If I hadn't built a V3X 33 this last year I would be buying this bow... I still have my BEAR Divergent EKO and still hunt with it in tight country and still love that bow. BEAR just doesn't get the respect it deserves IMO despite several companies copying things BEAR brought to market first.
Bear has been improving every year in the flagship market. The guys I have talked to at the bow shop said that this bow can definitely keep up with the competition of the other big names. In fact, the owner of the bow shop said that he thinks last year's bear refine is better than last year's Matthews flagship and he has access to any biw he wants. I hope to visit the shop in two weeks so I can this new bow by bear. It will be a 6-hour drive so I will make a weekend of it. Lol
I own a V3X 33 and a BEAR Divergent EKO and I shot a Refine quite a lot last year before buying the Mathews. The Mathews is easily the better bow but the Refine is 9/10s as good in most respects and its MUCH better then anything from Hoyt (no idea why Hoyt gets so much love for their bows... theyre awful in my experience) or the others IMO. The V3X and the new Phase 4 really are that good... but IMO BEAR still deserves a LOT more respect then they get... several of the big hype companies have copied things off Bear bows and tried to claim them as "innovative".
Local bow shop had to put a down payment to get a shipment of Matthew’s Lifts in.. had a firesale on these bows and got my Execute 32 brand new in early 2024 for $700
My recommendation (that I know you didn’t ask for) if you’re willing to spend top dollar would be to check out Mathews or Hoyt. Bear is great for entry to mid level, but their high end stuff really just doesn’t stack up, especially for the price. V3X or RX7 every day, never mind whatever their new releases will be for 2023. There really is quite the difference 👍🏼
Step up in price was inevitable. No way any company is going to be able to maintain former prices with the cost of raw materials going up along with everything else. I'm sure Bear makes a great bow but I don't see people paying $1200.00 for them.
Bear is going to need to market as a top end bow if they want to charge top end prices. Get into the competition scene, get into the better social influencer hand, provide better warranty and create replaceable parts forever like hoyt and mathews.
The last two yes perhaps, but the first two, no I don't think so. Bear has always been about HUNTING bows, not competition. Most of their market does come from middle or lower middle class houshoulds, average country folks who go out and hunt which is why Bear is known as the working man's bow company. Even Fred Bear's campaign was about bow hunting and getting it accepted more than marketing. The benefit was people recognized that and respected him for the ethics he promoted, then they supported his company for those reasons. That is a big difference between what Fred Bear did and today's "influencers". Speed may sell, but down to earth people who use their heads don't buy based on social influences. They go out and see how a bow feels and justify if feel, performance, and cost are all acceptable. Some will like the feel of a Bear, others an Elite, and some a Hoyt. I personally can't stand the feel of a Hoyt, it just doesn't feel natural in my hand(this is for models going back 8 years now at least.) If someone target shoots only, and competes with a bow, maybe looking at how a company does competitively would be important. For a hunter, the first and foremost consideration should be how YOU shoot the bow, not how others have shot with it.
@@patrickhenry236 my point is, how can they justify charging that price. You said it yourself they have always been a middle class or lower bow. If you are charging just as much as a high end bow, then you need to at least do what high end bow companies are doing. Meaning, invest money into target. There is a lot of valuable information that is learned from the target archers that can be implemented into hunting bows. Just as companies use technology developed and tested in race cars to make street cars a better experience. I was speaking based on a P & L level debate. If you aren't paying for advertisement, sponsoring pro shooters, sponsoring big influencers to use, test, and review your bows then where is the money going and why can't you charge a little less? Now if it was a better product then maybe I could see that. You know a marketing scheme of we don't spend a bunch of money on all that other stuff, we add more value in the bow than they do but are able to charge the same amount. But it's not a better product. It's just not. It's not even as good. It's good, or it at least looks good, but it's not as good as a V3 and the V3 came out in 2020.
@@HuntsT If Jimmy Brown was jumping off a bridge would you do it too? BEAR doesn't need to do anything other bow companies are doing, they must need to do what bear does. The fact that they are offering a higher end bow is nothing for them nor does it mean they have abandoned their roots. Let me ask you two questions. 1. What is the difference between paying $1100 for 4 pounds of aluminum, composite, and cordage... and paying $1100 for a different 4 pounds of aluminum, composite, and cordage? 2. Getting back to the idea of hunting bows, how big are the groups that you shoot into a deer during hunting season?
