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  • @phslhs
    @phslhs 3 года назад +265

    They definitely didn't handle every character in the best way possible, but I do like the idea of a story based around heroes publicly admitting that they need help, too. It's a good message.

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 2 года назад +5

      And they went to a place with no doctors

    • @DarkOmegaMK2
      @DarkOmegaMK2 Год назад +1

      @@ForrestFox626 and died all at once.

  • @arahal-shabanah2106
    @arahal-shabanah2106 4 года назад +1114

    I love how they promised to treat Wally West better...and then...you know...didn’t🙃🙃🙃

    • @snikerz5886
      @snikerz5886 4 года назад +35

      Eh. It was Didos MO. At least he is gone now. Hopefully DC starts treating its characters better.

    • @givemebackmykids5061
      @givemebackmykids5061 4 года назад +7

      id say he's a better character overall, more interesting

    • @beardupbeerdown7355
      @beardupbeerdown7355 3 года назад +10

      He's Dr Manhattan now 😑

    • @notforgetful4926
      @notforgetful4926 3 года назад +24

      I hated the day they made wally "the fastest man alive". it made me feel like they were gonna replace barry completely

    • @doodoobrown7551
      @doodoobrown7551 3 года назад +41

      @@notforgetful4926 they did replace him entirely, what are you even talking about? He disappeared at the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Wally was THE flash for 3 decades.

  • @RecoveringLoLAddict
    @RecoveringLoLAddict 4 года назад +616

    writing aside, the art looks incredible.

    • @keithc9289
      @keithc9289 4 года назад +25

      I bought every comic. I hated this series story wise. Everything just didnt make sense. But you are correct the art was so awesome.

    • @saharasafari4529
      @saharasafari4529 4 года назад +9

      It’s great

    • @oops_dot_jpeg
      @oops_dot_jpeg 4 года назад +8

      The art is gorgeous

  • @slothful2039
    @slothful2039 4 года назад +644

    I liked the idea of exploring Wally's trauma after losing his family. But did they seriously need to make him a murderer?

    • @aiyenurooluwaseun2280
      @aiyenurooluwaseun2280 4 года назад +32

      Seems a lot over the top.

    • @tomoplayzzOfficial
      @tomoplayzzOfficial 3 года назад +9

      Darth Pancake Studios Wally: I swear to god it was my brother look he is over there points and runs. other hero’s looking: 👀. Batman: his family is dead....

    • @biondisubbaiah
      @biondisubbaiah 3 года назад +6

      I'm pretty sure they will come up with some other way to show it wasn't really him probably an evil clone or something😂

    • @ok_myro8717
      @ok_myro8717 3 года назад +4

      injustice intensifies

    • @mechmaster315
      @mechmaster315 3 года назад +4

      Well that aspect was later retcon to be Reverse Flash’s doing

  • @kowxley1793
    @kowxley1793 4 года назад +1427

    Welcome to another episode of "How to destroy loved characters"

    • @chunky5373
      @chunky5373 4 года назад +69

      Bruh I can’t believe they did Wally like that

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 4 года назад +41

      @@chunky5373 me neither, Im still very pissed off, not to mention Im currently discovering a lot of post crisis stuff and Wally is one of my favorite character at this point

    • @Troll_vs.
      @Troll_vs. 4 года назад +53

      I loved the concept of this story. But wally has had way to much shit happend. Been sidelined for like years then come back to be a liability in multiple different stories. And now this. I would've prefered the killer be booster gold (not harley she deserves to have some good)going through mental issues over being a fake hero and having time travel tech but not being able to save anyone.

    • @dg9444
      @dg9444 4 года назад +2

      But flash forward seems good and this basically sets it up.

    • @flower_girl4983
      @flower_girl4983 4 года назад +1

      Give me a short answer, who was responsible for the deaths of people in the sanctuary?

  • @xgray2012
    @xgray2012 4 года назад +526

    "Heroes in Crisis
    *......We killed the DC Rebirth line-up and Wally West!!!* "

    • @gamestogo6742
      @gamestogo6742 4 года назад +13

      I AGREE

    • @nerihawks9339
      @nerihawks9339 3 года назад +3

      That was confusing as hell, also it seems that the writer has a major hate-on for wally

    • @musicfrfrr6836
      @musicfrfrr6836 3 года назад

      Mhm

  • @GreatGreenGoo
    @GreatGreenGoo 4 года назад +515

    I dont like this. I like the idea of Sanctuary but I HATE what they did to Wally West. They could have had Wally West accidentally kill people... BUT having him consciously frame Booster and Harley is so god damn out of character I cant even....

    • @williamharmon4039
      @williamharmon4039 4 года назад +16

      Out of curiosity, why do you like the idea of Sanctuary?
      I'm genuinely curious because the whole system seems absolutely horrifying to me and sounds like a list of how not to handle patients in need of psychological help.

    • @GreatGreenGoo
      @GreatGreenGoo 4 года назад +52

      @@williamharmon4039 I like the idea of a these heroes and even villains having to deal with real shit. Having a neutral place where they are free to process emotionally. It adds an interesting layer to the world. I am always interested in the little things in day to day life with super heroes. Not their secret indenties but their hero identies dealing with stuff beyond 'saving the day'' and leaving.

