NEW Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro | Should BMW Be Worried?? 🤔
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Triumph have thrown everything at the new Tiger 1200 to beat the class leading GS but have they done enough? I take the GT Pro version down to Arundel castle to see how she handles. Yes Castle!!
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I reviewed this bike over the weekend, and it was amazingly good. I got home and pulled up the base map in TuneECU, and you would not believe how restricted it is from the factory. The tune and ignition tables are good, but the ride by wire stuff is crazy restricted.
In sport mode, you can twist the throttle all you want. It will never deliver more than 64% throttle opening, and it only gets to that paltry amount, near redline...
15 minutes for an ECU flash to unlock Sport mode and that bike will be so much more powerful.
Do you think the shaft drive will handle it?
@@joshtacker9531 Absolutely. I wouldn't worry about snapping the driveshaft unless you put a turbo on it. lol
Two of my favorite bike reviewers. They give different points of view of the same bike. TMF and LCR. Thank you both.
TMF lost the plot mate
Thanks Carlo 👍
There is no comparison. Chopsie gives a FAR better perspective for experienced riders who like to use a bike for its intended purpose. TMF presents well, but most of his reviews are naff, frankly. A Gold Wing? Really...? 🙂
@@troppo4872 yeah all the gear no idea
Currently got Tiger 800 Xrx and this one is my next target. Great review man. Thanks
Chops, other RUclipsrs, must be jealous. You set the bar so high! Phenomenal edit and footage, audio and visuals are always perfect 👌🏻 Great Bike and well reviewed👍🏻 Plus a TMF and knock off Mavis appearance. LOL 😂 This episode had it all! BTW. Would enjoy a Greg, and his Gixxer update, would be a great video update. If you both get a chance in the coming weeks. #TeamLCR
Haha thanks Mike 👍👍 yes Greg's been super busy (as have I) I'm trying to organise a comparison review and also the GSXR ride out together. Hopefully we will sort it in the coming weeks 👍
I work at a Triumph Dealership. Took our floor demo bike of this exact model home last week. What an amazing bike. The airbox intake roar on that bike is intoxicating!!
Should a centre stand really be an option? Come on Triumph!
Triumph see what ktm do with options
Triumph likes optional extra money.
Triumph is a mercenary accessories company that specs it’s bikes accordingly, not unlike BMW and KTM.
Not an extra on the PRO
I can pretend to ride better with a center stand.
Why do you need center stand on a motorcycle with shaftdrive?
Thanks Chopsy for yet again another fantastic review. I just love these country side views there.. 👊👍
Great, informative review as usual. It’s easy for short people to ride bikes like this, riding isn’t the problem. Even getting on and off is easy, just use the pegs. No, the problem comes when stopping and setting off, especially when there’s a slope or if there’s loose gravel. That’s when the difficulty starts and dropping the bike, sooner or later, will happen.
Great comfort - I have done 1800 miles in the last 2 weeks on my GT Explorer, including London-Inverness. Over 300 miles to the tank, and no need to stop due to ass-pain.
Great to know, as I'm no spring chicken, comfort is important (Though I've done some 700 km on my beloved Street Twin…)
There is some Serious Beef between TMF and Chops 🤣🤣. Love the Banter, I love you both.
Haha all banter 😆 👍
@@LambChopRides I love how you and TMF included each other on the 1200 Tiger videos, funny stuff!
As the only serious shaft drive alternative in this category (and no, I'm not including the big Yam) and if the shaft design doesn't require the maintenance of that of the GS, I think Triumph are onto a winner. Am I right in saying the GS doesn't offer a 21" front wheel option?
Really interesting camera placements; would be nice to ditch the wide angle setting though.
Great review again Chops, it’s a shame there’s no sport version though. Nice to see your fingers survived when you launched into the cake 👍
Good job Triumph , I would never abuse a engine like you did at low speed , it’s a big bike for a adventure model
Good to see Arundel Castle. Remember driving round and round looking for a parking space! Beautiful city and castle. Got good fish and chips across the bridge.
Great review as always, I must admit that camera angle from behind with the insta360 was brilliant 🙌🏻
Great Vid as usual Chops Love the new shots from back
Yes come out well didn't they, shame I took it down! 👍👍
That camera on a pogo stick behind you is a wicked angle especially for the exhaust noise 👌
Love the interaction with tmf 😆
I have the 2017 1200 XRX - next one will be the new version - just love that triple!
What the heck is that invisible selfi stick? Does it work by actual magic? That's unreal!
