In football, its almost the same. 120 minutes of field play only to be decided by a series of kicks at an extremely close distances to which luck herself wouldn't help at all. But it is what it is, the team that should've played better on the field didn't convert and ended up is a bad position. I wouldn't say that bullet armageddon is dumb, in fact I support it but it comes at a cost of breaking the standard regulations to successfully crown a winner.
Brearking news: It is now known the game continued for a few more moves and Van Foreest in fact got a winning position after Giri blundered. I upload videos too fast again. Van Foreest still wins it all, though.
BREAking news: It is now known the game continued for a few more moves and Van Foreest in fact got a winning position after Giri blundered. I upload videos too fast again. Van Foreest still wins it all, though. Entire game here chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/tata-steel-masters-2021/16/1/1
I remember seeing on the live stream one of them, I think Giri, knocking over the pieces on the board. That may be a big part of the reason he lost on time :/ EDIT: turns out Anish resigned the game, so, not really, but arguably still a timeloss huge enough that might have been his breaking point.
0:00 Hello everyone 0:53 Without further ado 1:42 Completely new game 2:01 Castles castles 5:36 Double up on the c file 6:3612:13 Captures captures 9:0010:3011:48 Completely winning 9:12 (It was in this position) 10:42 Give you a couple of seconds 10:53 Enjoy the show 12:16 Nothing more to be done 12:2112:29 So yeah
I'm afraid this is not what happened. The transmission stopped after 58. Ra7. But as you can see in the video, they played on with 58...g4 59. Rxa6 g3 60. Ra7 g2 61. Ra8+ Kd7 62. Rd8+ Ke7 after which white cannot stop the g-pawn. Anish saw that and leaned back, basically a resignation.
@@alexeyk3834 Hehe well something felt off because the time said 00:12. So together with a spectator at Lichess we watched the bit back at speedx0,5 :-)
why 60. Ra7 ? this move is losing and I do not see any reason to play it, while any other beginners move is winning in this position. So Jordan blundered and then Anish blundered the winning position.
Totally agree. You sign up for a marathon run and end up having to do 100m sprint at the end. They should reintroduce split winners, as draw is indeed a very likely result especially among GMs. So the tournament setup should reflect that
@@clikclak9627 maybe more blitz games? I really don’t think armageddon should be used in OTB where u can’t premodern but have no increment to work with.
For those who didn't watch the streaming: Giri basically panicked and lost 30 seconds after black Na3. Furthermore he did a mess around the b6 square making all the pieces falling down and had to spend many seconds to readjust them before he could hit the clock. EDIT: i just checked out, Giri took not 30 secs but almost ONE MINUTE to play c6 after Na3. Basically burning half of the time left on the clock.
While it is heartbreaking for giri, he cracked under pressure which is basically the goal of armageddon. Jorden almost cracked too, blundering a bishop so i dont think it diminishes van foreests victory which is absolutely insane for him
Agadmator: feel free to pause the video and try to win this position for Giri. Me: seeing Giri's picture on white side start calculating the position for white pieces.
Giri did not actually lose on time. There were some missing moves at the end most likely because Giri knocked down some pieces, which did not allow the board to properly register the moves after the fact. After winning the piece Giri blundered immediately due to time trouble. If you see the chesscom live broadcast the black pawn was physically on g2, which makes black winning. Giri resigned the game with around 10 seconds left on the clock. For reference: ruclips.net/video/J2umj9SgdFU/видео.html 7:05:15
As a dutchman this was all i could have dreamt for, what an amazing day of chess! I feel bad for Anish, he deserved better then to go down like this in a classical tournament. Agadmator thanks for your great coverage!
I don't mind Van Forest winning but this is prime Giri at his highest peak this one hurts not gonna lie after all the draw jokes just wanted him to destroy the haters.
To lose on time in a 5 minute game after a 14 day tournament seems cheap, getting close to just flipping a coin. Giri, like he did during the tournament, had chances to win. I do think they need to revisit this format. When pieces start getting knocked over in haste it looks unprofessional and out of character for the very nature of chess. I would say it should be done on a virtual board, but misclicks or mismoves might be worse.
It is indeed. However, there has been FIFA World Cup tournaments settled on penalty shootouts, so it's basically the same unsatisfactory end. They should indeed keep playing classical until one player wins, since different players play at different levels at different speeds.
@@pineapplesareyummy6352 yeah but then there might be no end to it as draws are very common and the organizers can't keep going on indefinately. Perhaps a series of rapid 15+10 min games should determine the result.
@@prasan7th “a super GM at best” lmfao what else could someone want in their chess career? You do realize there’s nothing higher than that and that giri is up there in the top 20-30 of all time?
