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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025

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  • @phslhs
    @phslhs 3 года назад +300

    They definitely didn't handle every character in the best way possible, but I do like the idea of a story based around heroes publicly admitting that they need help, too. It's a good message.

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 2 года назад +7

      And they went to a place with no doctors

    • @DarkOmegaMK2
      @DarkOmegaMK2 2 года назад +2

      @@ForrestFox626 and died all at once.

  • @Djimbo
    @Djimbo 5 лет назад +306

    “Death of the Flash?” That’s an understatement. “Death of DC Rebirth” is more fitting for this comic.

    • @Little-wig
      @Little-wig 3 года назад

      hahaha I had the same thought like wtf

  • @xgray2012
    @xgray2012 5 лет назад +539

    "Heroes in Crisis
    *......We killed the DC Rebirth line-up and Wally West!!!* "

    • @gamestogo6742
      @gamestogo6742 5 лет назад +12

      I AGREE

    • @nerihawks9339
      @nerihawks9339 4 года назад +3

      That was confusing as hell, also it seems that the writer has a major hate-on for wally

    • @musicfrfrr6836
      @musicfrfrr6836 3 года назад

      Mhm

  • @GreatGreenGoo
    @GreatGreenGoo 5 лет назад +529

    I dont like this. I like the idea of Sanctuary but I HATE what they did to Wally West. They could have had Wally West accidentally kill people... BUT having him consciously frame Booster and Harley is so god damn out of character I cant even....

    • @williamharmon4039
      @williamharmon4039 4 года назад +16

      Out of curiosity, why do you like the idea of Sanctuary?
      I'm genuinely curious because the whole system seems absolutely horrifying to me and sounds like a list of how not to handle patients in need of psychological help.

    • @GreatGreenGoo
      @GreatGreenGoo 4 года назад +53

      @@williamharmon4039 I like the idea of a these heroes and even villains having to deal with real shit. Having a neutral place where they are free to process emotionally. It adds an interesting layer to the world. I am always interested in the little things in day to day life with super heroes. Not their secret indenties but their hero identies dealing with stuff beyond 'saving the day'' and leaving.

    • @williamharmon4039
      @williamharmon4039 4 года назад +40

      @@GreatGreenGoo
      I agree that sounds interesting, but Sanctuary itself is what I have a problem with.
      That facility practically did everything it could to make the patients' mental states worse.
      Isolating them from support groups and mental health professionals they could actually talk with, giving them the means to keep reliving their trauma like Lagoon Boy did with no oversight, and basically berating Wally for being unable to get over his trauma.
      The way the actual facility was run was pretty much the total opposite of how PTSD victims and others with mental health problems should be treated. It served to facilitate a mental breakdown and enable the murder mystery plot rather than help anyone get over their trauma.
      Also, all the patients' confession videos being released at the end without their knowledge or consent is a major violation of privacy and ethics.

    • @zarnaku6467
      @zarnaku6467 4 года назад +3

      I mean he was literally so "unhinged" per say, that he accidentally killed them, so for him to have so much distress and guilt he'll do something so strange, trust me killing a person fucks you up, and the moments after are what is most important

    • @brandonlyon730
      @brandonlyon730 4 года назад +9

      @@williamharmon4039They probably should've also had you know real doctors and professionals at the facility. And not just some A.I with the minds of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in it's programming. They may be great heroes but they are not experts in phycological trauma and the last time Batman designed a A.I it nearly destroyed the entire Justice League and conquered the earth.

  • @RecoveringLoLAddict
    @RecoveringLoLAddict 5 лет назад +627

    writing aside, the art looks incredible.

    • @keithc9289
      @keithc9289 5 лет назад +28

      I bought every comic. I hated this series story wise. Everything just didnt make sense. But you are correct the art was so awesome.

    • @saharasafari4529
      @saharasafari4529 5 лет назад +9

      It’s great

    • @oops_dot_jpeg
      @oops_dot_jpeg 4 года назад +8

      The art is gorgeous

  • @slothful2039
    @slothful2039 5 лет назад +670

    I liked the idea of exploring Wally's trauma after losing his family. But did they seriously need to make him a murderer?

    • @aiyenurooluwaseun2280
      @aiyenurooluwaseun2280 4 года назад +33

      Seems a lot over the top.

    • @tomoplayzzOfficial
      @tomoplayzzOfficial 4 года назад +9

      Darth Pancake Studios Wally: I swear to god it was my brother look he is over there points and runs. other hero’s looking: 👀. Batman: his family is dead....

    • @biondisubbaiah
      @biondisubbaiah 3 года назад +6

      I'm pretty sure they will come up with some other way to show it wasn't really him probably an evil clone or something😂

    • @ok_myro8717
      @ok_myro8717 3 года назад +4

      injustice intensifies

    • @mechmaster315
      @mechmaster315 3 года назад +4

      Well that aspect was later retcon to be Reverse Flash’s doing

  • @kowxley1793
    @kowxley1793 5 лет назад +1448

    Welcome to another episode of "How to destroy loved characters"

    • @chunky5373
      @chunky5373 5 лет назад +70

      Bruh I can’t believe they did Wally like that

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 5 лет назад +41

      @@chunky5373 me neither, Im still very pissed off, not to mention Im currently discovering a lot of post crisis stuff and Wally is one of my favorite character at this point

    • @Troll_vs.
      @Troll_vs. 5 лет назад +52

      I loved the concept of this story. But wally has had way to much shit happend. Been sidelined for like years then come back to be a liability in multiple different stories. And now this. I would've prefered the killer be booster gold (not harley she deserves to have some good)going through mental issues over being a fake hero and having time travel tech but not being able to save anyone.

    • @dg9444
      @dg9444 5 лет назад +2

      But flash forward seems good and this basically sets it up.