Nice review Chops. Seems like an excellent all-rounder. Looking forward to the 44th vid too. I hope those nasty boys didn't bully you lol.
You can easily display the range to empty on the screen. I do its all the time. Once you get to know the screen options avaialable you would like it more.
Big heavy bike (including clutch). Vibes are noticeable but the marmite engine (t-plane crank) is the main problem depending on preferences. Performance and road holding are excellent, comfort is good, electronic extras are great and the bike has serious road presence. There is a lot to like. Less so if if you are used to riding the more traditional smooth throughout the range triumph triples. For me the t-plane sounds like a tractor and as this is supposed to be a bike that doesn't seem right.
Absolutely spot on.
Had a test drive this weekend and in every other aspect it is a wonderfully motorcycle, but they made a big mistake with the agricultural engine.
Lots and lots of rattles and very buzzy in the 3K-5K range.
Drove back after 20 minutes due to this.
I love Arundel too Chopsie. If you stay a weekend you find the pubs are frequented by poets and historians etc. not the usual 'Who do you support mate'. very interesting locals. However I must draw your attention to Pevensey castle near Eastbourne that has roman bases upto 4 or 5 feet high and is Roman originally from 290AD. The Triumph is a nice looking bike.
Great review. You would get use to it over time setting up the screen and the menu. It's a bit like getting a new phone. I like the sound of the bike. And like you said you wouldn't need any more power. Triumph are making some really great bikes throughout their range.
Bloody amazing that invisible selfie stick thingy.
I don't really understand adventure style bikes that you don't take off-road. They just end up being taller and compromised. Much prefer sports tourers like SD GT, Suzuki GT, Kawasaki SX etc
it's the comfort... they are just soo, soooo comfortable.
@@caspianprince Many (older) riders enjoy the relaxed knee angle afforded by taller bikes.
@@keyboarddancers7751 and plush seats and soft long travel suspension... not many roads around today that I could describe as "smooth". And there's also a certain feeling of control that you get with the riding position on upright bikes that isn't quite the same on sports tourers.
You can view range to empty and trip mileage etc. Just split the screen via the home button on the right switchcube. Choose between trip or fuel mileage. If you switch the bike off....just press the home button once more when restarted and your set screen setting will pop up once again.
Yes but messing about in the menus to find it
I want trip, average fuel economy, autonomy and tire pressure. I want a fully customisable dashboard, at least what Ducati or Yamaha offer
Have a great time at the FOS this weekend Chopsy, I look forward to seeing the videos.
Great work with this video Chopsy 👍
Sat in a hotel room in Stockport this evening and I've really enjoyed watching this (rather missing my bike while away for training). Honest as ever with the review and some wonderful LCR humour and wit in there. 27 minutes well spent there in watching it 😏
Thanks Damien 👍
What training is the bike getting? 🤔😄
cool castle. I lived in England from 1967-1970. I loved going to the castles, palaces
Good review. Better than that Missenden Flyer who can’t be bothered to learn the bike and read the manual. He then complains when he doesn’t like how the bike rides, even though he could have changed the bike if he RTFM. Lol. 😂
Missenden flyer is an absolute tool. I stopped following him years ago. He adds nothing..
LCR. Loved all the camera angles, very professional. The bike,not for me. i"d need a ladder to get on the thing.
Biggest fan Powamoto says awesome review vid Mate 👏👌👍
Excellent as always. Enjoyed the high rear footage & TMF sparring.
the insta 360 on a long stalk makes it look like a bike video game. Awesome !
nice video chopsy and some great camera footage looks like you enjoyed the ride out and the bike .
The base GT comes with electronic suspension as well!
LCR what can I say?? A cameo from TMF and a very impressive impression of Marcel Marceau while moving the 360 😁 LCR on an adventure bike! Whatever next? Brilliant as always! 🏍💨
Thanks Murt appreciated buddy 👍 😁
The invisible selfie stick was a nice touch 👍
Yet another decent review Chops, like you, that dash is a bit of a pain in the rear. Totally agree with the lack of info displayed!
As for the rear view from the 360’, made me feel sick from that high up angle🤢😂…
Love the Old World England.Triumph are building good machines these days,thks.
I thought there was an option to have info at the right hand side of the rev counter display? IIRC the option you had the display in was with the additional info turned off? I DO still wish Triumph would look into making a proper means of accessing the TFT info/settings ala jog dial that BMW have. Their system is still the best on a bike.
That info you say isn’t on the screen is because you haven’t set it up to show it. I discovered the same on my 900 GT Pro and now I have all the info I want for daily riding on screen.
