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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Netflix's Kaleidoscope allows viewers to choose the order they watch. Does it work, and how does it build off Black Mirror: Bandersnatch from a few years ago?
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TV REVIEW/RECAP of: Kaleidoscope (Netflix)
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0:00 Kaleidoscope
1:18 Bandersnatch
3:15 The Limitations
5:01 Gaming The Algorithm
Created by: Eric Garcia
Starring: Giancarlo Esposito, Tati Gabrielle, Rufus Sewell, Peter Mark Kendall, Rosaline Elbay
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what was your colour order??....
...and did it even matter??
Haven’t watched it yet but mine is yellow, green, blue, orange, violet, red, pink white - and my brother who uses the same account but a different profile is the same - wonder if everyone starts with yellow/green if that’s the origin story?
@@jimkeane hey wtf I got the same order?? Was it really random after all or not
@@CuriousTrotter Interestinggggg - my GF got the same as you haha. Out of everyone I know, I've heard maybe 6 different orders, but Netflix keeps saying there's 5000. Hmmmmm
the best it white first.... sooo good
@@SceneItReviews on another youtube video i watched, the guy i was watching had the exact same order as me. i had a little bit of a reality crisis, but then i thought the same thing. even with the ones that dont match me, they seem to mostly always have green and yellow as the first two, and pink as the last before white. scary lol
I had a hard time because we're supposed to think Leo and Ava are brilliant masterminds, but they put up with a guy who is a problem from the very first second, and never stops being a problem. Someone smart would have refused to have him in the room, or just gotten rid of him quickly.
Yeah once Bob fucked up the Diamknd Way heist, I was like yh Leo is definitely kicking him out and they just never did or even really addressed his fuck up
Been thinking this the whole show! I’m sure there was other safe crackers in NY or elsewhere
@@loppyhero7196yeah he would have never been apart of the squad, couldn’t stand his character
BRO ONG. The second I heard him speak and interact with the other crew members I was shaking my head the whole time.
His wife was a big ol bowl of “SMFH” too 🤦🏾♂️
I enjoyed the show but I didn’t love it because the lack of character development and I felt like by the end I was like “that’s it?”
I agree and most characters were just annoying
Yeah I 100% agree, the story itself was really entertaining but the characters were lacking. I was literally just thinking the other day, there were no real likeable characters I was rooting for. Ray/Leo would probably be the most likeable but I found it odd how he refused to help Stan and Judy after the robbery went wrong. Like he had almost 200k in cash, the least he could do was give them like 20k since it was his daughter after all that took the money but it was never explained why he didn't help them. Stan was such a needy and annoying bitch who just keep chasing Judy even when it was clear she didn't want him, like have some self respect and you're married. Judy and Bob were fucking assholes. They made RJ way too socially awkward. Like that scene where Judy and Bob were making out, then he started talking like wtf was the point of that. I liked Ava until she turned rat like there was no possible way to help her nanny after she got a billion fucking dollars, but at least she finessed the FBI agent at the end.
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Ikr I watched pink last and was disappointed then I watched white and was disappointed
Same. My last two episodes were pink followed by white. The way pink panned out was very anticlimactic for me after all of the build up from the other episodes. The twists in white kind of made up for it but i kind of guessed a lot of what would happen. Overall felt like i was just robbed of my time lol.
It was a good show but the fact that so many people died and lost their lives for absolutely nothing (since Garrett only went to jail for like 8 years) was stupid. Everyone lost.
Ray is the villain and Netflix writers wanted you to root for him because they are hacks who don’t know how to give a man real motivation for vengeance.
Roger got scared and left then… less than 15 seconds later Ray is there. Yet Ray blamed roger all those years and ruins everyone else’s lives! Ray sucks just like this show. I was actually happy to see most of them die horribly. Only wish the spoiled brat daughter and the unlikeable and stupid couple died to make this better. She deserves to die for her betrayals and he deserves to die for getting his wife and mother killed.
Except the three, what were they, Nazis? They came out super happy.
@@bowdencable7094 Which three?
@@thepersiannarration961 the triplets lol
I think that's the main point of the story.
I just watched it in the order Netflix gave me which had White last and it was honestly a good show. Had they just marketed it as a cool heist show with the episodes out of order so the audience has to figure out what happened it probably would’ve gone down better rather than saying there’s a different experience for everyone cause it really doesn’t feel that way
from what ive heard everyone has the white episode as the last one
I mean, some people loved it cause the order they got fit the style they liked, others hated it cause of how long they felt like their order dragged on.
If that's not everyone having a different experience based on their episodes, I couldn't tell you what is.
They gave me green first, then yellow, blue, violet orange red pink white.
