Labour launch their manifesto: but is there really any 'change'? | The News Agents
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Labour has launched a 25,000 word manifesto and as promised, there were no new rabbits and no hats.
What we saw in Manchester was a newly confident Labour leader who barely paused in his answers to media questions: his lines were to script, his answers brief, and his stories well honed. But there were noticeable gaps in Labour's offering.
Only two brief mentions of child poverty, and no restoration of the benefit to families of 3 children.
That's despite another 100 thousand kids being pushed into poverty in the last year alone. Labour talks about 'hard choices' - but if this isn't a Labour priority, what is? We ask Labour's Peter Kyle what happens to those kids if the promised 'growth in the economy' doesnt come fast.
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Thank you for calling Peter out Emily, I’m shout at my TV screen alongside your frustrations about child poverty.
Tax the rich, quit making the poor pay for the rich.
From the equality trust:
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The UK has very high inequality of income compared to other developed countries; the 9th most unequal incomes of 38 OECD countries (OECD, 2022).
The UK’s wealth inequality is much more severe than income inequality, with the top fifth taking 36% of the country’s income and 63% of the country’s wealth, while the bottom fifth have only 8% of the income and only 0.5% of the wealth according to the Office for National Statistics.
Inequality of wealth and income fell during the 20th century, but began rising again in the 1980s.
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The Lib Dem and Greens at least pledged to tax a bit more the 1 percent top earners. What is Labour doing to reduce inequalities?
It seems to me the idea of growing the economy, without more equal distribution is not far from the so-called trickle down economy advocated by the Tories.
Hopefully, Labour will go further than what they say in their manifesto (i.e. what they don't say.)
Peter needs to watch this interview and try and see how this looks to normal people. We're talking hungry children here and he's dancing around the question.
Wealth taxes now.
Tax the south!
At your Q&A tomorrow are you going to ask everyone about child poverty as it featured so heavily today?
I thought it was quite radical no false promises and a reminder the country won't be turned around in a couple of months and in my opinion a clear vision of how thing's could change I'll be voting Labour .
Not falling apart is not change, it's the bare minimum. There's a massive void in the Labour offer in what happens next, and in that void lives millions and millions of people who need ACTUAL change.
@@Buckley22uk I suspect that small matter of £2.7T national debt might have something to do with this...
@@tomnorton7817 we stuck a third of that into the economy during COVID and it primarily ended up in the bank accounts of the super rich...... One might say you could make a massive Change to our national debt by repatriating some of those billions back into the treasury so we're not coughing up vast sums servicing debt. Just a thought....
@@Buckley22uk I'm not disagreeing with you, but until Labour is at the helm it's rather difficult to promise anything on the financial front. To me it looks like a manifesto they feel they can 100% deliver, and then if they're able to do more they are in a positon of overachieving, not under. I'm definitely prepared to give them a chance to perform. They will need a record to defend in 2029.
When you're only promised the bare minimum by a politician then expect to receive less than F*ck all....
Think of what the money, our tax payer's money that is spent appeasing lobbyists and on arms manufacture could do for our country. All those billions of pounds could be spent to improve our crumbling infrastructure, help get the homeless off the streets, build more houses, sort out our NHS, social care and improve the lives of our citizens and so on. The 1%s might even be let off paying more taxes? I say give Diplomacy a chance. Instead of boming people out of their homes, which in itself creates the immigration problem and gravely contributes to climate changes. STOP BURNING OUR HARD EARNED MONEY.
To quote Ed Vaizey: "Labour is now centre-right unlike Corbyn, so a Starmer government wouldn't be all bad". The manifesto confirms this, reminds me of Blair.
This growth thing doesn't work. Just put up taxes for super-rich, corperations (big), support SMEs and start to invest in public services and people and where we live.
Its a joke, JC had the answers and we tried to label him as extreme.
Tax land ( not gardens) . It's going nowhere and people will always want it
Got fed up with that discussion so what about Tories gambling on date of GE.
The more things change etc
Interesting that he doesn’t comment on interest on boe reserves held by banks
Probably because the banks will pass that on to the consumers
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Soapy sounds upset that Labour are leading
A boring, nothing manifesto. Labour is only likely to win because we hate the Tories. Could have been radical on things that cost nothing.
Seeing they will have focus grouped this manifesto a lot, the simple answer of why something isn't focused on is that the core target voter demographic they need to get elected doesn't care. A manifesto is nomise to anyone if you don't get elected and if we look at the last labour government they did an awful lot more for children and poverty once they were in power then their manifesto said.