@@yeagerist977 i am just saying he is not a chess legend yet, i don't think he will be placed 20-30 all time until he wins some title of importance. He has a tendency to choke at clutch moments. So yo all need to stop overrating him just cause his streams and tweets are fun. (They aint that funny tbh 😅)
Road to 1M !!! Congrats agad you really deserve it. The biggest Chess channel on RUclips! Crazy how this hits such a narrow audience yet that is growing everyday from people like you to pogchamps to queens gambit to popular streamers playing. It’s been great to watch the chess wave as I got into chess right before it struck and it has been amazing to watch it happen
had a similar thought, maybe they should think about having such time scramble rounds online since it reduces the chances of such piece-falling errors and definitely the players are able to extract a lot more from the limited time
@@ohkay8939 Yes, but Giri knocked over pieces on move 56, having to set them back cost him precious time, might have reached time control without that.
@@jestice75 he only lived in russia the first 8 years of his life, he has lived in the netherlands since 2008, he moved there when he was 13-14 fair to say the netherlands has been his home for a majority of his life
@@jestice75 You can move and change citizenship, believe it or not it’s not that uncommon... «raised in russia during his formative years» to him thats probably just distant memories
I just have one doubt, when you know Armageddon is such a disaster over the board, why not for just one game, have it online in the playing hall at Tata steel master's venue itself?? Isn't it a good idea?
@Daw but nowadays everyone plays online, so they can essentially bring their own mice. it totally seems logical to me, having such a time scramble online. Plus you won't need WiFi, pretty sure it's possible to have it over LAN
@Daw Esports are 100 times more difficult in every sense to organize yet they manage to do it no problem. Bring your mouse??? Armageddon itself is absolute shit. Chess tournament organizers are retarded. Let them play classical until one wins that's it, or at the very least rapid. It's absolute nonsense that the winner of a classical tournament is a dude literally flagging his opponent over the board in a messy ass game.
@@sebaba001 he had a losing position in the last few moves so it wasn't only on time. If you let them play classical games there are gonna be a lot of draws (eg Carlsen - Caruana or even Kasparov Karpov). Rapid seems more logical but the idea of Armageddon is it to avoid draws. Oh and by the way "the dude flagging his opponent" and "winning so unfairly" has the best performance in this tournament and still stayed undefeated in 13 rounds against higher rated opponents. You could argue that Giri may have played better but Jorden definitely deserved the win because of his amazing play in the whole tournament.
One of the great Joy's of this event is the arrival of three new crazy good YOUNG stars. Alireza obviously! Episenko is almost as young, had great perf., and the winner, Jorden van Foreest, still only 21! What a great tourn.
I've never seen someone blow so many crushing positions. Giri had a game like that against Nepo in the Candidates last winter where he had Nepo on the ropes, he was in prep forever and then I think Nepo actually ended up beating him in that game. He's had so many games where his prep has him at a huge advantage and then he draws. Dude is better at prep than even Carlsen or Fabi I think, but those two are much better at converting.
Even though I'm Dutch, I would have loved seeing Firouzja play this final game. He (also) played a phenomenal, exciting and creative tournament, would have gotten 8 and half point as well if he wouldn't have been distracted by the akward idea of having him and Wojtaszek move to another spot in the room - and we all know he kicks ass in Blitz.
Just as they say fortune favours the bold...Big congratulations to the worthy TATA steel champion 2021. Van F. Playing all the rounds to the end not easy. Very exciting games and analysis by Agadmator.Also I think the armageddon style needs to be reviewed coz chess is a funny game when you know all you need is a draw to win.
If you accept that a draw is a very likely and acceptable outcome, joint winners must be acceptable too; especially when such tiebreakers which are quintessentially different from the whole tournament, are used to decide a winner. It just feels wrong. Giri did not deserve this.
Devastating... though to win via a blunder would kinda be just as "bad" for the winner. Glad to see guys like Esipenko and Van Foreest playing so incredibly strongly!
After toppling the pieces maybe DGT board had problems transmitting the moves to the feed and missed last 4 moves so commentator reported only 58 moves instead of 62. Anish resigned the game.
Good choice to put the what-would-happen-puzzles at the end of the games! Doesn't distract from the actual game and its like a nice treat at the end, very welcome
this tournament had a lot of blunders by #YOU Antonio :) sometimes you said King captures while there was not even a capture in the position , Queeeeeeen captures while the knight was capturing and son on, but still that was one amazing stuff, I watched all the games you covered and for that I thank you, you are the only reason why I visit RUclips website, I know you won't believe it, but it is actually not an exaggeration. people like you make RUclips the best social media on the net which it is now according to lots of researches, also we all know Magnus is the best chess player in the world but you have almost 1 million people who watch and enjoy chess just because of you, you are fun and you have your own charisma, the history of chess will always remember you Antonio. once again thanks, you did well with this tournament like always you do.