Honestly pretty satisfied with my order because green really established Leo's character for me. But by the time I was on pink, I thought, damn the heist must be so satisfying that they were convinced people would continue after watching this one. Tbh if they gave me either red or pink first, I would've bailed.
They never give u red or pink first they actually always put red and pink at 6th and 7th
Same order dude
agree
Same but switch blue and violet
@@jknifgijdfui Damn, didn't worked for me when you decide the order for yourself and it started with pink.
I actually did like the story but personally the watch in any viewing order doesnt really make much sense, the episodes are just vague enough to where you dont know everything, pink shouldve been the finale since i didnt really care so much about white after seeing everyones fate and the twist was just unneccesary, it wouldve been better than to just leave it as a mystery.
Boring and predictable twist after the fed ex man leaving right after a hurricane. Lazy writing.
I had pink second to last and it felt like the last episode which leading into the big main action of the heist was a bit weird
I had pink first which took away a lot of tension for me because I already knew the fate of some of those characters . Pink not white should have been the one you watch last.
i don’t think it’s possible to get pink as the first episode so i’m pretty sure you’re lying
The way I understood the explanation of how to watch this was that you could pick any order, so I manually picked my favorite color violet, and put my detective glasses on, to find the clues that would make the story whole , then my boyfriend told me that the automatic order was different for everyone, so I went back to the start once i'd fisnished violet. My "first one" was then green, then yellow, then orange, which means that I watched the first 4 episodes in chronological order by accident, I then got frustrated that the next one wasn't the heist one, so I watched the white first, then red, then pink, so I watched all of in chronological order. The fact that half of it already were in chronological order made it feel like plot blue balls when i realised the heist was the last one, because it was leading up to it so I just did what i wanted. To be fair i did not finsh the pink episode because to me it felt like the plot was over, which might be why the put the heist at the end. When I started at the violet episode I thought we were following each indiviual per episode. In my opinion if we were following a character each episode, how the got into crime, what got them into the particular heist, what their specific task were, and had to put the cohesiveness of the heist together our selves , then watched the mastermind/actual heist at the end, I think it would have been way more interesting. Also watching this in an chronological order made for a very boring story.
Fully agree with this, I got 3 in chronological order to start too, and that made me think I wasn’t getting the benefit of the non-linear format, but then when it finally changed in the fourth ep it didn’t really impact anything for me….
At least u didn't watch white last
Violet works better as a back story than as a set up. While there is some variability in the order in which they can be watched, some orders work better than others, and the chronological order apparently it's not one of them.
I've seen that many automatic orders end in white-pink, while pink-white is more common. My guess, white-red-pink will kill the pink episode.
People complain about character development… that was not the main point of the story. The point was to come into the story at different times and slowly pick up the pieces. The characters were pretty solid imo, We knew there whys and pieces of their past were slowly revealed. Not everyone needs a whole episode for background, people are always going to complain.
Yeah I liked the lack of character development. It made sense with the show's main two messages: "These people are bad and will suffer the consequences of their actions." and "Bad people with a lot of money can get away with tings."
That being said, Abbasi got done dirty tho ngl
Watched it and already forgot it. A 2 hour movie would have done.
I chose to just watch this in chronological order despite the order netflix gave me. I felt like i would have just been left confused if i watched it in the order they gave me
I watched in chronological order. I kept watching expecting a huge twist or payoff. Started off good but after the heist none of the above happened.
Yeah, because you should watch white as the last episode.
I find thinking about this stuff endlessly fascinating, as someone who is more into games than movies. I could genuinely talk about it for hours. There are many, MANY examples of games that try to borrow from cinema in the writing, aesthetics and cinematography, and while many of those have branching paths and several endings, the ones that tend to get more celebration are the ones that are actually linear. The Last of Us and God of War (2018) come to mind. It's interesting to see the opposite happening, movies borrowing interactivity from videogames, to varying degrees of success. I think this emphasis on branching storylines is fun, but not where the strength of games as a medium actually comes from!
For those interested in exploring the space between these two mediums more, I recommend playing Immortality. As far as I know, it is the best synthesis between the two spaces, to the point that I genuinely can't tell you if it's more game or more movie (though from a distribution standpoint it is _definitely_ a game). There is also a documentary and some very, _very_ good video essays about it that are definitely worth the watch.
Some good points made here, but I think overall it’s a little harsh. I enjoyed watching through and every episode considering ‘what would I be thinking if I had seen this one first?’ This made for a really unique experience. There are also good plot roundups/reveals in both white and pink, which were a nice payoff imo.