@@patrickhenry236 that’s my opinion homie. If you like the bow, buy it. If you want to buy a bow that will be worth nothing in 5 years, go for it. Won’t be able to get parts for it anyways so who cares what it’s worth. Buy it man, I honestly don’t care. If you feel it’s worth your money then go for it. I don’t feel it’s worth mine.
Bear is still living on its roots in the traditional scene anyways. What made them famous was the patent on the fiberglass composite limbs, they owned the market. I have a bear grizzly recurve from 1972, it’s still a great bow. But I’m not buying a bear compound, especially not if they are the same price of bows I feel bring more value and retain their value for years if I ever want to sell it.
Ouch, one of Fred Bear’s key principals was making bows that were affordable to encourage bowhunting. Well I guess they don’t need to do that anymore; while I understand the need to stay competitive, this is a tactic that will backfire for Bear Archery.
I mean your more than welcome to go with the more affordable Legend XR bow. Both were released at the same time. If you want the higher quality then you have to pay a higher price.
@@UtiNo6 yes, of course. I simply see the entire hunting industry becoming so gear (and dollar) centric that it is redefining hunting. I’m going back to a stick bow🤠
Always been a fan of Bear bows, but they were always just a step behind. Glad to see them stepping up their game. Bear could be one of the top three bows if they keep it up
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Why did people pay $10K for flat screen TVs when they first came out when a box/tube was cheaper and functional? Part of the problem is inflation, the other is any technology or proprietary refinements being built in. Put in simple words, old tech is cheaper, new tech carries a cost.
@@Archie_Fletcher Value is based on individual perception. What you just said is opinion, not fact. For you, you feel other bows would be worth it, but not Bear. That is fine. There are people who will choose this bow over your choices though, and that is also fine.
@@patrickhenry236 I agree, I know there are people who would. My opinion is that people prepared to spend this kind of money should know the differences between a high end Bear and a high end Hoyt or Mathews. There aren’t a lot of reasons to choose the Bear, other than strictly expenditure. And in that case I’d probably recommend the Hoyt Torres XT anyhow
@@patrickhenry236 It also does happen to be fact. I could understand if warranties mean nothing to you personally, but the inferior warranties offered by Bear do mean that factually, this bow is not worth its salt compared to the flagship bows of the high end lines. Simply not worth the money for what you’re paying for, and how the bow feels/performs next to a Hoyt or Mathews. Bear’s specialty is not their high end lines, I’ll put it that way
Inflation is going to hit everything. Nice thing is you can get a new bear in the 400 to 500 dollar range as well, you aren't limited to the flagship model.
@@ikeyeet8312 like I said, they make models that don't cost what their flagship model costs. No one is telling you that you need to buy it. Bear does a lot trying to put together budget friendly ready to hunt packages for people who don't want to spend top dollar. I only own one compound right now, and it's a 24 year old Jennings. My passion for archery is on the traditional side. I have several recurve ranging from vintage 1960s bear models, a custom Toelke, and a 2020 Bear takedown. Put your money into what you enjoy. I won't tell you to do any different.
These limbs look so much better.... the only thing I hated about bear bows were the limbs looked cheap.... these look great....I WOULD BUY A BEAR BEFORE ID EVER BUY A MATHEWS
I’m glad they did a complete re design instead of tweaking previous years bows! Looking forward to this bow
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If I hadn't built a V3X 33 this last year I would be buying this bow... I still have my BEAR Divergent EKO and still hunt with it in tight country and still love that bow. BEAR just doesn't get the respect it deserves IMO despite several companies copying things BEAR brought to market first.
Bear has been improving every year in the flagship market. The guys I have talked to at the bow shop said that this bow can definitely keep up with the competition of the other big names. In fact, the owner of the bow shop said that he thinks last year's bear refine is better than last year's Matthews flagship and he has access to any biw he wants. I hope to visit the shop in two weeks so I can this new bow by bear. It will be a 6-hour drive so I will make a weekend of it. Lol
I own a V3X 33 and a BEAR Divergent EKO and I shot a Refine quite a lot last year before buying the Mathews. The Mathews is easily the better bow but the Refine is 9/10s as good in most respects and its MUCH better then anything from Hoyt (no idea why Hoyt gets so much love for their bows... theyre awful in my experience) or the others IMO. The V3X and the new Phase 4 really are that good... but IMO BEAR still deserves a LOT more respect then they get... several of the big hype companies have copied things off Bear bows and tried to claim them as "innovative".