Great bike. Heaps of grunt. Handles well, but that screen?? Yeah agree Chopsy.. The basic info, should be there all the time. And YES, i do own one..
The look that guy gave you during the suspension modes evaluation via the Chopsy hopsy test...🤣😅
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Haha I know 🤣 👍👍
Great review. Honda Jazz = scourge of the roads!
The Tiger900 is also a comfortable ride, which after Sundays 12-hour ride from Odense in Denmark to the Hook of Holland I can fully vouch for (I have even done a 15-hour Munich to Northamptonshire ride on it.
I was so disappointed to find out that they have increased the ride height, which has made the bike inaccessible for the normal Celt & even Anglo-Saxon 🧐, perhaps it is made for the Dutch marketplace 😂
Ian
In terms of confort, is the 1200 really with the 7000 quids (and 40 kilos) difference ? Thanks uin advance mate !
@@pateris i have not ridden the 1200 to know. Lots of things to like but it is a lot of extra to pay 🤔
@@backontwowheels9469 Most indeedy !
The best thing about the triumph is that it’s not a gs and that the missenden flyer does not like it.
I’ve had mine 2 weeks now I find it a bit top heavy and a bit on the tall side the passenger seat is too tall I wish they had an option for it !
Waiting still for the low seat to get my feet planted as I’m only a 29 inch inseam, they should have an optional 17 inch wheel set for a better choice of rubber and lowering the rally pro covers the off road people, I liked your review!
Epic view with the insta360 mate and a great review of the tiger triumph definitely know what they're doing with their lumps
Brilliant
Great review as always chopsie
Liking the new camera angles too my friend
All the best to you Mr chops 👍
Thanks Michael 👍👍
Thanks for the review, Chops. Seems like a cracking bike and very much fit for purpose save, as you mentioned, tft limitations etc. Without further research (which would be wise) I’d put this Tiger almost on par with the 1200GS. Purchasing decision would probably come down to perceived quality of finish, service costs and local dealer reputation. As regards it’s performance against the Multistrada, I’d wager it wouldn’t bother too many potential customers.
The TFT just needs to be setup to show additional stuff like mpg, range etc.
Thanks Chopsy, by far the best all round review of the Tiger i've seen on the internet. Cheers pal
Welcome Jason 👍
That was an amazing look at a castle close to 1000 years old. I gained 4 lbs watching you eat the cake. Brings back the pastie test! Maybe a cake test?
Yes was thinking about a best cake run 😁😁👍
I kept thinking you were saying Oundle but it was Arundel, thought I have been to Oundle how did I miss the castle 😂
That drone view was great
So here it is, I was wondering how you were getting on with this video. Gives us an idea on how long it really takes to film and edit these videos!
Are you sure you can't see the trip info? On my 2020 Speed Triple you can press the selector button left and right to chance the info you want to see.
Just bought on and I love it ! Good cross between the Bmw 1250gs and the ktm 1290 as .
Best of both worlds 👌🏼
As always a great review, this class of bike is not my cup of tea but nice to hear what manufacturers are up 2 .
I love my new triumph tiger 1200! It’s a beast of a machine.
here's an alternative view, I've had a 900 rally pro a year, rode it all over the place including 2 rallies, so quick word onthat, seat is 3 hours comfortable the foams not quite right, twitchy front end two up and that's it no other complaints other than you have to fit better protection its a brilliant bike. I've just test rode the 1200gt, unfortunately not the rally, the engines smoother, its faster though not massively and that's the only two advantages over the 900, the handling is the same. Bits I really didn't like, the new dash is awful massive step backwards and I just don't like keyless. Shaft drive?? I can clean, lube and adjust a chain, no biggie... Just my opinion everyone has one and everyone's is valid. Test ride before buy. I'm sticking with the 900.
Next LCR day trip: Portland Bill! The road between Crossways and Weymouth is a decent set of twisties, and we can compare your next review bike to my 2006 Fazer ;)
Yes good idea 👍
Re screen info. It’s all there you just need to set up options to your liking, so can’t blame Triumph for that
OK thanks Paul I will look at that 👍
Gs is for people who do not have a real passion for motorcycling, and got their first motorcycle long after turning 40 years old. Triumph all day long!
Isn't that Harley riders?
Love the grand theft auto view from behind 😁
William the Conqueror was French. He built castles to keep the Anglo Saxons under the heel.