The main downside I am seeing is that although Netflix gives users different orders it’s definitely not random. Mine was the same as yours, except blue & violet were switched. They’ve set some rules in the ordering: pink and red never come early, green and yellow never come late, which is a bit of a shame.
Definitely recommending to friends though. Unique experience, not much time to commit to watching, nice story, satisfying conclusion.
Didn't know that Netflix made it random, so I chose it random for myself except white at the end. Was kind a weird to start with pink.😅
Ya I heard about this and was intrigued by the idea, but it didn't sound like it would be very good, unless each episode focused on a specific character that was a part of the heist or something
I don't really agree.
I like puzzles and I loved this show. I love thinking how everything fits together and overthinking. White delivered so much for me, stuff I figured out stuff I didn't expect at all it was great.
I watched the last episode first and the first episode second, from one extreme to the other because people I knew where picking random colors for me, but I went along with it.
I thought it would be one of the worst orders but I had a great moment because of it and I will delve into spoilers now.
So in the last episode Leo calls his daughter and I got an impression they haven't talked in a loong time, she's living her own normal life maybe doesn't even know what he does. Then I watch the first episode and see how she leaves his life. After that it's one day after the heist, red and I at the end the camera lingers on the secretary girl and I start thinking hmm that's sus and later she appears again and she starts being more sus. But I never made the connection she could be his daughter because from the first episode I watched it was in my mind as fact that she is just a sidepiece to move Leo's character by calling his daughter at the end. And it was a twist then when I watched green where Eva reveals that to him and to me (that she started working for Roger) and I loved it. The other episodes all included her and she was openly shown as his daughter, so for that aspect I got a perfect order though it may not seem like that at first.
This is why I really liked Telltale games (Especially The Walking Dead). I remember people criticizing how most of the choices that players can make are essentially meaningless because the narrative almost always brings itself back to the main story line. Telltale games present themselves as choose your own adventure games where you can alter the story, but in reality most of the story beats are fixed. Which is a valid criticism. That said, I enjoyed this because it allowed for some level of interaction and variance in the narrative, but still allowed the writers to craft a really good story.
I never knew I could randomly pick. I started with them in prison. Loved the beginning then it started getting weird and boring. The last episode was a mess
honestly after I saw pink i wouldn't have watched the remaining three episodes if it weren't for my boyfriend
Some people’s order led them to be more interested, others were ordered in a way that seems really uninteresting. Overall, the character writing was lazy and the action didn’t make up for it.
I’m so glad I picked violet first! I didn’t read any of the bios before I started the episodes. I feel I got lucky with that episode going first.
My order ended up being Orange, Green, Red, Violet, Yellow, Pink, Blue, White
I think starting with Orange was probably the most interesting point since it thrust me right into the thick of Nazan's operation to find Leo's group and the heist preparation. Only problem with it is that I think it ended up giving me expectations that never ended up being met.
Nazan ended up not really doing much beyond getting Roger behind bars and her ending just felt lacking to me.
Stan and Judy were probably the weakest characters overall, and RJ was severely underutilised. I think I'd have enjoyed the show less if it was in chronological order, the way I ended up watching it felt like an interesting scenario where it bounced from present, to past and then to the future.
It was a fun show and I'm glad the plot didn't overcomplicate itself but it was nothing mindblowing
Hadn’t heard of anyone getting Orange first, nice!
nazan's love story with that 16-year old looking boy was so forced, i died, it gave mother and son vibes
great analysis!
They gave me yellow first, which is the team building and jewelry store heist, which was quite exhiliarating for a first episode. It got worse later on.
The whole fire plot was eye-rollingly terrible. So badly written it bordered on camp.
You sound exactly like video game reviewer Ralf from Skill Up. I thought you were him until I saw your face 🤣 love the videos ❤️
Ray aka Leo is the villain. Anyone that followed Ray had their life ruined.
Netflix wanted you to root for the bad guy.
i watched white episode ,thats it. they said you could watch ANY episode
My first chapter was yellow. It seems that in most automatical orders or is either green or yellow. Last three for me were red, pink, and white. Pink and white seem to be the automatic last two episodes in either order.
I didn't felt confused by my automatic order. Yellow is the set up of the heist. Then I jump between the preparation and the back story. Finally the repercussion (red and pink) ending with the actual heist that filled the blanks and explained what actually happened.
Beginning with green (iirc I got it third, after yellow and blue) is the set up of the main characters: why the heist happens, even if the heist itself isn't talked about.
