other team on why they won...\
@kivngken why would i make an excuse for the opposing teams Qb.... lol think before you comment.....shady said he wasn't pressured at all, which was a false statement.
If Herbert was pressured on 42% of his pass attempts, why was he sacked only once and hit only eight times? We're the Cowboys pulling up at the last moment?
Can we all relax on Herbert. He had a bad game, it happens to all great quarterbacks. Might be his worst game of his career. He doesn’t usually miss throws like he did. But now people want to start talking like he isn’t that good, stop it.
A lot of people dont bring up the topic that COACHES MATTER i will die on this hill mahomes andy reid, lamar john harbough, joe burrow zac taylor from tht mccvay tree, josh allen sean mcdermett(WHO CAN ACTUALLY GIVE U A GOOD DEFENSE) herb has had staley and anthony lynn! Like he has been at a coaching disadvantage yes he had a bad game vs the cowboys which he took accountability for! So i just wanna wait until i see a competent coach cuz herbert has shown me he has talent!
@@chadwickerman Herbert got a long way to go to be mentioned in the same vicinity as Marino! that's insulting! Matt Ryan & Philip Rivers couldn't touch Marino in his hay day. Philip Rivers never went to a SB & near will Herbert his successor. Marino went to a Championship, had no run game, & play with arm talent alone, & his defense we'rent exactly World breakers! despite both teams putting up record breaking numbers, the 49ers had to much talent in all 3 phrases, they were'nt the best team in football for nothing.
Herbert’s got a gun but he misses open receivers a lot. Purdy has a much weaker arm but he’s much more accurate and therefore the offense succeeds. Perhaps it is on Herbert
Herb missed**, not "misses".. 3 yrs of quarterbacking says he makes those throws more than misses them.. Purdy is not more accurate, he has better weapons, better coaching, better defense.. which=wins
LamarJackson has won games with his two best offensive lineman out all 3 starting backs out 3 of his starting DB out and he was 8 and 3 before he got hurt last year
Acho has always hated Herbert because he already has had a better career than Acho prayed for. This is all on Staley. 47% percent of the time he had pressure on him and to them the cowboys did not pressure him at all
From a Bengals fan - yes, the Chargers are getting their money’s worth from Justin Herbert. Top 10 offense every year - he’s doing his job. I knew the defenses were bad but 27th since he entered? Bottom 5 defense, every year for four years? Did some more reading - Chargers defense has allowed more points to opposing offenses than Justin Herbert and the Chargers offense have scored. You can’t win like that. Did some even more reading. Justin Herbert leads the entire league since 2020 in successful game winning drives. He’s also faltered in the 4th quarter the most; he’s always in this situation. That’s the problem, and that’s why this is the narrative with him. You’re not always going to win those close games and every game for the Chargers seems to be a close game - I also didn’t know Staley was a defensive coach, I thought he was more involved with offense. Justin’s best defense definitely was during his rookie year when he was still finding his footing. A handful of losses that stir the narrative came during that rookie season. Chargers games are always close, if anything, Justin Herbert seems to be the only reason they’ve had success as minimal as it is. And Acho, really? Still with comparing situations and QB’s by mentioning Tua? I’m really happy and trust Joe Burrow. I don’t think Miami fans are complaining one bit about Tua, and I haven’t seen any Chargers fans abandon their team or bash their QB. All of them are great but whatever gets this show it’s clicks I guess. Also, WHO DEY?!
As a Charger fan, this was Herbert’s worst game he’s played. The vast majority of the games we lose are NOT Herbert’s fault, but this game was on him. He missed the throws he normally makes that decide whether or not we win games. But Acho’s Herbert hate is pure delusion. Bravo to James Jones for humbling Acho and finally bringing up our GARBAGE DEFENSE, for which STALEY calls the shots… FIRE STALEY
Hebert is my dawg bro. I love him. But he’s been cheeks all year this year besides the Vikings game. He Missed throws vs MIA vs TEN vs DAL and vs LV as well.
@@Bighoodiekid he’s inconsistent. 2 years ago vs PIT on SMF he was OUTSTANDING. last years vs MIA (they were red hot) on SNF, he BALLED. He needs to be more consistent.
@@edgoat14 Herbert still has a top 5 QBR in the league and a top 5 lowest TD:INT ratio… He absolutely balls out more often than not. BUT, like I said, this was the worst single game Herbert has played imo, and I’ve watched every single one of them from start to finish. The defense did their job for the most part this game aside from blowing a few coverages (as they do EVERY game), but Herbert was just off this game and misfired on the throws that decide our games normally. He completes either one of those chunk throws to Keenan and the world is singing a different tune… my point is that our defense is BY FAR the biggest issue with the team on a regular basis, for which STALEY calls the shots. Staley’s GARBAGE defense is unfairly putting Herbert in these situations on a weekly basis where he has be Superman for us to win. Idgaf about his talent, the other side of the ball has to hold up their end of the bargain for the team to win. “Defense wins championships” right? FIRE BRANDON STALEY
Bro had 1 bad game in years and everyone thinks he’s washed 😭😭💀 come on bro if this was josh Allen or even mahomes people wouldn’t even have this conversation
I'm tired of acho trying to blame all the chargers issues on herbert, staley is unanimously a terrible coach who shouldn't have a job, his skill position players are always hurt and their defense has been awful for years. Im not saying you cant criticize him for anything because he was bad yesterday and he's had his share of shortcomings but trying to put it all on him is stupid
*NFL morning shows & analysts are starting to make noooooo sense to me:* *Scenario 1:* In the past 2 years, Russell Wilson has lost 6 games, that were lost by 3 points or less. *NFL analysts: "Russ needs to be cut. Russ is washed. Russ needs to be benched. He getting $250Million and no results."* *Scenario 2:* In the past 2 years, Justin Herbert has lost 11 games, that were lost by 3 points or less. *NFL analysts: "Its not Justin Herberts fault. He getting $265Million and he deserves every penny. Headcoach is trash. Defense is rubbish".* *And I`m like, huuuuuh????* 🤔🙄🤨😐🥴😕😟🙁☹😮 *WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??????* make it make sense.
JJ, you can say the same thing about every teams that had a lead in first half and end up losing in the end. The game is 4 quarters not 2 so you keep on the gas until the clock runs out. Lamar would have gotten the blame if he didn't do anything in the second half of the game, even Allen would get blame and Tua, Dax, n Hurts too. Herbert is good but he has to play for 4 quarters not 2.