    • @flower_girl4983
      @flower_girl4983 5 лет назад +1

      Give me a short answer, who was responsible for the deaths of people in the sanctuary?

  • @baddragonite
    @baddragonite 5 лет назад +114

    "We should give them sweet potatoes. Would you like some sweet potatoes?" -Poison Ivy 2019

  • @lloydnbrownjr8997
    @lloydnbrownjr8997 5 лет назад +85

    Brother, you definitely put a lot of emotion into Wallys' character for this story!!! I truly felt the sadness and confusion coming through!!! It was Awesome!!!

  • @arahal-shabanah2106
    @arahal-shabanah2106 5 лет назад +1153

    I love how they promised to treat Wally West better...and then...you know...didn’t🙃🙃🙃

    • @snikerz5886
      @snikerz5886 5 лет назад +35

      Eh. It was Didos MO. At least he is gone now. Hopefully DC starts treating its characters better.

    • @givemebackmykids5061
      @givemebackmykids5061 4 года назад +7

      id say he's a better character overall, more interesting

    • @beardupbeerdown7355
      @beardupbeerdown7355 4 года назад +10

      He's Dr Manhattan now 😑

    • @notforgetful4926
      @notforgetful4926 4 года назад +27

      I hated the day they made wally "the fastest man alive". it made me feel like they were gonna replace barry completely

    • @doodoobrown7551
      @doodoobrown7551 4 года назад +43

      @@notforgetful4926 they did replace him entirely, what are you even talking about? He disappeared at the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Wally was THE flash for 3 decades.

  • @chinangel
    @chinangel 5 лет назад +225

    That was confusing as hell, also it seems that the writer has a major hate-on for wally

    • @estebangutierrez160
      @estebangutierrez160 3 года назад +6

      I know right, it's like going back and forth with everyone, having characters confess something, making guesses on everything, until Wally West is either killed or framed.

  • @ronniehesson1302
    @ronniehesson1302 5 лет назад +293

    Thank you so much for posting this. I have been a Wally West fan for years. I recently suffered a stroke and I'm partially blind making reading difficult. I hate what they did this to Wally but thank you for letting me know what the heck they did. Wally and his fans deserve better than this travesty of a story.

    • @sajeedamckenzie6943
      @sajeedamckenzie6943 5 лет назад +11

      Ronnie Hesson how tf did u type this🤔

    • @adent6827
      @adent6827 5 лет назад +2

      sajeeda mckenzie dude!

    • @ronniehesson1302
      @ronniehesson1302 5 лет назад +23

      @@sajeedamckenzie6943 I use talk to text

    • @shahwarbasith2295
      @shahwarbasith2295 5 лет назад +5

      @@ronniehesson1302 ok but how did u read his comment on it

    • @ronniehesson1302
      @ronniehesson1302 5 лет назад +22

      @@shahwarbasith2295 I'm blind on the left half of both eyes reading is difficult but not impossible for me.

  • @ayyayyron2137
    @ayyayyron2137 5 лет назад +118

    Honestly, I was very dissapointed in this story.. The author did so many characters dirty... I just can’t believe they did Wally like that..

    • @wali8717
      @wali8717 4 года назад +1

      Aaron Nguyen poor Wally

  • @lazynerd3211
    @lazynerd3211 5 лет назад +314

    Stories like these make me wonder why they hate the original sidekicks.

    • @sdnmkhn
      @sdnmkhn 5 лет назад +55

      I've heard it's because the writers are worried that now that the original sidekicks are fully fledged adults, it makes their respective superheroes seem too old

    • @lazynerd3211
      @lazynerd3211 5 лет назад +53

      @@sdnmkhn true but I mean there is no stopping the passage of time unless the restart the universe. I say give the original justice league time off world and let the side kicks do their thing like we see in young justice

    • @chrissmith-sm8kw
      @chrissmith-sm8kw 5 лет назад +3

      It was to show the world that heros hurt& are flawed just like you& me. They may be super, but they need heros to save them too.

    • @Arclight-Arcanum
      @Arclight-Arcanum 5 лет назад +3

      @@lazynerd3211 We kind of saw it with McDuffie's Justice League. But the Editors tried to make him write things differently, forcing him to quit the book.

    • @lazynerd3211
      @lazynerd3211 5 лет назад +1

      We been seeing this for years

  • @radio965
    @radio965 5 лет назад +140

    Its weird that Booster Gold managed to realize Wally's body was five days older but not Batman, Flash. Srsly, so much for the world's greatest detective

    • @VV2skiii
      @VV2skiii 3 года назад +4

      I didn’t they say Batman didn’t couldn’t bring himself to do it

    • @dweebpatrol
      @dweebpatrol 3 года назад +10

      @@VV2skiii It's Batman, he definitely should have been able to figure it out somehow without performing an autopsy

    • @estebangutierrez160
      @estebangutierrez160 3 года назад +5

      Maybe he was just as confused as us the readers about the story.

    • @valletas
      @valletas Год назад +1

      @@dweebpatrol he could... But he didnt want to do it to a dead friend

    • @noradlark167
      @noradlark167 Год назад

      Only Booster Gold from the given time knows this technique.

  • @CoomanX5
    @CoomanX5 5 лет назад +289

    Comic fans: Brian Michael bendis kills off heroes.
    Tom King: hold my beer.

  • @Elementa2006
    @Elementa2006 5 лет назад +785

    Also known as the story that ruined both DC Rebirth and Wally West

    • @Leadeshipcoach
      @Leadeshipcoach 5 лет назад +18

      Badre Bally ... yep

    • @chrissmith-sm8kw
      @chrissmith-sm8kw 5 лет назад +43

      Hey, this wasn't meant to be that. It was a way to show that even superheros need saving sometimes. They may be super, but they are people too.

    • @davidkosiborod8255
      @davidkosiborod8255 5 лет назад +79

      @@chrissmith-sm8kw Ok but are you gonna tell me that this didnt ruin Wally West?