Nice looking bow to bad about the 200 price increase. I bet the big 4 will be going up in price as well.
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Looks like a good bow, but it’s hard to justify when there are other great options out there especially at $1200 like Mathews and Hoyt.
You’re assuming they won’t raise their prices for 2023. If bear went up 200 so will the others.
You’re assuming they won’t raise their prices for 2023. If bear went up 200 so will the others.
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Local bow shop had to put a down payment to get a shipment of Matthew’s Lifts in.. had a firesale on these bows and got my Execute 32 brand new in early 2024 for $700
I'm gonna have to check this bow out.
My recommendation (that I know you didn’t ask for) if you’re willing to spend top dollar would be to check out Mathews or Hoyt. Bear is great for entry to mid level, but their high end stuff really just doesn’t stack up, especially for the price. V3X or RX7 every day, never mind whatever their new releases will be for 2023. There really is quite the difference 👍🏼
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I’ve shot bear for several years, and it looks like they upped the anty this year. Great speed and super quiet!
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The whitetail legend pro was a lot of bow for $550...!!!! The riser was cast and lacked refining but it was still a great bow for the $
hello, i want to acquire a bears bow and hesitate between the refine eko and exsecute 32. which would be better to choose and why. thank you
Got my 2022 refine eko fully kitted out for under 800. I'm good on a 1200 bow with nothing integrated
Step up in price was inevitable. No way any company is going to be able to maintain former prices with the cost of raw materials going up along with everything else. I'm sure Bear makes a great bow but I don't see people paying $1200.00 for them.
Why not it’s just as fast, light weight and quiet as every top end flagship bow out there
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Doesn’t look too bad! Maybe this will keep up with the Hoyt and Mathews releases from two years ago lol
Where can I get a 32 Inches draw lenght?
too bad they don't get out to 31" draw length, also 34"-35" ATA would sure be nice too.
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Bear is going to need to market as a top end bow if they want to charge top end prices. Get into the competition scene, get into the better social influencer hand, provide better warranty and create replaceable parts forever like hoyt and mathews.
The last two yes perhaps, but the first two, no I don't think so. Bear has always been about HUNTING bows, not competition. Most of their market does come from middle or lower middle class houshoulds, average country folks who go out and hunt which is why Bear is known as the working man's bow company. Even Fred Bear's campaign was about bow hunting and getting it accepted more than marketing. The benefit was people recognized that and respected him for the ethics he promoted, then they supported his company for those reasons. That is a big difference between what Fred Bear did and today's "influencers".
Speed may sell, but down to earth people who use their heads don't buy based on social influences. They go out and see how a bow feels and justify if feel, performance, and cost are all acceptable. Some will like the feel of a Bear, others an Elite, and some a Hoyt. I personally can't stand the feel of a Hoyt, it just doesn't feel natural in my hand(this is for models going back 8 years now at least.) If someone target shoots only, and competes with a bow, maybe looking at how a company does competitively would be important. For a hunter, the first and foremost consideration should be how YOU shoot the bow, not how others have shot with it.
@@patrickhenry236 my point is, how can they justify charging that price. You said it yourself they have always been a middle class or lower bow. If you are charging just as much as a high end bow, then you need to at least do what high end bow companies are doing. Meaning, invest money into target. There is a lot of valuable information that is learned from the target archers that can be implemented into hunting bows. Just as companies use technology developed and tested in race cars to make street cars a better experience. I was speaking based on a P & L level debate. If you aren't paying for advertisement, sponsoring pro shooters, sponsoring big influencers to use, test, and review your bows then where is the money going and why can't you charge a little less? Now if it was a better product then maybe I could see that. You know a marketing scheme of we don't spend a bunch of money on all that other stuff, we add more value in the bow than they do but are able to charge the same amount. But it's not a better product. It's just not. It's not even as good. It's good, or it at least looks good, but it's not as good as a V3 and the V3 came out in 2020.
@@HuntsT If Jimmy Brown was jumping off a bridge would you do it too?
BEAR doesn't need to do anything other bow companies are doing, they must need to do what bear does. The fact that they are offering a higher end bow is nothing for them nor does it mean they have abandoned their roots.
Let me ask you two questions.
1. What is the difference between paying $1100 for 4 pounds of aluminum, composite, and cordage... and paying $1100 for a different 4 pounds of aluminum, composite, and cordage?