Dear Agamator, I feel like you need to mention that at 4:12 the entire reason Giri lost is because after Foreest's knight to A3 attacking Giri's Queen, Giri spent 30 seconds deciding to push his pawn to C6 when all he had to do was make a move, ANY MOVE , to race to time control. Both chess24.com and chess.com had live streams where the commentators were screaming "MOVE! MOVE WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIRI JUST MAKE A MOVE OH MY GOD!" GIri just kind of got sucked into a wormhole of thought and lost any awareness of what was happening in the moment. His entire loss can be traced to that one 30 second blunder. HE didn't blunder on position, he blundered on time. It is sad for Giri, but on the other hand, I am really happy for Foreest. Tis when got him to 2700 ration, won the tournament, and blossomed his entire career !
Every fellow chessmen, can we please voice our concern and bring justice to Alireza? What happened to him was not only dirty but also very disrespectful.
Up to this point BOTH players had played in exemplary style, producing some great moments over the board. Obviously this could not be allowed to continue, as real chess is time consuming and not at all like off road bike racing, which is great to watch and much easier to understand.
Hi Antonio! Thanks for the very informative video. In his last name, the "ee" is pronounced as if you would say the letter "a". Something like: Vahn (not like the word "van") Forr-ace-t. Regards from The Netherlands!
I think instead of deciding the winner with armageddon the tournament format should have just been 5+3 blitz games until someone wins (or has 2 more wins than the opponent). I don't know it seems a more natural way to conclude things. Nevertheless congrats to both players it was still very enjoyable
It would've been so much fun if you had covered this in real time, with the clock ticking and everything...would've truly captured the intense roller-coaster ride that it was!
@@user-jh3kz7dp2z Yes but that's the point. To understand the flow of adrenalin at that point of time. He could've done a deeper analysis of the critical moments after the real-time analysis is over. In armageddon, time is probably even more important than the position on the board.
Van Foreest was also low on time when he blundered his bishop, so you can't really say that Giri had bad luck losing on time despite being in a winning position.
I don't understand the blunders by either players. It's obvious c6 doesn't work, as it is that, though even more obvious, that Rxf4 is a blunder. It's worth clarifying though that these Armageddons, blitz or even rapid games are ridiculous in a classical tournament. They can just play classical games until one of them wins, or one should just use the highest performance in the tournament for those of the top two scorers. To end a classical tournament with the methods used just wastes the value of all the careful hard work that went into the classical games.
You are confused and probably furious like me for Alireza today..... In second one blitz game Giri had black pieces contrary to your saying in the video...
So many people said bullet game as unfair in classical game. But for you remember, football games that play 120minutes decided by penalty kick at the end. You want them fight 7 days and die exhausted?
Out of interest, I had look up on wiki to see when the last time a GM from the Netherlands won this tournament in the A section. It turns out that Van Foreest is the first Dutch player to win it since Jan Timman in 1985.
#tatasteel2021 In an eventful final phase, the moves were made so fast that the digital board stopped recording them after move 58. For online viewers, it seemed that Giri lost time in a winning position. In reality, four more moves were made and Giri ended up being the last to make a mistake. In the final position, he was unable to prevent his opponent from promoting a pawn and, while leaning back in disbelief, he let his watch set zero. Carlsen also thought that Giri had wasted time in position 58 and made a joke on Twitter, but Giri did not miss the opportunity and also responded by referring to the fact that he was not in the final dispute🤣🤣
at the end of this game: Commentator: (In a whispering voice) And that is it. Anish Giri's impressive performance. He has calculated this tournament right to the very end. He was always 13 games ahead. He even managed to draw the final points. He is Anish "THE DRAWMASTER" Giri. You can expect no less from him. It is either a draw or a draw for him. Sometimes he does accidentally wins it. Even in this last game, he was obviously aiming for a draw. But somehow found himself in a winning position, so he resigned by way of "out of time". Truly a superb move by him, not foreseen by anyone in the tournament.
Two new players are now members of 2700 club according to live ratings: Andrej Esipenko is at 2701,1 which places him in 38th place currently and Jorden van Foreest is at 2701,2 which is 37th place. Dunno if the results of the tournament will be counted towards monthly FIDE update, we'll see.
Tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter. Giri almost won but almost. Tie breaks with magnus. Finishing second by half a point. Losing on time in a winning Armageddon. Is it like the Khabib vs Ferguson match JUST NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. What an emotional Rollercoaster this was. Feel for Giri.
The result of a classical tournament decided by a bullet time scrabble- oh the irony.
Imagine Doug Demuro playing chess.. Jewish + Moving the pawns with his tongue
It's absolutely retarded. Literally just let them play each other for a couple of days until one of them wins.
That's what happens when you take 30 seconds after allowing Na3.
In football, its almost the same. 120 minutes of field play only to be decided by a series of kicks at an extremely close distances to which luck herself wouldn't help at all. But it is what it is, the team that should've played better on the field didn't convert and ended up is a bad position. I wouldn't say that bullet armageddon is dumb, in fact I support it but it comes at a cost of breaking the standard regulations to successfully crown a winner.