    • @lordbiscuitthetossable5352
      @lordbiscuitthetossable5352 5 лет назад +25

      Maybe, but if you really think about it there is a gigantic amount of pressure on Wally's shoulders. He had the perfect life with a family that he can't ever seem to connect with, trapped in a universe where everyone is similar to him but being a complete stranger, he was completely alone and unable to trust anyone, especially Barry Allen. He was dealt a truly awful hand and broke under the strain which resulted in his erratic behaviour; he wanted to at least show what he felt to the entire world so that they understood his and everyone's pain.
      I for one can totally believe that even a great person like Wally West could snap completely, and needed a way of stopping Barry Allen interfering long enough to do what he had to do. That was the twist, even a great hero can snap completely under circumstances and need help.
      The interesting thing for me is how they are going to allow Wally West to become a hero again.

    • @stapuft
      @stapuft 5 лет назад +10

      @@davidkosiborod8255 if he won't I will, this story was awesome, except for the Gotham girl part that seemed like it was just kinda tacked on and forgotten about, and I think it humanized Wally so perfectly, he's lost so much, it would weigh heavily on anyone, especially someone that already has the weight of the world (or In his case universe) on his shoulders, (quite literally in fact), and the fact that he didn't completely break, shows the hope that's still left in him.

  • @antallen6741
    @antallen6741 5 лет назад +26

    I enjoyed the story this story is about a man who's lost everything and has a mental and physical breakdown who was forgotten and then remembered and told how important he was but struggled to believe it himself because his family didn't come back weren't they important so yes he's a beloved character u couldn't do this story with some one who wasn't and yes he acted out of character but that's part of having a breakdown and so is the gulit when u snap back which again can be just as overwhelming and cause u to try and hide it which is what wally did overall great story wonderfully written

    • @SpeedBolt999_
      @SpeedBolt999_ 5 лет назад +8

      Is framing two people for a murder they didn’t do part of a breakdown? I don’t think so

    • @antallen6741
      @antallen6741 5 лет назад +2

      @@SpeedBolt999_ doing something horrible and trying to cover it up to deal with guilt when u realize what you've done yes it is part of the breakdown

    • @SpeedBolt999_
      @SpeedBolt999_ 5 лет назад +4

      There are two types of breakdowns:
      Physiological and Mental
      The one Wally is suffering (At least from what I can tell) is a mental breakdown and one of it’s effects is that it essentially make the persons mind not work normally but if this is the case chances are Wally wouldn’t thought of such a plan even when he has worked alongside The Flash and if he did thought of it Wally would still not be sure if this is even a good idea regardless if he killed those people because that is exactly what a villain would think of and yet Tom King decides to write Wally this way because he wrote himself into a corner

    • @KidSnivy69
      @KidSnivy69 5 лет назад +2

      Pity this story ignores the fact the Flash family shouldn't have access to time travel at the moment

    • @ryancarson6962
      @ryancarson6962 5 лет назад +8

      ant allen The problem there is that this scenario is contrived. Wally is acting like his family is dead, which completely contradicts the entire reason he went to Sanctuary which was to find a way to locate them. And then because of a retcon he randomly explodes and accidentally kills people. And worse in order to hide this he DEFILES THE BODIES OF DEAD SUPERHEROES AND FRAMES PEOPLE, I’m sorry but the idea that a breakdown would make him act out of character is bullshit, no Wally is acting out of character because Tom King wrote him that way. And I’m sorry but this is not a good story on any level, the mystery aspect sucks, all clues are either red herrings or don’t matter, many early story implications aren’t brought up and disappear, characters are just colossal idiots and the message is executed in such an asinine way that it’s more a disservice to the idea of seeking help. The people who are seeking help gets murdered by one of the patients, they’re isolated and alone in VR rooms and there are no therapists, just a verbally abusive A.I. And this wouldn’t be an issue if A. The story actually acknowledged these faults and have the characters realize they messed up and fixed things and B. It wasn’t made b the TRINITY, the three biggest heroes thought this was the best idea, this is why DC fans want this story to be retconned out of existence and I can’t blame them.

  • @Arclight-Arcanum
    @Arclight-Arcanum 5 лет назад +24

    My initial problem with this story (before the character assassination of Wally West) There are no legal ramifications of someone from the press releasing confidential psychiatric treatment of people? Even mentioning their hero identity would seem to be an invasion of privacy.

  • @Texjano
    @Texjano 5 лет назад +310

    Where's Martain Manhunter in all this? Couldn't he have just read minds to find out what just happened.

    • @Dragonds53
      @Dragonds53 5 лет назад +11

      Off world maybe isn't that possible

    • @classypants1215
      @classypants1215 5 лет назад +13

      Good point he’s on 23:43

    • @SO_Livendirect
      @SO_Livendirect 5 лет назад +9

      But that would have been too easy

    • @Unti1tmrw
      @Unti1tmrw 5 лет назад +15

      Probs because If they brought him in it would just end in a Flash

    • @Dookiebagel
      @Dookiebagel 5 лет назад +6

      Abood I see what you did there😉

  • @nourkoueider6754
    @nourkoueider6754 5 лет назад +91

    "Another dead Robin" 37:51 DAMN BARRY CHILLLLLLL

    • @ace.mutations
      @ace.mutations 3 года назад +5

      Yea he didn't deserve that one. That's low.

    • @thekodex1186
      @thekodex1186 3 года назад +1

      @@ace.mutations I think he does after letting joker live after jason

    • @oliverrasmusson2362
      @oliverrasmusson2362 3 года назад

      @@thekodex1186 you do realise Jason didn’t kill the joker either? So he’s just a hypocrite

    • @thekodex1186
      @thekodex1186 3 года назад

      @@oliverrasmusson2362 I would of really liked it if Jason finally git his revenge, but that's just me

    • @franciscocota6440
      @franciscocota6440 3 года назад +1

      Not even Darkseid could hit as hard as Barry's burn.

