Hi, what I don’t like is a) the content starts at 2:00, b) the whole video is simply advertising for benchdog products without additional insights from actually using it and c) it is not clear to me what problem you try to solve because my MFT/3 came with a guide rail which does exactly the same after I attached a measuring tape to it. Regards, Peter.
Hi Peter, Thank you for the feedback, sorry it didn’t hit the mark for you. I discussed at length in the review on the MK1 fence why it is an improvement over the Festool system, so this video was looking at the advantage of the MK1 not the Festool system. Cheers Andy
The biggest problem with the current MFT fences you cannot register off the back hole easily. The dogs from bench craft allow you to do it. This just simply builds upon their current fence dogs.
C) I don't think this product is really intended to replace the MTF/3 system, if you spend £600+ on it you'd hope the festool kit was already up to the job! I see it more as an alternative for folks who build there own benchs
Don’t forget that may folks buy the MFT without the accessory pack so don’t have a fence or rail. So that makes a great addition for those folks. Also in a small shop - one of the biggest complaints of the Festool kit is the space it takes up at the back of the table and the loss of cutting area on the bench itself. They are the very reasons I looked for an alternative set up a stumbled across Benchdog products many months ago. Cheers Andy
@Peter Wroblowski Some people make their own custom MFT's and they would need a system like that for the MFT accurate cuts. I made my own MFT as it was large and then had to get an engineering company to make up something similar to that. And it cost a lot more than $200. I also use the official MFT but the Benchdog system gives lots of flexibility. I would say if more people seen it they would be impressed.
I receently purchased the 1200 fence system mk2 and installing it on my Ron Paulk PSB that is 1824 mm wide. Can I extend the 1200 mm system to use on my 1824 mm MFT?
Sorry if I’m speaking out of turn but if you push the small extended fence back 1mm so the blade doesn’t catch it your measurement will be 251mm not 250mm or have I missed something. Just curious.
As promised, my take on an MFT fence, as part of a MFT build, is available on ruclips.net/video/UxTUyw58KqQ/видео.html As explained in my last comment it has extra features.
So...... is the rail now obsolete? That is probably my biggest issue with the MFT is the lack of squareness using the vertical adjustment of the rail. Always comes out of square no matter how many different ways I’ve attempted raising and lowering it. Rail dogs with the current fence are OK but this looks to be a much more superior system. Have you given up your mft stock rail?
Hi Dublin F Yes I moved away from the Festool rail system some time ago as I found the Benchdogs.co.uk system faster and more accurate with some additional benefits. Check out this video ruclips.net/video/exg5oUkB3fI/видео.html Cheers Andy
Hi Andy, Thanks so much for a very superior video. I don't know what I would have done without your video as I hadn't really a clue as to how to set this "beast" it up. Your no nonsense video explained everything I needed to know in a clear and concise way. Now that I have got my mits on one I can start grafting and making lots of sawdust with my new Benchdogs II fence. Awrabest awratime.
Andy, Great video like always... I have the original Benchdog fence, can both fences be used together (on either side of the rail)? Are they the same dimensions (thickness)?
Hi, Thank you for the feedback. Yes both fences are the same dimensions - so you can use them in this way. Benchdogs have just snuck in a version 2.1 (without telling us) they have upgraded the etching so the numbers are bigger and clearer - really great upgrade. I am also trying to convince Ralph to create a reverse scale - left to right, for doing exactly as you suggest - either side of the rail. Cheers Andy
why do your videos always come across as 'promos'? There is just too much selling a product and you take far too much time doing it. Have you noticed it takes 2 minutes before any video of yours actually starts anything near meaningful? I guess you're fully invested in the promotion; not enough viewers to get YT funding, but hey, there are the small prizes to go after.
@Angela Slaney There is no such thing as free. It has to cost somebody something. DO you complain about the using youtube for example considering that it is built on advertising or Google for that matter. No advertising no google it is that simple.
bighand69 thank you, It actually costs me money to build up the you tube Chanel - it doesn’t happen overnight - so you have to slowly build and invest. Angela’s comments are water off a ducks back - some people just like to comment, as is there right. Thank you for the support. Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter All set up & working now Andy, great bit of kit 👍. I'm currently using it with the B-Dogs Mini and the UJK Parf Dog Rail Clips. Cheers, Bill.
@@TheWoodgrafter The rail clips work fine, but the saw cut line runs through the centre of the dog holes, whereas using guide rail dogs as you do will shift the cut line between holes.
