I've test driven both of these in the UK. MG 4 and Ora Funky Cat. Both excellent cars. Due to a broken Toyota I've bought a second hand Ex Motability (government scheme for disabled users) MG 4. Loving it.
Since you mention Toyota, what is striking about the MG 4 is that it's about the same size as a Corolla Hatchback and is actually price competitive for the specifications. Even without any subsidy. Give it a couple more years and EVs will be cheaper than ICE vehicles completely. The likes of Toyota who've missed the boat will see their lunch eaten from under their noses.
@@bdeithrick Brilliant 😂! Yep, 4 month old ex Motability. Sometimes conditions worsen and they're unable to drive anymore it's a shame, loss of independence is very sad. Got me a discount on nearly new car.
I have the MG4 Trophy in the UK and confirm it is the best car I have ever driven. We get free annual road side assistance if we have the car serviced by the dealer we purchased it from. Not driven the Ora but as it’s front wheel drive I am sure it cannot compete for driving experience with the MG4
Tesla Viking, have you actually sat in either of these cars you're giving buying advice for? Let alone driven them? How can you recommend either of them?
@@Bo-electric Euh. Buying a car unseen or unsat in is something else entirely to giving buying advice without actually having seen or driven a car. On what information is the recommendation based? However, it's not untypical for Viking to have a strong opinion while doing very limited research on a topic. Don't talk nonsense like 'you can sit comfortable in any car'. That might be the case for you, but it isn't typically the case for everyone. If those many YT videos telling you the seats in some car are bad, all were Viking-like reviews, you wouldn't actually know whether the seats are bad, would you? Nobody would have actually sat in them before telling you they are bad.
@@Bo-electric I don't like the way Tesla Viking presents his 'facts' which are clearly quite often wrong, misrepresented statistics or extremely biased (pure propaganda). Nobody benefits from misrepresentation of facts. You can be a proponent of EVs and the electrification of our economy without being blind to reality or factually wrong. Electric is the future, absolutely. No doubt about it. I'm an electr(on)ics engineer myself. There is no other way. Sure _YOU_ can buy a car without a test drive. I don't dispute that. I wouldn't do it, but everybody wants something else from a car and everybody makes his/her own choices when buying stuff. What you cannot do is invent a story and present it as fact. Which is what you do if you give buying advice without actually investigating or trying the product. Or you _can_, but then you should not be surprised if people laugh at your advice and call it out. I'd like to see the research that shows that the absolute majority of buyers is wrong and just losing time by sitting in a car first, before they buy it. You cannot see whether a seat is comfortable or not. It's just not possible. You can assume something about comfort when you see a seat, but you cannot know.
@@Bo-electric Hey, you keep picking your comfy chairs with your eyes. No problem! And of course you don't have to try your exact copy of a product to know how it feels. You can't drive your specific new car before you buy either. It's built to order. That's why they have demos. You're playing dumb now. Please don't do that. There will be fewer dealers in the future, I'm sure, but some will remain and other things will take over their function. Tesla also still has sales centers, where you can try before you buy.
@@Bo-electric I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. My apologies. For the third time: I have no problem with your method of buying a car. If you just want to roll the dice or you can be sure your requirements will be met from the information on the website, you go right ahead. You can keep up bringing up this point, but the fact that this works for you is not going to convince me it would work for me (or for even most people). I'm not dropping 50k-60k on a product unseen and I think it is very unwise if you did do that. But to each his own.... IF dealers become non-existent (which might happen for new car dealers, but secondhand dealers have a bright future for now), then all automakers will put Apple store-like shops everywhere, so you can still try before you buy. Tesla does this for example. As does Nio. You can keep on ignoring this fact as you have done the last time and keep banging on about dealers disappearing, but the evidence is there. I'd like to see the evidence that most of us don't have 'special needs' as you say it. I'm going to let that go, because I assume your not a native English speaker, but it is a highly offensive term.
I would of absolutely hated owning an BYD Atto 3 had I not test drove it! The stupid fixed headrest made the car extremely uncomfortable for me! The lower part of the headrest dug into my shoulders and lower neck. And that was just a 30 min test drive any more than that would of been hell! I sat in the MG4 in Thailand, both my wife and I just thought wow this interior is so cheap looking! And that was the end of us liking the MG4. We test drove a Tesla Model Y, very nice car to drive, but wow 15" screen and could not see many of the icons, there was 4 of us in the car, none of us thought it was worth the money. The upcoming brand new Hyundai Kona EV look very promising, as does the Ioniq 3. But like all of them I will still try them out first before spending $50k plus. But I guess some people have more money than brains to buy without seeing of trying!
From what I read, the Ora Funky cat will be around 32.000 pond. Starting prices i the Netherlands will be €33.350 base model. We will wait for the smaller EV's categories in the €20.000 to €25.000 price range. VW claims to produce a ID.2 below €25.000 in 2 years, and after that an EV in the €20.000 range.
