Hi Jason, great to see your video and a mention of my Grandfather George Bazley. He Wrestled Yukio Tani at the London Palladium along with the other "Clay Boys" in 1926. I am half Cornish and half Devonian so really glad to see that there might be a revival in Devonshire Wrestling also!
Good video. As a judo guy and Cornishman I've looked into these folk styles, many of which have their routes in Celtic times. It's interesting to note that Ireland also has a "Collar and Elbow" jacket wrestling form, mostly in the South. Brittany too has a version, "Goren", also a jacket form. My grandfather, before his passing, told me that members of my family wrestled in the early 20th century and tournaments were held in Ireland and Brittany as well as SW England. Makes sense considering the shared Celtic roots of these areas and the shipping routes.
Think it’s quite sad that all of these wrestling styles have been majorly forgotten over time. Considering how much other nations have embraced the their national martial arts and wrestling styles. Catch wrestling specifically as it has transitioned well into mma Josh Barnett and Kazushi Sakuraba have both being the prime examples. Brilliant video.
Cumbrian wrestling is very much still alive my family have a long history of winning many championships and recently me and my brother are getting back into with events held most weeks it’s very good to get into great to learn and gets u driven into not only a winning and open mentality but also opens u into other combat sports ei bjj or sambo wrestling it is a good sport to start with to learn as it will get u into a mindset of being attentive to coaching and improvement and there is always something to improve
There is a Uist form of wrestling in Scotland too..Hard to find info though. Donald Dinnie (famous highland games stringman)also promoted a submission style of grappling in his era.Side note-Shouldn't shin kicking be with hobnail boots😬
❤Thanks ! I love to wrestle . I was good at it ! I would join a Wrestling Club perhaps. If, I can find the time and Energy. I have lived in Devon most of my life. I attended. Escrima Kickboxing Club in 1995. Totnes WuShu Club in 1997 , I think it was . And The University of Plymouth. Thai Boxing Club and The Ju Jitsu clubs very briefly. This was in around 2002. In about 2011. I was an Olympic Hopeful , and a friend of mine and my dad encouraged me, to try Boxing. Which, I did at Devonport Police Amateur Boxing Association Club . As a youth. I did Mud Wrestling with my friends. My dad was into Swedish Leg Wrestling ! A goid friend of mine learned to Play Fight very well. Possibly in Borneo, and I used to get angry with him and attack him while he lay on his back on the ground. He would giggle, and use Up Kicks, in a most frustrating way ! I tried to promote myself as a Kickboxer in around 1995 , which did not go very well. As, we were so disorganized ! The Devon Wrestling Alliance , I think still exists. British Wrestling shows were taking place in Plymouth and Torquay. With stars like , The UK Dominator and John Harding . My friend performed a Kickboxing act. He helped establish The Taurus Gym , here in Plymouth along with Seb Remmer . His name was Paul Rimmer. He shares his name, with a Liverpool based Trainer I think. But he is not The Paul Rimmer linked to Paddy The Baddy . A quick Google search of Plymouth in Devon reveals loads of Martial Arts Clubs. Chinese , Japanese. Even Filipino martial arts . Thai Boxing and Brazilian Ju Jitsu are in fashion currently. I did not check out the traditional Devon Wrestling club just yet. But, tried to attend DWA events and one training session. Devonport Amateur Boxing Association Club. I found to be very affordable financially. And, never had to do much proper sparring until I got kicked out for being old, and rather unwilling to Box . I could get into Folk Wrestling actually. Thanks ! In school we only had one Wrestling session. The Teacher thought that loosing at Wrestling completely destroyed kids confidence so. We only had one session. Probably a goid idea. As, I submitted to a kid, who attacked me from behind and punched me in both kidneys, I think !!😂😅 He could have paralysed me, from the waist down if those punches were a little off target ! By striking me, on the spine .😮Santino Marella, not Tito Santana .
@@martialartsaddict9966sure. There were no submissions at all in traditional catch wrestling. Arm locls did not make its way i to judo via catch, it was the other way round. Many people have either lied or spread false info out of ignorance about cstch or getting it confused with All-in wrestling (which was basically catch wrestling and judo submissions) and calling that particular style catch wrestling.
@@peterheyes8552 Ah, I see. It's actually interesting though. I'd never heard the term 'All-in wrestling' until you mentioned it. So, the original catch wrestling didn't have submissions, until Judo came on the scene. Thanks for that explanation!🙏🏾
Yes, thats correct. All the old books say catch was only won via pin. My friend at lancashire catch is going to make a documentary about it, he said in his group.