    • @williamharmon4039
      @williamharmon4039 4 года назад +38

      @@GreatGreenGoo
      I agree that sounds interesting, but Sanctuary itself is what I have a problem with.
      That facility practically did everything it could to make the patients' mental states worse.
      Isolating them from support groups and mental health professionals they could actually talk with, giving them the means to keep reliving their trauma like Lagoon Boy did with no oversight, and basically berating Wally for being unable to get over his trauma.
      The way the actual facility was run was pretty much the total opposite of how PTSD victims and others with mental health problems should be treated. It served to facilitate a mental breakdown and enable the murder mystery plot rather than help anyone get over their trauma.
      Also, all the patients' confession videos being released at the end without their knowledge or consent is a major violation of privacy and ethics.

    • @zarnaku6467
      @zarnaku6467 3 года назад +3

      I mean he was literally so "unhinged" per say, that he accidentally killed them, so for him to have so much distress and guilt he'll do something so strange, trust me killing a person fucks you up, and the moments after are what is most important

    • @brandonlyon730
      @brandonlyon730 3 года назад +9

      @@williamharmon4039They probably should've also had you know real doctors and professionals at the facility. And not just some A.I with the minds of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in it's programming. They may be great heroes but they are not experts in phycological trauma and the last time Batman designed a A.I it nearly destroyed the entire Justice League and conquered the earth.

  • @Djimbo
    @Djimbo 4 года назад +288

    “Death of the Flash?” That’s an understatement. “Death of DC Rebirth” is more fitting for this comic.

    • @Little-wig
      @Little-wig 3 года назад

      hahaha I had the same thought like wtf

  • @baddragonite
    @baddragonite 4 года назад +110

    "We should give them sweet potatoes. Would you like some sweet potatoes?" -Poison Ivy 2019

  • @chinangel
    @chinangel 4 года назад +215

    That was confusing as hell, also it seems that the writer has a major hate-on for wally

    • @estebangutierrez160
      @estebangutierrez160 2 года назад +5

      I know right, it's like going back and forth with everyone, having characters confess something, making guesses on everything, until Wally West is either killed or framed.

  • @lloydnbrownjr8997
    @lloydnbrownjr8997 4 года назад +84

    Brother, you definitely put a lot of emotion into Wallys' character for this story!!! I truly felt the sadness and confusion coming through!!! It was Awesome!!!

  • @ayyayyron2137
    @ayyayyron2137 4 года назад +114

    Honestly, I was very dissapointed in this story.. The author did so many characters dirty... I just can’t believe they did Wally like that..

    • @wali8717
      @wali8717 4 года назад +1

      Aaron Nguyen poor Wally

  • @Elementa2006
    @Elementa2006 4 года назад +778

    Also known as the story that ruined both DC Rebirth and Wally West

    • @Leadeshipcoach
      @Leadeshipcoach 4 года назад +19

      Badre Bally ... yep

    • @chrissmith-sm8kw
      @chrissmith-sm8kw 4 года назад +43

      Hey, this wasn't meant to be that. It was a way to show that even superheros need saving sometimes. They may be super, but they are people too.

    • @davidkosiborod8255
      @davidkosiborod8255 4 года назад +78

      @@chrissmith-sm8kw Ok but are you gonna tell me that this didnt ruin Wally West?

    • @lordbiscuitthetossable5352
      @lordbiscuitthetossable5352 4 года назад +25

      Maybe, but if you really think about it there is a gigantic amount of pressure on Wally's shoulders. He had the perfect life with a family that he can't ever seem to connect with, trapped in a universe where everyone is similar to him but being a complete stranger, he was completely alone and unable to trust anyone, especially Barry Allen. He was dealt a truly awful hand and broke under the strain which resulted in his erratic behaviour; he wanted to at least show what he felt to the entire world so that they understood his and everyone's pain.
      I for one can totally believe that even a great person like Wally West could snap completely, and needed a way of stopping Barry Allen interfering long enough to do what he had to do. That was the twist, even a great hero can snap completely under circumstances and need help.
      The interesting thing for me is how they are going to allow Wally West to become a hero again.

    • @stapuft
      @stapuft 4 года назад +10

      @@davidkosiborod8255 if he won't I will, this story was awesome, except for the Gotham girl part that seemed like it was just kinda tacked on and forgotten about, and I think it humanized Wally so perfectly, he's lost so much, it would weigh heavily on anyone, especially someone that already has the weight of the world (or In his case universe) on his shoulders, (quite literally in fact), and the fact that he didn't completely break, shows the hope that's still left in him.

  • @ronniehesson1302
    @ronniehesson1302 4 года назад +292

    Thank you so much for posting this. I have been a Wally West fan for years. I recently suffered a stroke and I'm partially blind making reading difficult. I hate what they did this to Wally but thank you for letting me know what the heck they did. Wally and his fans deserve better than this travesty of a story.

    • @sajeedamckenzie6943
      @sajeedamckenzie6943 4 года назад +11

      Ronnie Hesson how tf did u type this🤔

    • @adent6827
      @adent6827 4 года назад +2

      sajeeda mckenzie dude!