I’m a chargers fan myself, but to say that they are not getting the moneys worth and bash him?? He had a bad game! Herbert’s numbers don’t lie, the defense needs to step up and play better and the coaching staff needs to improve
Bro your doing exactly what they are pointing out your blaming everyone else not Herbert think about it this way a QB can go down the field 90 yards every drive and kick a field goal and end up with 300+ yards every game and lose a lot that’s Herbert stop bringing up stats dude literally can’t win games
@@kivngken and I get that but I can name you 3 other TOP QBs who fumble and can’t come up with clutch plays to win the game and are concerned higher in the list that Herbert. It’s just one bad game and they out here bashing the man lol
I can be honest I’m a Justin Herbert fan but Acho hit it on the head right at the end. It’s a difference between numbers and results. Patty Mac the best young QB ( and overall QB ) in the league. But Hurts and Burrow also have shown if the game on the line regardless how it’s went all the way up to that last drive, they will find a way to win a game more times then not, THAT is what Herbert needs to take that next step.
@@sora4440 put the drink down or just say you dont watch football lmao. “ I never seen hurts win a game “ has to be one of the most insane hater takes Ive heard lmao. You gotta go into concussion protocol cause you showing signs of CTE with this take lmao
Bravo 👏. The coach and Herbert not producing and giving the org theirs moneys worth. You all still want Herbert over tua or are you ride or die? :) hahah
Football talk shows have become very QB-centric. The QB is just a part of the team. There was pressure on Herbert the whole game. How about blaming the coaching staff for not implementing a game plan to deal with that pressure? Team game.
So we’re just going to forget the Herbert hit Palmer for 52 years to win last game 😂. Also he’s not even fully healthy, is missing his starting center and mike Williams and is still keeping his team in games.
@@ShinobiXXXBDO I’d like to see you throw a ball with a broken finger no matter what friggin hand give me a break you’re not just throwing it in the backyard with your buddy guys are coming out you full speed throwing you on the ground with a broken finger that can’t feel good
I absolutely love Acho’s catchy phrases/lines….he hits them directly on the nail! “Don’t make everyone on the team worse so that Justin Herbert looks better!” Great point! I recall when Aaron Rogers was doing that with the Packers 😮
I think with Herbert, we all know what he can do, but it's what he doesn't do that's frustrating. He has all the talent in the world; but when it comes time to make the plays or throws to win the game, he doesn't make them.
@@eslakerfan I'm not talking about one game though; I'm looking at his whole career. The playoff game against Jacksonville was probably the biggest game in his career; how did he let them come back despite being up 27-0? I know Staley is a terrible coach, but if you "that guy", you don't let your team lose that game.
@@peacewilliam-west2249he literally has the 2nd most GW drives since entering the league lol… But sure lets not hold Ekeler accountable with that -1 yard total in the 2nd half that Jags game in week 7 the season after. Or Dicker missing a FG that could have pretty much sealed the game. No let’s only blame Herbert week in, week out. It gives click and that’s the only reason.
@@Markizinho Nah, that's just how we judge quarterbacks. The quarterback position is the most important position in all the sports; and whether it's fair or not, they get most of the credit when their team wins and a lion's share of the blame when their team loses. You said that he has the second most game-winning drives since he has entered the league in 2020? Fair enough, but have you ever considered who those game-winning drives are against? Of his 14 game winning drives, he beat Atlanta twice (Record: 4-12, 7-10), Cleveland twice (Record 8-9, 7-10), Denver twice (Record: 5-11, 5-12), the Raiders (Record 8-8), Washington (Record: 7-10), Kansas City (Record: 12-5), Philadelphia (Record: 9-8), Pittsburgh (Record: 9-7-1), Arizona (Record: 4-13), Tennessee (Record: 7-10), and this year he beat Minnesota (Record: 2-4). While 14 game winning drives is no trivial accomplishment because it is very difficult to win in the NFL, most of them are against teams with losing records. It's my fault for not clarifying; I meant when it's time to win big games, he doesn't make the plays to win. Unfortunately for him, one of the most important criteria that we judge quarterbacks on is what they do in big games. In the only playoff game he played in, he lost a 27-7 lead, and his team scored 3 points in the second half. There have also been winnable games against the Chiefs he's played in and couldn't get it done. When you combine that with the fact that he is 27-28 as a starter in the regular season, it's hard to place him in the elite category.
But if Herbert is great he should be able to win that game at the end. Brady won a lot of games despite his great defense at the end. Qbs have to finish the game. Chargers have had the most talent for decades. I refuse to put Herbert on a pedestal the same way we did Rivers. They had the most talent around them, they were great but still leave a lot to be desired. Oh Mahomes is in the way of Herbert. But so was Brady and great qbs or teams overcome them
doesnt get it done when it comes to it, is successful over 50% of his clutch situations better than every team except 3 these guys really said cowboys got no pressure on herbert, that just tells you everything
@@kivngken nope they literally said he wasnt pressured just because they are going off sacks, they just further proved acho and the women know not what they speak of 🤷🏼♂️
@@marcusrudolph5961 pressure /= sack. Example, you force a QB to run out of the pocket and a QB throws the ball away before getting sacked. that is a pressure. Win for the Defense, even if it isnt a sack.
If Dak played like Justin Herbert this past Monday he would’ve been slaughtered, despite Dak getting paid less than him. Micah Parsons’ point is starting to be clear as day
It’s a Brandon Staley problem. It’s always been a Brandon Staley problem. I can’t tell you how much the chargers remind me of past lions teams. The second stafford moved to a competent organization he won a Super Bowl. This is the same exact situation.
Does James Jones not realize Mahomes up until last year was playing with horrible defenses and getting to Super Bowls and AFC championships. The excuses are disgusting.
Mahomes has never had a defense as bad as Herbert’s best defense my guy. He’s also had Andy Reid on his sideline you think he’s winning super bowls with Brandon Staley
Wow you’re dumb. Go look up Herbert’s defense vs Mahomes. Mahomes worst def has never been even as close to as bad as Herbert’s BEST def. You’re just ignorant.
@@Bandicoot19 Chiefs 2018 were ranked 27th in defense made AFC championship, Chiefs 2020 ranked 22nd in defense Won Super Bowl. Chargers were ranked 11th in defense last year and blew a 30 point lead that they had gained from all of Lawrence’s turnovers and having great field position. You can keep making excuses for Herbert but it doesn’t add up.