Great video, using the Benchdog MK2 fence and Festool guide, what is the maximum depth of cut you can achieve, or is that limited to the max depth of TS55 capacity? Thanks again, regards Andy
Hi It is limited by your track saw rather than the fence. You can cut wider stock with the Benchdogs solution as the Festool one encroaches into the MFT further. Cheers Andy
I guess the flag stop is unusable if the distance you want to cut is less than 200mm, unless you use a spacer added in-between the flag stop and the work piece, of a known length to make the length of the spacer plus the work piece equal to, or greater than 200mm.
Yes I have thought about that, what I am going to do is buy a second 200mmx19mm fence (when Ralph releases them) and use that as a stop under the rail. I can then use the flag on the bottom scale to set my cut width. I.E. set the flag stop to 10mm on the bottom scale. Then use the second mini fence against the flag stop then ref the stock against the mini fence. That will set the cut to 10mm So you can get fast repeatable cuts under the rail down to 1mm through the combination of flag and spare mini fence. If that made any sense whatsoever. Cheers Andy
@groundhogssplit The real issue is the track. How do you get stock under the track to be even and stable that is less than the size of the track and then there would be the issue of the stock moving around if it is smaller than the track. Now one solution might be some sort of feed bar that you can push the wood through. So you would need a flag stop type system with a bar that you can push through. So that you can feed the wood through not sure if it would work in practice though.
1 problem with under rail fence. If u need to do a bevel cut u need to remove it. Need to put a 50 degree angle on the end of it so saw don't cut into it. Then would not have to remove it.
Hi Andy, just about to build some garden furniture with many repeat cuts this is going to come in very handy. Just ordered with the code and looks like i had the last 1200mm version, so very happy. Cheers
Great job, I have just ordered two extra under rail fences, one to convert my other Mark 1 fence and one to use as a stop guide under the rail. So I can accurately cut stock less than 200mm that sits under the rail. Wish I had thought about that before I made the video. Enjoy Andy
I wanted to get into his system but the parf super dogs and guide pups were the answer for my shop. Love the chamfer collar and how they register in the hole...well a chamfered hole. Nice video nevertheless sir.
We have had a lot of emails regarding the chamfer part of which we have added to our quad dog range with the option to buy separately. The response has been great as users are using the quad dogs more and more due to their options of different sizes. 12, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60mm. With a more options and add ons using the bases. These are going to be a complete interchangeable system. Keep an eye out for the fence dogs using the same bases allowing to lock them in place without accessing the underside of the worktop. I’m sure you will see a video from Andy and others one day soon.
Bench Dogs ya I believe we emailed back and forth a while ago and I mentioned the chamfer. Nice to see you add it to you lineup. It’s a nice little feature that works really well.
CP Builds - Woodworking & DIY Hi all, I have some of the chamfer collars and have been trying them out on the quad dogs. They work a treat, more stability and stop the dog falling into the wood bin under the MFT when I forget to tighten them up (that’s an age thing) I will be chamfering the holes in the new bench build and fitting out all my quad dogs with these. I will make a short video on them in the near future. Cheers Andy
The Woodgrafter have to see how they compare to the Parf guide pups and super parf dog video I did. I may have had a little too much fun doing that video. Stereotypes may have been....never mind. I look forward to seeing it. Will he be making a chamfer tool as well? I have it but opted for the router. So much quicker.
Andy are you ever going to do a video on the Veritas Jack rabbet? I've got one but would just like to hear and see other people's thoughts on it not much on this about them? Cheers William Hope you and the family are well 👌
Hi William, Yes I can do that, I take it you have spotted it on the shelf in the background, and every now and then it comes into the video. It can be a tricky beast, but when you get it set up, it is one sweet tool. I initially bought it for raised panels, but then found it to be awesome on large tenons. Will schedule it in. Cheers Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter yes mate I noticed it ages ago on one of your other videos & forgot to mention it to you. Gd man looking forward to it 👍 That fence looks decent what do you reckon it would be like with the bench protectors used along side it?