    • @ronniehesson1302
      @ronniehesson1302 4 года назад +22

      @@sajeedamckenzie6943 I use talk to text

    • @shahwarbasith2295
      @shahwarbasith2295 4 года назад +5

      @@ronniehesson1302 ok but how did u read his comment on it

    • @ronniehesson1302
      @ronniehesson1302 4 года назад +21

      @@shahwarbasith2295 I'm blind on the left half of both eyes reading is difficult but not impossible for me.

  • @Texjano
    @Texjano 4 года назад +306

    Where's Martain Manhunter in all this? Couldn't he have just read minds to find out what just happened.

    • @Dragonds53
      @Dragonds53 4 года назад +11

      Off world maybe isn't that possible

    • @classypants1215
      @classypants1215 4 года назад +12

      Good point he’s on 23:43

    • @SO_Livendirect
      @SO_Livendirect 4 года назад +9

      But that would have been too easy

    • @Unti1tmrw
      @Unti1tmrw 4 года назад +14

      Probs because If they brought him in it would just end in a Flash

    • @Whozthat.
      @Whozthat. 4 года назад +6

      Abood I see what you did there😉

  • @CoomanX5
    @CoomanX5 4 года назад +286

    Comic fans: Brian Michael bendis kills off heroes.
    Tom King: hold my beer.

  • @lazynerd3211
    @lazynerd3211 4 года назад +310

    Stories like these make me wonder why they hate the original sidekicks.

    • @sdnmkhn
      @sdnmkhn 4 года назад +53

      I've heard it's because the writers are worried that now that the original sidekicks are fully fledged adults, it makes their respective superheroes seem too old

    • @lazynerd3211
      @lazynerd3211 4 года назад +51

      @@sdnmkhn true but I mean there is no stopping the passage of time unless the restart the universe. I say give the original justice league time off world and let the side kicks do their thing like we see in young justice

    • @chrissmith-sm8kw
      @chrissmith-sm8kw 4 года назад +3

      It was to show the world that heros hurt& are flawed just like you& me. They may be super, but they need heros to save them too.

    • @Jscallen13
      @Jscallen13 4 года назад +3

      @@lazynerd3211 We kind of saw it with McDuffie's Justice League. But the Editors tried to make him write things differently, forcing him to quit the book.

    • @lazynerd3211
      @lazynerd3211 4 года назад +1

      We been seeing this for years

  • @nourkoueider6754
    @nourkoueider6754 4 года назад +88

    "Another dead Robin" 37:51 DAMN BARRY CHILLLLLLL

    • @ace.mutations
      @ace.mutations 3 года назад +5

      Yea he didn't deserve that one. That's low.

    • @thekodex1186
      @thekodex1186 3 года назад +1

      @@ace.mutations I think he does after letting joker live after jason

    • @oliverrasmusson2362
      @oliverrasmusson2362 2 года назад

      @@thekodex1186 you do realise Jason didn’t kill the joker either? So he’s just a hypocrite

    • @thekodex1186
      @thekodex1186 2 года назад

      @@oliverrasmusson2362 I would of really liked it if Jason finally git his revenge, but that's just me

    • @franciscocota6440
      @franciscocota6440 2 года назад +1

      Not even Darkseid could hit as hard as Barry's burn.

  • @Jscallen13
    @Jscallen13 4 года назад +21

    My initial problem with this story (before the character assassination of Wally West) There are no legal ramifications of someone from the press releasing confidential psychiatric treatment of people? Even mentioning their hero identity would seem to be an invasion of privacy.

  • @radio965
    @radio965 4 года назад +136

    Its weird that Booster Gold managed to realize Wally's body was five days older but not Batman, Flash. Srsly, so much for the world's greatest detective

    • @Vnvus
      @Vnvus 3 года назад +4

      I didn’t they say Batman didn’t couldn’t bring himself to do it

    • @dweebpatrol
      @dweebpatrol 3 года назад +10

      @@Vnvus It's Batman, he definitely should have been able to figure it out somehow without performing an autopsy

    • @estebangutierrez160
      @estebangutierrez160 2 года назад +5

      Maybe he was just as confused as us the readers about the story.

    • @valletas
      @valletas Год назад +1

      @@dweebpatrol he could... But he didnt want to do it to a dead friend

    • @noradlark167
      @noradlark167 8 месяцев назад

      Only Booster Gold from the given time knows this technique.

  • @chasepene223
    @chasepene223 4 года назад +36

    I see King took Dan Didio's notes on how to kill beloved characters

  • @Jcecil1035
    @Jcecil1035 4 года назад +583

    Jesus did the writer of this hate wally west

    • @Kopaka808
      @Kopaka808 4 года назад +69

      Dan Didio gave explicit instructions to King to shit on Wally hard throughout the story. The knee to the balls from Harley I imagine was in large bold letters on the editors notes.....penned by Dan of course.

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 4 года назад +46

      How can anyone hate Wally? Imo even Barry isnt as cool as Wally, I mean... was...

    • @Kopaka808
      @Kopaka808 4 года назад +63

      @@kowxley1793 Dan has a real hate boner for all the former sidekicks for some reason.

    • @skyslasher2297
      @skyslasher2297 4 года назад +17

      Kopaka808 I remember someone said he “didn’t get them” essentially I guess at least for Nightwing commenting on how he is not Batman nor Robin which doesn’t make any sense

    • @jeremyjoestar3767
      @jeremyjoestar3767 4 года назад +4

      No King thinks this is good therapy session for him

  • @angellicus1779
    @angellicus1779 4 года назад +80

    Heroes in Crisis is the One More Day of DC.