My daughter goes her last year at Oregon and nephews and Lil cousins all went or you play football I seen every college play Justin Herb. Good kid great kid good athlete, great arm plenty of heart, we can say the exact same thing about Tua the differences the it factor. I’ve been watching football a lot of year, some quarterbacks and being dolphin fan. It hurts to say Tom Brady was one San Antonio Spurs or another when it’s time with the game on the line either you have “IT” or you don’t. What Justin Herbert is lacking. Nothing against the kid. Great kid. Ryan Tannehill had all the talent in the world but when it comes down to Wames and they need a drive you might need to drive. I take TUA Tagovailoa. seven days a week.
@@joshlugo5629 Brady also didn't have Herbert's top 10 offense. If the Chargers defense is bad, then their offense has to win games. Like Mahomes did his first couple of years. Chiefs had bad defense but Mahomes was outscoring and outdueling the other team and winning that way. Herbert shrinks in every big moment we've seen him. How you score 30 in the playoffs in first half but can't score anything 2nd half?
@@sonikspeed19 mahomes has never won anything with a bottom scoring defense.....you see the correlation that no one has won anything without a decent defense, yet herbert is expected too, my only explanation would be that you think hes the best qb in nfl history so you have those expectations for him
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Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones all needs to give monies back. Furthermore Joe, Justin and Josh are media driven concoctions. Media agenda to make face of NFL. In particular Joe and Justin who both don't win and don't lead. Both needs to be carried. Only Patrick, Lamar, and Jalen earned their contracts. They lead and win. Josh does win more than Joe and Justin so maybe he give half back.
@@aaronbutler9373 their "monies?"
Do you even watch the NFL?
Playoff Stats:
Lamar Jackson = 68.3 PR / 900 Yards / 3 TD's / 5 Picks / 1 Win 3 loses / 🤮
Josh Allen = 99.6 PR / 2334 Yards / 17 TD's / 4 Picks / 4 wins 4 loses /
I'll take Allen over Lamar All Day, Every Day!
@@aaronbutler9373 Your take is a "media driven concoction"
Allen has the current highest completion rate @ 71.7% and #2 QBR Rating.
Where in the actual FK do you get your data to form your weak takes?
If this was Lamar they will be at his neck. After the Ravens loss to the Colts. Stephen A and Shannon both was saying he don't deserve that money
They said that after the Steelers game too but when Baltimore wins they aren’t talked about 😂smh
@@michaelnance8917 Yeah I remember. It's a double standard for Black QB especially when they great
Facts facts facts
@@rtv2324clown mentality. The best qb in the nfl today is black. Its just the media wanting clicks. Lamar is more worth talking about than herbert
They NEVER SAID Lamar didn’t deserve his money!! Y’all FOOLS BE STRAIGHT LYING!! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Pat Mahomes first 3 year NFL starts 114 TDs, the last 3 seasons 116 TDs. Justin Herbert first 3 year NFL starts 94 TDs. Please make sense of how JH has the most TDs in his first 3 seasons
Didn't Mahomes only start 1 game his rookie year. Pretty sure it was only 1 maybe 2 games at the end of the season. So those TDs would be his first 3 starting years not his first 3 years.
They count the year Mahomes sat before against him when trying to use that to prop up Herbert. He does technically have the most TD's in his first 3 seasons. Mahomes doesn't have 114 in his first three seasons by the same scope. Mainly because he only started in two of those seasons.
@@Orphim well he had 50 then 26 ...so incorrect
Do charger fans still want Herbert over Tua at this point or are you ride or die ? :)
@@DenofLeosyeah of course we do. Tua wouldn’t do any better on the chargers and probably worse. Hill is the MVP of the dolphins and Herbert is the MVP of the chargers. Let that sink in
As a Chargers fan, I know that Justin Herbert had a bad game, but Brandon Staley has done more harm than good for the team. Here we come, Jim Harbaugh or Ben Johnson
Stop making excuses!!! Ur QB is trash 🗑️!!! He’s a BUST !!! Stop lying to ur self ! The numbers are empty calories just like dak !!!
Defensive coaches don't make great head coaches with young QBs
Staley needs to go, Herbert's rookie year was better
@@TheInterestedObserver still Livin off his rookie yr like Dallas is with dak !!lol feel bad for ya
It's not Herbert, Its the Head Coach anybody knows that!
I’m just looking for the Video you guys made about if the Bengals are getting their moneys worth.
They don't give true football analysts it's like Shady say just an eyeball test. Cowboys had pressure on like 42 or 44% on the Chargers. I saw the stat just somehow they couldn't get to him until the end of the game.
I'd just like to point out that Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts are considered elite quarterbacks and get paid elite QB money, but both threw interceptions on their last minute drives trying to win the game. While Brock Purdy didn't throw a pick on his last minute drive and actually put his team in position to win and did it against a better defense than Herbert and Hurts (elite QB's might I add).
also had 57 yards passing in 30 min
The impact of Micah calling the media out was obvious in this segment. You can tell that they didn’t want to criticize Herbert, but had to at least fake it. Joy couldn’t do it though. She transferred criticism from Herbert onto the supporting cast and the organization. Going so far as to say they’re the ones who haven’t given their money’s worth to Herbert. THAT is exactly what Micah Parson’s argument was. No QB has been as bad as Herbert in the 4th quarter of games. He has been atrocious when it matters most. Yet they talk about Dak as if he’s been the worst….when in fact p, Dak has 19 4th quarter comeback victories so far.
Justin herbert had one bad game. Everyone has bad games . Justin herbert only has 2 picks. Jalen hurts has 7 pics and 3 against the NYJ.. Tua tagovailoa has 5 pics. Two agents NYC. Joe burrow has 4 pics and Jordan loves 6 pics.
Love everybody's point on this, the back and forth banter involving everyone made my morning
if we being real Herbert is a bigger faster Kirk Cousins. The numbers gonna tell one thing the wins gonna say something different. When u paying a guy that much you should be going into a game thinking "we're gonna win cuz we have him" and that hasn't been the case in big games and moments
what’s crazy with herb is he doesn’t get blamed they just say oh it’s staley fault but they don’t bring that up with his all his stats and accolades
Why they didn’t ask this question when he tossed for 400 yards 3 tds vs Minnesota?