  • @mrbushidon7
    @mrbushidon7 4 года назад +16

    I'm joining patron because I love the fact that you're putting these stories together and I can sit here for an hour and a half to two hours can I could be caught up on my favorite comics and don't have to read like the lazy American I am thanks big time

  • @TheCoolestRob
    @TheCoolestRob 5 лет назад +7

    These full stories are literally one of three reasons I even still use YT. Keep up the great work. You should bring Rob back though, the world needs more Rob's in the spotlight.

  • @chasepene223
    @chasepene223 5 лет назад +38

    I see King took Dan Didio's notes on how to kill beloved characters

  • @EricSuarez-t4m
    @EricSuarez-t4m 2 месяца назад +1

    Rest in peace to a legend that got me through many tough times.

  • @themediator0527
    @themediator0527 5 лет назад +28

    YES, I’m so glad I can catch up on this with the Full Story! Thank you!

    • @robert.mcdonald
      @robert.mcdonald 5 лет назад

      Are you sure?

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 5 лет назад +2

      You're probably gonna be disapointed not gonna lie :/

    • @themediator0527
      @themediator0527 5 лет назад

      @Kowxley @Robert M. See, I knew that people had really strong opinions about this story, and I’d never been able to hear why Arsenal and Flash had died. It is a little disappointing and underwhelming, but it wasn’t as bad as I expected from it.

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 5 лет назад

      @@themediator0527 I mean its one thing to hear Benny tell the story and read it yourself, when you read it you realize how badly its written, predictable and unnecessarily cruel, is that even a joke what they did to Wally honestly? But one good thing is that Benny always makes a story enjoyable to listen to even when its not that great. I just cant stand Tom King anyway

    • @chrissmith-sm8kw
      @chrissmith-sm8kw 5 лет назад +2

      No. It's a story that shows how even superheros hurt. They make mistakes& are just as flawed as you or me. They can do some amazing things, but even they get overwhelmed by what's happening to them. It's an amazing story line& I for one can honestly say showed how everyone needs help sometimes.

  • @landynkira1918
    @landynkira1918 7 месяцев назад +3

    I love this comic and will always come back to listen, now that benny is gone it hits harder and i will still keep coming back. RIP benny

  • @angellicus1779
    @angellicus1779 5 лет назад +83

    Heroes in Crisis is the One More Day of DC.

    • @K-11609
      @K-11609 5 лет назад +11

      Worse imo

    • @Djimbo
      @Djimbo 5 лет назад +8

      Now that right there is the perfect way to describe this comic.

    • @RabblesTheBinx
      @RabblesTheBinx 5 лет назад +7

      @@K-11609 *nothing* is worse. And before you ask: yes, I *am* including Holy Terror.

    • @MegaFROMOUTERSPACE
      @MegaFROMOUTERSPACE 4 месяца назад

      Heroes in Crisis was basically Identity Crisis 2.

  • @SAINTROD
    @SAINTROD 5 лет назад +3

    I watch your videos as soon as I can. I've always liked them. This one, I cried listening to you convey Wally's pain like it was a brother I always wanted. Keep up the amazing job you do.

  • @symbiotic_apex1179
    @symbiotic_apex1179 5 лет назад +45

    Such a deep story showing how the heroes we love from dc and marvel have problems I almost cried it was just tragic

    • @whatdoyallthink9908
      @whatdoyallthink9908 5 лет назад +5

      Symbiotic _ Apex it was shit

    • @trevordavis6830
      @trevordavis6830 5 лет назад +6

      Is this meant to be sarcastic?

    • @-_-murilo2865
      @-_-murilo2865 4 года назад +1

      What Wally did was really out of character... OR MAYBE HE IS NOT WHAY WE THINK HE IS!
      this is so dumb

  • @diobrando7629
    @diobrando7629 5 лет назад +136

    DC got King and Bendis to kill characters we all like

  • @roccaraso1771
    @roccaraso1771 5 лет назад +6

    These full video are one of the main reasons I love watching your videos and like your channel

  • @Jcecil1035
    @Jcecil1035 5 лет назад +587

    Jesus did the writer of this hate wally west

    • @Kopaka808
      @Kopaka808 5 лет назад +69

      Dan Didio gave explicit instructions to King to shit on Wally hard throughout the story. The knee to the balls from Harley I imagine was in large bold letters on the editors notes.....penned by Dan of course.

    • @kowxley1793
      @kowxley1793 5 лет назад +46

      How can anyone hate Wally? Imo even Barry isnt as cool as Wally, I mean... was...

    • @Kopaka808
      @Kopaka808 5 лет назад +62

      @@kowxley1793 Dan has a real hate boner for all the former sidekicks for some reason.

    • @skyslasher2297
      @skyslasher2297 5 лет назад +17

      Kopaka808 I remember someone said he “didn’t get them” essentially I guess at least for Nightwing commenting on how he is not Batman nor Robin which doesn’t make any sense

    • @jeremyjoestar3767
      @jeremyjoestar3767 5 лет назад +3

      No King thinks this is good therapy session for him

  • @wildchild4346
    @wildchild4346 5 лет назад +12

    Thanks for these Full Story videos, I do get lost trying to find stuff if they arent in playlists lol

  • @crossbones116
    @crossbones116 5 лет назад +7

    'Healing trauma is a very important thing but also if you go to get help you'll probably get murdered or become a killer.' Bravo Tom King.

  • @kalrajapakse5207
    @kalrajapakse5207 4 года назад +16

    I can’t be the only one who admires the art right

  • @brandonbishop1259
    @brandonbishop1259 5 лет назад +50

    I thought I was going to like this but after seeing the finale im very disappointed

  • @ryanwalters1682
    @ryanwalters1682 5 лет назад +61

    Well, time for another crisis. The writers messed it up again, so we have to reboot.