That's possible. I wouldn't argue with that. However, Jigoro Kano stated in an interview in the 1920s that he had developed Kata Guruma to overcome a trainee from the Fukuda dojo, called Fukushima. Kano said that he couldn't unbalance Fukushima because he was so strong. He then found a Fireman Carry technique from a book on Western style Wrestling. This was the only technique that he believed would work and, after some practice, he was able to throw Fukushima. Kano called the technique Kata Guruma. So, Western wrestling had some influence on Judo.
Catch as catch can wrestlers took a heck of a lot of submissions from judo. Yes, fireman and maybe suplex was taken from wrestling and added to judo, but catch wrestlers took way more and added it to their game.
Nonsense arm locks were used in Pankration in ancient Greece there are vases with wrestlers performing arm bars 1000s of years ago. There are Cambodian carvings of Khmer warriors doing arm bars in 800ad Judo is less than 150 years old.
@@peterheyes8552 That is incorrect, both styles and their practicioner developed similar techniques during same time without even knowing others art. Bjj was created by Gracies learning Judo Ne-waza and Catch wrestling from Mitsuyo Maeda who was Catch wrestler and Judoka So acctually Bjj borrowed all techniques from Catch and Judo.
@@FRforcing did you learn that from the internet? That is 100% FALSE. I live in Lancashire, Wigan. I am 72 years old. I know all the old lads from Riley's gym. Don't speak on things you have no idea about and do not believe everything you read on the internet, or what some guys in America who believe what they have been told by liars. Bjj stole everything from everyone, we all know that as a fact. Catch wrestles lesrned a heck a lot of submissions from judokas and briught that in to modern catch wrestling. When I was young, the submission wrestling wasn't called catch wrestling, it was called All-in wrestling which was Greco Roman, catch and Judo blended together . Get the lies that has been told out of your head. You wasn't around long enough, nor are you from Wigan and wrestled with the greats to know the truth for yourself.
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Hi Jason, great to see your video and a mention of my Grandfather George Bazley. He Wrestled Yukio Tani at the London Palladium along with the other "Clay Boys" in 1926. I am half Cornish and half Devonian so really glad to see that there might be a revival in Devonshire Wrestling also!
So great to see this comment! What an awesome connection to this history!
I can confirm a revival of Devonshire wrestling as I am training in it, we started back in February going well so far 👍
@@mattbailey3376 WHERE?? I'd love to visit
@@andrewtregoning we are in Plymouth and train on Wednesday evenings called Devon celtic combat
Good video. As a judo guy and Cornishman I've looked into these folk styles, many of which have their routes in Celtic times. It's interesting to note that Ireland also has a "Collar and Elbow" jacket wrestling form, mostly in the South. Brittany too has a version, "Goren", also a jacket form. My grandfather, before his passing, told me that members of my family wrestled in the early 20th century and tournaments were held in Ireland and Brittany as well as SW England. Makes sense considering the shared Celtic roots of these areas and the shipping routes.
Think it’s quite sad that all of these wrestling styles have been majorly forgotten over time. Considering how much other nations have embraced the their national martial arts and wrestling styles. Catch wrestling specifically as it has transitioned well into mma Josh Barnett and Kazushi Sakuraba have both being the prime examples. Brilliant video.
Cumbrian wrestling is very much still alive my family have a long history of winning many championships and recently me and my brother are getting back into with events held most weeks it’s very good to get into great to learn and gets u driven into not only a winning and open mentality but also opens u into other combat sports ei bjj or sambo wrestling it is a good sport to start with to learn as it will get u into a mindset of being attentive to coaching and improvement and there is always something to improve
Awesome video. I'm a BJJ blue belt and find ancient folk wrestling very interesting. Worlds oldest sport.
Nice one!!!
Nice! I train BJJ - I've had a go at Backhold and it is fun! I've been taught one or two catch wrestling submissions as well - nasty!
Diamond of a video this mate 👍
A fantastic video. Thank you.
Very interesting video - had never really seen Devonshire or Cornish wrestling before. Great delivery and super research 👌too.
Great vid glad I found your channel
There is a Uist form of wrestling in Scotland too..Hard to find info though. Donald Dinnie (famous highland games stringman)also promoted a submission style of grappling in his era.Side note-Shouldn't shin kicking be with hobnail boots😬
❤Thanks ! I love to wrestle . I was good at it ! I would join a Wrestling Club perhaps. If, I can find the time and Energy.
I have lived in Devon most of my life.
I attended. Escrima Kickboxing Club in 1995. Totnes WuShu Club in 1997 , I think it was . And The University of Plymouth. Thai Boxing Club and The Ju Jitsu clubs very briefly. This was in around 2002.
In about 2011. I was an Olympic Hopeful , and a friend of mine and my dad encouraged me, to try Boxing. Which, I did at Devonport Police Amateur Boxing Association Club .
As a youth. I did Mud Wrestling with my friends.