Both have pros and cons. For me, the bigger battery is a no-brainer, as it performs better in our colder climate, it's got a much faster charging tested up to 140kw vs under 100kw in the LFP. The crazy people try and say that LFP can be charged to 100% without damaging the battery, which is true sort of. My 2014 or 9 year old 24kwh Nissan Leaf I own has always been charged to 100% and I charge it every single day and it's still going strong, so the new non LFP batteries will still out last the car itself! Now let's look at the capacity the MG4 64kwh if charged to 80% is 51kwh or the same amount as the 51kwh. However on a long trip no one ever wants to charge to 100% as from 80-100% is painfully slow! So if both charge to 80% then of course the 64kwh battery wins!
While my Zoe was being serviced last week (£100 uk) i visted the MG showroom and viewed the MG4. While chatting to the salesman he said buy the MG base model i.e. the one without the split spoiler as the splt spoiler reduces the cars range by 30 miles. Well done that man most salesmen woud be trying to bump you up the range. We have 3 MG 4 models here in the UK and they start at £26k.
The spoiler doesn't reduce it by that much but it is a little less. Estimated as 10 miles less in motorway driving. Probably negligible in stop/start traffic.
@@CastleKnight7 I think the SE looks a little more attractive from the rear too. The Trophy spoiler looks a little like somebody spreading their bum cheeks. That said I've preordered a trophy for the other stuff - 360 camera, leather seats etc so I guess everyone behind will enjoy the view.
3:36 EVDirect is charging how much exactly for servicing an Atto 3 every year? It was initially $3100 over 8 years plus consumables. It’s come down a lot. Still high for a FWD BEV
Honestly, I would rather have that Honda E-Prototype that is never going to be built, rather than ANY of these vehicles. Likewise, the Canoo looks like exactly what I want, but again it is looking more and more unlikely. Guess I will have to get the Tesla 2 ... if I can afford one.
In Germany, MG4 is about 30.000 to 36.000 EUR, and Ora Cat is 37.000 to 47.000 EUR (with state required manufacturer discount, without environmental state bonus).
Hi, I was thinking on buying MG4, the battery life warranty of 7 years attracted me the most. However, i am using it as a rideshare and i just realised the warranty is not for commercial use. My question is do we need to replace battery within 3 years of purchase as we will be riding around 1000km a month? Is it really worth it for ride share just nervous as they mentioned warranty as a plus point but they have mentioned non commercial use. Thank you.
I saw the Funky Cat at Fully Charged UK last year and really liked the styling. But Ora have really dropped the ball with UK pricing. The entry level car should have been a £20k car, with the biggest battery top spec at under £30k. The compromises on spec wouldn’t have mattered then. But it starts at £32k for a car with just a 48kWh battery. For an unknown brand with a car that doesn’t charge very fast and has a tiny boot, that’s way too much money. If you have £32k buy an MG4 Trophy. If you don’t by an MG4 SE SR which is £27k
I also sat in that Funky/Good Cat at FC Live 2022, and was lovely inside. Not quite my taste but I could have got used to it. But latterly I saw the price and was so disappointed. It starts more expensive than the top of the range MG4 Trophy, and the spec doesn't match up.
Dealer confirmed in Melb the MG is 53k drive away. Way too pricey for a Chinese version but appears to be a fantastic vehicle. Have a model 3 long and have a Y long on the way. Was considering downsizing the 3 to the MG but not sure it’s worth it. I’d still opt for the 3 RWD over the MG starting at 66k drive away, only 12k difference which is worth it IMO.
Just poor quality interior in mg . Cheap hard plastics , they even forgot basics like rear interior lights, no cup holders , only 1 usb in rear and no rear camera where Ora has 360 camera
The Good Cat looks like a fun car. Like the original mini minor. But I would not want to pay more than $20K for it. The MG4 looks good and I would move from my MG ZS Mk 1 into an MG4 but only when the price of EVs drops, which it will.
MG Australia called me last Tuesday about the deposit I put down for an MG4, Viking saying $47,990, aaahhh no more like $51,000, waiting for the base model price to see what that comes in at, if its not around the $43 K mark no go, otherwise I am going for the BYD Dolphin, should be priced much better
The Ora video you have in the "background" is extremely hectic... Extremely... I watch your video on the phone, so I turned it away to save me from that ;-) I often watch YT videos on the phone, so I am not bound to the computer and can move around, but it is very rare that I move the screen away... I would stop the video if I don't like it, but turning the screen away and continue to listen is a reare thing for me ;-) By the way, I like the shape of the Ora good cat, but not the hectic video and not some data - I think the trunk is also a bit small.
Unfortunately here in NZ MG and Ora and BYD are price gauging via legacy dealerships. Only Tesla remains equal in dollar terms with Oz with current exchange rate. Disappointed.