    • @molyhayes5335
      @molyhayes5335 5 лет назад +2

      Yes. Please yes.

    • @Maximus4587
      @Maximus4587 5 лет назад +3

      I would welcome Superboy-Prime returning and doing another Retcon Punch on reality...

    • @slickchick5811
      @slickchick5811 4 года назад +1

      When it comes to Flashes, EVERYTHING is a Crisis...

  • @abid5611
    @abid5611 5 лет назад +1

    Bro I am obsessed with these long stories, my favorites are injustice 1 and 2 and the batman series, you did them so good and the voices are amazing. Also the deadpool ones are dope

  • @Htxtonytony
    @Htxtonytony 8 месяцев назад

    Rest well!! You have been EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL on reigniting my love for comics but brought it in a refreshing way. Truly will be missed 😞

  • @j_fbi7610
    @j_fbi7610 5 лет назад +42

    Tom King is the M. Night of comic writing. An interesting premise that draws you in, but when the twist comes you're left wanting to forget the whole thing. Because forgetting the entire thing is easier than imagining what it could have been. Word of the wise, Tom. Don't ruin perfect characters for shock value. It's never a worthwhile investment.

  • @creativename724
    @creativename724 2 года назад +3

    Fuckin love it. Brilliant.
    Edit: not the story. Hated that. Wally West aint a murderer, accidental or otherwise. Love the video. Great voice actin. Great work man.

  • @NobokainOshan
    @NobokainOshan 8 месяцев назад +1

    4 years later, an unfortunate end... RIP Benny, you'll never be forgotten. 😢❤️

  • @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
    @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 5 лет назад +6

    This is so New 52, it hurts. Yeah no. Wally is unsympathetic in this story. The killing a bunch of people by accident doesn't even make me that mad. It's the tricking of the whole superhero community, pinning it on 2 innocent peers in a Death Note/moving pieces on a chessboard-kind of way so that he can reveal all their secrets to the public that's got me a little, tiny bit miffed. Wally assassinating himself is icing on the cake because I don't think anyone involved in this story saw the irony.

  • @stevenlewis3134
    @stevenlewis3134 5 лет назад +2

    I've gotta say, I love the complete series stories! They're all i listen to while at work.

  • @jplayzgamez4677
    @jplayzgamez4677 4 года назад +31

    How was Harley merking everybody in this series??😭

  • @lukefontana8394
    @lukefontana8394 4 года назад +5

    I really enjoyed the story as a hole, it explores sides of everyone, yes the wally the you knew and love would never do this but this wally is different, he's lost so much and given all he had, he was broken and in despair. If you just sit back and see the story for that it is, as story about sadness, pain, grief it really is good writing

  • @AstaIsAMonster
    @AstaIsAMonster 5 лет назад +67

    Tom King is a garbage writer on Heroes In Crisis and on Batman. But what pissed me off the most was Tom King wasting the beautiful artwork in both comics.

    • @thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805
      @thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805 5 лет назад +5

      More like Didio wanted to treat Wally like that, read King's Mister Miracle and Vision, he's great but dropped the ball on this one

    • @keithc9289
      @keithc9289 5 лет назад +4

      I like tom king on some of batman's run. All the way until he had dick shot by KGBeast. But ya hes a pretty bad writer overall.

  • @rolan8778
    @rolan8778 4 года назад +3

    52:32 I can relate to this type of feelings and emotions. This part of the video really took my breathe away.

  • @rookiedrifter4273
    @rookiedrifter4273 5 лет назад +49

    I... I... I don't know how to feel about this story at all. On one hand, I'm absolutely furious they did Wally and Roy dirty like that and ruined DC Rebirth, which I was really happy about since we got back Impulse, but on the other, damn man this shit made me cry more than I've ever cried before with some of those confessions, especially Booster's, so like yeah I'm mad and I hate the story, it's got some objectively good writing and deep emotional conflicts in it.

  • @pcssfc
    @pcssfc 4 года назад +33

    I like how they draw Harley to look like Margo Robbie

  • @DarkOmegaMK2
    @DarkOmegaMK2 2 года назад +3

    Wally murdered a lot of heroes for no reason. And we never get to see who was behind helping Gotham Girl.

  • @MADLADCOMICS
    @MADLADCOMICS 5 лет назад +1

    This was unnecessarily convoluted....like wally went from sad, to depressed, to insane out of nowhere. Seriously he killed everyone by accident, but set up a fake crime scene framing two inncocent people then killed a alternate version of himself....like WHAT?!

  • @Teamo86
    @Teamo86 5 лет назад +41

    Wally West: The dummest hero ever known.
    No serious: why mess up a character like that. And the writing is clunky. The presentation was good though.

    • @cunnyman
      @cunnyman 5 лет назад +4

      @Roter Blitz - DCUO Not even gonna say how stupid or wrong that sounds. I understand liking Jay but Barry? lmao. Barry Allen in the comics has only been around for 10 years. His silver age self was an entirely different character.
      You're most likely around 10-15 years old right now to not appreciate Wally West or seen his legacy.

    • @徐思逸-i7g
      @徐思逸-i7g 4 года назад +4

      @Roter Blitz - DCUO Boy, do you even know there is no speed force before Wally become the Main Flash? Love Flash but hate Wally is like enjoying peanut butter sandwich but hate peanut butter. What you are saying just shows you don't even know the stuff that you are talking about.

    • @gaminglazarus4343
      @gaminglazarus4343 4 года назад

      i have the flash 1990 dvd series and i have flash comics. i like flash,jay garrick and flash,barry allen they are original flash . wenn wally west was kid flash that was no problem . after crisis on crisis infinite earths wenn wally west the be main flash was not happy and hate it . speed force have create flash,barry allen.