LoL, no secrets on RUclips... The fence is great, if you don’t have a fence then this is a bible option. Even if you have a standard fence then the little extension makes it a good upgrade. I use the bench protectors a lot, not so much on cross cuts, but very often on the rip cuts when I don’t want to cut into the top (and tear out isn’t a problem on a rip cut). But yes, it works well with them. Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter nope 👀 everywhere 😂😂😂 No worries I will probably end up getting it then, alright if you change your tops out but I have a birch ply top and don't want to be cutting in to it. Catch up with you soon take it easy 👍
Hi, It actually stays at zero, the one is 1cm (10mm) mark. So just like any other rule, the other scale starts at 20 (from memory) allowing for the track depth Cheers Andy
With a track and the second scale it is a bit redundant. Although on the MK1 fence (pre the second scale) I used it and just added on the 20mm for the track. However, you can also use the fence on other things, mitre saw, table saw cross cut sledge etc. In those scenarios you would bring the zero up to the blade (and trim it back a bit so it doesn’t catch) And as you say - a handy rule :-) Cheers Andy
Hi Andy. Still in the fence between the bench dogs rail dogs and the parf rail clips. I wanted the bench dogs fence but not sure about the rail dogs because it looks like there are times that it is difficult to pull out from the holes whereas with the clips, you can just swing it out from the stock and lean it against the dogs. Thoughts?
Hi, For me, the clips have many pro’s and two cons. The Pro’s They are great value, they work with any 20mm dog, all rails and they keep the same tension on the rail so you always have an accurate cut. The cons The clips position the cut over the series of 20mm holes. So if you are going for a cross cut, and you use the MFT top as the zero clearance to stop tear (blow) out. Then the clips give you a challenge in that you have tear out every 96mm as you cut through a hole. The other issue with the clips is when you are cutting through thick stock - you need a variety of dogs to allow your track saw to clear the top of the dog but still allow the clips to mount on the dog and grip the rail. The rail dogs also have pros and cons The pro’s They adjust to any height of stock, the B collars (option) also allow you to pre-set stock thicknesses for more stability on narrow strips of stock. They are quick and easy to use, you leave them lose in the rail, put the rail in the holes and tighten up from under the rail. That avoids the situation you are talking about. The cut is positioned between the holes, so zero tear out. The cons Some people have reported they don’t always ctr in the rail, so you do have to check the squareness before the cut. Your stock width is limited by the distance between the dogs They can be a bit fiddly to lift in and out, even with them lose in the rail. You tend to use a wiggly motion. As for advice. Get both...... If I am making a cross cut that is going to be my finish cut, then I want the precision and the support of the bench dogs. I have 6 of these. Four have B collars set to the typical stock thicknesses 2 don’t have a b collar (as the stock thickness supports the rail at one end) If I want to break down stock and am not concerned about the finish cut - then the clips are the way to go. A few top protectors couple of dogs and clips and off you go. Ultimately, as always, it depends on the work you do. Fine woodworking needs precision and fine cuts - the rails dogs for me. General joinery needs speed and precision, but could sacrifice quality of cut (and don’t forget we are not talking a rubish cut) and as I have a range of dogs in different sizes - the clips for me. Hope I have helped, but more likely just got you spending more money :-) Let me know your thoughts. Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Thanks a lot for the detailed response! I created my own MFT top (60” x 36”) and made the offset holes as per Peter Parfitt’s advice when using the clips so it avoids the holes. I really like the rail dogs as they integrate well with the fence. It looks like, as you said, I have to buy both. I mostly do fine woodworking but do rough ones from time to time It just sucks that we don’t have benchdogs.co.uk products here in Canada locally to save a bit of money on the shipping. But the price looks like it’s worth it. Again, thanks for the detailed response Andy. Really appreciate it. Subscribed. Regards, Jay-Ar
Hi Woodcrafter. Thanks for all your great videos. Would you like to make an update to this video that explains how to install and setup the right hand fence that you can buy as an extra to this system to? Best wishes Anders from Denmark
Hi Anders Hope all is well with you, I don’t actually have the right hand fence - I’ll see if Ralph will lend me one and see what we can do. Cheers Andy
I built a similar system a few months ago. Except it is wider (so does not need clamp knobs underneath) and the part under the rail is integral, so does not need calibrating. Plus the scale is on the top, with a (zero adjustable) cursor, so you don't need to bend down to see the scale. It also has a hardwood end, to support the end of the work-piece against tearout. Video on the system out at the weekend!
Is the FenceSystem only attachable at the Head of the Table or can you mount it at the front? I use a a table with 1.74 meters (68inches), there it does not make sense to mount the system at the head end.