Maybe not but Minnestoa isn't good and is terrible on defense. So, there's that.
I agree herbert doesn’t need more weapons. What Herbert needs is consistency. So to shady’s point about him not seeing Herbert’s growth from his rookie year since 2020 is because he’s had to learn 3 different offenses in 4 years. And those 4 years are vital because it’s the only 4 years of experience he has. So I can understand why there isn’t any growth him. But imagine if this was Herbert’s first year with the stats he’s put up this season, he’d be in the race for ROTY
Shouldn't have fired Anthony Lynn which also removed that great offensive staff 🤣🤣🤣.
Dude he's had the benefit of playing in Southern California his whole career... and then indoors in LA... he should have great number when he plays in great or no weather almost every week.
Herbert is like Dak, Kirk, Lamar, and many others that look great until the lights get bright and they melt like an ice cube in the desert! It's not easy to put a team on your shoulders and lead them to victory, that is why there are really only 2-3 players during any given time period that can do it consistently.
This is why we appreciate all the legends who have done it time and again. It ain't easy and only a few truly reach the pinnacle. Jim Kelly did it 4 straight times and lost every time imagine his story had they won all 4.
Lamar never was up 29 in playoff game and lost, Lamar vs Tennessee had almost 500 yards of total offense, Lamar has no where near a #1 receiver like this guys you named.
Who are the 2-3 players today?
QBs are a product of their team
dont ever put lamar in the same catergory with them other guys .. lamar does more with less if he had their receivers afc championship year in and year out
Herbert is at his ceiling.
He will never be any better than he is right now.
Which is exactly what he's been the last few years.
If this was Mahomes that had this performance, then they would be giving him a pass. I don’t put all of the blame on Herbert. He didn’t have a great game, but neither did Purdy or hurts. No quarterback is Perfect. I think Robert will bounce back this week against Kansas City. I think the problem is the coaching. Kellen Moore was supposed to come up with this great game playing against his former team and it did not work
I don't know Dallas might not have had the sacks but they had pressure in that game. Pretty sure there was pressure on 48% of his drop backs. I am sure that is what got to him and why he had so many off throws. Even some that were completed were way behind the receiver or they were having to catch it off the turf. I have seen people blaming it on his broken finger. How does a broken finger on your left hand effect your accuracy when you are right handed. I could see having trouble taking snaps not wanting to hit that finger or even protecting it if you are about to get hit but its not like it was on his throwing hand. That shouldn't make you have that many off throws.
It has an effect, in the sense you have to ignore pain, which messes with your concentration
Dak didn't get the exception when he broke his thumb on his throwing hand and making those INT. Herbert shouldn't get one either.(on his non throwing hand)
@@speeder1139 I'm a cowboy fan, so you don't have to tell me about Dak not getting a pass. Lol
Talking from a former athletes perspective, we all have to ignore pain at the top level at any sport, only the most elite players have the ability to ignore injury and perform at an elite level. The all time greats all did it. Our bodies break down faster from performing at a high intensity, a high physicality, and at that elite level.
Mental toughness is not something everyone has, it's extremely hard to train oneself for mental toughness. Ronnie Lott chose to have a broken finger cut off to stay in just 1 game, that is a level of mental toughness and commitment rarely seen these days and even less likely to be taught to the youth of today. I don't expect understanding of this concept, hope to give a sliver of insight. Most people give up/walk away when a given task only seems difficult let alone seem impossible. Greatness is birthed during the impossible.
James jones literally didn’t listen to a word acho said🤦🏾 that’s why the second “i rest my cast” killed me😂😂
If you know football, you know Justin Herbert is going through what Derek Carr had to go through, (but Herbert is better ofcourse). Good Qb that can not make up for a really bad defense everytime.
No bro he makes bad decisions and underperforms in the clutch
so now that Carr has a great Defense whats his excuse this time
@@ShinobiXXXBDO Dennis Allen is not an offensive minded coach.
@@marcusrudolph5961 Idk about bad decisions, just always wants to make the big play and needs to learn to check it down sometimes. And yeah clutch is one thing Derek Carr was special at.
@@yupman5252 hes too deep into his career to be trying to figure out when to check down. He tries to fire fastballs unnecessarily too, and leaves the pocket when he doesnt have to
I can’t stand ancho’s take here. He’s literally saying Herbert can have the best QB season of all time but if they lose every game 45-50 it’s on Herbert and not the defense / coaching ?? 8:58
Great QB, needs to step up in BIG Situations. NEEDS Protection and run game.
Herbert missed 2 TDs he not really him but hes a starter with big stats
Herbert just didn’t look like the elite quarterback he is being touted as. Not sure if it’s him the coach or both.
That game proved it was him the coaching staff dialed up good plays and he dosent execute
Herbert had an amazing first season and was crowned elite but he is not currently elite but people still say he’s better than mahomes smh
Shady should be more concerned about not beating up his girlfriend… ijs 😂😂
Chargers gonna charger has been a saying before Herbert and will be after him lol Doesn’t help that his coach at least twice a game does something to help the other team.
Dak is better than Herbert hands down
I’m a Herbert hater.. but all he needs is the confidence to win those late games. It will come.
Justin Herbert is fantastic! However, he has no clutch gene and it’s unfortunate. 🤷🏾♂️
Mccoy right on.
I can’t stand joy and McCoy!
Be honest, what qb actually succeeds with the chargers? No matter who they have at qb or how good their team is they always underachieve
Bro really said Mastros and Salt and Straw aren’t good
Excuses‼️ Excuses‼️ Excuses ‼️ Herbert has weapons galore but can’t get it done when it matters the most.
He's wyte. They got excuses for EVERY wyte QB who doesn't win. Herbert hasnt won a playoff game in year for and people were all over Lamar for winning 1 game. They hold black QBs to different standards
@@RUTHLESSambition5bro get out of here with that. Why tf you gotta bring race into it
Zero excuses being thrown. Herbert is that guy. The offense has been great. They just always get hurt, and always struggle on defense
@@danielcopeland7365thats the only thing that makes sense to them. Dumb people
Because he’s white ????
Get over yourself …
Is Ravens getting their money worth from lamar- No(4-2) (49-18)
Is chargers getting their money worth from Herbert-YES (2-3) (27-27)
😂😂😂😂 im sorry man
Both really could be getting more. Some of it isn't exactly Lamar's fault but he has been hurt and has he won a playoff game. Herbert has basically been a rich man's Kirk Cousins. Lamar did have that MVP year though but he has been hurt what 2 straight seasons.