    • @WhiteJeezus
      @WhiteJeezus 4 года назад +1

      @@徐思逸-i7g no. Barry literally created the speed force. Wtf are you talking about? Wally fanboys out here getting it all wrong. You're trying to say the SIDEKICK created the thing that the real hero gets his power from? No no no. Barry did it. He adds to the speed force with every step he takes. Wally didn't create shit. Get your facts straight

    • @coenvore1675
      @coenvore1675 4 года назад

      @@WhiteJeezus Well barry didnt create the speed force either, it was given to him in the lighting strike.

  • @chrissmith-sm8kw
    @chrissmith-sm8kw 5 лет назад +6

    This is an amazing story. I'm glad you picked it for this weeks complete story. I think we can all find something in this story we can relate to and I'm thankful for you guys for bringing it to us, the masses. Most people don't read comics that muc anymore and it's a shame cause when stories like this come out, it gets lost among the other titles. It's a truly touching story arc and I for one have been there. I've had a very hard life and sometimes you hurt people you don't mean to because you are hurting inside yourself. It's great that you guys can break it down and make it so people who like superheros can see that they are just as flawed as all of us. That they hurt just like you or me. That even superheros need help sometimes. So, thanks Benny, and the whole crew for doing what you do so the rest of the world who don't have time to read a comic can see that just because your a hero, don't mean you don't need saving.

  • @VhanchyShu
    @VhanchyShu 5 лет назад +17

    This is IMO a masterpiece, but maybe not as a comic book story. I felt the message in this story. As someone who is suffering from depression for years, I get how Wally feels(of course not as horrible as he does but, you get my point). People who might not know how depression feels like will see this story as the writer ''shitting'' on Wally, but those who can relate to him will see that this as a great way of showing how Wally, and how someone suffers on something and no one can understand. People with depression tend to do irreversible mistakes, and usually just wants all of it to end. And here we see Wally did both, accidentally killing people and kill himself just to end it all. That is how depression works. You get stuck in a loop of suffering each and every second of your life from the moment the depression began. That's how we lose people who we laugh at because we think they're overreacting. I never tear up in comic book stories but this, this one almost made me cry. Can't find the right words to express what I felt but this story really shows that even the strongest person still and definitely can suffer, and we need to be there for them, we just need to know, we need to understand and show them that they are not alone.
    What an amazing story to let us fans now how Wally is suffering and how he feels. It definitely has it flaws, but it was still a good story IMO.

    • @RedMlnz
      @RedMlnz 5 лет назад +4

      Exactly my thoughts. As someone who's suffered from depression, I can relate with the story. This is a story about showing how someone suffers from things no one can really understand, not a story about superheroes doing their usual superhero things. This shows that even the most amazing people we know can still be vulnerable. Might not be a great superhero story, but it is still is a great story nonetheless.

    • @jakehero95
      @jakehero95 2 года назад

      Completely agree, especially that they shouldn't have done it as a comic book. Idk maybe it's just me but I read comics cuz I'm trying to escape reality into a world where superheroes and perfect ppl *do* exist not continue to be reminded of my struggle. Other than that I do like it and it's msg

  • @ironmanrox3145
    @ironmanrox3145 3 года назад +2

    I learned an important lesson from this, dont try to be fancy and frame two people at once. Just leave no witnesses

  • @matts6359
    @matts6359 5 лет назад +1

    So glad you put this together. I forgot to check in on the next video after I saw the first one!

  • @ninjay204
    @ninjay204 5 лет назад +24

    I just want more ginger Wally West and Nightwing, together or separate

  • @Brother_bear5
    @Brother_bear5 5 лет назад +11

    I would just like to inform everyone that War of the Realms, Spider-man Marvel Knights, and the Batman Who Laughed is completely finished

  • @jamcalx
    @jamcalx 5 лет назад +31

    Heroes in crisis pre-release
    Me: this can be an entertaining and thoughtful way to discuss mental health in a somber and relatable way.
    After Heroes in Crisis
    Me: THIS AVENGERS 200 BAD, AND IS AN INSULT TO THE READERS (NAMELY WALLY WEST FANS), THE CHARACTERS INVOLVED, AND DISRESPECTFUL MISAPPLICATION OF ITS SUBJECT MATTER!!!
    If you're hurting, *KEEP REACHING OUT FOR HELP!* Your do yourself and the world of service by doing so, helping yourself grow stronger and helping others be better by helping their fellow human beings. It's okay to need help and *YOU MATTER* .

    • @kannathraymaker
      @kannathraymaker 5 лет назад +2

      JamCal-X I felt the same way! Damn it, Wally (of all people) became the poster boy of the SOB’s that shoot up schools, places of worship, and entertainment venues (as well as the occasional political event) because (like Wally) they were overwhelmed in the moment. Completely destroyed decades of character development to tell this very out of character story. I just hope they pretend it never happened. Such a waste of a really good opportunity to write a great story about mental health.

    • @jamcalx
      @jamcalx 5 лет назад

      @@kannathraymaker his current Flash Forward story doesn't through it out, but you can tell that the author wants to restore his character and do something good with him. So far it's pretty good.

    • @kavehami4940
      @kavehami4940 5 лет назад

      Wally needed to break for new comic series flash forward it has one issue now

    • @KidSnivy69
      @KidSnivy69 5 лет назад +1

      I know Wally has been through a lot, but he is the last person in the DC Universe who would do this!

  • @lovehenegan6064
    @lovehenegan6064 5 лет назад +9

    This broke my heart.

  • @laykbm719
    @laykbm719 5 лет назад +11

    lagoon boy Lowkey kind of made me sad

  • @murica8640
    @murica8640 4 года назад +7

    i like the theme of this and the thought that years of battle can really effect these heroes but it had a poor execution

  • @viciousrich
    @viciousrich 5 лет назад +26

    Don't worry chat Scott Lobdell will save Wally from King.