    • @K-11609
      @K-11609 4 года назад +11

      Worse imo

    • @Djimbo
      @Djimbo 4 года назад +8

      Now that right there is the perfect way to describe this comic.

    • @RabblesTheBinx
      @RabblesTheBinx 4 года назад +6

      @@K-11609 *nothing* is worse. And before you ask: yes, I *am* including Holy Terror.

  • @antallen6741
    @antallen6741 4 года назад +24

    I enjoyed the story this story is about a man who's lost everything and has a mental and physical breakdown who was forgotten and then remembered and told how important he was but struggled to believe it himself because his family didn't come back weren't they important so yes he's a beloved character u couldn't do this story with some one who wasn't and yes he acted out of character but that's part of having a breakdown and so is the gulit when u snap back which again can be just as overwhelming and cause u to try and hide it which is what wally did overall great story wonderfully written

    • @SpeedBolt999_
      @SpeedBolt999_ 4 года назад +7

      Is framing two people for a murder they didn’t do part of a breakdown? I don’t think so

    • @antallen6741
      @antallen6741 4 года назад +1

      @@SpeedBolt999_ doing something horrible and trying to cover it up to deal with guilt when u realize what you've done yes it is part of the breakdown

    • @SpeedBolt999_
      @SpeedBolt999_ 4 года назад +3

      There are two types of breakdowns:
      Physiological and Mental
      The one Wally is suffering (At least from what I can tell) is a mental breakdown and one of it’s effects is that it essentially make the persons mind not work normally but if this is the case chances are Wally wouldn’t thought of such a plan even when he has worked alongside The Flash and if he did thought of it Wally would still not be sure if this is even a good idea regardless if he killed those people because that is exactly what a villain would think of and yet Tom King decides to write Wally this way because he wrote himself into a corner

    • @KidSnivy69
      @KidSnivy69 4 года назад +1

      Pity this story ignores the fact the Flash family shouldn't have access to time travel at the moment

    • @ryancarson6962
      @ryancarson6962 4 года назад +6

      ant allen The problem there is that this scenario is contrived. Wally is acting like his family is dead, which completely contradicts the entire reason he went to Sanctuary which was to find a way to locate them. And then because of a retcon he randomly explodes and accidentally kills people. And worse in order to hide this he DEFILES THE BODIES OF DEAD SUPERHEROES AND FRAMES PEOPLE, I’m sorry but the idea that a breakdown would make him act out of character is bullshit, no Wally is acting out of character because Tom King wrote him that way. And I’m sorry but this is not a good story on any level, the mystery aspect sucks, all clues are either red herrings or don’t matter, many early story implications aren’t brought up and disappear, characters are just colossal idiots and the message is executed in such an asinine way that it’s more a disservice to the idea of seeking help. The people who are seeking help gets murdered by one of the patients, they’re isolated and alone in VR rooms and there are no therapists, just a verbally abusive A.I. And this wouldn’t be an issue if A. The story actually acknowledged these faults and have the characters realize they messed up and fixed things and B. It wasn’t made b the TRINITY, the three biggest heroes thought this was the best idea, this is why DC fans want this story to be retconned out of existence and I can’t blame them.

  • @ryanwalters1682
    @ryanwalters1682 4 года назад +58

    Well, time for another crisis. The writers messed it up again, so we have to reboot.

    • @molyhayes5335
      @molyhayes5335 4 года назад +2

      Yes. Please yes.

    • @Maximus4587
      @Maximus4587 4 года назад +3

      I would welcome Superboy-Prime returning and doing another Retcon Punch on reality...

    • @slickchick5811
      @slickchick5811 3 года назад +1

      When it comes to Flashes, EVERYTHING is a Crisis...

  • @diobrando7629
    @diobrando7629 4 года назад +134

    DC got King and Bendis to kill characters we all like

  • @kalrajapakse5207
    @kalrajapakse5207 3 года назад +16

    I can’t be the only one who admires the art right

  • @symbiotic_apex1179
    @symbiotic_apex1179 4 года назад +44

    Such a deep story showing how the heroes we love from dc and marvel have problems I almost cried it was just tragic

    • @whatdoyallthink9908
      @whatdoyallthink9908 4 года назад +5

      Symbiotic _ Apex it was shit

    • @trevordavis6830
      @trevordavis6830 4 года назад +6

      Is this meant to be sarcastic?

    • @-_-murilo2865
      @-_-murilo2865 3 года назад +1

      What Wally did was really out of character... OR MAYBE HE IS NOT WHAY WE THINK HE IS!
      this is so dumb

  • @mrbushidon7140
    @mrbushidon7140 4 года назад +16

    I'm joining patron because I love the fact that you're putting these stories together and I can sit here for an hour and a half to two hours can I could be caught up on my favorite comics and don't have to read like the lazy American I am thanks big time

  • @SAINTROD
    @SAINTROD 4 года назад +3

    I watch your videos as soon as I can. I've always liked them. This one, I cried listening to you convey Wally's pain like it was a brother I always wanted. Keep up the amazing job you do.