You spelled 2-3 wrong
@@JesseLJohnson Lamar Jackson has the most passing yards all time without a pro bowl wr,in each of his last two injured seasons he was leading the MVP race,if healthy we could've potentially be talking about a 3 time MVP winner in his last 4 seasons 🤯
💯
Exactly
Herbert missed several wide open receivers that would have won the game. You can’t miss wide open receivers
I agree I think he has some work to do but every qb has a bad game look at mahomes bro got dusted by Denver and im a chiefs fan but even his games have been rough but nobody is saying anything because we’re winning
Herbert is like drafting a 85 ovr qb in madden stuck on normal development
😂😂😂😂😂
And constantly fails the "throw for 350 yards and WIN" scenarios to up his development
@@FullMetalXV right lol has all the great games until its prime time and time for a breakout scenario 😂 too good to not pay and let go of, but too many bad decisions to ever be top 5 and win anything
You are crazy…Herbert is the best qb since Dan Marino…. Period!
You are crazy…Herbert is the best qb since Dan Marino…. Period!
Justin Herbert & Josh Allen gets treated like a favorite children by media 💯
It’s cause they the last of the blue collar white boy story that Americans love same with burrow but he at least backs it up
@@AllWalksOLdoes he though?
Allen > Herbert any day of the week
@@eddieschus8204 Both of them are the same all stars and no winning
@@AllWalksOLY’all just love to turn everything into a race thing huh
You know what else he has? He has a 27 - 27 career record and 13 INT in the 4th quarter when his team was down by 1 possession or less.
I actually had no idea lol. In my opinion he might have been abit over paid. I know the market blah blah blah.
And the most game winning drives since he entered the league. Sounds like hes being put into 1 score games more than he needs to be . No hes not perfect and he had a bad game against dallas but lets not pretend he doesnt have a horrible coach with a horrible defense that constantly puts him into 1 score games
They gave a QB who can't win a playoff game max money 😂😂😂😂😂 Hilarious
@@nickscaglione9906That isn't true at all. Why lie?? The stat is easy to look up. Mahommes is #1 at 51 and #2 is Rodgers at 47. Herbert fans got to make up stats😂😂
also best qb in terms of turn over worthy play %....career record let me know what qb with a bottom 5 defense is successful, ill wait for that list, you wont find one but ill wait regardless
Nobody ever mentions that every since pep Hamilton was let go after Herbert rookie year, hes regressed. I do t care about what his stats say, Justin Herbert hasn’t elevated like everyone thought he would after the first year and no one ever speaks on his underachieving
Ppl either gloss over this or say hes the worst.. reality is, ourside of Justin Fields, hes in a worst situation then any drafted qb since 2020.. ofc he hasnt reached his potential
@@losc.1587stop it lmao there’s several QBs who are in way worse situations
The only outlet that actually puts pressure on Justin Herbert
yup... Finally !!
If everyone else gets that treatment... He should too!
Exactly finally 👏
Pressure on Herbert? Have u seen the chargers defense since 2020? Stats wise is the worst defense in NFL HISTORY 🤡
Pressure on Herbert? Have u seen the chargers defense since 2020? Stats wise is the worst defense in NFL HISTORY 🤡
Pressure on Herbert? Have u seen the chargers defense since 2020? Stats wise is the worst defense in NFL HISTORY 🤡
Cowboys Fan.....Herbert was literally pressured 42% of his dropbacks and the most he's been pressured all season....What dallas wasn't getting was sacks but they were definitely getting after him.......he missed some key throws and then they were handed a TD with that scuffed punt recovery.
The goal post moving anytime the boys get a win there's always some negative stat on the other team on why they won...\
More excuses for Herbert
@kivngken why would i make an excuse for the opposing teams Qb.... lol think before you comment.....shady said he wasn't pressured at all, which was a false statement.
If Herbert was pressured on 42% of his pass attempts, why was he sacked only once and hit only eight times? We're the Cowboys pulling up at the last moment?
Head coach and Herbert are not producing, giving the org there moneys worth. How about that?
@@marksucksmybird4456because he was evading sacks and throwing early. Which is why he was off most of the game
Respect to Shady for keeping that same energy with Herbert as he does with Fields
One thing about shady he gone keep it real
@@Valid.4lup until it’s time to keep it Real about Hurts and the Eagles
@@Valid.4lno he’s not. When it comes to the Eagles he biased asf
@@terquanrush9414 to a degree but he tends to be fair
I do think shady and jones tend to be most fair but I still find acho hilarious I can kind of understand both sides to the argument tbh
Can we all relax on Herbert. He had a bad game, it happens to all great quarterbacks. Might be his worst game of his career. He doesn’t usually miss throws like he did. But now people want to start talking like he isn’t that good, stop it.
Playoff game Jacksonville excuse
27-27 mid
The coach and Herbert not producing and giving the org theirs moneys worth. You all still want Herbert over tua or are you ride or die? :) hahah
What are they talking about? Herbert was pressured on over 40% of his dropbacks in that game
😭😭😪🥲
Also saying justin herbet can’t finish a game when he’s second behind mahomes in game winking drives
A lot of people dont bring up the topic that COACHES MATTER i will die on this hill mahomes andy reid, lamar john harbough, joe burrow zac taylor from tht mccvay tree, josh allen sean mcdermett(WHO CAN ACTUALLY GIVE U A GOOD DEFENSE) herb has had staley and anthony lynn! Like he has been at a coaching disadvantage yes he had a bad game vs the cowboys which he took accountability for! So i just wanna wait until i see a competent coach cuz herbert has shown me he has talent!
We like the new Acho , Keep it real …
He has no choice. He has to be careful with his words bc he got made look like a complete idiot/bozo last year
Because he is a bozo
@@edgoat14how wha happened😆
@@drizzyy8363 watch the segment 👀
Ladies and gentlemen, Herbert is slowly going down the Matt Ryan, Phillip rivers path, high yards , no wins to show for
Dan Marino.