At this level letting them play usually ends up in draws so a blitz or bullet game sounds sensible as they won't be as accurate
Such an ugly way to lose a Classical Chess competition
Well Van Foreest had better tiebreakers anyway...
Agree. I prefer shared winners over this.
@@hiimbonsai lol shared winners
Brearking news: It is now known the game continued for a few more moves and Van Foreest in fact got a winning position after Giri blundered. I upload videos too fast again. Van Foreest still wins it all, though.
Agreed. Use another tiebreaker. Even flipping a coin would be better. Or just let them be tied.
BREAking news: It is now known the game continued for a few more moves and Van Foreest in fact got a winning position after Giri blundered. I upload videos too fast again. Van Foreest still wins it all, though.
Entire game here chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/tata-steel-masters-2021/16/1/1
Bearking indeed
make an addendum video
I remember seeing on the live stream one of them, I think Giri, knocking over the pieces on the board. That may be a big part of the reason he lost on time :/
EDIT: turns out Anish resigned the game, so, not really, but arguably still a timeloss huge enough that might have been his breaking point.
No Anish Giri was winning at the very end!!!!
@@CaioXG002 anish literally resigned.
0:00 Hello everyone
0:53 Without further ado
1:42 Completely new game
2:01 Castles castles
5:36 Double up on the c file
6:36 12:13 Captures captures
9:00 10:30 11:48 Completely winning
9:12 (It was in this position)
10:42 Give you a couple of seconds
10:53 Enjoy the show
12:16 Nothing more to be done
12:21 12:29 So yeah
Anish giri : 'Time is running out!!'
Agad : 'Hello everyone'
I'm afraid this is not what happened. The transmission stopped after 58. Ra7. But as you can see in the video, they played on with 58...g4 59. Rxa6 g3 60. Ra7 g2 61. Ra8+ Kd7 62. Rd8+ Ke7 after which white cannot stop the g-pawn. Anish saw that and leaned back, basically a resignation.
Very suspicious
Awesome catch! But how the hell you can see that from the video?! The only thing I can notice are the pieces falling here and there :)
@@alexeyk3834 Hehe well something felt off because the time said 00:12. So together with a spectator at Lichess we watched the bit back at speedx0,5 :-)
@Bert13 thanks so much for clarifying this. Antonio gets to exited and doesn't report the correct order most of the times.
why 60. Ra7 ? this move is losing and I do not see any reason to play it, while any other beginners move is winning in this position. So Jordan blundered and then Anish blundered the winning position.
Funny how they decide the winner of a classical tournament
@Patrick Höing or maybe like a 10 min game?
@@jp1731 probably they will still draw we had 2 blitz games drawn...
Totally agree. You sign up for a marathon run and end up having to do 100m sprint at the end.
They should reintroduce split winners, as draw is indeed a very likely result especially among GMs. So the tournament setup should reflect that
@@pavelzalevskiy9628 they two games before this one. They were blitz. What else should they play?
@@clikclak9627 maybe more blitz games? I really don’t think armageddon should be used in OTB where u can’t premodern but have no increment to work with.
For those who didn't watch the streaming: Giri basically panicked and lost 30 seconds after black Na3. Furthermore he did a mess around the b6 square making all the pieces falling down and had to spend many seconds to readjust them before he could hit the clock.
EDIT: i just checked out, Giri took not 30 secs but almost ONE MINUTE to play c6 after Na3. Basically burning half of the time left on the clock.
While it is heartbreaking for giri, he cracked under pressure which is basically the goal of armageddon. Jorden almost cracked too, blundering a bishop so i dont think it diminishes van foreests victory which is absolutely insane for him
IM Lawrence Trent was losing his mind as Giri's time just kept ticking away.
yeah why do you need to justify him? jorden blundered his rook in the end as well.
Ya it sucked watching Giri resetting the board as his clock ticks down
@@christianwai1796 No it wasn't the same for Jorden, Anish had to play for a win.
Agadmator: feel free to pause the video and try to win this position for Giri.
Me: seeing Giri's picture on white side start calculating the position for white pieces.
feel free to pause this video and try to draw this position for Giri
this is exactly how i play chess. get into a winning position, blunder, gets another chance, time runs out.
@@jayrb7747 Unlike the brilliant moves, I can find the blunders in any position or time constraints. It's quite a gift.
Same. I thought "fxg4. Why is that a difficult move to guess? I guess I'm a GM now.. :)"
Are you somali bro ?
maybe forresst played that move to confuse giri with time control
It was a good move. Confuse your opponent and trap king from defending against fast pawns.
It's the type of moves that I play so there's definitely quality there, we just have to let Stockfish work on it for a couple of years :)
@@uniktbrukernavn i can smell your musk from a mile away
Lmao
@@uniktbrukernavn well if u play such moves than maybe it's just a nonsense move to confuse giri
Devestating for Giri this certainly was his tournament
Oh no I started this video and comment jumped on me 😔
No, it wasn't
@@davidpodnecky2482 thats why you watch video before reading coments
@@davidpodnecky2482 Oh no, I am greatly sorry I just commented out of emotion there.