For most people a Wuling Bin Guo would be enough. Chinese are more clever and buy the Wuling miniEV. Because: westerners always make false assumptions... especially regarding range: if you work you maybe make 20 kilometers to your work...where you can charge...and back 20 kilometers. Hell - let's say you need 50 kilometers to work and 50 kilometers back...standard mini EV has a range if 120 km, extended version 170 km. Even with such a miniEV range is not an issue.
If Australia is only getting the 64kwh MG4 isnt that the less reliable nickel/cobalt battery? lithium ion phosphate from base model overseas has double charging cycles and apparently very little negative effect using DC fast chargers / charging to 100%. Props to the amount of videos your pumping out!
You are correct. Australia is always a dump market place because we are so far behind. Not a good Idea to be an early adopter here. Lithium nickel/cobalt battery in Australia would probably mean they will be switching to the other LFP type latter. Better to wait.
Lol much better battery! Let's see LFP poor cold winter performance, much slower charging max 88kw vs 140kw on the MG4. So-called longer life on the LFP becomes pointless as the MG battery will outlast the car! Poor memory on the LFP so always shows the same range every time you charge the car. Many are claiming the Blade battery are safer, yet some blade batteries in China have caught fire while charging! While the numbers are low the Blade battery does still burn! Yes the LFP can be charged to 100% but that is only useful around town as no one of any battery chemistry wants to charge to 100% on a trip due to the painfully slow 80-100%
@@gregb1599 cold weather is not an issue in Australia. I drive an MGZS EV and i can tell you that the BOM is not accurate and i rarely see over 205kms indicated range when fully charged ( 263Km is suppose to be range when new), and my car is only 2 yealrs old. Not all NMC batteries are created equal, if you are talking Tesla then i would agree regarding longevity of cells. I await delivery of a M3LR to replace the MG at the end of the month. I rarely use fast charging as I have a 7kw charger at home, my house has 10KW of solar panels and 14Kw of storage batteries (LFP). over 90% of my charging is from solar and storage which keeps the cost minimal. If people are worried about how slow a car is to chargge when doing long trips then maybe they should fly instead. i was only suggesting the comparison between the MG4 and the Atto3 as value proposition.
Every time I read of a super low cost car in China and then read the cost of the same car in a Country like Australia I do do basic exchange rate calculations in head and try to figure out if everyone outside China is being ripped off.
I choose the Nio ET7. According to Nvidia autonomous driving level 4 needs 400 TFLOPS. Nio has the 1016 TFLOPS processing unit ADA-M. Also: NIO's line of sight are 687m (Tesla: 229m); Tesla detects a person up to 74 m away - NIO detects a person up to 223 m away. MG4 and GWM Ora Cat? Have to read up about their sensors and processing units.
It's a no brainer Nio is miles ahead of Tesla that's why it recieved 3 accolades in 3 out of 4 countries it has launched in Europe. Their volume brand Project firefly will most likely compete with Tesla
Ora Cat have set their base price at $43k is just to take the crown of Australia's cheapest EV. The fact is, they need to be hitting the 39k number if they want their sales to explode.
MG4 and good Cat are Overpriced and BYD acts like a cash strapped company in Australia so the BYD Dolphin will be close to their price. Have you seen Toyota's Australian Ads claiming Toyota has a 35 year history with EV's and makes it look like its going to flood the market with EV's.
did you really want to recommend the extended range MG4 as its not LFP then... so you can't fully charge it as much as LFP unless you want to degrade it faster. LFPs last longer, can be charged to 100% so u get similar range especially in future years as it degrades slower than other battery.
Ora Good Cat is safer in an accident also seems better equipped to avoid the accident in the first place, going by the numbers on the European crash testing. 64kwh MG4 way faster at charging around 140kw charging speed, MG4 V2L, much bigger boot on the MG. And both the same cost.
Damn I was hoping the current MG4 variant we’re getting would have a LFP battery but guess we’re not there yet… the base model doesn’t have enough range for me ☹️
Check out Stuart Thomas RUclips channel fo eexcellent real world driving and charging reviews of MG4 stabdard range. I’d prefer LFP chemistry, and Stuart has me convinced that the standard range LFP is the way to go.
And I am the opposite, I prefer the non LFP battery as in cooler climates, the LFP suffers! It's also much slower charging, poor range calculation which is why they always show the same range everytime you charge the car. Also so many claim the LFP will last longer which is true, but I have probably the worst battery ever for an EV it's a 2014 Nissan Leaf or 9 years old and it's battery is still going strong. So, in the real world, the non LFP battery is still going to out last the car! Safety? It's not a big difference. So far, only 1 Nissan Leaf has ever caught fire, and its cause was never known. So the only positive I can see is cost. They are cheaper to make and do not have cobalt, but everything else in the car has been made using cobalt!
