It is amazing how similar this is to leash training a dog. A dog that pulls thinks he knows where he is going. By constantly switching directions, eventually the dog will give up the lead because he is confused. Great video
Thank you for your training videos. I have dairy goats and have searched far and wide for goat training videos. You have several videos I've found helpful that will apply with my herd and not just the pack variety. This one and flipping are particularly useful. Establishing yourself as goat herd is important and it's not discussed often enough.
I bit off topic, but I saw one of your video about flipping a goat. I have a wether that challenges me sometimes and can get quite aggressive - so today I just flipped him, it was just like your video and he didn't know what to do! I tried making friends again after but he wasn't in the mood. :)
Thank you! I have walked hundreds of dogs but I am very interested in adding goats to my repertoire. I hope to become a forest guide with goat, dog ,cat...in the Allegheny National forest. This year, I'm on a quest for education. Thanks
We now have a baby alpine male goat. He is cute and we are starting training. My goal is to have a pack animal services with mules, goats, and dogs. Thank you for the training videos.
The thing about holding just the collar is a dog "thing" too. They simply don't like the feel of being throttled, I think. Once you are a step or two away they get used to the feel, because they don't associate it with you as much.
Horses don’t like being led with a hand on the halter. Most will get the memo but we actually consider it as being disrespectful to the animal. As grabbing them by the halter is like someone grabbing you by the collar of your shirt and dragging you a long- it’s rude behavior essentially. I apply the same concept to my goats. Plus, you have little leverage if you attach your hand to their collar. If the goat is short then you would have to bend over- losing even more leverage due to loss of balance. We have an Alpine who leads decent but on her way back to the paddock, she would get excited and try to run back. With my 14 ft lead I would stop and allow her to go forward but dig the side of my foot into the ground and lean back. It would whip her back around once she hit the end of her lead. They sorta clothesline themselves and it certainly work quick.
This is very reminiscent of old way to train a horse. I wonder how long before we get natural goatsmanship? Good information I had never know this and is been couple of years keeping goats. I pretty much just chase them around
One, I love your channel! My boyfriend and I have been looking into pack goats and have found your videos super helpful! We are also looking into having dairy goats as well, and lots of people recommend disbudding those goats for a variety of reasons. I imagine you don't recommend that for pack goats in order to defend themsevles in the wild--but I was wondering if you ever have issues with horned goats, especially males. Do they ever try to charge you? Have you been injured by a horn? Don't they stink with their glands intact? Do they get their horns stuck in things?
Oh thank you so much for this video. We will be getting four babies as soon they are weaned. What age can we start training? I would n love to start as soon as possible
So I have Nigerian dwarves, and I'm starting to leash train them. Currently I'm having to use a dog harness since my mom refuses to use collars because she says they choke them. Our new wethers are just bigger than a cat and the dog harness does fit, but it will choke them when they jump and pull. The only reason I'm leash training them is to be able to graze out of their pasture and not run out into the neighborhood. I was thinking about halter training them instead but I'd just like some advice from a second pair of eyes. Or advice on what sort of harness to look for since they're tiny, that'll fit a bit better with adjusting.
Thanks for the very useful video! Re leash-use vs hand-on-collar: I had dairy goats in 4-H as a kid. Dairy goats must be disbudded (dehorned) in order to be shown. Walking them with just a collar was easy and required, and utterly NBD... You hold the collar high and tight, and you are easily able to direct and control even a very uncooperative goat. Now I've recently gotten Nigerian Dwarfs that DO have horns-- and I was surprised to find that they definitely dislike being moved around with just a collar! And actually I dislike it as well: there are horns in the way! Leashes are nicer for us both. Looks like horns and hands don't share airspace very well. It makes sense, but I did not expect it, lol. Your video was very helpful.
I have had zero problems with a buck caller only that's are goats are showed we train them from day one just need to be trained to be ok with the caller
What age do you start training them? I have been taking my three week old goats out for a little bit at a time... Any resources on training techniques I’m getting them trail ready would be amazing
They are mostly alpine and alpine crosses but I have all kinds. I'll soon have a directory for folks to buy these same genetics on packgoats.com in the near future.
What about the goat you need to drag, who drops his head, which makes the leash pull over the top of his head, which puts pressure on his windpipe, and he chokes himself out?
Once I get a place of my own I‘m planing on getting myself 2 goats and use them to pack or train them to pull a carriage. What breed are they? They are exactly what I like. Tall, strong goats.