  • @brandonbishop1259
    @brandonbishop1259 4 года назад +50

    I thought I was going to like this but after seeing the finale im very disappointed

  • @jplayzgamez4677
    @jplayzgamez4677 4 года назад +30

    How was Harley merking everybody in this series??😭

  • @DarkOmegaMK2
    @DarkOmegaMK2 Год назад +3

    Wally murdered a lot of heroes for no reason. And we never get to see who was behind helping Gotham Girl.

  • @TheCoolestRob
    @TheCoolestRob 4 года назад +6

    These full stories are literally one of three reasons I even still use YT. Keep up the great work. You should bring Rob back though, the world needs more Rob's in the spotlight.

  • @pcssfc
    @pcssfc 3 года назад +33

    I like how they draw Harley to look like Margo Robbie

  • @roccaraso1771
    @roccaraso1771 4 года назад +6

    These full video are one of the main reasons I love watching your videos and like your channel

  • @wildchild4346
    @wildchild4346 4 года назад +12

    Thanks for these Full Story videos, I do get lost trying to find stuff if they arent in playlists lol

  • @themediator0527
    @themediator0527 4 года назад +28

    YES, I’m so glad I can catch up on this with the Full Story! Thank you!

    • @robert.mcdonald
      @robert.mcdonald 4 года назад

      Are you sure?

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 4 года назад +2

      You're probably gonna be disapointed not gonna lie :/

    • @themediator0527
      @themediator0527 4 года назад

      @Kowxley @Robert M. See, I knew that people had really strong opinions about this story, and I’d never been able to hear why Arsenal and Flash had died. It is a little disappointing and underwhelming, but it wasn’t as bad as I expected from it.

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 4 года назад

      @@themediator0527 I mean its one thing to hear Benny tell the story and read it yourself, when you read it you realize how badly its written, predictable and unnecessarily cruel, is that even a joke what they did to Wally honestly? But one good thing is that Benny always makes a story enjoyable to listen to even when its not that great. I just cant stand Tom King anyway

    • @chrissmith-sm8kw
      @chrissmith-sm8kw 4 года назад +2

      No. It's a story that shows how even superheros hurt. They make mistakes& are just as flawed as you or me. They can do some amazing things, but even they get overwhelmed by what's happening to them. It's an amazing story line& I for one can honestly say showed how everyone needs help sometimes.

  • @crossbones116
    @crossbones116 4 года назад +7

    'Healing trauma is a very important thing but also if you go to get help you'll probably get murdered or become a killer.' Bravo Tom King.

  • @stevenlewis3134
    @stevenlewis3134 4 года назад +2

    I've gotta say, I love the complete series stories! They're all i listen to while at work.

  • @abid5611
    @abid5611 4 года назад +1

    Bro I am obsessed with these long stories, my favorites are injustice 1 and 2 and the batman series, you did them so good and the voices are amazing. Also the deadpool ones are dope

  • @matts6359
    @matts6359 4 года назад +1

    So glad you put this together. I forgot to check in on the next video after I saw the first one!

  • @m.y1152
    @m.y1152 4 года назад +3

    Finally, I'll be back to watch this weekend

  • @creativename724
    @creativename724 2 года назад +3

    Fuckin love it. Brilliant.
    Edit: not the story. Hated that. Wally West aint a murderer, accidental or otherwise. Love the video. Great voice actin. Great work man.

  • @rolan8778
    @rolan8778 4 года назад +3

    52:32 I can relate to this type of feelings and emotions. This part of the video really took my breathe away.

  • @j_fbi7610
    @j_fbi7610 4 года назад +41

    Tom King is the M. Night of comic writing. An interesting premise that draws you in, but when the twist comes you're left wanting to forget the whole thing. Because forgetting the entire thing is easier than imagining what it could have been. Word of the wise, Tom. Don't ruin perfect characters for shock value. It's never a worthwhile investment.

  • @DKillmonger1
    @DKillmonger1 4 года назад

    Thank you for creating the full story series

  • @womble1277
    @womble1277 4 года назад

    Thank you for posting this !!

  • @ninjay204
    @ninjay204 4 года назад +24

    I just want more ginger Wally West and Nightwing, together or separate

  • @lukefontana8394
    @lukefontana8394 3 года назад +5

    I really enjoyed the story as a hole, it explores sides of everyone, yes the wally the you knew and love would never do this but this wally is different, he's lost so much and given all he had, he was broken and in despair. If you just sit back and see the story for that it is, as story about sadness, pain, grief it really is good writing

  • @justinrosa5423
    @justinrosa5423 3 года назад

    I am so happy you do this! I listen to you like your the news channel while I'm at work lol I appreciate you

  • @rookiedrifter4273
    @rookiedrifter4273 4 года назад +49

    I... I... I don't know how to feel about this story at all. On one hand, I'm absolutely furious they did Wally and Roy dirty like that and ruined DC Rebirth, which I was really happy about since we got back Impulse, but on the other, damn man this shit made me cry more than I've ever cried before with some of those confessions, especially Booster's, so like yeah I'm mad and I hate the story, it's got some objectively good writing and deep emotional conflicts in it.