@vgbyte And that is a good reason to get that model, but stop bashing other battery chemistries as some people do not want to spend 40 min to charge to 80%. Also the reason the 64kwh battery is not LFP is because energy density is poor so they just cannot fit! Then many use the stupid augument that the LFP can be charged to 100% but what is 80% of the 64kwh battery? 51kwh so if someone owns a 64kwh and chargers to 80% then it's the same capacity. However on a long road trip no one will want to charge to 100% as the time from 80%-100% is painfully slow so if both charge to 80% then the non LFP wins
@@gregb1599 yes well, good point about charging to 80%, never thought about it that way. Might even consider the longer range version now...depends on whether we get any incentives here
The MG4 looks to be one of the best value for money electric cars in the car markets of several European countries! Unfortunately, it is not available in all European countries; and it is not yet able to "kill" badly overpriced VW ID.3 sales. However, I have mixed feelings about the success of MG4. If we remember what a repressive and anti-democratic regime China is! I am looking forward to Tesla finally making good on their promises and bringing an affordable compact electric car to European market...There is very little chance of expecting something affordable from European legacy automakers...
I haven't seen any positive reviews for the Ora. None have had anything bad to say about it, but they're all pretty much "meh" it's not as good as other EVs, such as the MG4.
Just read the MG 4 in NZ will start at NZ$54,990, way too high for the average Joe. For some reason (greed?) any big ticket item tends to suffer from a multiplier effect on the price when they enter NZ. The cynic in me thinks the dealer may have added the clean car rebate of $8625 to the selling price. Will pass on this one.
MG Australia called me last Tuesday about the deposit I put down for an MG4, Viking saying $47,990, aaahhh no more like $51,000, waiting for the base model price otherwise I am going the BYD Dolphin, should be priced much better
@@jarrettstock9082 Sad to say I am not optimistic that the BYD Dolphin will be much cheaper than the MG 4. Due to the lack of hatchback models coming in and therefore competition the distributors will be price gouging. Until Tesla comes out with the Model 2, I think NZ distributors will continue to screw us on on supposedly cheap Chinese made EVs. There is a conundrum though, can I afford to wait till then and run the risk that the clean car rebate will be discontinued?
Just the brand, yes. Nothing to do with the famous cars of the past. Comparable to Philips/Magnavox TVs (are they still sold in the US?). Those TVs have nothing to do with the original maker of consumer electronics and healthcare products anymore. The brand label was sold to a Chinese manufacturer over a decade ago.
I've test driven both of these in the UK.
MG 4 and Ora Funky Cat.
Both excellent cars.
Due to a broken Toyota I've bought a second hand Ex Motability (government scheme for disabled users) MG 4.
Loving it.
Since you mention Toyota, what is striking about the MG 4 is that it's about the same size as a Corolla Hatchback and is actually price competitive for the specifications. Even without any subsidy. Give it a couple more years and EVs will be cheaper than ICE vehicles completely. The likes of Toyota who've missed the boat will see their lunch eaten from under their noses.
A broken Toyota 😯. And and mg that’s so old it’s already exMobility. Wow😮
@@bdeithrick Brilliant 😂!
Yep, 4 month old ex Motability.
Sometimes conditions worsen and they're unable to drive anymore it's a shame, loss of independence is very sad.
Got me a discount on nearly new car.
@@andrewsaint6581 father got a cheap Yeti with 17k miles on. Couldn’t believe it.
I have the MG4 Trophy in the UK and confirm it is the best car I have ever driven. We get free annual road side assistance if we have the car serviced by the dealer we purchased it from. Not driven the Ora but as it’s front wheel drive I am sure it cannot compete for driving experience with the MG4
This is what I am interested in. While the Dolphin is still #1 on my list, I will buy which ever becomes available first in Guatemala.
Sam you are wrong, the MG4 does have an LFP battery in the 50.8 kw version £26k in the UK it also outsold the Tesla Model Y in March.
Sam is always wrong!
Also here in Ireland start MG4 29500 Goodcat 32000 Euros
Tesla Viking, have you actually sat in either of these cars you're giving buying advice for? Let alone driven them? How can you recommend either of them?
@@Bo-electric Euh. Buying a car unseen or unsat in is something else entirely to giving buying advice without actually having seen or driven a car. On what information is the recommendation based?
However, it's not untypical for Viking to have a strong opinion while doing very limited research on a topic.
Don't talk nonsense like 'you can sit comfortable in any car'. That might be the case for you, but it isn't typically the case for everyone.
If those many YT videos telling you the seats in some car are bad, all were Viking-like reviews, you wouldn't actually know whether the seats are bad, would you? Nobody would have actually sat in them before telling you they are bad.
@@Bo-electric I don't like the way Tesla Viking presents his 'facts' which are clearly quite often wrong, misrepresented statistics or extremely biased (pure propaganda). Nobody benefits from misrepresentation of facts.
You can be a proponent of EVs and the electrification of our economy without being blind to reality or factually wrong.
Electric is the future, absolutely. No doubt about it. I'm an electr(on)ics engineer myself. There is no other way.
Sure _YOU_ can buy a car without a test drive. I don't dispute that. I wouldn't do it, but everybody wants something else from a car and everybody makes his/her own choices when buying stuff.