If he didn't draw the game before the last round he would have already won.
Giri did not actually lose on time. There were some missing moves at the end most likely because Giri knocked down some pieces, which did not allow the board to properly register the moves after the fact. After winning the piece Giri blundered immediately due to time trouble. If you see the chesscom live broadcast the black pawn was physically on g2, which makes black winning. Giri resigned the game with around 10 seconds left on the clock.
For reference: ruclips.net/video/J2umj9SgdFU/видео.html
7:05:15
Magnus tweet-As my father likes to say, 58 is not quite 60 yet
Anish reply- Hm, I thought spectators were not allowed this year
damn.....
I think this comment of Magnus was not only insensitive, but also uncalled for... so Anish's reply is quite fitting
@@harikritimurali Not at all, they are grown up dudes. Giri lost his big opportunity, and Magnus can laugh of him
@@harikritimurali Giri has tweeted on Magnus failing as well. They have a weird relationship
What does Magnus's tweet imply? I didn't quite understand.
As a dutchman this was all i could have dreamt for, what an amazing day of chess! I feel bad for Anish, he deserved better then to go down like this in a classical tournament. Agadmator thanks for your great coverage!
I really wanted Giri to win but I'm glad to see the comments here supporting his efforts. It seems he didn't win the tournament but he won our hearts!
"In my heart, Both won the tournament"
- Peter Leko ❤️
I don't mind Van Forest winning but this is prime Giri at his highest peak this one hurts not gonna lie after all the draw jokes just wanted him to destroy the haters.
@Jericho Bravecat shut it dog
Ha...GAIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
I read this with Peter Leko's voice
Breakups hurt the most!
Ever lost with a better position, eh?
To lose on time in a 5 minute game after a 14 day tournament seems cheap, getting close to just flipping a coin. Giri, like he did during the tournament, had chances to win. I do think they need to revisit this format. When pieces start getting knocked over in haste it looks unprofessional and out of character for the very nature of chess. I would say it should be done on a virtual board, but misclicks or mismoves might be worse.
He didn't loose on time. He blundered and resigned
@@ItachiXSanjii After he knocked over the pieces.
It is indeed. However, there has been FIFA World Cup tournaments settled on penalty shootouts, so it's basically the same unsatisfactory end. They should indeed keep playing classical until one player wins, since different players play at different levels at different speeds.
@@pineapplesareyummy6352 yeah but then there might be no end to it as draws are very common and the organizers can't keep going on indefinately. Perhaps a series of rapid 15+10 min games should determine the result.
@@pineapplesareyummy6352 It is not the same at all!!!!!!!! One must be too inconsiderate to say such a thing.
Where legends shed tears. I can only hope Giri comes back stronger.
He aint any chess legend, a super GM at best
@@prasan7th He was so close tho. Kinda sad seeing him lose a major classical event on time trouble.
Yeah he was solid, but Van Forrest deserved it to win imo, a 1000/1 odds player just won a super GM tournament, i am feeling excited overall 🤘
@@prasan7th “a super GM at best” lmfao what else could someone want in their chess career? You do realize there’s nothing higher than that and that giri is up there in the top 20-30 of all time?
@@yeagerist977 i am just saying he is not a chess legend yet, i don't think he will be placed 20-30 all time until he wins some title of importance. He has a tendency to choke at clutch moments. So yo all need to stop overrating him just cause his streams and tweets are fun. (They aint that funny tbh 😅)
Road to 1M !!! Congrats agad you really deserve it. The biggest Chess channel on RUclips! Crazy how this hits such a narrow audience yet that is growing everyday from people like you to pogchamps to queens gambit to popular streamers playing. It’s been great to watch the chess wave as I got into chess right before it struck and it has been amazing to watch it happen
If this was played online we might have a different result
Van Foreest is pretty good online as well though, isn't he? He's done pretty well in Lichess tournaments before.
had a similar thought, maybe they should think about having such time scramble rounds online since it reduces the chances of such piece-falling errors and definitely the players are able to extract a lot more from the limited time
@@ohkay8939 There would be no time lost from knocked down pieces, and you can pre-move, so there wouldn't have been so much time pressure.
@@ohkay8939 Yes, but Giri knocked over pieces on move 56, having to set them back cost him precious time, might have reached time control without that.
@@sunhitkakkar6959 them you'll have to deal with mouse slips and whatnot
Lets just appreciate hard work of 3 videos in two hours just to entertain us
This is agadmator op for us
Respect❤
This was the most bonkers chess game I've ever seen.....I'm sure any of you who were watching chess24's feed on youtube would agree that it was nuts
I swear it was an emotional rollercoaster, I wanted anish to win so badly, but congrats to van forrest he did well
Nuts ? Why did no one call me im a squirrel those are the perfect for winter stores.
van Foreest was Cemento. Giri had no chance.:)
Lawrence Trent grew his hair and lost it again during the match 🤣😂
In a Dutch-on-Dutch final, no one played The Dutch?!