I'm not sure if other color could make a good starting point. Violet works better as backstory than as set up. I'm not sure if blue can work before yellow. Orange might be interesting as an starting point leading us into Naser rather than into Ray/Leo. Red? Might be an interesting starting point, kind of Reservoir-Dogsish. Pink and white should be final. Pink wouldn't make sense if we didn't already know the characters and their motivations as set up in the other proper colors. Beginning with white likely would spoil the show
Some friends raved about this series. Decided to give it a watch.
The plot was simplistic and boring and the characters are poorly written with personality of just annoying traits.
Made it thru 2 episodes
You masochist. Couldn't sit through one.
How bad is the characters?
Yeah terrible show
You dont even know the plot then you only saw 2 episodes
@@jknifgijdfui i saw almost one and is saw too much
The tone of the show seemed a bit more upbeat than it actually material. I didn’t like the ending, and I disliked half the characters. In fact I only liked Ray and Ava, everyone else sucked, especially Judy, Hannah and Assabi
Ray is the villain that ruined everyone’s life. Ava is just some spoiled brat.
Literally everyone would have been better off if Ray would have forgiven his friend for a single momentary lapse that likely did not result in the death portrayed.
My wife and I haven't watched it yet but just checked the same account on two different devices and hit different orders.
I chose my colour order and decided to watch pink first. It kinda ruined the episode since I hadn’t seen the characters for long enough to be as emotional as I would have been if I chose it near the end (I was definitely sad but I just didn’t know the characters enough to find it as emotional as it could have been). And it also ruined the whole series knowing that they all die, like any were close to being killed I didn’t really care.
Watched in chronological order. Makes you dislike the plot to be honest, all those episodes and not getting the 7 billion dollar payoff. But the concept of the order watched is unique and cool.
Bob almost single handedly ruined this show for me.
They should have had him sacrifice himself to save the heist crew or something. That would
Have made him interesting.
@Sultan Of Swing at the very least they could've shown what exactly made the chemist chick marry a clown like him. Maybe he did something so amazing in the past that she ended up loving him forever. But we as an audience have no idea what makes her be with him aside from liking a bad boy or some dumb sh!t.
Today I learned a swarm of butterflies is called a Kaleidoscope. This was not about butterflies
I had never heard of this show or the possibilities of episodes but it had me tripping balls after the first three episodes.
I watched it and I guess I enjoyed it, the premise was cool and I love Giancarlo, but this was not it. It took me forever to watch which is weird because I usually binge shows and finish them in a few days (or at least with weekly releases it leaves me wanting more) but here I watched one episode every day maybe every 2 it depends, it took me forever to get through and I just didn't enjoy it. I tried so hard to like it I really wanted to but I didn't. The characters were cardboard cutouts with absolutely zero real development because they had to be able to be watched in any order. Also I hated the humour, it got on my nerves and made me cringe so much, every single joke they made annoyed me and their is a fair few of them. The heist isn't that crazy either and I forgot about the show after I watched it only being reminded of it from this video (which is not a good thing). Its sad too because I think this is a pretty good idea and if done right can be incredible, my dad was really excited to watch this too when he heard about it and he left after 2 episodes. Kaleidoscope is an ok pretty standard run of the mill heist show with an interesting premise that was executed really poorly, it has some good acting and thats about it.
edit: my order I got was orange, green, yellow, violet, blue, red, pink and white
I got pink second to last and that made white more interesting, but the twist at the end of white made the series feel unsatisfying, it undid my need to understand character motivations and plot points, if it wasn’t for that I would have had a more favorable opinion of the series
You watch the pink episode last not before the white
Great video. Are you Skill Up btw? You sound like him
Yes I am
Nah dude, just another Aussie 👍
I got violet first followed by blue, green, yellow, orange, red, pink, white.
Id say the best order to watch would probably be yellow green and violet shuffled around the start then orange blue red pink white. I really liked it and most of the characters but there wasnt enough to grab onto for most of them. bob was clapped and I don't know how they all just let him be.
I really enjoyed this, though I think having Pink as the penultimate episode probably strung things out longer for me - had it come first or second, maybe I wouldn’t have felt that way.
If I wanted to watch an overcomplicated show about a single showstopper heist I'd watch Money Heist. Which I did. Well, only half of it, since I'm bad at binging, but it was good.
I think my order was rlly good because I really enjoyed the show and it was prtty well paced.
i watched bandersnatch too, but couldn't get into black mirror, hated it, haven't seen kaleidoscope, agree it'd be cool to see more stuff like this, but not sure how they'd go about it
although I think its an interesting things that could have been done, it has a very concise ending with white, and bassicly nothing else mattered theres not a lot of open ends or speculation just a regular show. and as for bandersnatch thats nothing new. when I was a child I had a dvd of "Playmobil: The Secret of Pirate Island" witch came out in 2009 and is the exact same idea of a choose your own adventure movie.