What you cannot do is invent a story and present it as fact. Which is what you do if you give buying advice without actually investigating or trying the product.
Or you _can_, but then you should not be surprised if people laugh at your advice and call it out.
I'd like to see the research that shows that the absolute majority of buyers is wrong and just losing time by sitting in a car first, before they buy it. You cannot see whether a seat is comfortable or not. It's just not possible. You can assume something about comfort when you see a seat, but you cannot know.
@@Bo-electric Hey, you keep picking your comfy chairs with your eyes. No problem!
And of course you don't have to try your exact copy of a product to know how it feels. You can't drive your specific new car before you buy either. It's built to order. That's why they have demos. You're playing dumb now. Please don't do that.
There will be fewer dealers in the future, I'm sure, but some will remain and other things will take over their function. Tesla also still has sales centers, where you can try before you buy.
@@Bo-electric I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. My apologies.
For the third time: I have no problem with your method of buying a car. If you just want to roll the dice or you can be sure your requirements will be met from the information on the website, you go right ahead.
You can keep up bringing up this point, but the fact that this works for you is not going to convince me it would work for me (or for even most people). I'm not dropping 50k-60k on a product unseen and I think it is very unwise if you did do that. But to each his own....
IF dealers become non-existent (which might happen for new car dealers, but secondhand dealers have a bright future for now), then all automakers will put Apple store-like shops everywhere, so you can still try before you buy. Tesla does this for example. As does Nio.
You can keep on ignoring this fact as you have done the last time and keep banging on about dealers disappearing, but the evidence is there.
I'd like to see the evidence that most of us don't have 'special needs' as you say it. I'm going to let that go, because I assume your not a native English speaker, but it is a highly offensive term.
I would of absolutely hated owning an BYD Atto 3 had I not test drove it! The stupid fixed headrest made the car extremely uncomfortable for me! The lower part of the headrest dug into my shoulders and lower neck. And that was just a 30 min test drive any more than that would of been hell! I sat in the MG4 in Thailand, both my wife and I just thought wow this interior is so cheap looking! And that was the end of us liking the MG4. We test drove a Tesla Model Y, very nice car to drive, but wow 15" screen and could not see many of the icons, there was 4 of us in the car, none of us thought it was worth the money.
The upcoming brand new Hyundai Kona EV look very promising, as does the Ioniq 3. But like all of them I will still try them out first before spending $50k plus. But I guess some people have more money than brains to buy without seeing of trying!
From what I read, the Ora Funky cat will be around 32.000 pond. Starting prices i the Netherlands will be €33.350 base model.
We will wait for the smaller EV's categories in the €20.000 to €25.000 price range. VW claims to produce a ID.2 below €25.000 in 2 years, and after that an EV in the €20.000 range.
While I absolutely love the look of the Ora a lot more, my mind says the MG4 is the better, more practical buy.
mg4 64kWh is li-ion (nmc), and the smaller 51kWh is LFP. Would you still recommend the longer range version?
Both have pros and cons. For me, the bigger battery is a no-brainer, as it performs better in our colder climate, it's got a much faster charging tested up to 140kw vs under 100kw in the LFP. The crazy people try and say that LFP can be charged to 100% without damaging the battery, which is true sort of. My 2014 or 9 year old 24kwh Nissan Leaf I own has always been charged to 100% and I charge it every single day and it's still going strong, so the new non LFP batteries will still out last the car itself! Now let's look at the capacity the MG4 64kwh if charged to 80% is 51kwh or the same amount as the 51kwh. However on a long trip no one ever wants to charge to 100% as from 80-100% is painfully slow! So if both charge to 80% then of course the 64kwh battery wins!
While my Zoe was being serviced last week (£100 uk) i visted the MG showroom and viewed the MG4. While chatting to the salesman he said buy the MG base model i.e. the one without the split spoiler as the splt spoiler reduces the cars range by 30 miles. Well done that man most salesmen woud be trying to bump you up the range. We have 3 MG 4 models here in the UK and they start at £26k.
The spoiler doesn't reduce it by that much but it is a little less. Estimated as 10 miles less in motorway driving. Probably negligible in stop/start traffic.
Australia and NZ just one model at start, which is the same as the MG4 Trophy in UK
I’d go for the SE Long Range. A much better value proposition.
@CastleKnight7 There is only one model in our line-up! Hello!! This is an Australian RUclips channel! Spec wise, it's close to the UK trophy edition!
@@CastleKnight7 I think the SE looks a little more attractive from the rear too. The Trophy spoiler looks a little like somebody spreading their bum cheeks. That said I've preordered a trophy for the other stuff - 360 camera, leather seats etc so I guess everyone behind will enjoy the view.
Ora, MG4 and BYD Dolphin need to hit the $40,000 AUD mark or below if they want to take control of the market.