Couldn't you use a thin choke chain for initial training? I used a stud chain on all my horses for teaching them to lunge perfectly. If use use the pressure gently for training it isn't abusive.
New subscriber 😁🐐 But leash training is not easy!!!! I just got two 6month old females and they want NOTHING to do with this. They keep jumping and alligator rolling and doing freaking backflips. Forget the pulling me around they are like gymnasts! How do I get them to stand still??? And by the way grain and treats don't work. HELP!!!!! Do you live in North Carolina??? Please come by and train my girls!
@@PackGoatscom yes bro thx but she made plenty young and was amazingly trained she knew commands to go to her pen and how to walk next to me with out straying far
What about a goat that you have to drag that will just collapse right on its side when it doesn’t want to go? My goat buddy does that whenever he doesn’t want to work he just drops to the ground on his side.
My goats will follow me fine in the pasture but will not Follow me once we leave. They will either not walk or dart for the bushes. They don’t stop eating and have to pull them off, with much struggle. Do you have advice for that. ☺️
Please explain further as my goats are doing the same thing. Does taking them off your property teach them to stay with you. I have to use a leash to keep them with me. Do I take them off leash somewhere else and teach them that way? Thanks for any help. LOVE your videos and help! Learning all I can!
@@PackGoatscom Yes once I had went searching for some new "recruits", aka young does on their first few weeks out with the herd, and they had gotten lost. They followed me like a pack of dogs until they entered known territory. Mind you they are usually as skittish as they come.
Hello I have five goats at home and one dominant male and all my females are pregnant I have one female that does not trust me I was wondering if you had any advice?
No different than teaching a horse to walk at lead. Pull always at angles getting the front feet moving first. They will follow their heads. I do a similar thing with my dogs training them to lead. I want my dogs at heel on a loose lead. If they start getting a head of me I make a 90 degree turn usually to my right since I heel them on my left. The horse training school I went to referred it to “opening and closing gates” If I want the horse to go right I would put pressure on the left side (closing gate) take pressure of the right side (open gate) exaggerate at the beginning, the horse would move right relieve the pressure instantly as a reward. They would eventually learn to go away from pressure. Same with dogs and can see where this could also translate to goats and any animal a person wants to train.
Also, turn away from the animal - that puts them behind you. As your training increases, then teach them to allow you to turn in front of them… “I’ll tie you up!” I always say before they get tied up. After a while, when they hear those words they’ll stop and think about it!
It is amazing how similar this is to leash training a dog. A dog that pulls thinks he knows where he is going. By constantly switching directions, eventually the dog will give up the lead because he is confused. Great video
This is all great advice. Nice to see! The turn is key with goats..Kuddos
Thank you for your training videos. I have dairy goats and have searched far and wide for goat training videos. You have several videos I've found helpful that will apply with my herd and not just the pack variety. This one and flipping are particularly useful. Establishing yourself as goat herd is important and it's not discussed often enough.
D Lynn wow I’m so glad to be helpful. Cheers. Please share.
I bit off topic, but I saw one of your video about flipping a goat. I have a wether that challenges me sometimes and can get quite aggressive - so today I just flipped him, it was just like your video and he didn't know what to do! I tried making friends again after but he wasn't in the mood. :)
Rob Dye I’ll be curious to see if he comes around. Long time offenders can be challenging to correct.
Excellent and applicable tips. Thank you, very relevant.
SLFYSH 👊👍
4:00 I choose to believe that Merciless figured out you were practicing your goat turning, and that you wanted a goat to pull against you.
Wow! Full respect😍
Thank you! I have walked hundreds of dogs but I am very interested in adding goats to my repertoire. I hope to become a forest guide with goat, dog ,cat...in the Allegheny National forest. This year, I'm on a quest for education.
Thanks
I really enjoy the way you teach about GOATS. I have learned a lot from you. I been studying SHeep and Goats both. For scripture based content!
What a beautiful goat!
I can see where this would be very beneficial in training 4H show goats. Thanks. I have dairy goats, and will use this on them as well.
We now have a baby alpine male goat. He is cute and we are starting training. My goal is to have a pack animal services with mules, goats, and dogs. Thank you for the training videos.
I miss working with goats. My family had a herd when I was growing up! :)
Wingedshadowwolf They are a neat critter. I grew up with one too.
Great advice
Great info! Thanks!!
Tim McMaster you bet!!
Thanks, for yr assication & sharing. Very clear .
Rosli Hassan glad you like it. Cheers.
The thing about holding just the collar is a dog "thing" too. They simply don't like the feel of being throttled, I think. Once you are a step or two away they get used to the feel, because they don't associate it with you as much.