    • @skyslasher2297
      @skyslasher2297 5 лет назад +2

      ya the guy that made Red Hood and the Outlaws, and The Nova Girls is gonna save the day definetly

    • @agabz9971
      @agabz9971 5 лет назад +5

      Although i wasnt a big fan of him on red hood and the outlaws it seems like he’s doing good shit rn

  • @TRIELUS
    @TRIELUS 4 года назад +1

    The artwork is insane. You wish all people looked this good.

  • @bloodyneptune
    @bloodyneptune 4 года назад +2

    I think this story could have been one of the best if they'd just cut the murder mystery out of it. Just have the tapes leak out somehow, and center the plot around the fear that if the tapes are released, the public might lose faith in their heroes when they realize they're not infallible, and the shit they've seen has messed them up. Then round it off with the heroes deciding to be open about it, and have the public react positively, realizing that everything they do for them has caused them a lot of psychological trauma but they _still_ always fight for them.
    But having Wally kill them due to his trauma would just re-affirms any worries people would have if the tapes came out. That whole speech Superman gives "to acknowledge those who fight are vulnerable, afraid, does that mean you should all be afraid" falls a little flat when one of their heroes literally murdered a bunch of other heroes specifically because of his trauma. Personally Id be thinking that If he could do that to his _friends_ what could he do to everyone else? The murder plot just ruined it, I think

  • @m.y1152
    @m.y1152 5 лет назад +3

    Finally, I'll be back to watch this weekend

  • @cgamejewels
    @cgamejewels 5 лет назад +2

    WW punching that Penny and it falling on one of the Batmobiles and Batman asking Superman why he didn't catch the penny made me laugh so hard.
    Wally, No!!!!
    Sweet potatoes?! Yeah... Sure... Ok.

  • @kalltdalfred
    @kalltdalfred 5 лет назад +77

    Why harley is so strong in this

    • @kennylee2376
      @kennylee2376 5 лет назад +34

      Plot armor.

    • @mansn3150
      @mansn3150 4 года назад +4

      Plot armor

    • @estebangutierrez160
      @estebangutierrez160 3 года назад +1

      Other than the beginning of the story where she says that she doesn't believe in trauma, Plot Armor and the best character DC comics ever created

  • @charleslightfoot3707
    @charleslightfoot3707 5 лет назад +5

    This is just a DC laymens pov. I thought it was good. Making a hero the villian by accident. Thanks Benny for doin this. I'm a Marvel guy but I like DC also. So, anyways, good job.

  • @bluearmy6847
    @bluearmy6847 4 года назад +2

    The past can alter the future, but wally knew it and he was willing to make them feel more pain even though it would work he'll keep making himself truly, physically, emotionally, and actually alone for good!
    Let that burn within you until the flames run into ash.

  • @konton217
    @konton217 5 лет назад +4

    I actually like this crossover series even though it was a fill-in. Seeing each hero/antihero interview was one my favorite parts of it. Either they made you laugh a little or down right felt sorry for the pain and stress they were going through. Especially Wally West which is understandable he been through and lost a lot and it was showing through various comics how it was affecting him I really felt his breakdown in this. I also love Harley's and Ivy's panels showing them trying to comfort each other even though Harley was trying her best to be Ivy's emotional rock. Ivy seems to always be Harley's emotional rock (even though before 52/rebirth she wasn't so BFF with benefits like she is now). Seeing them and also Bat-Girl and Harley comforting each other was really emotional I really like those panels.
    I do have a problem with them killing off characters again that is getting a little old makes me feel like they are trying to clean house sometimes and 5 years later they are reborn out of no where lol.

  • @louisalectube
    @louisalectube 5 лет назад +13

    I have to say the artwork is awesome! That's how superheroes should look! Also: This story is wide open for a "Parallax possessed me and forced me to do it" revision story.

    • @wesleystewart1193
      @wesleystewart1193 5 лет назад +1

      I agree except Barry’s symbol has 4 bolts like Godspeed instead of 3

  • @justinrosa5423
    @justinrosa5423 4 года назад

    I am so happy you do this! I listen to you like your the news channel while I'm at work lol I appreciate you

  • @jaycemcqueen306
    @jaycemcqueen306 Год назад +2

    So Harley can win in a fight against Wonder Woman, Batman, booster and Superman

  • @dawnloria6370
    @dawnloria6370 5 лет назад +3

    I loved the purpose of the story - that even our heroes hurt and need help and that there should be no shame in it. Mental health is soooo important and what better way to communicate that idea than with a story about heroes. The artwork was gorgeous and the story was heartbreaking. I only wish that the last issue had not felt like it was throw together at the last minute. I hated the time shenanigans and making Wally build the crime scene. With another issue or 2, they could have brought the story to a better close. I read Flash Forward 1 and I am excited to see where they take it.

    • @Akkbar21
      @Akkbar21 5 лет назад +1

      Talking about mental health and trying to have a positive effect against the stigma is nice and all, but you need to tell a good story. This just didn’t feel like a good story. I need to feel like it’s worth it when you get to the end and frankly this didn’t feel worth it. It was boring and convoluted imo.

    • @cgamejewels
      @cgamejewels 5 лет назад

      Ditto

  • @LibertyBridgeProductions
    @LibertyBridgeProductions 4 года назад +1

    I respect they put Lagoon Boy’s trains from titans east.
    Always thought it was a shame they never touched on that.