3:36 EVDirect is charging how much exactly for servicing an Atto 3 every year? It was initially $3100 over 8 years plus consumables. It’s come down a lot. Still high for a FWD BEV
Honestly, I would rather have that Honda E-Prototype that is never going to be built, rather than ANY of these vehicles.
Likewise, the Canoo looks like exactly what I want, but again it is looking more and more unlikely.
Guess I will have to get the Tesla 2 ... if I can afford one.
In Germany, MG4 is about 30.000 to 36.000 EUR, and Ora Cat is 37.000 to 47.000 EUR (with state required manufacturer discount, without environmental state bonus).
In Denmark Tesla Model 3 is only 13% more expensive than the long range MG4, making the MG obsolete in our country....
Well duh! This Applies to our market genius! Where the MG4 costs $54000 vs $73,000 for the cheapest Model 3!
well for example in Croatia 33500eur for mg4 base version, and 45000 eur for the tesla model 3. so a huge difference there actually...
Hi,
I was thinking on buying MG4, the battery life warranty of 7 years attracted me the most. However, i am using it as a rideshare and i just realised the warranty is not for commercial use. My question is do we need to replace battery within 3 years of purchase as we will be riding around 1000km a month? Is it really worth it for ride share just nervous as they mentioned warranty as a plus point but they have mentioned non commercial use. Thank you.
The MG4 in Australia seems to be about $10,000 Aus. more than in Thailand. What's up with that?
I saw the Funky Cat at Fully Charged UK last year and really liked the styling. But Ora have really dropped the ball with UK pricing. The entry level car should have been a £20k car, with the biggest battery top spec at under £30k. The compromises on spec wouldn’t have mattered then. But it starts at £32k for a car with just a 48kWh battery. For an unknown brand with a car that doesn’t charge very fast and has a tiny boot, that’s way too much money. If you have £32k buy an MG4 Trophy. If you don’t by an MG4 SE SR which is £27k
I also sat in that Funky/Good Cat at FC Live 2022, and was lovely inside. Not quite my taste but I could have got used to it. But latterly I saw the price and was so disappointed. It starts more expensive than the top of the range MG4 Trophy, and the spec doesn't match up.
@@ramblerandy2397 precisely, this is not how you break into a new market. I'm just not sure who is going to buy a Funky Cat at that price
The MG4 has very funky styling that should appeal to many.
The Ora seems to have had it's styling aimed more towards the female market.
Dealer confirmed in Melb the MG is 53k drive away. Way too pricey for a Chinese version but appears to be a fantastic vehicle. Have a model 3 long and have a Y long on the way. Was considering downsizing the 3 to the MG but not sure it’s worth it. I’d still opt for the 3 RWD over the MG starting at 66k drive away, only 12k difference which is worth it IMO.
Hi Sam, can you do a MG4 vs BYD Atto 3 they seem to be a similar price here in Queensland Aus. Thanks
I just want to take the Good Cat home, with its lovely round eyes. Can't bear that slanty cross-eyed look on headlights.
I like the look of the ORA but the MG is better for everything else.
How many cameras with what resolution and what processing power? I take the NIO ET7 as the reference. Processing power: 1016 TFLOPS,
Just poor quality interior in mg . Cheap hard plastics , they even forgot basics like rear interior lights, no cup holders , only 1 usb in rear and no rear camera where Ora has 360 camera
@@wcrash9361 Sounds like a Ford. 😁
@@wcrash9361 I think they actually forgot to put a rear wiper on both these cars. Weird. Why would you forget that?
There is no rear wiper on the Hyundai Ioniq 5 or Tesla M3 either. It’s like everyone forgot that we have something called “rain” in the UK.
The Good Cat looks like a fun car. Like the original mini minor. But I would not want to pay more than $20K for it. The MG4 looks good and I would move from my MG ZS Mk 1 into an MG4 but only when the price of EVs drops, which it will.
The MG for me 👌👍
Before buying a MG4 please try to brake from 50mph to 0... I don't find the braking power sufficient
Here in the UK the MG4 is much cheaper than the Ora Cat. Doesn't seem much of a contest.
MG 4 for me
MG Australia called me last Tuesday about the deposit I put down for an MG4, Viking saying $47,990, aaahhh no more like $51,000, waiting for the base model price to see what that comes in at, if its not around the $43 K mark no go, otherwise I am going for the BYD Dolphin, should be priced much better
The Ora video you have in the "background" is extremely hectic... Extremely...
I watch your video on the phone, so I turned it away to save me from that ;-)
I often watch YT videos on the phone, so I am not bound to the computer and can move around, but it is very rare that I move the screen away... I would stop the video if I don't like it, but turning the screen away and continue to listen is a reare thing for me ;-)
By the way, I like the shape of the Ora good cat, but not the hectic video and not some data - I think the trunk is also a bit small.
Unfortunately here in NZ MG and Ora and BYD are price gauging via legacy dealerships. Only Tesla remains equal in dollar terms with Oz with current exchange rate. Disappointed.
MG4
For most people a Wuling Bin Guo would be enough. Chinese are more clever and buy the Wuling miniEV.