My dad was into Swedish Leg Wrestling !
A goid friend of mine learned to Play Fight very well. Possibly in Borneo, and I used to get angry with him and attack him while he lay on his back on the ground. He would giggle, and use Up Kicks, in a most frustrating way !
I tried to promote myself as a Kickboxer in around 1995 , which did not go very well. As, we were so disorganized !
The Devon Wrestling Alliance , I think still exists.
British Wrestling shows were taking place in Plymouth and Torquay.
With stars like , The UK Dominator and John Harding .
My friend performed a Kickboxing act. He helped establish The Taurus Gym , here in Plymouth along with Seb Remmer . His name was Paul Rimmer. He shares his name, with a Liverpool based Trainer I think.
But he is not The Paul Rimmer linked to Paddy The Baddy .
A quick Google search of Plymouth in Devon reveals loads of Martial Arts Clubs. Chinese , Japanese. Even Filipino martial arts . Thai Boxing and Brazilian Ju Jitsu are in fashion currently.
I did not check out the traditional Devon Wrestling club just yet. But, tried to attend DWA events and one training session.
Devonport Amateur Boxing Association Club. I found to be very affordable financially. And, never had to do much proper sparring until I got kicked out for being old, and rather unwilling to Box .
I could get into Folk Wrestling actually. Thanks !
In school we only had one Wrestling session. The Teacher thought that loosing at Wrestling completely destroyed kids confidence so. We only had one session.
Probably a goid idea. As, I submitted to a kid, who attacked me from behind and punched me in both kidneys, I think !!😂😅 He could have paralysed me, from the waist down if those punches were a little off target ! By striking me, on the spine .😮Santino Marella, not Tito Santana .
Would love to see a video comparing Catch Wrestling with BJJ in more depth.
Devon wrestling does seem very similar to shin kicking/purrin.
This is a great video but some of the information you gave on lancashire catch wrestling is not correct.
I'd be grateful if you could help me with that!
@@martialartsaddict9966sure. There were no submissions at all in traditional catch wrestling. Arm locls did not make its way i to judo via catch, it was the other way round.
Many people have either lied or spread false info out of ignorance about cstch or getting it confused with All-in wrestling (which was basically catch wrestling and judo submissions) and calling that particular style catch wrestling.
@@peterheyes8552 Ah, I see. It's actually interesting though. I'd never heard the term 'All-in wrestling' until you mentioned it. So, the original catch wrestling didn't have submissions, until Judo came on the scene. Thanks for that explanation!🙏🏾
Yes, thats correct. All the old books say catch was only won via pin. My friend at lancashire catch is going to make a documentary about it, he said in his group.
@@peterheyes8552 Nice one!
The armbar appeared in judo first, the double wrist lock was most likely formed independently in both places.
100% agree wih you
Lancashire wrestling borrowed armlocks from Judo .
That's possible. I wouldn't argue with that. However, Jigoro Kano stated in an interview in the 1920s that he had developed Kata Guruma to overcome a trainee from the Fukuda dojo, called Fukushima. Kano said that he couldn't unbalance Fukushima because he was so strong. He then found a Fireman Carry technique from a book on Western style Wrestling. This was the only technique that he believed would work and, after some practice, he was able to throw Fukushima. Kano called the technique Kata Guruma. So, Western wrestling had some influence on Judo.
Catch as catch can wrestlers took a heck of a lot of submissions from judo. Yes, fireman and maybe suplex was taken from wrestling and added to judo, but catch wrestlers took way more and added it to their game.
Nonsense arm locks were used in Pankration in ancient Greece there are vases with wrestlers performing arm bars 1000s of years ago. There are Cambodian carvings of Khmer warriors doing arm bars in 800ad Judo is less than 150 years old.
@@peterheyes8552 That is incorrect, both styles and their practicioner developed similar techniques during same time without even knowing others art.
Bjj was created by Gracies learning Judo Ne-waza and Catch wrestling from Mitsuyo Maeda who was Catch wrestler and Judoka
So acctually Bjj borrowed all techniques from Catch and Judo.
@@FRforcing did you learn that from the internet? That is 100% FALSE. I live in Lancashire, Wigan. I am 72 years old. I know all the old lads from Riley's gym. Don't speak on things you have no idea about and do not believe everything you read on the internet, or what some guys in America who believe what they have been told by liars.
Bjj stole everything from everyone, we all know that as a fact. Catch wrestles lesrned a heck a lot of submissions from judokas and briught that in to modern catch wrestling. When I was young, the submission wrestling wasn't called catch wrestling, it was called All-in wrestling which was Greco Roman, catch and Judo blended together . Get the lies that has been told out of your head. You wasn't around long enough, nor are you from Wigan and wrestled with the greats to know the truth for yourself.