I'm trying to figure out how a Nepali-Russian guy born in St. Petersburg is considered "Dutch".
@@jestice75 he only lived in russia the first 8 years of his life, he has lived in the netherlands since 2008, he moved there when he was 13-14 fair to say the netherlands has been his home for a majority of his life
@@gh-ev9vi Yea, only born and raised in Russia during his formative years, and to a Russian mother. Nothing screams Dutch more than that.
@Yousuf Hassan I had a layover in Hong Kong, I was Chinese for a few hours.
@@jestice75 You can move and change citizenship, believe it or not it’s not that uncommon... «raised in russia during his formative years» to him thats probably just distant memories
"This is basically 0% chance that I will do this anytime soon again" .. founding such words in the interview proofs how huge this is!
Agadmator: "Welcome to the finals of the finals of the Tata Steel Chess Tournament!"
Me: **confused**
I just have one doubt, when you know Armageddon is such a disaster over the board, why not for just one game, have it online in the playing hall at Tata steel master's venue itself?? Isn't it a good idea?
no it's not
The local WiFi had already dropped once for the streams, WiFi is too unreliable
@Daw but nowadays everyone plays online, so they can essentially bring their own mice. it totally seems logical to me, having such a time scramble online. Plus you won't need WiFi, pretty sure it's possible to have it over LAN
@Daw
Esports are 100 times more difficult in every sense to organize yet they manage to do it no problem.
Bring your mouse??? Armageddon itself is absolute shit. Chess tournament organizers are retarded. Let them play classical until one wins that's it, or at the very least rapid. It's absolute nonsense that the winner of a classical tournament is a dude literally flagging his opponent over the board in a messy ass game.
@@sebaba001 he had a losing position in the last few moves so it wasn't only on time. If you let them play classical games there are gonna be a lot of draws (eg Carlsen - Caruana or even Kasparov Karpov). Rapid seems more logical but the idea of Armageddon is it to avoid draws. Oh and by the way "the dude flagging his opponent" and "winning so unfairly" has the best performance in this tournament and still stayed undefeated in 13 rounds against higher rated opponents. You could argue that Giri may have played better but Jorden definitely deserved the win because of his amazing play in the whole tournament.
One of the great Joy's of this event is the arrival of three new crazy good YOUNG stars. Alireza obviously! Episenko is almost as young, had great perf., and the winner, Jorden van Foreest, still only 21! What a great tourn.
I found a poll where Foreest was the least favourite to win the tournament, I'm glad I backed the underdog now :D
I've never seen someone blow so many crushing positions. Giri had a game like that against Nepo in the Candidates last winter where he had Nepo on the ropes, he was in prep forever and then I think Nepo actually ended up beating him in that game. He's had so many games where his prep has him at a huge advantage and then he draws. Dude is better at prep than even Carlsen or Fabi I think, but those two are much better at converting.
I hope Giri will soon recover from this dramatic loss..
He'll be back drawing games in no time! Lol
@@chazmichels4280 you are not a chess fan buddy get Outta here you are not needed in this community
@@chazmichels4280 wow you're so funny -_-
It was catastrophic failure- Will willis
@@chazmichels4280 honestly giri doesn't draw that much. I was just one series that gave him that stigma
What I understood that making blunder just to confuse your opponent and grabbing his time is absolutely fun madness!!!!
Even though I'm Dutch, I would have loved seeing Firouzja play this final game. He (also) played a phenomenal, exciting and creative tournament, would have gotten 8 and half point as well if he wouldn't have been distracted by the akward idea of having him and Wojtaszek move to another spot in the room - and we all know he kicks ass in Blitz.
Just as they say fortune favours the bold...Big congratulations to the worthy TATA steel champion 2021. Van F. Playing all the rounds to the end not easy. Very exciting games and analysis by Agadmator.Also I think the armageddon style needs to be reviewed coz chess is a funny game when you know all you need is a draw to win.
If you accept that a draw is a very likely and acceptable outcome, joint winners must be acceptable too; especially when such tiebreakers which are quintessentially different from the whole tournament, are used to decide a winner.
It just feels wrong. Giri did not deserve this.
Unless I'm wrong it didn't even matter if Giri won?.
Devastating... though to win via a blunder would kinda be just as "bad" for the winner. Glad to see guys like Esipenko and Van Foreest playing so incredibly strongly!
After toppling the pieces maybe DGT board had problems transmitting the moves to the feed and missed last 4 moves so commentator reported only 58 moves instead of 62.
Anish resigned the game.
Congrats to Van Foreest fully deserved and incredibly underdog win❤️
Never been this early, was waiting for this video.
It was heartbreaking. But Giri will have his time. And thank you, Antonio, for the tournament coverage.