Because: westerners always make false assumptions... especially regarding range: if you work you maybe make 20 kilometers to your work...where you can charge...and back 20 kilometers. Hell - let's say you need 50 kilometers to work and 50 kilometers back...standard mini EV has a range if 120 km, extended version 170 km.
Even with such a miniEV range is not an issue.
Good content, more like this will attract more viewers…
I kid you not: take a look at the Ora Lightning Cat, aka "Next Cat". It's sleek as fuck!
If Australia is only getting the 64kwh MG4 isnt that the less reliable nickel/cobalt battery? lithium ion phosphate from base model overseas has double charging cycles and apparently very little negative effect using DC fast chargers / charging to 100%. Props to the amount of videos your pumping out!
You are correct. Australia is always a dump market place because we are so far behind. Not a good Idea to be an early adopter here. Lithium nickel/cobalt battery in Australia would probably mean they will be switching to the other LFP type latter. Better to wait.
AU will have the LFP 51kwh version bro
Get the BYD Atto 3 with the big battery instead, price is not that much more, you get a bigger car, same power (as MG4), and a much better battery.
Lol much better battery! Let's see LFP poor cold winter performance, much slower charging max 88kw vs 140kw on the MG4. So-called longer life on the LFP becomes pointless as the MG battery will outlast the car! Poor memory on the LFP so always shows the same range every time you charge the car. Many are claiming the Blade battery are safer, yet some blade batteries in China have caught fire while charging! While the numbers are low the Blade battery does still burn! Yes the LFP can be charged to 100% but that is only useful around town as no one of any battery chemistry wants to charge to 100% on a trip due to the painfully slow 80-100%
@@gregb1599 cold weather is not an issue in Australia. I drive an MGZS EV and i can tell you that the BOM is not accurate and i rarely see over 205kms indicated range when fully charged ( 263Km is suppose to be range when new), and my car is only 2 yealrs old. Not all NMC batteries are created equal, if you are talking Tesla then i would agree regarding longevity of cells. I await delivery of a M3LR to replace the MG at the end of the month. I rarely use fast charging as I have a 7kw charger at home, my house has 10KW of solar panels and 14Kw of storage batteries (LFP). over 90% of my charging is from solar and storage which keeps the cost minimal.
If people are worried about how slow a car is to chargge when doing long trips then maybe they should fly instead.
i was only suggesting the comparison between the MG4 and the Atto3 as value proposition.
@marcel arias Yes silly me there are no ski fields in Australia, oh wait yes there are so yes some parts of Australia get very cold!
Every time I read of a super low cost car in China and then read the cost of the same car in a Country like Australia I do do basic exchange rate calculations in head and try to figure out if everyone outside China is being ripped off.
I choose the Nio ET7. According to Nvidia autonomous driving level 4 needs 400 TFLOPS. Nio has the 1016 TFLOPS processing unit ADA-M.
Also: NIO's line of sight are 687m (Tesla: 229m); Tesla detects a person up to 74 m away - NIO detects a person up to 223 m away.
MG4 and GWM Ora Cat? Have to read up about their sensors and processing units.
It's a no brainer Nio is miles ahead of Tesla that's why it recieved 3 accolades in 3 out of 4 countries it has launched in Europe. Their volume brand Project firefly will most likely compete with Tesla
Ora Cat have set their base price at $43k is just to take the crown of Australia's cheapest EV. The fact is, they need to be hitting the 39k number if they want their sales to explode.
MG4 versus any VW, no contest....
MG4 and good Cat are Overpriced and BYD acts like a cash strapped company in Australia so the BYD Dolphin will be close to their price. Have you seen Toyota's Australian Ads claiming Toyota has a 35 year history with EV's and makes it look like its going to flood the market with EV's.
did you really want to recommend the extended range MG4 as its not LFP then... so you can't fully charge it as much as LFP unless you want to degrade it faster. LFPs last longer, can be charged to 100% so u get similar range especially in future years as it degrades slower than other battery.
Ora Good Cat is safer in an accident also seems better equipped to avoid the accident in the first place, going by the numbers on the European crash testing. 64kwh MG4 way faster at charging around 140kw charging speed, MG4 V2L, much bigger boot on the MG. And both the same cost.
Damn I was hoping the current MG4 variant we’re getting would have a LFP battery but guess we’re not there yet… the base model doesn’t have enough range for me ☹️
Check out Stuart Thomas RUclips channel fo eexcellent real world driving and charging reviews of MG4 stabdard range. I’d prefer LFP chemistry, and Stuart has me convinced that the standard range LFP is the way to go.
And I am the opposite, I prefer the non LFP battery as in cooler climates, the LFP suffers! It's also much slower charging, poor range calculation which is why they always show the same range everytime you charge the car. Also so many claim the LFP will last longer which is true, but I have probably the worst battery ever for an EV it's a 2014 Nissan Leaf or 9 years old and it's battery is still going strong. So, in the real world, the non LFP battery is still going to out last the car! Safety? It's not a big difference. So far, only 1 Nissan Leaf has ever caught fire, and its cause was never known. So the only positive I can see is cost. They are cheaper to make and do not have cobalt, but everything else in the car has been made using cobalt!