  • @laykbm719
    @laykbm719 4 года назад +11

    lagoon boy Lowkey kind of made me sad

  • @jamcalx
    @jamcalx 4 года назад +31

    Heroes in crisis pre-release
    Me: this can be an entertaining and thoughtful way to discuss mental health in a somber and relatable way.
    After Heroes in Crisis
    Me: THIS AVENGERS 200 BAD, AND IS AN INSULT TO THE READERS (NAMELY WALLY WEST FANS), THE CHARACTERS INVOLVED, AND DISRESPECTFUL MISAPPLICATION OF ITS SUBJECT MATTER!!!
    If you're hurting, *KEEP REACHING OUT FOR HELP!* Your do yourself and the world of service by doing so, helping yourself grow stronger and helping others be better by helping their fellow human beings. It's okay to need help and *YOU MATTER* .

    • @kannathraymaker
      @kannathraymaker 4 года назад +2

      JamCal-X I felt the same way! Damn it, Wally (of all people) became the poster boy of the SOB’s that shoot up schools, places of worship, and entertainment venues (as well as the occasional political event) because (like Wally) they were overwhelmed in the moment. Completely destroyed decades of character development to tell this very out of character story. I just hope they pretend it never happened. Such a waste of a really good opportunity to write a great story about mental health.

    • @jamcalx
      @jamcalx 4 года назад

      @@kannathraymaker his current Flash Forward story doesn't through it out, but you can tell that the author wants to restore his character and do something good with him. So far it's pretty good.

    • @kavehami4940
      @kavehami4940 4 года назад

      Wally needed to break for new comic series flash forward it has one issue now

    • @KidSnivy69
      @KidSnivy69 4 года назад +1

      I know Wally has been through a lot, but he is the last person in the DC Universe who would do this!

  • @Brother_bear5
    @Brother_bear5 4 года назад +11

    I would just like to inform everyone that War of the Realms, Spider-man Marvel Knights, and the Batman Who Laughed is completely finished

  • @clarktheshark1014
    @clarktheshark1014 3 года назад

    These long videos of these comics are soooo good!

  • @Y.K.F.
    @Y.K.F. 3 года назад

    The artwork is amazing. Truly stunning

  • @AstaIsAMonster
    @AstaIsAMonster 4 года назад +66

    Tom King is a garbage writer on Heroes In Crisis and on Batman. But what pissed me off the most was Tom King wasting the beautiful artwork in both comics.

    • @thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805
      @thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805 4 года назад +5

      More like Didio wanted to treat Wally like that, read King's Mister Miracle and Vision, he's great but dropped the ball on this one

    • @keithc9289
      @keithc9289 4 года назад +4

      I like tom king on some of batman's run. All the way until he had dick shot by KGBeast. But ya hes a pretty bad writer overall.

  • @kalltdalfred
    @kalltdalfred 4 года назад +76

    Why harley is so strong in this

    • @kennylee2376
      @kennylee2376 4 года назад +33

      Plot armor.

    • @charliesthill4790
      @charliesthill4790 4 года назад +4

      Altangerel 44
      bane's venom

    • @mansn3150
      @mansn3150 3 года назад +3

      Plot armor

    • @estebangutierrez160
      @estebangutierrez160 2 года назад +1

      Other than the beginning of the story where she says that she doesn't believe in trauma, Plot Armor and the best character DC comics ever created

  • @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
    @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 4 года назад +6

    This is so New 52, it hurts. Yeah no. Wally is unsympathetic in this story. The killing a bunch of people by accident doesn't even make me that mad. It's the tricking of the whole superhero community, pinning it on 2 innocent peers in a Death Note/moving pieces on a chessboard-kind of way so that he can reveal all their secrets to the public that's got me a little, tiny bit miffed. Wally assassinating himself is icing on the cake because I don't think anyone involved in this story saw the irony.

  • @jamesvalentine4959
    @jamesvalentine4959 4 года назад

    Love this story. theyre opening a wide varieties or multiple "what if" and they all are good writting.

  • @VhanchyShu
    @VhanchyShu 4 года назад +17

    This is IMO a masterpiece, but maybe not as a comic book story. I felt the message in this story. As someone who is suffering from depression for years, I get how Wally feels(of course not as horrible as he does but, you get my point). People who might not know how depression feels like will see this story as the writer ''shitting'' on Wally, but those who can relate to him will see that this as a great way of showing how Wally, and how someone suffers on something and no one can understand. People with depression tend to do irreversible mistakes, and usually just wants all of it to end. And here we see Wally did both, accidentally killing people and kill himself just to end it all. That is how depression works. You get stuck in a loop of suffering each and every second of your life from the moment the depression began. That's how we lose people who we laugh at because we think they're overreacting. I never tear up in comic book stories but this, this one almost made me cry. Can't find the right words to express what I felt but this story really shows that even the strongest person still and definitely can suffer, and we need to be there for them, we just need to know, we need to understand and show them that they are not alone.
    What an amazing story to let us fans now how Wally is suffering and how he feels. It definitely has it flaws, but it was still a good story IMO.

    • @RedMlnz
      @RedMlnz 4 года назад +4

      Exactly my thoughts. As someone who's suffered from depression, I can relate with the story. This is a story about showing how someone suffers from things no one can really understand, not a story about superheroes doing their usual superhero things. This shows that even the most amazing people we know can still be vulnerable. Might not be a great superhero story, but it is still is a great story nonetheless.