@@MarcoEhlertWoodworker Hi, I have tried watching your video on the XXL MFT to understand your question. 1. The fence needs to be 90° to your cutline. If you change your cutline you will have to rotate the fence to follow. 2. You should have the waste side to the right of the rail with your Bosch saw. You can do opposite but the right hand support from Benchdog only references app 30 cm. 3. You do not need the fence to be fully supported. E.g. if you have it on the shorter side of the bench. Though you need at least to attach two fence dogs to the MFT top. But I think you have enough holes.
Hi, what I don’t like is a) the content starts at 2:00, b) the whole video is simply advertising for benchdog products without additional insights from actually using it and c) it is not clear to me what problem you try to solve because my MFT/3 came with a guide rail which does exactly the same after I attached a measuring tape to it. Regards, Peter.
Hi Peter,
Thank you for the feedback, sorry it didn’t hit the mark for you.
I discussed at length in the review on the MK1 fence why it is an improvement over the Festool system, so this video was looking at the advantage of the MK1 not the Festool system.
Cheers
Andy
The biggest problem with the current MFT fences you cannot register off the back hole easily. The dogs from bench craft allow you to do it. This just simply builds upon their current fence dogs.
C) I don't think this product is really intended to replace the MTF/3 system, if you spend £600+ on it you'd hope the festool kit was already up to the job! I see it more as an alternative for folks who build there own benchs
Don’t forget that may folks buy the MFT without the accessory pack so don’t have a fence or rail. So that makes a great addition for those folks.
Also in a small shop - one of the biggest complaints of the Festool kit is the space it takes up at the back of the table and the loss of cutting area on the bench itself.
They are the very reasons I looked for an alternative set up a stumbled across Benchdog products many months ago.
Cheers
Andy
@Peter Wroblowski
Some people make their own custom MFT's and they would need a system like that for the MFT accurate cuts.
I made my own MFT as it was large and then had to get an engineering company to make up something similar to that. And it cost a lot more than $200.
I also use the official MFT but the Benchdog system gives lots of flexibility. I would say if more people seen it they would be impressed.
Thanks you for watching this video, pretty excited about this. Hope you enjoy.
I receently purchased the 1200 fence system mk2 and installing it on my Ron Paulk PSB that is 1824 mm wide. Can I extend the 1200 mm system to use on my 1824 mm MFT?
Hi Roger,
Ralph over at Benchdogs uses to sell extensions for these.
Would be worthwhile pinging him to see if he can help.
Andy
Sorry if I’m speaking out of turn but if you push the small extended fence back 1mm so the blade doesn’t catch it your measurement will be 251mm not 250mm or have I missed something. Just curious.
Hi, good question,
The fence is calibrated to allow for the 1mm gap. It starts at 1mm rather than 0mm.
Cheers
Andy
As promised, my take on an MFT fence, as part of a MFT build, is available on ruclips.net/video/UxTUyw58KqQ/видео.html As explained in my last comment it has extra features.
Thank you for that
Desperately under subscribed channel 😢👍
So...... is the rail now obsolete? That is probably my biggest issue with the MFT is the lack of squareness using the vertical adjustment of the rail. Always comes out of square no matter how many different ways I’ve attempted raising and lowering it. Rail dogs with the current fence are OK but this looks to be a much more superior system. Have you given up your mft stock rail?
Hi Dublin F
Yes I moved away from the Festool rail system some time ago as I found the Benchdogs.co.uk system faster and more accurate with some additional benefits.
Check out this video ruclips.net/video/exg5oUkB3fI/видео.html
Cheers
Andy
Hi Andy,
Thanks so much for a very superior video. I don't know what I would have done without your video as I hadn't really a clue as to how to set this "beast" it up. Your no nonsense video explained everything I needed to know in a clear and concise way.
Now that I have got my mits on one I can start grafting and making lots of sawdust with my new Benchdogs II fence.
Awrabest awratime.
Thank you,
It is a really good system, and when you have it set up very accurate as well.
And wonderful use of the term “grafting”
Cheers
Andy
Andy, Great video like always... I have the original Benchdog fence, can both fences be used together (on either side of the rail)? Are they the same dimensions (thickness)?
Hi,
Thank you for the feedback. Yes both fences are the same dimensions - so you can use them in this way. Benchdogs have just snuck in a version 2.1 (without telling us) they have upgraded the etching so the numbers are bigger and clearer - really great upgrade.
I am also trying to convince Ralph to create a reverse scale - left to right, for doing exactly as you suggest - either side of the rail.