@@gregb1599 well i never do long trips in the winter, so LFP makes perfect sense to me
@vgbyte And that is a good reason to get that model, but stop bashing other battery chemistries as some people do not want to spend 40 min to charge to 80%. Also the reason the 64kwh battery is not LFP is because energy density is poor so they just cannot fit! Then many use the stupid augument that the LFP can be charged to 100% but what is 80% of the 64kwh battery? 51kwh so if someone owns a 64kwh and chargers to 80% then it's the same capacity. However on a long road trip no one will want to charge to 100% as the time from 80%-100% is painfully slow so if both charge to 80% then the non LFP wins
@@gregb1599 yes well, good point about charging to 80%, never thought about it that way. Might even consider the longer range version now...depends on whether we get any incentives here
The MG4 looks to be one of the best value for money electric cars in the car markets of several European countries! Unfortunately, it is not available in all European countries; and it is not yet able to "kill" badly overpriced VW ID.3 sales. However, I have mixed feelings about the success of MG4. If we remember what a repressive and anti-democratic regime China is!
I am looking forward to Tesla finally making good on their promises and bringing an affordable compact electric car to European market...There is very little chance of expecting something affordable from European legacy automakers...
I haven't seen any positive reviews for the Ora. None have had anything bad to say about it, but they're all pretty much "meh" it's not as good as other EVs, such as the MG4.
Just read the MG 4 in NZ will start at NZ$54,990, way too high for the average Joe. For some reason (greed?) any big ticket item tends to suffer from a multiplier effect on the price when they enter NZ. The cynic in me thinks the dealer may have added the clean car rebate of $8625 to the selling price. Will pass on this one.
MG Australia called me last Tuesday about the deposit I put down for an MG4, Viking saying $47,990, aaahhh no more like $51,000, waiting for the base model price otherwise I am going the BYD Dolphin, should be priced much better
@@jarrettstock9082 Sad to say I am not optimistic that the BYD Dolphin will be much cheaper than the MG 4. Due to the lack of hatchback models coming in and therefore competition the distributors will be price gouging. Until Tesla comes out with the Model 2, I think NZ distributors will continue to screw us on on supposedly cheap Chinese made EVs. There is a conundrum though, can I afford to wait till then and run the risk that the clean car rebate will be discontinued?
Do disappointed with MG's offering. I wanted the base version for the price and LFP battery. Now I'm considering Tesla. Ugggh...
Dolphin not going to cost anywhere close to $31k AUD. Not when you've got EVDirect and MyCar making sure their execs make a bucket load off this.
is it possible to have a frame that lasts longer than 2 seconds,,it terrible to watch..slow everything down a bit so we can appreciate it..
Are you saying Aussies loves subcompacts ?
Australians didn't care for any car smaller than the BYD Atto 3 or a Teslas 3, Right ?❔️
MG 3 is common in AU
@@zy4174only because it’s the cheapest new car u can buy
@@wcrash9361 It proves that Aussies do care about cars smaller than Atto 3 since the market share is not small
Probably end up getting a mg4 out of all those tbh, not a fan of the good cat
If EV servicing is going to cost that little in the USA we will have many dealerships eventually going under. 😢
and thats a great thing, nobody in their right mind ever wanted to go to a stealership. its worse than the dentist.
In UK MG4 by a mile - Ora Cat is £23k which is about ($40k) - completely ridiculous and no chance of selling many at that price.
Wait for BYD Seagull, less than 10k USD.
Nope in China it's $11,600-14,000 us now for the puny little seagulls ev thing. Ad 25-40% more for anywhere they do export it to. 🙂
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Okay is this the same British MG brand? Were they bought out at some point? Hey, I’m an American. What do I know! 😂😂😂
Mg collapsed decades ago , saic motors owned by the Chinese communist party bought the rights to the MG name
Yes,same brand. Purchased by GWM Great Wall Motors. It's still hard to get my head around seeing MG SUVs and not lively little open top roadsters!😊
Just the brand, yes. Nothing to do with the famous cars of the past.
Comparable to Philips/Magnavox TVs (are they still sold in the US?). Those TVs have nothing to do with the original maker of consumer electronics and healthcare products anymore. The brand label was sold to a Chinese manufacturer over a decade ago.
MG is not owned by GWM, it is SAIC.
@@xxGonzo69xx Yes indeed you are correct.
dont buy either these are complete junk. you will regret ever having either of them. Worst QC ever. you get what you pay for.
How can you say that when you haven’t seen them yet ? Is that just your anti China rhetoric ?
You know nothing about Chinese cars and cars in general it would seem by your embarrassing comment😄 I bet you drive a ICE car.