    • @jakehero95
      @jakehero95 Год назад

      Completely agree, especially that they shouldn't have done it as a comic book. Idk maybe it's just me but I read comics cuz I'm trying to escape reality into a world where superheroes and perfect ppl *do* exist not continue to be reminded of my struggle. Other than that I do like it and it's msg

  • @TRIELUS
    @TRIELUS 3 года назад +1

    The artwork is insane. You wish all people looked this good.

  • @viciousrich
    @viciousrich 4 года назад +26

    Don't worry chat Scott Lobdell will save Wally from King.

    • @skyslasher2297
      @skyslasher2297 4 года назад +2

      ya the guy that made Red Hood and the Outlaws, and The Nova Girls is gonna save the day definetly

    • @agabz9971
      @agabz9971 4 года назад +5

      Although i wasnt a big fan of him on red hood and the outlaws it seems like he’s doing good shit rn

  • @murica8640
    @murica8640 4 года назад +7

    i like the theme of this and the thought that years of battle can really effect these heroes but it had a poor execution

  • @cliftonmoore8316
    @cliftonmoore8316 3 года назад

    i could watch these all day

  • @lovehenegan6064
    @lovehenegan6064 4 года назад +9

    This broke my heart.

  • @ianmpena
    @ianmpena 4 года назад +41

    Hey Benny can you please read the scarlet spider kaine storyline and JJ Abrams Spiderman comic , DCeased and American vampire on Halloween

  • @jb1995
    @jb1995 4 года назад +1

    “Fantastic” more, more, more! Please!

  • @matiasserna4632
    @matiasserna4632 3 года назад

    It was really interesting, thank you so much

  • @ironmanrox3145
    @ironmanrox3145 3 года назад +2

    I learned an important lesson from this, dont try to be fancy and frame two people at once. Just leave no witnesses

  • @wendychou4329
    @wendychou4329 7 месяцев назад

    This is truly one of my favorite story of dc comic

  • @chrissmith-sm8kw
    @chrissmith-sm8kw 4 года назад +6

    This is an amazing story. I'm glad you picked it for this weeks complete story. I think we can all find something in this story we can relate to and I'm thankful for you guys for bringing it to us, the masses. Most people don't read comics that muc anymore and it's a shame cause when stories like this come out, it gets lost among the other titles. It's a truly touching story arc and I for one have been there. I've had a very hard life and sometimes you hurt people you don't mean to because you are hurting inside yourself. It's great that you guys can break it down and make it so people who like superheros can see that they are just as flawed as all of us. That they hurt just like you or me. That even superheros need help sometimes. So, thanks Benny, and the whole crew for doing what you do so the rest of the world who don't have time to read a comic can see that just because your a hero, don't mean you don't need saving.

  • @markhoch5383
    @markhoch5383 4 года назад

    This comic was lots of fun. Thanks Benny.

  • @MADLADCOMICS
    @MADLADCOMICS 4 года назад +1

    This was unnecessarily convoluted....like wally went from sad, to depressed, to insane out of nowhere. Seriously he killed everyone by accident, but set up a fake crime scene framing two inncocent people then killed a alternate version of himself....like WHAT?!

  • @StillJustBob76
    @StillJustBob76 4 года назад

    You are the best, do not quit

  • @Teamo86
    @Teamo86 4 года назад +41

    Wally West: The dummest hero ever known.
    No serious: why mess up a character like that. And the writing is clunky. The presentation was good though.

    • @cunnyman
      @cunnyman 4 года назад +4

      @Roter Blitz - DCUO Not even gonna say how stupid or wrong that sounds. I understand liking Jay but Barry? lmao. Barry Allen in the comics has only been around for 10 years. His silver age self was an entirely different character.
      You're most likely around 10-15 years old right now to not appreciate Wally West or seen his legacy.

    • @user-dn4eh9fl7g
      @user-dn4eh9fl7g 4 года назад +4

      @Roter Blitz - DCUO Boy, do you even know there is no speed force before Wally become the Main Flash? Love Flash but hate Wally is like enjoying peanut butter sandwich but hate peanut butter. What you are saying just shows you don't even know the stuff that you are talking about.

    • @gaminglazarus4343
      @gaminglazarus4343 4 года назад

      i have the flash 1990 dvd series and i have flash comics. i like flash,jay garrick and flash,barry allen they are original flash . wenn wally west was kid flash that was no problem . after crisis on crisis infinite earths wenn wally west the be main flash was not happy and hate it . speed force have create flash,barry allen.

    • @WhiteJeezus
      @WhiteJeezus 4 года назад +1

      @@user-dn4eh9fl7g no. Barry literally created the speed force. Wtf are you talking about? Wally fanboys out here getting it all wrong. You're trying to say the SIDEKICK created the thing that the real hero gets his power from? No no no. Barry did it. He adds to the speed force with every step he takes. Wally didn't create shit. Get your facts straight

    • @coenvore1675
      @coenvore1675 3 года назад

      @@WhiteJeezus Well barry didnt create the speed force either, it was given to him in the lighting strike.

  • @scottyknows7576
    @scottyknows7576 4 года назад

    My fav comic book channel.

  • @anubex234
    @anubex234 4 года назад

    Nice video man!