2. Getting back to the idea of hunting bows, how big are the groups that you shoot into a deer during hunting season?
@@patrickhenry236 that’s my opinion homie. If you like the bow, buy it. If you want to buy a bow that will be worth nothing in 5 years, go for it. Won’t be able to get parts for it anyways so who cares what it’s worth. Buy it man, I honestly don’t care. If you feel it’s worth your money then go for it. I don’t feel it’s worth mine.
Bear is still living on its roots in the traditional scene anyways. What made them famous was the patent on the fiberglass composite limbs, they owned the market. I have a bear grizzly recurve from 1972, it’s still a great bow. But I’m not buying a bear compound, especially not if they are the same price of bows I feel bring more value and retain their value for years if I ever want to sell it.
Just take my money
Ouch, one of Fred Bear’s key principals was making bows that were affordable to encourage bowhunting. Well I guess they don’t need to do that anymore; while I understand the need to stay competitive, this is a tactic that will backfire for Bear Archery.
I mean your more than welcome to go with the more affordable Legend XR bow. Both were released at the same time. If you want the higher quality then you have to pay a higher price.
@@UtiNo6 yes, of course. I simply see the entire hunting industry becoming so gear (and dollar) centric that it is redefining hunting. I’m going back to a stick bow🤠
@stanogle8977 sooner or later those are gonna cost an arm and a leg too! 😮💨
@Stan Ogle I mean hunting is expensive. It's never been free or cheap.
Would it kill Bear to make a flagship bow that's a 31" draw?....
Good looking bow. However, my Bear Instinct is still just as deadly.
1199 lol not for a bear.. no way
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Why?
Always been a fan of Bear bows, but they were always just a step behind. Glad to see them stepping up their game.
Bear could be one of the top three bows if they keep it up
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Crazy money for a bow… I don’t know why people pay these prices. And other high end bows that cost 1k and more….
Why did people pay $10K for flat screen TVs when they first came out when a box/tube was cheaper and functional?
Part of the problem is inflation, the other is any technology or proprietary refinements being built in. Put in simple words, old tech is cheaper, new tech carries a cost.
Other high end bows are worth their money way better than this bow. RX7s shoot NICE, as does my V3 31”
@@Archie_Fletcher Value is based on individual perception. What you just said is opinion, not fact. For you, you feel other bows would be worth it, but not Bear. That is fine. There are people who will choose this bow over your choices though, and that is also fine.
@@patrickhenry236 I agree, I know there are people who would. My opinion is that people prepared to spend this kind of money should know the differences between a high end Bear and a high end Hoyt or Mathews. There aren’t a lot of reasons to choose the Bear, other than strictly expenditure. And in that case I’d probably recommend the Hoyt Torres XT anyhow
@@patrickhenry236 It also does happen to be fact. I could understand if warranties mean nothing to you personally, but the inferior warranties offered by Bear do mean that factually, this bow is not worth its salt compared to the flagship bows of the high end lines. Simply not worth the money for what you’re paying for, and how the bow feels/performs next to a Hoyt or Mathews. Bear’s specialty is not their high end lines, I’ll put it that way
Wont touch it at the shop with that price increase.
Inflation is going to hit everything. Nice thing is you can get a new bear in the 400 to 500 dollar range as well, you aren't limited to the flagship model.
@@patrickhenry236 I buy my bows of archery talk usually, but I’d never touch a bear at that cost. No matter what inflation is
@@ikeyeet8312 like I said, they make models that don't cost what their flagship model costs. No one is telling you that you need to buy it. Bear does a lot trying to put together budget friendly ready to hunt packages for people who don't want to spend top dollar.
I only own one compound right now, and it's a 24 year old Jennings. My passion for archery is on the traditional side. I have several recurve ranging from vintage 1960s bear models, a custom Toelke, and a 2020 Bear takedown. Put your money into what you enjoy. I won't tell you to do any different.
@@ikeyeet8312 why not? It’s just as fast, quiet and light weight as any top end flagship bow out there
Bear is just as good, if not slightly better, than any other brand out there, right now!
Yikes that's expensive for a Bear.
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5lb bow?!?
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These limbs look so much better.... the only thing I hated about bear bows were the limbs looked cheap.... these look great....I WOULD BUY A BEAR BEFORE ID EVER BUY A MATHEWS
If you practice a $500 to $600 dollar bow kills a day long everyday.
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