Zappa IS a little messy...and that's ok. People that like Zappa's guitar work like it because of the SPIRIT in it. If you ever saw Zappa live, you'd understand... he was a Shaman... a tonal wizard. I have been in audiences of up to 30,000 people watching Zappa with their mouths hanging open and their eyes glazed over from being hypnotized by his playing...I'VE FELT it, myself....tons of times. I remember that during the 1980 and 81 and 82 shows...I was on the edge of my seat, waiting for the next Zappa hypnotism session (There was usually about 5 or 6 of the 8 solo's per night that would qualify) and just sit back and be taken away by his playing. Watching Zappa in Sept. and Dec. 1981....sit on the edge of the stage.. right next to the audience in Santa Cruz... and then again later in the tour in Berkely... during the second part of The Drowning Witch solo, is one of my cherished memories. Zappa with his feet dangling over the edge of the stage, like Huckelberry Finn...as he ripped the shit out of a Stratocaster.
Greatest visceral player in history. Being in the top 3 composers of all time helped his ability to create always original air sculptures in every repeated song he performed. Listen to Zappa guitar solos 28/10 solos. Best compilation of all time, in ANY genre, not just Franks. Even better than the shut up series. .
Good for you to cover this. I've seen most of your Zappa reactions. I think you've always had an appreciation but now you are gaining a perspective. I think Zappa was more influential as an innovator and not because of his cool guitar licks. Like Andy Edwards states, Zappa's playing is more based on his knowledge as a composer. He would take off in different modes, time signatures; occasionally pushing himself beyond his technique. I don't think he wanted polished technically correct guitar solos; he wanted something interesting to happen.
Frank almost always had someone like Vai, Belew, White, Keneally to do the technically correct and written guitar gymnastics anyway (though they were expected to improvise as well). Frank was much more, he was a composer and as a guitarist he was more interested in playing improvised guitar solos not rehearsed solos like Dave Gilmour et al.
Zappa could be cold and authoritarian, but on the guitar he released sounds and emotions that I have never heard in other virtuosos, and it is not a question of comparing but of feel the tension, poetry, or the violence of certain solos... Innovator, pioneer, genius of mixing genres.... Zappa Is one, or even several categories on its own! Van Halen said Frank's guitar playing sounded like the mechanical sound of a typewriter....I personally cannot can't understand that... Frank's music evolved technologically he was always at the cutting edge, he entered where few have entered!!! And yes he is one of the greatest guitarists who has been on earth ...
Yes, I heard that somewhere. I recall Van Halen saying Zappa’s guitar playing sounded like a “spastic typewriter”. I don’t know but, I’m guessing Van Halen probably didn’t really know Zappa’s playing all that well. Zappa was an original, innovative, and extraordinary guitarist (among many other things).
Can you refer a link to this ? I don't remember that. But I do remember an interview where the journalist asks EVH about his influence on young players (this was in the 80'S). Ed replied Me ? what do i have to do with all these kids sounding like typewriters ?? It had nothing to do with Zappa. I might be wrong of course but I don't see EVH saying something like that.
@thierryvidal63 Here it is. I was actually able to find it on the first search. They start talking about Zappa about 3:55. ruclips.net/video/J5NEBfOoYN8/видео.html
What a silly question, Zappa was incredible, some of the most original and innovative solos you will ever hear. To paraphrase Steve Vai, his style was more visceral than virtuoso... if some people mistake that for sloppy bad playing, well you know... that's just like, their opinion, man. Here's Vai describing his audition for Zappa's band: ruclips.net/video/r6cplMM3d_Q/видео.html
My sister says she "loves music". And she does. But I remember I was watching, for the umpteenth time, the Zappa Jam RUclips cover of Inca Roads. It was 2/3s through and one of the Xylophone arpeggios was playing, and she walked into the room and said "what the f..k is that?" and I think I heard anxiety in her voice.
I couldn’t agree with Andy more. Ironic watching you Rory react to Zappa protagonists. I’ve been watching Andy for quite some time. You are in as deep as it gets my friend. One point for me to add that Andy made a point of… Zappa did it first. This statement is so true. I’ve been saying it for decades. Zappa was the best guitarist ever.
Technically gifted guitar player are great, but I can't listen to them for long periods, Malmsteem for example whist a super player bores me . Jimi and Frank's playing while still technically very difficult, was much more organic, in the basic sense, more musical .
@@Roryreacts No, I don't actually play the keyboards, I just thought your own contribution to the subject at hand was miniscule in comparison to the lengthy and substantial discussion by Andy, I hardly noted any content from yourself.
Frank was an incredible player…chops for days and was as unique as they come…no solo was EVER the same…he never knew what he was going to play, not some horse shit that’s been practiced a thousand times then lazily regurgitated over and over
Zappa IS a little messy...and that's ok. People that like Zappa's guitar work like it because of the SPIRIT in it. If you ever saw Zappa live, you'd understand... he was a Shaman... a tonal wizard.
I have been in audiences of up to 30,000 people watching Zappa with their mouths hanging open and their eyes glazed over from being hypnotized by his playing...I'VE FELT it, myself....tons of times.
I remember that during the 1980 and 81 and 82 shows...I was on the edge of my seat, waiting for the next Zappa hypnotism session (There was usually about 5 or 6 of the 8 solo's per night that would qualify) and just sit back and be taken away by his playing.