  • @konton217
    @konton217 4 года назад +4

    I actually like this crossover series even though it was a fill-in. Seeing each hero/antihero interview was one my favorite parts of it. Either they made you laugh a little or down right felt sorry for the pain and stress they were going through. Especially Wally West which is understandable he been through and lost a lot and it was showing through various comics how it was affecting him I really felt his breakdown in this. I also love Harley's and Ivy's panels showing them trying to comfort each other even though Harley was trying her best to be Ivy's emotional rock. Ivy seems to always be Harley's emotional rock (even though before 52/rebirth she wasn't so BFF with benefits like she is now). Seeing them and also Bat-Girl and Harley comforting each other was really emotional I really like those panels.
    I do have a problem with them killing off characters again that is getting a little old makes me feel like they are trying to clean house sometimes and 5 years later they are reborn out of no where lol.

  • @NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL
    @NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL 3 года назад +1

    I respect they put Lagoon Boy’s trains from titans east.
    Always thought it was a shame they never touched on that.

  • @snakeeyez2057
    @snakeeyez2057 4 года назад

    im subscribing because of the way u tell the comic story

  • @charleslightfoot3707
    @charleslightfoot3707 4 года назад +5

    This is just a DC laymens pov. I thought it was good. Making a hero the villian by accident. Thanks Benny for doin this. I'm a Marvel guy but I like DC also. So, anyways, good job.

  • @fanonpatterson6132
    @fanonpatterson6132 4 года назад +5

    Such a sad story. Gawd dayumn. 😭👍🏾

  • @womble1277
    @womble1277 4 года назад

    Amazing!

  • @terrygordon5542
    @terrygordon5542 4 года назад +11

    Wow you just narrated my love of comics dying...

  • @dustiestspade339
    @dustiestspade339 2 года назад +1

    I loved this story so much

  • @slashyslasher1248
    @slashyslasher1248 4 года назад +5

    Harley is literally just a crazy person and Booster is a superhero with energy blasts and bulletproof armor and you can just look at both of them and see Booster is stronger so why is he having trouble?

    • @only4him330
      @only4him330 2 года назад

      Exactly 💯... this thing of making Harley cool with the heros and nearly JUST as strong as them is pretty annoying

  • @louisalectube
    @louisalectube 4 года назад +13

    I have to say the artwork is awesome! That's how superheroes should look! Also: This story is wide open for a "Parallax possessed me and forced me to do it" revision story.

    • @wesleystewart1193
      @wesleystewart1193 4 года назад +1

      I agree except Barry’s symbol has 4 bolts like Godspeed instead of 3

  • @peanutmoose9591
    @peanutmoose9591 3 года назад +6

    The conclusion to this story line is so stupid. They could have done so much more with it, why make Wally the culprit why not bane or Gotham girl, or have a scenario where sanctuary it's self killed the heroes out of a missed placed sense of mercy, or that solitary guy from the red hood and the outlaws.

  • @cgamejewels
    @cgamejewels 4 года назад +2

    WW punching that Penny and it falling on one of the Batmobiles and Batman asking Superman why he didn't catch the penny made me laugh so hard.
    Wally, No!!!!
    Sweet potatoes?! Yeah... Sure... Ok.

  • @IamTheBuckethead
    @IamTheBuckethead 4 года назад

    This was pretty fantastic.

  • @bluearmy6847
    @bluearmy6847 4 года назад +2

    The past can alter the future, but wally knew it and he was willing to make them feel more pain even though it would work he'll keep making himself truly, physically, emotionally, and actually alone for good!
    Let that burn within you until the flames run into ash.

  • @wesleystewart1193
    @wesleystewart1193 4 года назад +9

    Am I the only one that noticed that Barry’s symbol has an additional bolt on it

  • @bloodyneptune
    @bloodyneptune 3 года назад +2

    I think this story could have been one of the best if they'd just cut the murder mystery out of it. Just have the tapes leak out somehow, and center the plot around the fear that if the tapes are released, the public might lose faith in their heroes when they realize they're not infallible, and the shit they've seen has messed them up. Then round it off with the heroes deciding to be open about it, and have the public react positively, realizing that everything they do for them has caused them a lot of psychological trauma but they _still_ always fight for them.
    But having Wally kill them due to his trauma would just re-affirms any worries people would have if the tapes came out. That whole speech Superman gives "to acknowledge those who fight are vulnerable, afraid, does that mean you should all be afraid" falls a little flat when one of their heroes literally murdered a bunch of other heroes specifically because of his trauma. Personally Id be thinking that If he could do that to his _friends_ what could he do to everyone else? The murder plot just ruined it, I think

  • @Ronin_Vector
    @Ronin_Vector 4 месяца назад

    7:33 Always glad to see Frank Reynolds make an appearance.

  • @suicaedere7244
    @suicaedere7244 4 года назад +4

    I'll be strong, Flash Forward started well, Wally will be back.

  • @NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL
    @NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL 3 года назад +3

    I don’t like how Wally framed Booster and Harley.
    Just doesn’t seem like something Wally West would do cuz it’s a bit reckless to do it for 5 whole days.
    Idek what he’d want to do for 5 days or why he’d wait to confess if he doesn’t have anything in particular to do.

  • @jacobramos3473
    @jacobramos3473 2 года назад +4

    Who's here after young justice season 4 finale

  • @user-pv1qk4so6s
    @user-pv1qk4so6s Год назад

    I really liked this. The ending felt really rushed. Especially for how in your face the purpose of the story was presented