  • @thatguywiththetripod8577
    @thatguywiththetripod8577 4 года назад +2

    After reading Heroes in Crisis, I can see why a lot of people hate it. Wally West lead an entire generation of comic book readers, so him going nuts would definably piss off a lot of people. That being said I think the main problem with H.I.C is the character assassination's. Believe it or not I don't blame Wally for killing everyone at Sanctuary, mainly because it was an accident. The stress finally got to him and his powers went out of control. No the problem was him covering his tracks and framing Booster and Harley. To me Wally should have just curled up into a ball and cried until Superman came to investigate, then explain what happen before taken into custody and getting the help he needs. Heroes in Crisis should have been about Wally dealing with his trauma and talking to an actual therapist, instead of robots.
    Now that is just one example of mistreated characters. Later in the story when superheroes go to sanctuary after seeing it's not bad, Hal Jordon goes there and asks that he has willpower, but what does that mean? When I read that I was like, really? Not want to talk about how you became possessed by a space bug, destroyed the Green Lantern Corps, and became a supervillain for a few years? Stuff like that is what I'm talking about and there are other examples like that as well.
    Now there's a lot to unpack with Heroes in Crisis and I feel that other people who know more about these characters then me can talk about it more in-depth about. I'm just saying that I can see why people hate the book so much. On a more positive side I do like how we learn about the trauma of some of the characters before they died. My favorite was Gnarrk. He's a caveman frozen and thawed out in present times and his time in sanctuary is about him missing and reflecting on his old world and comparing it to this new one and wonders if one is truly better then the other. That's really interesting, I wouldn't classify that as trauma, more like an existential crisis, it's stuff like that I really enjoyed. I have no idea if he went through something like this in the past, but if he didn't then makes then this is really interesting.
    Plus, even though Wally killed everyone then hid his tracks was not good, we at least see his thought process while he did so. It wasn't like a switch was flipped and he went supervillain, no it showed that all the stress and paranoia finally go to him and then he snapped, which I feel is very human. I'm not saying what he did was good or even defending his actions, I'm just saying I like that we saw him get to where he was at end of the story.

  • @user-pv1qk4so6s
    @user-pv1qk4so6s Год назад

    I really liked this. The ending felt really rushed. Especially for how in your face the purpose of the story was presented

  • @LibertyBridgeProductions
    @LibertyBridgeProductions 4 года назад +3

    I don’t like how Wally framed Booster and Harley.
    Just doesn’t seem like something Wally West would do cuz it’s a bit reckless to do it for 5 whole days.
    Idek what he’d want to do for 5 days or why he’d wait to confess if he doesn’t have anything in particular to do.

  • @mrditkovich5634
    @mrditkovich5634 5 лет назад +4

    Nobody:
    Tom King:You dare oppose me mortal

    • @znspyder
      @znspyder 5 лет назад +1

      Wally west fans: Yes.

  • @TheGamingZone-
    @TheGamingZone- Год назад

    wow this is extremely good you voiced it very well man this is the type of stories DC needs to put to animation and stop doing stories no one really cares for
    they keep taking these side stories and make them into animated movies but stories like this should be the ones being made not ones that features bat sex

  • @joec1324
    @joec1324 3 года назад +1

    Poison ivy "we should give them sweet potatoes" I would love some sweet potatoes 🤣

  • @christophersmith6432
    @christophersmith6432 2 года назад

    Okay. First off, benny. I love you. Second, my wife recently committed a very long suicide arch. She was in multiple organ failure and was hurting and never shared it with anyone. She hurt, lonely cause I worked alot of hours, her friends didn't really talk to her too much. She had quit taking her meds to help, began drinking heavily, ignored doctors appointments. She gave up and wanted to go home. I do too. I miss my best friend. My soulmate. My everything. My wife. My valerie. This helped me. Showed that everyone hurts. We all need that time to heal. It's been almost 2months since she died and I'm no where near healed. I never will be. But, I want help so I can live on through her and try to make the life I live be hers.

  • @jacobramos3473
    @jacobramos3473 2 года назад +4

    Who's here after young justice season 4 finale

  • @wesleystewart1193
    @wesleystewart1193 5 лет назад +9

    Am I the only one that noticed that Barry’s symbol has an additional bolt on it

  • @DKillmonger1
    @DKillmonger1 5 лет назад

    Thank you for creating the full story series

  • @suicaedere7244
    @suicaedere7244 5 лет назад +4

    I'll be strong, Flash Forward started well, Wally will be back.

  • @cliftonmoore8316
    @cliftonmoore8316 4 года назад

    i could watch these all day

  • @StillJustBob76
    @StillJustBob76 5 лет назад

    You are the best, do not quit

  • @jamesvalentine4959
    @jamesvalentine4959 5 лет назад

    Love this story. theyre opening a wide varieties or multiple "what if" and they all are good writting.

  • @doomdrago_extreamgt
    @doomdrago_extreamgt 3 года назад +1

    Batman: we can just use the batradio
    Flash: I'm faster than the batradio
    Batman: I'm not sure that's true
    Meanwhile Barry running to other countries and back in a couple seconds: you sure?

  • @terrygordon5542
    @terrygordon5542 5 лет назад +11

    Wow you just narrated my love of comics dying...

  • @clarktheshark1014
    @clarktheshark1014 4 года назад

    These long videos of these comics are soooo good!

  • @peanutmoose9591
    @peanutmoose9591 4 года назад +6

    The conclusion to this story line is so stupid. They could have done so much more with it, why make Wally the culprit why not bane or Gotham girl, or have a scenario where sanctuary it's self killed the heroes out of a missed placed sense of mercy, or that solitary guy from the red hood and the outlaws.

  • @supleted
    @supleted 2 года назад +1

    Spoiler:
    "Hey remember that time the Flash killed a whole bunch of people and tried to frame other people for it?"

  • @jizzmaster4144
    @jizzmaster4144 3 года назад

    “Sometimes you die
    You get used to it or you don’t”
    Jason Todd moment

  • @T_RipTheHomie
    @T_RipTheHomie 3 года назад +1

    “I like the dinosaur.” ~Batman

  • @Majinbeck_exe
    @Majinbeck_exe 4 года назад +3

    Superman will always be my favourite hero and the best hero of all time