Watching Zappa in Sept. and Dec. 1981....sit on the edge of the stage.. right next to the audience in Santa Cruz... and then again later in the tour in Berkely... during the second part of The Drowning Witch solo, is one of my cherished memories. Zappa with his feet dangling over the edge of the stage, like Huckelberry Finn...as he ripped the shit out of a Stratocaster.
yes Yes YES!!!!
Greatest visceral player in history. Being in the top 3 composers of all time helped his ability to create always original air sculptures in every repeated song he performed. Listen to Zappa guitar solos 28/10 solos. Best compilation of all time, in ANY genre, not just Franks. Even better than the shut up series. .
Good for you to cover this. I've seen most of your Zappa reactions. I think you've always had an appreciation but now you are gaining a perspective. I think Zappa was more influential as an innovator and not because of his cool guitar licks. Like Andy Edwards states, Zappa's playing is more based on his knowledge as a composer. He would take off in different modes, time signatures; occasionally pushing himself beyond his technique. I don't think he wanted polished technically correct guitar solos; he wanted something interesting to happen.
Frank almost always had someone like Vai, Belew, White, Keneally to do the technically correct and written guitar gymnastics anyway (though they were expected to improvise as well). Frank was much more, he was a composer and as a guitarist he was more interested in playing improvised guitar solos not rehearsed solos like Dave Gilmour et al.
Zappa could be cold and authoritarian, but on the guitar he released sounds and emotions that I have never heard in other virtuosos, and it is not a question of comparing but of feel the tension, poetry, or the violence of certain solos... Innovator, pioneer, genius of mixing genres.... Zappa Is one, or even several categories on its own! Van Halen said Frank's guitar playing sounded like the mechanical sound of a typewriter....I personally cannot can't understand that...
Frank's music evolved technologically he was always at the cutting edge, he entered where few have entered!!! And yes he is one of the greatest guitarists who has been on earth ...
Yes, I heard that somewhere. I recall Van Halen saying Zappa’s guitar playing sounded like a “spastic typewriter”. I don’t know but, I’m guessing Van Halen probably didn’t really know Zappa’s playing all that well. Zappa was an original, innovative, and extraordinary guitarist (among many other things).
Can you refer a link to this ? I don't remember that. But I do remember an interview where the journalist asks EVH about his influence on young players (this was in the 80'S). Ed replied Me ? what do i have to do with all these kids sounding like typewriters ?? It had nothing to do with Zappa. I might be wrong of course but I don't see EVH saying something like that.
@@thierryvidal63 Search : Eddie Van Halen Interview 1982/ not a fan of Frank Zappa or Andy Summers . The link I posted was deleted, so...
@thierryvidal63 Here it is. I was actually able to find it on the first search. They start talking about Zappa about 3:55. ruclips.net/video/J5NEBfOoYN8/видео.html
What a silly question, Zappa was incredible, some of the most original and innovative solos you will ever hear. To paraphrase Steve Vai, his style was more visceral than virtuoso... if some people mistake that for sloppy bad playing, well you know... that's just like, their opinion, man. Here's Vai describing his audition for Zappa's band:
ruclips.net/video/r6cplMM3d_Q/видео.html
My sister says she "loves music". And she does. But I remember I was watching, for the umpteenth time, the Zappa Jam RUclips cover of Inca Roads. It was 2/3s through and one of the Xylophone arpeggios was playing, and she walked into the room and said "what the f..k is that?" and I think I heard anxiety in her voice.
Totally curious about why people respond like this too.
Keep em comin Rory ...always interesting ... never really thought of Zappa per se 👊👍 mmm I can see a trip to discogs on the horizon
Andy Edwards is awesome. He has a way of explaining things that I would give my left... well, I'd like to be as good at it as him.
I couldn’t agree with Andy more. Ironic watching you Rory react to Zappa protagonists. I’ve been watching Andy for quite some time. You are in as deep as it gets my friend. One point for me to add that Andy made a point of… Zappa did it first. This statement is so true. I’ve been saying it for decades. Zappa was the best guitarist ever.
Without a doubt, Frank Zappa is the most innovative and creative and talented improviser on guitar
Andy gets Frank like nobody I’ve ever listened/ watched.
Technically gifted guitar player are great, but I can't listen to them for long periods, Malmsteem for example whist a super player bores me . Jimi and Frank's playing while still technically very difficult, was much more organic, in the basic sense, more musical .
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I’m rarely bored during one of Franks guitar solos….
Thats like asking was pele a good football player
Yes. Hendrix good.
Leeching on Andy Edwards, are you?
@@larseirikmrk6380 tough guy behind a keyboard, are you?
@@Roryreacts No, I don't actually play the keyboards, I just thought your own contribution to the subject at hand was miniscule in comparison to the lengthy and substantial discussion by Andy, I hardly noted any content from yourself.
I never got Zappa, just nonsense to me
What do you expect from "non-nonsense" music? Can you give examples? Are you a musician (I am not)?
Also curious about this@@adamnealis
Trust me, Frank wouldn’t want people like yourself to “get him”…Frank Zappa was the man
I smell a troll named vambo....@@adamnealis
@@wowwhywow I'm not a troll.
Frank was an incredible player…chops for days and was as unique as they come…no solo was EVER the same…he never knew what he was going to play, not some horse shit that’s been practiced a thousand times then lazily regurgitated over and over