Cheers
Andy
Great review and great product! Thank you!
Cheers Doc
Regards
Andy
why do your videos always come across as 'promos'? There is just too much selling a product and you take far too much time doing it. Have you noticed it takes 2 minutes before any video of yours actually starts anything near meaningful? I guess you're fully invested in the promotion; not enough viewers to get YT funding, but hey, there are the small prizes to go after.
Thanks Angela,
Good input.
Cheers
Andy
@Angela Slaney
There is no such thing as free. It has to cost somebody something. DO you complain about the using youtube for example considering that it is built on advertising or Google for that matter. No advertising no google it is that simple.
bighand69 thank you,
It actually costs me money to build up the you tube Chanel - it doesn’t happen overnight - so you have to slowly build and invest.
Angela’s comments are water off a ducks back - some people just like to comment, as is there right.
Thank you for the support.
Andy
Very timely video Andy, my Mk2 fence arrived yesterday afternoon so looking forward to setting it up today.
Nice,
Let me know how you get on.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter All set up & working now Andy, great bit of kit 👍. I'm currently using it with the B-Dogs Mini and the UJK Parf Dog Rail Clips.
Cheers, Bill.
Idler's Dream
Great news, how do the rail clips work with the system - are they a value add ?
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter The rail clips work fine, but the saw cut line runs through the centre of the dog holes, whereas using guide rail dogs as you do will shift the cut line between holes.
1m + 20 mm is not equal to 1.2m. Perhaps you meant to say 1 m + 200 mm =1.2 m?
Sorry didn’t realise I said that must have missed it in the editing.
Thank you for picking it up, yes the short rail is 200mm 20cm.
Cheers
Andy
Great video, using the Benchdog MK2 fence and Festool guide, what is the maximum depth of cut you can achieve, or is that limited to the max depth of TS55 capacity? Thanks again, regards Andy
Hi
It is limited by your track saw rather than the fence. You can cut wider stock with the Benchdogs solution as the Festool one encroaches into the MFT further.
Cheers
Andy
The Woodgrafter, thanks Andy, that’s what I was hoping you’d say. Thanks for the reply.
No problems
I guess the flag stop is unusable if the distance you want to cut is less than 200mm, unless you use a spacer added in-between the flag stop and the work piece, of a known length to make the length of the spacer plus the work piece equal to, or greater than 200mm.
Yes I have thought about that, what I am going to do is buy a second 200mmx19mm fence (when Ralph releases them) and use that as a stop under the rail.
I can then use the flag on the bottom scale to set my cut width. I.E. set the flag stop to 10mm on the bottom scale. Then use the second mini fence against the flag stop then ref the stock against the mini fence. That will set the cut to 10mm
So you can get fast repeatable cuts under the rail down to 1mm through the combination of flag and spare mini fence.
If that made any sense whatsoever.
Cheers
Andy
Wouldn't a piece of scrap cut to 200mm be just as good?
@groundhogssplit
The real issue is the track. How do you get stock under the track to be even and stable that is less than the size of the track and then there would be the issue of the stock moving around if it is smaller than the track.
Now one solution might be some sort of feed bar that you can push the wood through.
So you would need a flag stop type system with a bar that you can push through. So that you can feed the wood through not sure if it would work in practice though.
1 problem with under rail fence. If u need to do a bevel cut u need to remove it. Need to put a 50 degree angle on the end of it so saw don't cut into it. Then would not have to remove it.
Hi, thank you for the tip,
It sounds about right.
Cheers
Andy
You could just calibrate the scale with a small known offset so the blade would clear the under rail fence.
It only has an accuracy of 5 microns. Well I mean how am I suppose to measure the bacterium in the wood.
Exactly.
I did tell Ralph he needs to up his game - but some folks just don’t listen.
We will just have to compromise.
Andy
Hi Andy, just about to build some garden furniture with many repeat cuts this is going to come in very handy. Just ordered with the code and looks like i had the last 1200mm version, so very happy.
Cheers
Great job,
I have just ordered two extra under rail fences, one to convert my other Mark 1 fence and one to use as a stop guide under the rail. So I can accurately cut stock less than 200mm that sits under the rail.
Wish I had thought about that before I made the video.
Enjoy
Andy
Oww That’s a great idea using an extra one as a guide stop 🤔.
@@TheWoodgrafter what would you attach the under rail stop to?