Child benefit was designed to keep children out of poverty. Imagine just accepting child poverty.how mealy mouthed
It's not so much a robotic voice, he just sounds like he can't shift a cold.
Reminds me of the old Tunes advert 'second class return to dottingham please'. Regardless, it's bad form to focus on someone's apeech impediment.
@@PaulStargasm Agreed. In this case though, it's less of an impediment and more natural tonality. It won't be an easy listen for the next 5 years in PMQs (assuming Labour win), but then again, when is it.
If you are so concerned about child poverty then please say how you personally are helping.
How about you make it work before you focus on wealth
It's fine for you Emily, we get it. You're set for life. It won't be your concern if taxpayer money goes to people who choose to have as many kids as they like at the working taxpayer's expense without the ability to effectively budget for it.
Whereas their children totally asked to be born to people who can't afford to feed them and should be punished via malnutrition for not having the foresight to be born as royalty. Irresponsible and, frankly, childish of them.
As far as I’m concerned two children are enough in this modern world. Cold hearted probably but life is just so expensive now. Be realistic of your wants and PLAN your life as much as you can.
@annaclarke7643 I mean I feel like you're seeing these children and commodities that need maintenance instead of human beings who are entitled to food and water via our laws. My parents died suddenly when i was 19, leaving me with custody of my sisters. Please enlighten me as to how i could have planned for this.
@@fightthepowerman All I am suggesting is that having children is a very important decision, and being honest about your ability to meet all the modern demands of looking after your family should be part of the decision making. Family planning is not a new concept. I think the British believe that their government can look after everyone from cradle to grave. This is not the reality anymore.
@@annaclarke7643 ....and the people who don't choose to have children? You can't answer my question can you. You would have consigned me and my 3 sisters, 2 of which were under 10, to poverty wouldn't you. But you can justify it by just thinking "well its not my choice. Its just how the system works."
Scrapping the child benefit cap will cost less then 1% of the _wealthfare budget._ Not even the budget in total. It could be covered by cabinet MPs switching from Jaguars to Skodas. Its such a small amount of money with such a big impact.
Really seems like you're seeing these living human beings, literally the most vulnerable group of people we have, as nothing but a drain on our society. Is it not in our own interests to feed children? Are they not people? How is this not advocating for punishing the son for the sins of the father? You realise we feed literally every other kind of person who can't afford or manage to feed themselves? Or maybe the parents of the non-verbal autistic man should have planned ahead for having a dependent for 40 years?
Get real
The only change is the name of the party in charge
Makes you wonder why before being shadow health secretary why Streeting was made shadow child poverty secretary…?
Clear Peter doesn’t care about children in poverty. Delights in it even
@dondoodat at best it came across like he doesn’t care. All he cared about was getting people into work. What about disabled people unable to work? What’s the plan?
@dondoodat the fact was Peter completely refused to even answer the specific question on the 2 child cap.
The fact is Starmer created then abolished a role specifically about child poverty.
No whatsboutery. Disabled people unable to work are also in poverty. What is the plan to alleviate poverty?
Labour talk about wealth creation. Where will that wealth go? Because unless there is distribution it won’t go to those in poverty
A poverty tolerant, anti-tax raising, anti-muslim, anti-left conservative party vs. the Tories.
That Labour bloke was infuriating. Typical tactic of flood the situation with meaningless words to chew time up.
Emily is a great journalist. One of our best. However this constant Brexit bashing and Brexit is the reason for all our woes is so tiring.
Agree. We all know it's bad but even if 100% of the population wanted back in, we aint getting in anytime soon so why waste focus on it. The best we can do is closer ties with europe and no more moggy bonfire of regulations so we don't deviate further, the first of which Starmer has said he wants.
The UK is in such a 'don't talk about brexit' mindset that everyone that uses the word gets criticism. And that in the country that can't stop talking about the world wars or 1966 as if they happened yesterday. John went back to Gordon Brown and Sure Start, and that's ok, but going back to the single biggest thing the UK did the last few decades, o no, that's bad form.
I listened to the complete thing and I never perceived that Brexit was an important part of the conversation.
Starmer has accepted Conservative tax and spending plans. No borrowing for capital investment projects. It's too similar to the Conservatives. I'm proudly voting Liberal Democrats because they are taxing fossil fuel companies, and they want to sort out sewage in our rivers
Politics really is dead 😕
Kids can't eat word salad
Kids can't eat at all.
Seems he is not that worried about kinds not eating….
The Labour manifesto is simply not radical enough. However, I’d sooner they form a government than any of their competitors (with the possible exception of the Lib Dem party). One can only hope that, once the country’s finances improve and stabilise, that Labour will introduce some genuine socialist policies.