I dont think ending with white is the best way. Violette is a better ending
Shout out to Netflix's "Cat Burglar"
Gustavo Fring would have never let Bob get near him
06:30 Ooh, ouch, separate Netflix accounts…
You gotta watch pink first
Yeah i feel like if i had seen pink first then I would have been much more interested in everything that built up to it. Instead i had pink second to last, before white and after red and it just felt very anticlimactic.
I just didn't like that i knew the ending before the main plot
Had no idea that you were supposed to watch WHITE last. I watched it out the gate and did not like it. Guess I’ll finish it out watching the rest of it in chronological order
Ya Heard Meeeeee, Ya Heard 😭😭😭
It was kinda meh tbh but Ava grew on me
Honestly I like that the characters were unlikeable. The show makes it clear. Ray and Abbasi are obsessive. Salas (forgot his real name) is a greedy coward. Ava is a liar and a cheat. Judy prioritises thrill over reason. Bob is Bob. RJ is blinded by the 'coolness of crime' that is shown in most heist shows
Gus Fring
says mobile games are pretty simplistic
shows Into the Breach
I didnt care about anything as much after I'd seen the characters die
I still quite liked it though
You talk about other movies then the one in the title
Nothing gets past you chris
This certainly didnt work for me. First it was good Yellow, Green, Blue but jealous thr out of order shit got confusing and disappointing. I just wanted a fun heist show instead what it was a mezsed up jigsaw with a pretty weak stroy and disappointing character arks
I got Violet, Blue, Green Yellow, Orange, Red, Pink and White....didn't really like the series tbh...
If you like mindless simple to follow shows just for entertainment or background, this might be for you.
Show suggested "green" first to me. I made it to about 40% of the that episode.
The biggest issue is that the acting is terrible and there's a ton of cliches!
stupidest plot.
with a stupid gimmick of random order.
plot: Gus wants revenge on the Security dude for mistakes of Gus himself.
its amazing how Gus even thought of the other dude as the villain when Gus fucked up big time and was unnable to accept that he was a bad thief.
I thing that was genius. The show have us rooting for a man and his revenge story that was underserved.
There is a thing that didn't worked for me, though. Ray is set to be mostly a burglar who hadn't scored more than six digits, caught in his first major heist, and now is planning a high tech 10 digit heist...
Roger didnt save leo’s wife. Still not a revenge plot?
@@bunmeng007 Leo's motivation is indeed revenge. The question is how deserved was this motivation. The idea of the Club heist was from Leo out of revenge on how the Club treated wife and daughter, it is not like Roger pushed this to Leo. Roger asked Leo to inform Lily, which Leo decided not to. Planning was poor and they were caught. In their attempt to flee Roger starts the arson with they both unaware that Lily was in. When they realized that Lily was in the Club they both run back in to search her. Roger came closer to Lily but panicked.
So Roger is responsible for starting the arson, and for not attempting to save Lily when he panicked in the last minute. Leo is responsible for the failed heist, for not informing his wife to stay away; he is not completely innocent to the fate of Lily yet he chose to blaim it all on Roger.
He could have just grabbed lily and ran, but he didn't.
Also he started a new life with money and a family and just let Leo/ Ray rot in prison, instead of helping him with his money.
Then after all this he even groomed Hannah to be his employee right out of college?
All this is creepy and seems as if he hated Ray from the beginning and wanted to destroy his life.
So yeah the revenge made sense.
@@jennyyyy189 In Pink, as Leo meets Roger in prison he asks if he could've saved Lily. Roger answers that he didn't know. The bare fact that Leo asks, and that Roger with nothing to lose respons as he responds, is a testimony that the situation was ambiguous.
As for Hannah, it can be seen as being sorry of redemption. He could not save Ray nor Lily, he compensates by giving Hannah a much better opportunity and making her his left hand: sharing with her what he couldn't share with his former friends. Remember that Hannah was pushed away by Ray.
And how much room would have Roger have with his new identity and fortune to help Ray in prison without exposing himself?
These answers, from Roger's point of view, fall into an “I don't know”.
I don't think that Roger acted okay. Just that there was likely not the malice that Leo read.
I could tell from the start of the story this would be a waste of time. It was.
Dude your too kind, this movie has really bad acting, actors are so lame. The plot is super average and nothing intereseting. A waste of time this movie
Just watched.
No character stood out for me.
The story line became very predictable as the story progressed.
It was awful. Biggest waste of my time.
This isn't really bad to you. To me it was. I couldn't get through one episode.
Lol brutal - do you remember what episode you got first?
I mean for me it went like 👆 👇
White being last is stupid