@@chadwickerman Herbert got a long way to go to be mentioned in the same vicinity as Marino! that's insulting! Matt Ryan & Philip Rivers couldn't touch Marino in his hay day. Philip Rivers never went to a SB & near will Herbert his successor. Marino went to a Championship, had no run game, & play with arm talent alone, & his defense we'rent exactly World breakers! despite both teams putting up record breaking numbers, the 49ers had to much talent in all 3 phrases, they were'nt the best team in football for nothing.
@@ThePhins1972Marino also went from one HoF HC to another.
Herbert needs to leave like Brees in order to be all he can be. The Chargers are a historically blah franchise.
Herbert’s got a gun but he misses open receivers a lot. Purdy has a much weaker arm but he’s much more accurate and therefore the offense succeeds. Perhaps it is on Herbert
Herb missed**, not "misses".. 3 yrs of quarterbacking says he makes those throws more than misses them.. Purdy is not more accurate, he has better weapons, better coaching, better defense.. which=wins
LamarJackson has won games with his two best offensive lineman out all 3 starting backs out 3 of his starting DB out and he was 8 and 3 before he got hurt last year
CAP
Justin Herbert is Jim Everett 2.0
Doing what First take wouldn’t do, this is why this is my favorite sports show!
Don’t know what you talking about.,😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
FTF better
@@Boomi_Doggiant facts
Bravo 👏. Let me guess , you all still want Herbert over Tua? :)
Herbert was under pressure that whole game. He just wasn't sacked till the end of the game.
🎉 credit the defense ! Thank you!!!
Acho has always hated Herbert because he already has had a better career than Acho prayed for. This is all on Staley. 47% percent of the time he had pressure on him and to them the cowboys did not pressure him at all
herbert and the chargers are throat goats
@Jit-Trippin spoken by a person looking to get popular. Funny go back to trying to get subscribers I'll keep watching football
so who missed keenan allen wide open for ez tds
He’s 27-27, at some point you gotta make something happen.
It’s not all on Staley. You have to hold players accountable and. And adjustments. Let me guess , you all still want Herbert over Tua? :)
From a Bengals fan - yes, the Chargers are getting their money’s worth from Justin Herbert. Top 10 offense every year - he’s doing his job. I knew the defenses were bad but 27th since he entered? Bottom 5 defense, every year for four years?
Did some more reading - Chargers defense has allowed more points to opposing offenses than Justin Herbert and the Chargers offense have scored. You can’t win like that.
Did some even more reading. Justin Herbert leads the entire league since 2020 in successful game winning drives. He’s also faltered in the 4th quarter the most; he’s always in this situation. That’s the problem, and that’s why this is the narrative with him.
You’re not always going to win those close games and every game for the Chargers seems to be a close game - I also didn’t know Staley was a defensive coach, I thought he was more involved with offense. Justin’s best defense definitely was during his rookie year when he was still finding his footing. A handful of losses that stir the narrative came during that rookie season.
Chargers games are always close, if anything, Justin Herbert seems to be the only reason they’ve had success as minimal as it is. And Acho, really? Still with comparing situations and QB’s by mentioning Tua? I’m really happy and trust Joe Burrow. I don’t think Miami fans are complaining one bit about Tua, and I haven’t seen any Chargers fans abandon their team or bash their QB. All of them are great but whatever gets this show it’s clicks I guess.
Also, WHO DEY?!
Apparently people only care about this year to evaluate a QB but bring up Lamar’s MVP season
Acho face when he said “my case has been rested” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 dawg I need to find a way to watch this live but i stay listening to the full show. JOY ❤️
As a Charger fan, this was Herbert’s worst game he’s played. The vast majority of the games we lose are NOT Herbert’s fault, but this game was on him. He missed the throws he normally makes that decide whether or not we win games. But Acho’s Herbert hate is pure delusion. Bravo to James Jones for humbling Acho and finally bringing up our GARBAGE DEFENSE, for which STALEY calls the shots… FIRE STALEY
Hebert is my dawg bro. I love him. But he’s been cheeks all year this year besides the Vikings game. He Missed throws vs MIA vs TEN vs DAL and vs LV as well.
Herbert is great it just feels like he doesn’t show up during must win situations
@@Bighoodiekid he’s inconsistent. 2 years ago vs PIT on SMF he was OUTSTANDING. last years vs MIA (they were red hot) on SNF, he BALLED. He needs to be more consistent.
@@edgoat14 Herbert still has a top 5 QBR in the league and a top 5 lowest TD:INT ratio… He absolutely balls out more often than not. BUT, like I said, this was the worst single game Herbert has played imo, and I’ve watched every single one of them from start to finish. The defense did their job for the most part this game aside from blowing a few coverages (as they do EVERY game), but Herbert was just off this game and misfired on the throws that decide our games normally. He completes either one of those chunk throws to Keenan and the world is singing a different tune… my point is that our defense is BY FAR the biggest issue with the team on a regular basis, for which STALEY calls the shots. Staley’s GARBAGE defense is unfairly putting Herbert in these situations on a weekly basis where he has be Superman for us to win. Idgaf about his talent, the other side of the ball has to hold up their end of the bargain for the team to win. “Defense wins championships” right?
FIRE BRANDON STALEY
This was the knock on him coming out of college and into the draft. He lacks leadership and clutch intangibles. Great talent but something is missing.
Bro had 1 bad game in years and everyone thinks he’s washed 😭😭💀 come on bro if this was josh Allen or even mahomes people wouldn’t even have this conversation
I'm tired of acho trying to blame all the chargers issues on herbert, staley is unanimously a terrible coach who shouldn't have a job, his skill position players are always hurt and their defense has been awful for years. Im not saying you cant criticize him for anything because he was bad yesterday and he's had his share of shortcomings but trying to put it all on him is stupid
you should know by now bro......look as a broncos fan i heard it all with russ. dont let them get to you they gotta make they money talkin
That's what they do to wyte QBs. Make excuses excuses for them losing
Herbert sucks
But Justin has made Tua, Tannehill.and Dak look like da 2nd coming of Joe Montana amd Steve Young.
*NFL morning shows & analysts are starting to make noooooo sense to me:*
*Scenario 1:* In the past 2 years, Russell Wilson has lost 6 games, that were lost by 3 points or less. *NFL analysts: "Russ needs to be cut. Russ is washed. Russ needs to be benched. He getting $250Million and no results."*
*Scenario 2:* In the past 2 years, Justin Herbert has lost 11 games, that were lost by 3 points or less. *NFL analysts: "Its not Justin Herberts fault. He getting $265Million and he deserves every penny. Headcoach is trash. Defense is rubbish".*
*And I`m like, huuuuuh????* 🤔🙄🤨😐🥴😕😟🙁☹😮 *WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??????* make it make sense.