They are bought and for by the super rich eg Wes Streeting accepts £200K from private healthcare and surprise surprise wants to increase privatisation of the NHS.
So highly unlikely they will do anything socialist. They are corrupt charlatans!
So if parents are disabled and unable to work, and have more than 2 children, labour aren't addressing the lives of poverty for those children. Because, apparently only people who are in work right now matter.
i can't see the difference in economic terms between labour and tories.
There is no difference between the Conservatives and Labour! Almost indistinguishable 😮
Oh FFS, I dont know if I can stand 5 years of Peter Filibuster not answering clear and obvious questions!
That was 10 minutes of my head screaming "shut up , shut up, shut up, shut up,..."
Love this 😀 show thanks ❤
Lol great Starmer impression Jon !
Too cautious.
Think thos is poor and a bit disingenuous, and unnecessary raising of the voice by emily at the 18 minute mark. John even said at the start that there was a while list of things that need tackling and they voth focus in just on the minor mentioning of child povilerty in the manifesto. So it is in there then. But it's a manifeso not war and peace ffs.
I am usually very skeptical of labour, but I can't really fault labour for looking at this holistically/pragmatically rather than chasing 'headline' policies without substance ( and who decides at the moment what is 'headline'-worthy?) That doesn't mean I'm confident in Starmer's/Labour's ultimate intuition/judgement when push comes to shove, but let's see. I do think that sometimes the (ultimately bubbled/elite) media class sometimes fall back on outdated modes/frameworks of economic thinking, the same frameworks which are precisely the reason we face a dysfunctional society with child poverty increasing. Britain's decay has partly been due to the reification of the economy and simplified political/economic narratives - of spending limits, budget spend up or down, borrowing from the gilt market, as if it's the weather - which rather than conceptualising the issues usefully, simply justify/obfuscate the ways that the economy, as it is in the real world, is exploitative. It's the same economic mode of thinking that lost touch with reality in 2008 and Truss, and ultimately rationalises/obscures rather than alleviates, economic exploitation. A big hurdle for success is also being able to navigate the global economy and the current trajectory of deglobalisation, but with labour's foreign policy being kept so secretive, I do wonder if they have a plan at all
Well done John and Emily for holding labour's feet to the fire on this. They can afford to end child poverty and are choosing not to. It's utterly disgusting.
Would you prefer the Tories with 12.5 billion in welfare cuts?
Perhaps Reform selling off what's left in the NHS and next to no welfare?
No they can't. That's the whole point. Which is why his focus is on growing the economy. If they had a policy in there to lift the cap on child poverty they would be attacking him for saying it's unfunded.
If you have more than 2 children you are making a personal choice and taking financial risk. I stopped at two because of financial factors. Why should I pay for other peoples’ decisions.
The point people are making (although obviously not clearly) is that this approach to the issue you identify punishes the innocent child. Your view comes from a olace of 'personal reaponsibility' which is traditionally a tory viewpoint, which is why then people suggest there's no difference between the parties.
So the children should be punished for something completely out of their control? You seem nice!
If he obfuscates and says fundamental one more time I’m going to vote Green in a Labour marginal
Id vote Green
So much though would be solved with Proportional Representation, because FPTP can't continue what with the factors to win a seat for the SNP are different to any third party trying to win in England & to some degree, Wales plus we're seeing, like it or not, genuine 3rd parties in England with the Greens + Reform (with the SNP and Plaid in Scotland & Wales respectfully) leaving aside the Lib Dems.
Its been said since Bevin vs Bevan, indeed since the Era of the ILP, LP & the likes of Tribune Group then to likes of Militant et. al. that the modern LAB Party is a coalition of sorts (indeed, LAB-CoOp MP's mark it as such).
The Tories could be going the same way vis-à-vis One Nation Tories vs ERG/Reform-lite minded members.
What, in these days, does FPTP do to keep people engaged? Am I voting LAB to get the Tories out only to end up with a Hugh Gaitskill-era LAB party? No bad thing in many ways, certainly better than a Bennite proposition or another Tory administration, but does that satisfy say those looking for, at the very least, some sort of accommodation of Roy Jenkins-style members & supporters?
How long before a Lee Anderson type comes into the Labour Party and tries to run on a ticket of "Blue Labour" as outlined by the likes of Paul Embury et. al.? Feels like it could happen.
Sounds to me that they're going continue the squeeze on disabled people, it's not like they haven't already endured the last 14 years of cuts and demonisation. As a disabled person, I survived the austerity years and I don't think it fair to undergo such hardship again.