He was a Norman (North man) a Viking and related to Edward the confessor hence his claim to the English throne but he did build his castle's to keep the English under his heel
@@stuartb1963 does that mean Normandy is really in Sweden?
@@blacksmithsligo well they were Danish Viking's so probably not and after 1000 years i think we can say Normandy has become French even if it wasn't back then , the excessive love of cheese of the locals confirms that
@@stuartb1963 they had settled in northern France for over 150 and had swan their allegiance to the king of France by the time they invaded England. So I think we can safely call them French. William also spoke French as his first language and tried to make French the language of the English state.
William had been at war with the French king Henry and defeated him in battle not long before the battle of Hastings his claim to the English throne was based on his not being French Edward the confessor was part Viking and part English and through his Viking lineage was related to William
Hi there I wondered why don’t you wear a hi viz vest ,❤
Love the vid bought a tiger rally pro 900 last year a love it !!! But that’s looks a great bike 👍
Great review as always Choppsy. I have the knox urbane pro shirt same as you but hardly wear mine. What do you wear underneath to keep warm?
Arundel Castle is such a frustrating places to photograph! I live not far and have been trying to get a good shot for years.
Great video! That cake was worth the trip! I am just trying to decide between the KTM Super Adventure 1290 R, Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro, BMW R1250 GS Adventure and of course the Ducati V4S Multistrada! Maybe you could help with my decision? How about a joint a review with you, Teapot, Mr Flyer and Mr Vida? 2 chain & 2 shaft bikes a 3 day trip? Now that would be really interesting! 👍
Great idea for a review Mark! 👏 all depends what sort of adventure bike you want, the GS is the best mile muncher followed by the Triumph (which is faster) the Ducati is beautiful and that V4 motor incredible but not the most comfortable and fuel range poor. SA and ducati the most exciting to ride and handle the best 👌
@@LambChopRides , to continue, I rode the KTM, Ducati and loved both, fast and very fast, however, chain drive! Love the GS, I’ve owned 4 in the last 16 years and everyone buys them for a very good reason! But bored of them now! So that is the reason I bought the shaft drive Triumph 1200 Tiger Rally Explorer, it’s different to the main stream, in my opinion it has the edge over the GS older mans bike, faster, lighter, more refined but most of all, its British! I would much rather keep a British person in a job than a German! I love my Triumph shaft drive!
Lets be honest, all the above bikes are amazing, it just depends where your heart is!
Great film first time of watching you very informative lovely camera work . what is the Gillet body warmer you are wearing
Thanks buddy, jacket is the Knox Urban Pro vest 👍
I was looking at this bike as a potential replacement for my 19 plate Super adventure S, but I'm not convinced after watching many reviews and sitting on the bike... As it stands I will go witht the new updated model of KTK's Super Adventure, just can't beat that brute force. :)
Looks like a nice bit of kit. Getting up there price wise though.
Is this the 2024 model with the revised t-plane, or the original? I've ridden the original and heard lots of weird noises and vibration at various RPM, and hoping they've smoothed it out with the larger flywheel and balancers.
Amazing video and scenery!
Great review. I have the 900 Rally Pro…worth trading up? 1038 is the eleventh century, not the tenth 😬, so the castle is virtually a new-build. Wonder if they’ve sorted the snagging yet 😎.
Yes 11th century, I was waiting for someone to pickup on that hehe 👍 I l love the 900, like the overall size of the bike better if I'm honest
I used to go shooting on goodwood estate years ago..
Refreshing that chops.
I can’t wait for a after market exhaust
Not sure about that camera on a stick haha , makes it look like your in a video game, the bike much too tall for me at just over 5ft 9 , must agree it does sound good 👍
I'm 5'8" and have zero issue handling it.
I had a Gen 3 and it was amazing, but traded it in for a KTM 1290 SDR. That was just nicked so considering getting the new Gen 4, so tempting! Really looking forward to your comparison vid.
I don't think you would go too far wrong the new bike is amazing! And I am currently a GSA owner!
thought this one was going to be chopsie the tour guide, brushing up on your history
Cant wait for the group review with 44 Teeth. do you prefer the Norden 901?
keep up the ace content and style!
Do like middleweight adventure bikes better if I'm honest.. Tiger 900 would be my preference between the 1200 and 900 I think..
Fantastic review! Vic sponge is my favourite too!
Lovely isn't it 😍 👍
Superb review, Chops.
All good bikes these days not a bad one out there
Thanks for the gear list. What selfie stick setup are you using? I've been looking for one I can connect to my rear hand grip.