Great stuff sir thanks.
anarchist 87 you are very welcome.
Huh. I could see myself doing exactly what you should not do. ....thanks, for the heads up!
Horses don’t like being led with a hand on the halter. Most will get the memo but we actually consider it as being disrespectful to the animal. As grabbing them by the halter is like someone grabbing you by the collar of your shirt and dragging you a long- it’s rude behavior essentially.
I apply the same concept to my goats. Plus, you have little leverage if you attach your hand to their collar. If the goat is short then you would have to bend over- losing even more leverage due to loss of balance. We have an Alpine who leads decent but on her way back to the paddock, she would get excited and try to run back.
With my 14 ft lead I would stop and allow her to go forward but dig the side of my foot into the ground and lean back. It would whip her back around once she hit the end of her lead. They sorta clothesline themselves and it certainly work quick.
I bought this course, but looks like it's free? Anyway, this works!!!
This is very reminiscent of old way to train a horse. I wonder how long before we get natural goatsmanship?
Good information I had never know this and is been couple of years keeping goats. I pretty much just chase them around
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Oh my gosh he's beautiful 😍
Candice Christensen Thorn is amazing. Ober/Alpine cross.
Right, tasty
One, I love your channel! My boyfriend and I have been looking into pack goats and have found your videos super helpful!
We are also looking into having dairy goats as well, and lots of people recommend disbudding those goats for a variety of reasons. I imagine you don't recommend that for pack goats in order to defend themsevles in the wild--but I was wondering if you ever have issues with horned goats, especially males. Do they ever try to charge you? Have you been injured by a horn? Don't they stink with their glands intact? Do they get their horns stuck in things?
Kasey Snow Glad you like the channel. We do like horns. I haven’t found they get stuck or hunt one another any more than hornless.
Oh thank you so much for this video. We will be getting four babies as soon they are weaned. What age can we start training? I would n love to start as soon as possible
So I have Nigerian dwarves, and I'm starting to leash train them. Currently I'm having to use a dog harness since my mom refuses to use collars because she says they choke them. Our new wethers are just bigger than a cat and the dog harness does fit, but it will choke them when they jump and pull. The only reason I'm leash training them is to be able to graze out of their pasture and not run out into the neighborhood. I was thinking about halter training them instead but I'd just like some advice from a second pair of eyes. Or advice on what sort of harness to look for since they're tiny, that'll fit a bit better with adjusting.
Thanks for the very useful video!
Re leash-use vs hand-on-collar:
I had dairy goats in 4-H as a kid. Dairy goats must be disbudded (dehorned) in order to be shown. Walking them with just a collar was easy and required, and utterly NBD... You hold the collar high and tight, and you are easily able to direct and control even a very uncooperative goat.
Now I've recently gotten Nigerian Dwarfs that DO have horns-- and I was surprised to find that they definitely dislike being moved around with just a collar! And actually I dislike it as well: there are horns in the way! Leashes are nicer for us both. Looks like horns and hands don't share airspace very well.
It makes sense, but I did not expect it, lol.
Your video was very helpful.
I have had zero problems with a buck caller only that's are goats are showed we train them from day one just need to be trained to be ok with the caller
They also get dizzy with the turning. My billy would literally lie down!
What age do you start training them? I have been taking my three week old goats out for a little bit at a time... Any resources on training techniques I’m getting them trail ready would be amazing
Dang u wish this video was longer
What about the goats that jump while on a leash ?
What kind of goats do you have? I love your videos
They are mostly alpine and alpine crosses but I have all kinds. I'll soon have a directory for folks to buy these same genetics on packgoats.com in the near future.
What collar and leash you using ?????
how mnay months would it take?
What breed of goat is this because they are beautiful
Can does be used for packers?
Is that a alpine/oberhassli cross? Thorn. Looks like Merciless is all alpine? Sweet horns.
K&L Funds Management Bonds Yes, you are correct on both.
Can this method work on a 7 month old goat. ?
What about the goat you need to drag, who drops his head, which makes the leash pull over the top of his head, which puts pressure on his windpipe, and he chokes himself out?
annealpine Maybe a Harness
Once I get a place of my own I‘m planing on getting myself 2 goats and use them to pack or train them to pull a carriage. What breed are they? They are exactly what I like. Tall, strong goats.
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Couldn't you use a thin choke chain for initial training? I used a stud chain on all my horses for teaching them to lunge perfectly. If use use the pressure gently for training it isn't abusive.