I wanted to get into his system but the parf super dogs and guide pups were the answer for my shop. Love the chamfer collar and how they register in the hole...well a chamfered hole. Nice video nevertheless sir.
Thanks for this,
Nothing wrong with the Parf system - at the end of the day if it does what you need - then you are in good shape.
Cheers
Andy
We have had a lot of emails regarding the chamfer part of which we have added to our quad dog range with the option to buy separately. The response has been great as users are using the quad dogs more and more due to their options of different sizes. 12, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60mm. With a more options and add ons using the bases. These are going to be a complete interchangeable system. Keep an eye out for the fence dogs using the same bases allowing to lock them in place without accessing the underside of the worktop. I’m sure you will see a video from Andy and others one day soon.
Bench Dogs ya I believe we emailed back and forth a while ago and I mentioned the chamfer. Nice to see you add it to you lineup. It’s a nice little feature that works really well.
CP Builds - Woodworking & DIY
Hi all,
I have some of the chamfer collars and have been trying them out on the quad dogs.
They work a treat, more stability and stop the dog falling into the wood bin under the MFT when I forget to tighten them up (that’s an age thing)
I will be chamfering the holes in the new bench build and fitting out all my quad dogs with these.
I will make a short video on them in the near future.
Cheers
Andy
The Woodgrafter have to see how they compare to the Parf guide pups and super parf dog video I did. I may have had a little too much fun doing that video. Stereotypes may have been....never mind. I look forward to seeing it. Will he be making a chamfer tool as well? I have it but opted for the router. So much quicker.
Yet another informative review and yes just ordered based on this so no pressure 😂 again thanks for the access to a discount code Andy. Cheers Steve
Ah, that could go wrong…..
Andy are you ever going to do a video on the Veritas Jack rabbet? I've got one but would just like to hear and see other people's thoughts on it not much on this about them?
Cheers
William
Hope you and the family are well 👌
Hi William,
Yes I can do that, I take it you have spotted it on the shelf in the background, and every now and then it comes into the video.
It can be a tricky beast, but when you get it set up, it is one sweet tool.
I initially bought it for raised panels, but then found it to be awesome on large tenons.
Will schedule it in.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter yes mate I noticed it ages ago on one of your other videos & forgot to mention it to you.
Gd man looking forward to it 👍
That fence looks decent what do you reckon it would be like with the bench protectors used along side it?
LoL, no secrets on RUclips...
The fence is great, if you don’t have a fence then this is a bible option. Even if you have a standard fence then the little extension makes it a good upgrade.
I use the bench protectors a lot, not so much on cross cuts, but very often on the rip cuts when I don’t want to cut into the top (and tear out isn’t a problem on a rip cut).
But yes, it works well with them.
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter nope 👀 everywhere 😂😂😂
No worries I will probably end up getting it then, alright if you change your tops out but I have a birch ply top and don't want to be cutting in to it.
Catch up with you soon take it easy 👍
Hi Andy, great video, but I'm wondering what the second scale is for? the one that starts at 1?
Hi,
It actually stays at zero, the one is 1cm (10mm) mark.
So just like any other rule, the other scale starts at 20 (from memory) allowing for the track depth
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter thanks, any idea how the second scale would be used. Or is it just a handy ruler?
With a track and the second scale it is a bit redundant. Although on the MK1 fence (pre the second scale) I used it and just added on the 20mm for the track.
However, you can also use the fence on other things, mitre saw, table saw cross cut sledge etc.
In those scenarios you would bring the zero up to the blade (and trim it back a bit so it doesn’t catch)
And as you say - a handy rule :-)
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Great, I thought I was missing something on the fence. Manny thanks.
Cool,
Glad I could help.
great video thanks
Hi Andy. Still in the fence between the bench dogs rail dogs and the parf rail clips. I wanted the bench dogs fence but not sure about the rail dogs because it looks like there are times that it is difficult to pull out from the holes whereas with the clips, you can just swing it out from the stock and lean it against the dogs. Thoughts?
Hi,
For me, the clips have many pro’s and two cons.
The Pro’s
They are great value, they work with any 20mm dog, all rails and they keep the same tension on the rail so you always have an accurate cut.
The cons
The clips position the cut over the series of 20mm holes. So if you are going for a cross cut, and you use the MFT top as the zero clearance to stop tear (blow) out. Then the clips give you a challenge in that you have tear out every 96mm as you cut through a hole.