10:58 White doesn't have to capture, he can simply ignore this "threat" and start attack of his own..
Good choice to put the what-would-happen-puzzles at the end of the games! Doesn't distract from the actual game and its like a nice treat at the end, very welcome
Nihal Sarin be like: All those bullet training streams in vain.
Congratulations Jorden. 👏
Imagine playing for 2 week and getting flagged in the end
Sad for AG 😢
@Peter Mortensen AG is a shortening for Anish Giri.
Giri: "My Time's running out!"
Van Foreest: "Have you heard of Inversion?"
Foreest : Did I just win Tata St-
Agadmator: Hello Everyone!
Precisely :)
During the first rook equal capture, wouldn't it be a better position for white to exchange on b6 with the white pawn becoming active?
He spent 30 seconds on queen move.
Little bit quicker and he d hv won!!!
this tournament had a lot of blunders by #YOU Antonio :) sometimes you said King captures while there was not even a capture in the position , Queeeeeeen captures while the knight was capturing and son on, but still that was one amazing stuff, I watched all the games you covered and for that I thank you, you are the only reason why I visit RUclips website, I know you won't believe it, but it is actually not an exaggeration. people like you make RUclips the best social media on the net which it is now according to lots of researches, also we all know Magnus is the best chess player in the world but you have almost 1 million people who watch and enjoy chess just because of you, you are fun and you have your own charisma, the history of chess will always remember you Antonio. once again thanks, you did well with this tournament like always you do.
Bro what happens to Alireza match enrages me I swear
I searched all over the net. could you please explain what happened to Alireza? I saw people asking justice for Alireza
@@miladayatynia7844 search todays match stream and search this timestamp 06:07:00 and you will know why
Bulshit happend like always
In the middle of match arbitars ask him to move to another table and he stay
It wasy really unprofessional from the judges, but adter the game Alireza teared his paper with moves, which was stupid as well
@2:12 why not queen Qxb2? I think that would win the exchange and leave black with a better position
#JusticeforAlireza if the Arbiter did not disrupt the game, he could've reached #3 :(
Not really Alireza did blunder first then they disturb so yeah it is not good but not sure he will win that match clearly
@@hiteshlion4705 look at the recorded video again. He blundered after the interruption.
Dear Agamator, I feel like you need to mention that at 4:12 the entire reason Giri lost is because after Foreest's knight to A3 attacking Giri's Queen, Giri spent 30 seconds deciding to push his pawn to C6 when all he had to do was make a move, ANY MOVE , to race to time control. Both chess24.com and chess.com had live streams where the commentators were screaming "MOVE! MOVE WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIRI JUST MAKE A MOVE OH MY GOD!" GIri just kind of got sucked into a wormhole of thought and lost any awareness of what was happening in the moment. His entire loss can be traced to that one 30 second blunder. HE didn't blunder on position, he blundered on time. It is sad for Giri, but on the other hand, I am really happy for Foreest. Tis when got him to 2700 ration, won the tournament, and blossomed his entire career !
Every fellow chessmen, can we please voice our concern and bring justice to Alireza? What happened to him was not only dirty but also very disrespectful.
Up to this point BOTH players had played in exemplary style, producing some great moments over the board. Obviously this could not be allowed to continue, as real chess is time consuming and not at all like off road bike racing, which is great to watch and much easier to understand.
11:00 u didnt say giri was black or it was his move
Round 1 was amazing Jordan defended really well
Giri: Oh man, I can't afford a draw
*proceeds to play accelerated London
Daring today aren't we
i feel devastated for Anish... What a great tournament he had
Hi Antonio! Thanks for the very informative video. In his last name, the "ee" is pronounced as if you would say the letter "a". Something like: Vahn (not like the word "van") Forr-ace-t. Regards from The Netherlands!
Hij spreekt Engels, geen Nederlands.
I think instead of deciding the winner with armageddon the tournament format should have just been 5+3 blitz games until someone wins (or has 2 more wins than the opponent). I don't know it seems a more natural way to conclude things. Nevertheless congrats to both players it was still very enjoyable
Hm, I thought spectators were not allowed this year.😜
Thanks for your amazing and timely recaps!
It would've been so much fun if you had covered this in real time, with the clock ticking and everything...would've truly captured the intense roller-coaster ride that it was!
that simply doesn't work since the final moves happen at a rate far beyond human speech
@@user-jh3kz7dp2z Yes but that's the point. To understand the flow of adrenalin at that point of time. He could've done a deeper analysis of the critical moments after the real-time analysis is over. In armageddon, time is probably even more important than the position on the board.
Van Foreest was also low on time when he blundered his bishop, so you can't really say that Giri had bad luck losing on time despite being in a winning position.
Last time I was this early someone posted a "last time I was this early" before me
I don't understand the blunders by either players. It's obvious c6 doesn't work, as it is that, though even more obvious, that Rxf4 is a blunder.