What i notice when it comes to ppl and media talking about QBs they expect QBs to be every marvel and DC character 😹😹😹
The Chargers defense had 4 ints in the playoff game on Lawrence. It's not like Herbert put up all them points with no help.
QB Herbert is OVERRATED!! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Why is no one talking about how much Hurts is getting paid to lead the league in picks?
That Aaron Rodgers stray was filthy 🤣
but 100% the truth... Even Flacco had more succes
JJ, you can say the same thing about every teams that had a lead in first half and end up losing in the end. The game is 4 quarters not 2 so you keep on the gas until the clock runs out. Lamar would have gotten the blame if he didn't do anything in the second half of the game, even Allen would get blame and Tua, Dax, n Hurts too. Herbert is good but he has to play for 4 quarters not 2.
I’m a chargers fan myself, but to say that they are not getting the moneys worth and bash him?? He had a bad game! Herbert’s numbers don’t lie, the defense needs to step up and play better and the coaching staff needs to improve
Im a phin's fan and im kinda tired of the comparisons lol. Both teams are happy with their guy, it's that simple.
Bro your doing exactly what they are pointing out your blaming everyone else not Herbert think about it this way a QB can go down the field 90 yards every drive and kick a field goal and end up with 300+ yards every game and lose a lot that’s Herbert stop bringing up stats dude literally can’t win games
@@kivngken I’m speaking facts? I love the chargers but in reality our defense isn’t the best it’s a known thing we need to be able to close out
@@Artyn00dles_ yea but your blaming just the defense and coaching like bro there’s so many games where Herbert has a chance and he fumbles
@@kivngken and I get that but I can name you 3 other TOP QBs who fumble and can’t come up with clutch plays to win the game and are concerned higher in the list that Herbert. It’s just one bad game and they out here bashing the man lol
Herbert is a Tik Tok QB. Its that simple. He looks great in highlights
“Do not make everybody else worse to make Justin Herbert better”
Cut the man some slack, he was just recovering from a fractured finger, of course he's not going to throw it perfect
I can be honest I’m a Justin Herbert fan but Acho hit it on the head right at the end. It’s a difference between numbers and results. Patty Mac the best young QB ( and overall QB ) in the league. But Hurts and Burrow also have shown if the game on the line regardless how it’s went all the way up to that last drive, they will find a way to win a game more times then not, THAT is what Herbert needs to take that next step.
Hurts is a top 20 qb, turn top 10 with that line and wr. Burrow + Hurts both have not 1, but 2 wr who can take the top off..
Idt I've seen Hurts win a game. His team is just stacked...
while they are both better coached. Who is coaching Herbert?
@@sora4440 put the drink down or just say you dont watch football lmao. “ I never seen hurts win a game “ has to be one of the most insane hater takes Ive heard lmao. You gotta go into concussion protocol cause you showing signs of CTE with this take lmao
@@sora4440 if you never seen Hurts win a game , then do you mind if I ask for an autograph because you gotta be Stevie Wonder. Lmao
Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert get all this praise for being tall white boys but haven't done a darn thing
Joy with that Chung Li energy😍😍😍
Its a team game you clowns. Nobody is scoring enough points to carry that defence
Justin Sherbert 😂😂
All that and they'll probably still rank him above Unanimous MVP & higher winning percentage through 3 seasons Lamar Jackson!🤦🏾♂smh...
Thank you! They're so hypocritical.
@@thetruthisthelight0910 Right, I hope they see the light! Dope name btw..
I’m excited to see Herbert bounce back in his career. The talking heads will do what they do.
Same. Once he wins this will be a moot point
“America, maybe you were wrong!”
Couldn’t have said it better lol
Wyte people wont admit they were dead wrong on herbert and Jackson. They are stuck on the herbert train
I’m on the Herbert train. Choo, choo!
I’m also on the Burrow and Tua train. Choo,choo!
Oulls race card, to prove he knows nothing
Bravo 👏. The coach and Herbert not producing and giving the org theirs moneys worth. You all still want Herbert over tua or are you ride or die? :) hahah
Acho be speaking the most, but saying the least
I hate that Herbert since a starter stat 😂 Mahomes played 1 game is first year.
Football talk shows have become very QB-centric. The QB is just a part of the team. There was pressure on Herbert the whole game. How about blaming the coaching staff for not implementing a game plan to deal with that pressure? Team game.
I get what your trying to say but let’s say the chargers win, who gets the credit? Herbert or the coaches
@@mlh0598whoever does good
how about not missing wide open recievers multiple times fir ez scores
So we’re just going to forget the Herbert hit Palmer for 52 years to win last game 😂. Also he’s not even fully healthy, is missing his starting center and mike Williams and is still keeping his team in games.
“Keeping his teams in games” but is LOSINGGGGG stop making excuses
Yeah and he has a broken finger so he can’t really grip the ball nothing about that huh ?
@@jenv1234 on his non throwing hand... whats there to grip
@@jenv1234 on his non throwing hand yea sure that’ll affect him
@@ShinobiXXXBDO I’d like to see you throw a ball with a broken finger no matter what friggin hand give me a break you’re not just throwing it in the backyard with your buddy guys are coming out you full speed throwing you on the ground with a broken finger that can’t feel good
I absolutely love Acho’s catchy phrases/lines….he hits them directly on the nail! “Don’t make everyone on the team worse so that Justin Herbert looks better!” Great point! I recall when Aaron Rogers was doing that with the Packers 😮
I think with Herbert, we all know what he can do, but it's what he doesn't do that's frustrating. He has all the talent in the world; but when it comes time to make the plays or throws to win the game, he doesn't make them.
he literally made the play to win the game the week before vs the titans
@@eslakerfan I'm not talking about one game though; I'm looking at his whole career. The playoff game against Jacksonville was probably the biggest game in his career; how did he let them come back despite being up 27-0? I know Staley is a terrible coach, but if you "that guy", you don't let your team lose that game.
@@peacewilliam-west2249he literally has the 2nd most GW drives since entering the league lol… But sure lets not hold Ekeler accountable with that -1 yard total in the 2nd half that Jags game in week 7 the season after. Or Dicker missing a FG that could have pretty much sealed the game. No let’s only blame Herbert week in, week out. It gives click and that’s the only reason.