The other issue with the clips is when you are cutting through thick stock - you need a variety of dogs to allow your track saw to clear the top of the dog but still allow the clips to mount on the dog and grip the rail.
The rail dogs also have pros and cons
The pro’s
They adjust to any height of stock, the B collars (option) also allow you to pre-set stock thicknesses for more stability on narrow strips of stock.
They are quick and easy to use, you leave them lose in the rail, put the rail in the holes and tighten up from under the rail. That avoids the situation you are talking about.
The cut is positioned between the holes, so zero tear out.
The cons
Some people have reported they don’t always ctr in the rail, so you do have to check the squareness before the cut.
Your stock width is limited by the distance between the dogs
They can be a bit fiddly to lift in and out, even with them lose in the rail. You tend to use a wiggly motion.
As for advice. Get both......
If I am making a cross cut that is going to be my finish cut, then I want the precision and the support of the bench dogs. I have 6 of these. Four have B collars set to the typical stock thicknesses 2 don’t have a b collar (as the stock thickness supports the rail at one end)
If I want to break down stock and am not concerned about the finish cut - then the clips are the way to go. A few top protectors couple of dogs and clips and off you go.
Ultimately, as always, it depends on the work you do.
Fine woodworking needs precision and fine cuts - the rails dogs for me.
General joinery needs speed and precision, but could sacrifice quality of cut (and don’t forget we are not talking a rubish cut) and as I have a range of dogs in different sizes - the clips for me.
Hope I have helped, but more likely just got you spending more money :-)
Let me know your thoughts.
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Thanks a lot for the detailed response!
I created my own MFT top (60” x 36”) and made the offset holes as per Peter Parfitt’s advice when using the clips so it avoids the holes.
I really like the rail dogs as they integrate well with the fence. It looks like, as you said, I have to buy both. I mostly do fine woodworking but do rough ones from time to time
It just sucks that we don’t have benchdogs.co.uk products here in Canada locally to save a bit of money on the shipping. But the price looks like it’s worth it.
Again, thanks for the detailed response Andy. Really appreciate it. Subscribed.
Regards,
Jay-Ar
Hi Woodcrafter.
Thanks for all your great videos.
Would you like to make an update to this video that explains how to install and setup the right hand fence that you can buy as an extra to this system to?
Best wishes Anders from Denmark
Hi Anders
Hope all is well with you, I don’t actually have the right hand fence - I’ll see if Ralph will lend me one and see what we can do.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter That would be great 👍 I'm sure Ralph is up for it. Thanks mate
👍
As usual, very high quality review.
Thank you for the very kind feedback.
Andy
You beat me to first post
To be fair I had insider knowledge.
Cheers
Andy
"t-slot"
OK
@@TheWoodgrafter and "80/20" also makes some fine parts.
Yes,
I have been looking at that to make a slab flattening jig.
Cheers
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter the way to get the low prices from them is to get from eBay.
Cool, thanks for the tip. I’ll look into that.
Andy
I built a similar system a few months ago. Except it is wider (so does not need clamp knobs underneath) and the part under the rail is integral, so does not need calibrating. Plus the scale is on the top, with a (zero adjustable) cursor, so you don't need to bend down to see the scale. It also has a hardwood end, to support the end of the work-piece against tearout. Video on the system out at the weekend!
Thanks Mike,
Look forward to it.
Cheers
Andy
Is the FenceSystem only attachable at the Head of the Table or can you mount it at the front? I use a a table with 1.74 meters (68inches), there it does not make sense to mount the system at the head end.
Hi Marco,
You can mount the fence anywhere on the table, it works on the 20mm grid system.
Regards
Andy
The Woodgrafter Thank you. And then can I also use the scale on the other side?
Not 100% sure why you are asking ?
Regards
Andy
The Woodgrafter If you see my MFT, you understand what I mean. Look at my Video or on Instagram.
@@MarcoEhlertWoodworker Hi, I have tried watching your video on the XXL MFT to understand your question.
1. The fence needs to be 90° to your cutline. If you change your cutline you will have to rotate the fence to follow.
2. You should have the waste side to the right of the rail with your Bosch saw. You can do opposite but the right hand support from Benchdog only references app 30 cm.
3. You do not need the fence to be fully supported. E.g. if you have it on the shorter side of the bench. Though you need at least to attach two fence dogs to the MFT top. But I think you have enough holes.