Are the Labour Party no longer claiming that their government will be as impactful as the Labour government after Second World War, which was a narrative they allowed to run for sometime awhile ago?
Getting growth with the EU is going to be much, much harder when the latest EU elections have pushed the European Parliament to a protectionist right, Emily.
Why do you think the key to growth is the EU?! It’s the most economically stagnant continent in the world! 🤡😂
When we told Labour to start acting like a government, we didn't mean the 2010 Tory government.
Vote Green for real change
2010 was a Coalition with the LibDems.
I'm always distracted by Emily's poor lobes. She likes those heavy weight earrings! :))
Thick on purpose or spewing propaganda; will never know
and now they sound just like the tories :(
Why only 2 mentions of child poverty?
How many children are watching?
Why use big words if more than half the nation don’t understand them?
Well they did say Starmer had reduced his vocabulary during the campaign.
Beware a Labour party promising to do little.
That's what Blair and Brown said in 1997 and wr got social revolution.
It's an easy job finding faults with other people's ideas. But where are yours.
Labour don't have to dazzle. Just walk a steady line and they'll walk it. Just be the grown-ups after 14 years if absolute chaos.
Yep, Australia's Labor Party had the same game plan in 2022, after nine years of conservative government: attack the government's record, and promise modest changes so that voters don't get spooked. It was called Labor's small-target strategy - and it worked, Labor won.
Think Peter’s right in Lab looking at the key drivers of poverty & sorting structural issues etc. But this takes time & is longer term. They can make a huge difference immediately with direct child benefits & win a lot of support amongst base too. Maybe go half way eg. target child benefit so means tested & say for 3rd child. Many are saying not every child needs breakfast club so can target that too so free to those on free school meals only & others can contribute. Hunt is extending child benefit to households on inc of £120k ceiling - which is crazy! Lab ought to have a floor at whatever level £15-£20k below which no child should fall. Crazy for Lab to be dogmatic on this, maybe Torsten Bell if elected, will help them see this.
Peter K is right to stress the need to address the fundamentals of the UK economy. But he's turning a stupidly deaf ear to the topic of child poverty. Fast in fixing the fundamentals means five to 10 years to get noticeable results. Doing something in July to address child poverty should have been in the Labour manifesto.
Child "Dave next door has a nicer car". Not "poverty" as defined by 99% of human history.
Emily loves Snoopy!
She's like a 10 year old girl, pathetic
13:53 Sounds like five pledges.
13:58 Whenever I hear an labour MP utter the word 'Failure' it is usually followed by the word 'Tory'.
I think Nigel Farage's father was Keir Stamer's father.. what a tool 😅
If anyone from Labour is reading these comments. I'm a probable Labour voter, but this guy and this response to this question makes me want to vote Lib Dems or Greens. If I had to listen to this guy or more of this sort of evasion to a direct and simple question, I'd eat my voting slip before I'd vote for Labour.
So, saying "child" 3 times is enough? Silly woman.
You have completely missed the point. Silly person.
@@RichWoods23 And you have completely missed the sarcasm. Nice try, no points.
@@EarthCitizen3 If that was meant to be sarcastic it was an abysmal attempt. Far more likely that you're now just trying to excuse your error. "But... but... I was joking! You can't take a joke!"
I think they missed a word on their leaflet. Can't decide if it's No change or Short change.
I'm getting so fed up with Labour MPs acting as if keeping the same polices we've had for years is some how a change.
At least Liz Truss will be happy that Labour are talking about growth ad infinitum.
According to these rwo the words missed were 'child poverty' even though they say it's mentioned rwice'.
It's 41 years since I voted Labour. They'll certainly not get it year years either. Their stance on the EU and that of Scottish Independence are only two issues that are absolute red lines for me and many, many others.
Vote for the Starmer Party (I refuse to call it Labour) and all you get is Tories with red ties.
Will smarmy Starmer be our first national socialist party leader?
This is a bit ike Obama's hope and change, without the hope.
How utterly depressing this all is.
Surely, if it is change you want you should vote Reform. Labour or Tories are just more of the same.
No way, vote for a far right party, please tell me you have fully researched Reform and their candidates?
How are Labour and the Tories the same the difference between them is profound .
Reform want to privatise the NHS and their manifesto has cuts to public services of 5% and tax cuts to the wealthy. It’s a change alright but one I’ll fight against every day
@@pip1723 I absolutely don't agree with the OP. I would however take a look at a website called politicalcompass (can't include hyperlink of course). You'll be surprised as to how close Labour and Conservative appear to be.
@@pip1723what is the difference between this Labour Party and the 2010 era Conservative Party? The only thing that is different is the Overton Window has shifted further to the right.