@@peacewilliam-west2249 the game before that he went 40/47 3 tds to beat the Vikings
@@Markizinho Nah, that's just how we judge quarterbacks. The quarterback position is the most important position in all the sports; and whether it's fair or not, they get most of the credit when their team wins and a lion's share of the blame when their team loses. You said that he has the second most game-winning drives since he has entered the league in 2020? Fair enough, but have you ever considered who those game-winning drives are against? Of his 14 game winning drives, he beat Atlanta twice (Record: 4-12, 7-10), Cleveland twice (Record 8-9, 7-10), Denver twice (Record: 5-11, 5-12), the Raiders (Record 8-8), Washington (Record: 7-10), Kansas City (Record: 12-5), Philadelphia (Record: 9-8), Pittsburgh (Record: 9-7-1), Arizona (Record: 4-13), Tennessee (Record: 7-10), and this year he beat Minnesota (Record: 2-4). While 14 game winning drives is no trivial accomplishment because it is very difficult to win in the NFL, most of them are against teams with losing records. It's my fault for not clarifying; I meant when it's time to win big games, he doesn't make the plays to win. Unfortunately for him, one of the most important criteria that we judge quarterbacks on is what they do in big games. In the only playoff game he played in, he lost a 27-7 lead, and his team scored 3 points in the second half. There have also been winnable games against the Chiefs he's played in and couldn't get it done. When you combine that with the fact that he is 27-28 as a starter in the regular season, it's hard to place him in the elite category.
But if Herbert is great he should be able to win that game at the end. Brady won a lot of games despite his great defense at the end. Qbs have to finish the game. Chargers have had the most talent for decades. I refuse to put Herbert on a pedestal the same way we did Rivers. They had the most talent around them, they were great but still leave a lot to be desired. Oh Mahomes is in the way of Herbert. But so was Brady and great qbs or teams overcome them
Bro this whole video has been music to my ears finally people are talking about Herbert not being elite
doesnt get it done when it comes to it, is successful over 50% of his clutch situations better than every team except 3
these guys really said cowboys got no pressure on herbert, that just tells you everything
No they said that on the open throws the guy was open Justin Herbert is mid
@@kivngken nope they literally said he wasnt pressured just because they are going off sacks, they just further proved acho and the women know not what they speak of 🤷🏼♂️
@@kivngken all of acho points are debunkable, i think they purposely dont let them use factual stats to not embarrass him at this point
@@joshlugo5629 lmao more excusss bro Herbert is mid and has nothing to show for it but stat padding
Justin Herbert needs an offensive minded head coach.
He really said Cowboys got no pressure all game. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 lost me with that one.
He just looked at the stat sheet and saw 1 sack smh
I mean he is right and I'm a cowboy fan.
@@captainchaosxx3866he’s wrong Cowboys pressured Herbert at the highest rate of his entire career
@@marcusrudolph5961 pressure /= sack. Example, you force a QB to run out of the pocket and a QB throws the ball away before getting sacked. that is a pressure. Win for the Defense, even if it isnt a sack.
@@captainchaosxx3866 you definitely didn’t watch that game because the stats tell a much different story
If Dak played like Justin Herbert this past Monday he would’ve been slaughtered, despite Dak getting paid less than him. Micah Parsons’ point is starting to be clear as day
shadys take that herbert is CLEARLY better than trevor aging like wonderful spoiled milk 🤣🤣
They need a a coach that can maximize their talent. Imagine if someone like Daboll or McVay had these kind of weapons.
Even with Daboll and Mcvay, if your quarterback doesn’t have the winning mentality then you can’t do nothing
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mYou taking Daniel Jones over Herbert?
Coach and Herbert not producing. You still want Herbert over tua :)
It’s a Brandon Staley problem. It’s always been a Brandon Staley problem. I can’t tell you how much the chargers remind me of past lions teams. The second stafford moved to a competent organization he won a Super Bowl. This is the same exact situation.
Does James Jones not realize Mahomes up until last year was playing with horrible defenses and getting to Super Bowls and AFC championships. The excuses are disgusting.
Mahomes has never had a defense as bad as Herbert’s best defense my guy. He’s also had Andy Reid on his sideline you think he’s winning super bowls with Brandon Staley
Wow you’re dumb. Go look up Herbert’s defense vs Mahomes. Mahomes worst def has never been even as close to as bad as Herbert’s BEST def. You’re just ignorant.
@@Bandicoot19 Chiefs 2018 were ranked 27th in defense made AFC championship, Chiefs 2020 ranked 22nd in defense Won Super Bowl. Chargers were ranked 11th in defense last year and blew a 30 point lead that they had gained from all of Lawrence’s turnovers and having great field position. You can keep making excuses for Herbert but it doesn’t add up.
acho talking bout “my case has been rested” got me crying😭🤦🏻♂️acho SPITTIN
My daughter goes her last year at Oregon and nephews and Lil cousins all went or you play football I seen every college play Justin Herb. Good kid great kid good athlete, great arm plenty of heart, we can say the exact same thing about Tua the differences the it factor. I’ve been watching football a lot of year, some quarterbacks and being dolphin fan. It hurts to say Tom Brady was one San Antonio Spurs or another when it’s time with the game on the line either you have “IT” or you don’t. What Justin Herbert is lacking. Nothing against the kid. Great kid. Ryan Tannehill had all the talent in the world but when it comes down to Wames and they need a drive you might need to drive. I take TUA Tagovailoa. seven days a week.
brady never won anything without a top 10 defense, just in reference Herbert has a combined 27 th ranked defense since joining league
@@joshlugo5629 Brady also didn't have Herbert's top 10 offense. If the Chargers defense is bad, then their offense has to win games. Like Mahomes did his first couple of years. Chiefs had bad defense but Mahomes was outscoring and outdueling the other team and winning that way. Herbert shrinks in every big moment we've seen him. How you score 30 in the playoffs in first half but can't score anything 2nd half?
@@sonikspeed19 mahomes has never won anything with a bottom scoring defense.....you see the correlation that no one has won anything without a decent defense, yet herbert is expected too, my only explanation would be that you think hes the best qb in nfl history so you have those expectations for him
Of course a dolphins fan would take tua 😂
He's 27wins 27 loses 😂😂but y'all said ELITE wow then hate on Dak 😂😂😂