I suspect the Tiger 1200 GT Pro ergonomics might not suit me...I am nearer to TMF (Andy) than you in terms of height/inside leg.
Yet to see you on the 44teeth vid on this or review by TMF.....(hopefully Bruce not feeling too left out).
I liked the content....The cross-channnel input, new camera experiment (footage a bit artificial but heh- different) plus destination, (local roads to me), plus theme.........all good stuff. Thanks
Thanks buddy appreciated 👍
The best touring bike had the 2016 and i did 16hrs on it and was fresh as a daisy
Insta 360 footage looks awesome, it actually looks like your being chanced buy a drone, You can also add and remove info from screen in check box menu. sorry how rude am i great vid buy the way
OK thanks Carl, interesting regarding the menu check box... Next time I'm on a new triumph I will find that option and try it 👍
Hi Lamb chops....nice review...hope you get to read this....I've just bought the rally explorer..I love it..fantastic bike...I've owned many bikes..including 5 gs's...BUT....there is a fly in the ointment...the navigation interface is a joke.!! The my triumph app is worse than useless...For a nearly £20k motorcycle,it's not good enough...Why did triumph not save the money spent on that app and install android auto and apple car play instead.....sorry for the rant,but I need to get it out there.....triumph need to know they messed up the interface.....all the best...keep up the good work..!!
OK good point about the nav integration I didn't test that 👍
@@LambChopRides I wasn't having a go at you bud....I'm a fan....think I'm local to you...Horndean:-)
Nice one Chops, good vid👍
Chops will be at the Festival of Speed at the BOTB win a Car or Bike Stand for the Thurs/Fri/Sat and Sunday I am going with the Mrs for a walk round. If your at the show come and see us and I will sort you out a beer👍🏻
I'm there tomorrow afternoon for a ride up the hill on an R18 😎😎
I've been a Triumph Tiger owner for ten years now, Gen 1-3 love them because of the engine as well as being great bikes. I waited three years for the new 1200 to come out but cannot get on with the new engine. Didn't like it on the 900 so bought a Gen 3 800 XCA new for a great price hoping to trade it in for the new 1200 but no way. I do notice the vibes at around 75-80 mph, really notice them after riding the old triple for so many years. I've ridden the new bike for nearly a day now trying to ignore them but I can't. Why oh why change it when most people will be just touring on it baffles me. On the 900 maybe as people will go off road much more on the smaller bike but not the 1200. Should have put the new Speed Triple 1200 engine instead, would have sold like hotcakes. Just bought a GSA instead. How daft is that! Not me buying a GSA, but Triumph putting me on one...
I agree with this, when I tested the various options in 900 and 1200 categories I wondered why they didn't put the T-plane engine into the off-road versions only and leave a 'standard' triple in the road versions. Initially I loved the rasping raw engine but quickly wished it was smoother. I realize it's an extra thing to run through the factory but I think this was a commercial misstep.
Late to the party as usual...
I traded in my '19 Tiger 1200 for the Steve McQueen Scrambler 1200, knowing that the new version of the Tiger would be coming out. The McQueen will be with me for ever...a new Tiger soon to follow...If they can get here (Canada) in some semblance of time lol
My wife will appreciate the comfort of the big ADV over the Scrambler for sure...it's not really designed as a day tripper 2 up :D
Cheers from the colonies
Great vid chops! Would love to see what you think of the new Yamaha R7 if you can get your hands on one… I’m sure you can haha
Trying to set something up with Yamaha but taking ages 😕
I'm really happy to see a positive review, because other reviewers gave me mixed feelings about this bike. I think it looks the best out of all. You haven't mentioned vibrations in this video (others had complains about it), what is your opinion about it?
Vibes and not a smooth throttle was mentioned.in many reviews?
I test road the 1200 GT Pro and the foot peg and handlebar vibes are noticeable but not a distraction. Ought to be mentioned in a review though.
Has a few vibes but not vtwin like, nothing which will cause numb hands or anything like that 👍
I have 4800 miles on the new GT Explorer, the vibes were bothersome for the first 1500 miles in my opinion but now the engine has broken in and its really smooth. You do still feel some vibes above 6000 rpm being a hooligan but it's nice and smooth cruising 60-90 mph, higher speed limits in Montana USA.
@@nscott26 probably not more vibrations than ducatis V2 engines. I love my hypermotard 950, it vibrates if you push it, and vibrates a lot, but worth anyways 😅 Im looking now for something more “calm” to drive. I will lose my license if I keep driving hypermotards.