You could for sure, although goats are usually more amicable and don't quite need that much pressure...they respond to just a little as a rule.
New subscriber 😁🐐 But leash training is not easy!!!! I just got two 6month old females and they want NOTHING to do with this. They keep jumping and alligator rolling and doing freaking backflips. Forget the pulling me around they are like gymnasts! How do I get them to stand still??? And by the way grain and treats don't work. HELP!!!!! Do you live in North Carolina??? Please come by and train my girls!
Just stick with it. One at a time. Training sessions. They will learn.
That's the same color as mine which past away due to Pregnancy problems
Craft Sikamiza ツ so sorry to hear
@@PackGoatscom yes bro thx but she made plenty young and was amazingly trained she knew commands to go to her pen and how to walk next to me with out straying far
They're big animals so wouldn't halters be better? They're great on big breed dogs (after they adapt)
downbntout I’ve just never found it necessary.
How much land do you have roughly?
as of right now in July 2021, 1.06 acre for the whole property including house. Goats do not take up much space.
What about a goat that you have to drag that will just collapse right on its side when it doesn’t want to go? My goat buddy does that whenever he doesn’t want to work he just drops to the ground on his side.
I’d coax him up onto his feet and stick with it till you win. You can never loose your cool and you can never let a goat win.
what breed of goats do you have
Sergio sergios alpines and alpine crosses. That goat in the vid is Ober/alpine cross
Will this work with an adult goat that is not lead trained?
Rick’s Aquatics by Rick Ferguson yes. Very much so. Thorn, the goat in the video was trained as an adult. He led like crap when I got him.
Marc knows a lot about goats, maybe now is time he learns about fashion.
😂😂😂. Agreed
Alpha needs no fashion
My goats will follow me fine in the pasture but will not Follow me once we leave. They will either not walk or dart for the bushes. They don’t stop eating and have to pull them off, with much struggle. Do you have advice for that. ☺️
Tevor Hendershot Have you driven them away from your property? If not try that and I things will change drastically.
Please explain further as my goats are doing the same thing. Does taking them off your property teach them to stay with you. I have to use a leash to keep them with me. Do I take them off leash somewhere else and teach them that way? Thanks for any help. LOVE your videos and help! Learning all I can!
Lynn Smallwood Yes, taking them off property will help a lot. They will stick to you like glue.
@@PackGoatscom Yes once I had went searching for some new "recruits", aka young does on their first few weeks out with the herd, and they had gotten lost. They followed me like a pack of dogs until they entered known territory. Mind you they are usually as skittish as they come.
What about a 4 and a 5 month old dwarf goats?
Paige Gifford Same advise. I’d use the same with them.
What breed is that can u plz Tell me
That is an ober/alpine cross
How tall are u?
6’
Their big goats what breed are They?
alpine and alpine crosses
Hello I have five goats at home and one dominant male and all my females are pregnant I have one female that does not trust me I was wondering if you had any advice?
treats and alone time builds trust. I'd sit with her and feed her her favorite food one piece at at time and dole out love
Think you so much😁
@@heads_or_tails6107 Orange peels = good
What breed of goat do you have? How old is Thorn?
Confederatemule He is a alpine ober cross. He is 6.
@@PackGoatscom Is Ober short for Oberhasli? When I do a google search for Ober all I find is Oberhasli.
Confederatemule Yes sorry. That is correct. It’s short for Oberhasli.
What kind of goat is that?
Alpine ober cross
No different than teaching a horse to walk at lead. Pull always at angles getting the front feet moving first. They will follow their heads.
I do a similar thing with my dogs training them to lead. I want my dogs at heel on a loose lead. If they start getting a head of me I make a 90 degree turn usually to my right since I heel them on my left.
The horse training school I went to referred it to “opening and closing gates”
If I want the horse to go right I would put pressure on the left side (closing gate) take pressure of the right side (open gate) exaggerate at the beginning, the horse would move right relieve the pressure instantly as a reward. They would eventually learn to go away from pressure.
Same with dogs and can see where this could also translate to goats and any animal a person wants to train.
#1 tip: start extremely young.
Also, turn away from the animal - that puts them behind you. As your training increases, then teach them to allow you to turn in front of them… “I’ll tie you up!” I always say before they get tied up. After a while, when they hear those words they’ll stop and think about it!
No need to beat them? I saw tamers beat animals like drums
Why
Have you ever used Nubians?
Confederatemule yes I have but in general that is a risky breed cause of their tendency to be loud and lazy.