It's worth clarifying though that these Armageddons, blitz or even rapid games are ridiculous in a classical tournament. They can just play classical games until one of them wins, or one should just use the highest performance in the tournament for those of the top two scorers. To end a classical tournament with the methods used just wastes the value of all the careful hard work that went into the classical games.
In my opinion i think that armageddon is okay for rapids but to decide a classical game by blitz/armageddon is not okay
One of the best tournament I have seen in Tata Steel masters. 😘
DOUBLE DUTCH WINNING
Chess is Ruthless..# Felling sad for Anish...
You are confused and probably furious like me for Alireza today..... In second one blitz game Giri had black pieces contrary to your saying in the video...
Firouzja loses the tiebreak, you know it sucks but every game on a RR matters and he lost R1 to carlsen, hindsight must be nice though
@10:30 re the second game. Might help if you said what colour Giri was.
#suggestion Petition for agad to reupload the video with the correct ending.
So many people said bullet game as unfair in classical game. But for you remember, football games that play 120minutes decided by penalty kick at the end.
You want them fight 7 days and die exhausted?
Out of interest, I had look up on wiki to see when the last time a GM from the Netherlands won this tournament in the A section. It turns out that Van Foreest is the first Dutch player to win it since Jan Timman in 1985.
They both Dutch so its even a 1-2
#tatasteel2021
In an eventful final phase, the moves were made so fast that the digital board stopped recording them after move 58. For online viewers, it seemed that Giri lost time in a winning position.
In reality, four more moves were made and Giri ended up being the last to make a mistake. In the final position, he was unable to prevent his opponent from promoting a pawn and, while leaning back in disbelief, he let his watch set zero.
Carlsen also thought that Giri had wasted time in position 58 and made a joke on Twitter, but Giri did not miss the opportunity and also responded by referring to the fact that he was not in the final dispute🤣🤣
CHESSS is a such a cruel game . seen MAGNUS win so many drawn undeserving GAMES and Anish just lost twice in two days playing solid great chess
It's easy to forget, but Giri actually drew his game with Firouzja
at the end of this game:
Commentator: (In a whispering voice) And that is it. Anish Giri's impressive performance. He has calculated this tournament right to the very end. He was always 13 games ahead. He even managed to draw the final points. He is Anish "THE DRAWMASTER" Giri. You can expect no less from him. It is either a draw or a draw for him. Sometimes he does accidentally wins it. Even in this last game, he was obviously aiming for a draw. But somehow found himself in a winning position, so he resigned by way of "out of time". Truly a superb move by him, not foreseen by anyone in the tournament.
Today’s HELLO EVERYONE made me fall out of my seat, and I thank you for that
...asks this guy, "What are you doing here?" 🤣
Narrative of Self is the result of a feedback loop between “Separate Self” & Cosmos 🔴
For such a crazy game this was a slow commentry. Try listening at 2x. I had racing heartbeat during the game.
'And Giri loses on ti...'
'HELLO EVERYONE!'
I feel like with the above quote, too often I make other people's dreams a reality.
His pieces fall and then he placed them which consumed time🙄. For me he's still the winner.
No. The game continued for some moves after the piece fall. But Giri blundered and resigned himself. He couldn't stop the pawn from quinning.
Giri: "Ha! Pawn capture or not, you must realize: You are doomed."
Van Foreest: "Oh, I don't think so."
I want a heart from agadmator, but I know it's impossible
Two new players are now members of 2700 club according to live ratings:
Andrej Esipenko is at 2701,1 which places him in 38th place currently and
Jorden van Foreest is at 2701,2 which is 37th place.
Dunno if the results of the tournament will be counted towards monthly FIDE update, we'll see.
This is absolutely heartbreaking. Armageddon is so unfair for white!
Nope
It depends really because as white you just have to play hyper aggressive and avoid draw, you can just flag your opponent.
Bruh draw is the most probable outcome of a chess match. To give a player these odds in the time of engines is just absurd.
Hi Agad , just wanted to mention that the game lasted for 62 moves in the LIVE broadcast but it showed only 58 on the online board
"Thomas had never seen such bullshit before."
Agadmator actually uploaded the video when Giri still got 20sec on the clock lol
Classical has become a complete joke
Classical? This was blitz you donkey
@@stanleytime9193 in a classical tournament, that is why I think he thinks it is a joke
Giri finally forced to not draw for once
58 is smaller than 60, then it is of course smaller than 60! (60 factiorial) [yeah, that's math joke]
Tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter.
Giri almost won but almost.
Tie breaks with magnus.
Finishing second by half a point.
Losing on time in a winning Armageddon.
Is it like the Khabib vs Ferguson match JUST NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
What an emotional Rollercoaster this was.
Feel for Giri.
Only 15k to go to one million. It was predicted long ago that this channel would reach one million. Could not happen to a more deserving guy.
Sadly, the quality of the videos have gone down over time in exchange for speed of upload.