@@totallyawesomeusername9307 it is, every unit in the game has a 15% chance to resist a debuff no matter what, so 85 is the maximum accuracy you can have on a unit, anything above that is just a waste.
Dont agree with the 1st one as I've had mons miss important debuffs on rift beasts which hampered my scores multiple times and that's with 20-30% acc. They are decent now though.
I think on rift beasts it also was 15%, but yeah everything else is perfect (even included the gb12 midboss lolz) But if this dude named Shizophrenic Gamer goes on with giving such blatantly wrong info about his team like no skill ups needed or 100% acc needed im going to unsub him... aswell as abigail does the job of lapis A LOT better since she strips and lapis doesnt
as a mid-game player, this was something that was very frustrating for me. I've found that most of these large sw content creators are actually terrible at making teams for new players. They never consider rune quality, skill ups, towers, etc. They use their high quality runes and only focus on making a team purely for the mechanics of a monster, only when it is fully skilled up, has specific stats, etc. It is baffling, really.
The only problem with that team is that my Loren refuses to strip when the boss gets immunity, legit everytime she violate procs gets 5 turns and not once does she decide to strip
(Commenting on the description) If you're at the point in the game where you can't make a water homunculus, you're also probably not ready for db12 anyway. And just to clarify, it doesn't work the same the other way, just because you have a water homunculus doesn't mean you are ready for db12.
Great video, very helpul, wish we had you doing vids for heir of light, we literally have nobody doing videos on late game stratagies. Its an open market for gameplay help.
A good F2P replacement (makes run faster) for Loren is light homunculus. Purification (strip), Accelerate (heal + atb boost), and Rock On (team up + atk buff) build.
Cant thank you enough bagey. Ive been 6 staring all monster that i could to auto db12 and none succeed. When I watch this video I was like ' argh another 6 star wasted'. But turn out 2.30 minutes run with no fail. I know 2.30 is not that much but man, seeing 10/10 on auto db12 makes me feel like progressing. I tweak your team a little bit. Verde (L), Loren, Water Homun ( All lower skills), lapis, 2a Spectra with no skill up.
I have been using the light Ifrit as tank + precision for dragon b12. I love him. He's stealing buffs non-stop. I use Loren, light Ifrit, Kro, Fran, Sigmarus and verdehile as leader. I usually get 9 out of 10 times on dragon b12.
You can also use Triton (Water Sylph) with high acc. and pref on violent as substitute for Lapis. With Spectra he always hits with 2cnd skill which does 2x -75% atb reduction - works also good, mine is even still 5 star😅
Important question tho, I have multiple teams set aside for me to work on to setup for endgame. What endgame content would you suggest to gun for first
Have you ever shown this difference between the success rates of account with no speed tower uprgrades in the higher lvl dungeons compared to an account that has the speed tower at max? How much faster would people need their runes to be if they are missing the speed tower upgrade?
Tyrone is another good option. I run Verde, Loren, Tyrone, Kro, Taor - 2:00 avg runs and 99% win rate (I've only failed once or twice since autofarming came out) My Taor is also 65% acc, so that helps
when he says that spectra should be faster, he means spectra can be as fast as needed to still take turn 2 after loren. He'll sometimes reach boss and use skill 2 first so if loren doesn't go first to def break you're wasting a huge amount of damage. I was failing because of this before frr, teams a lot better now : Verde, Khali, Spectra, raoq and loren.
bagel i have rica asima and water homunculos and it doesnt matter what combination i use i cant make a safe tatu db12 team, i would love to see a video teaching how to do it
working on spectra second awakening atm,i have 6*lapis but isnt water humanculus better also i have humanculus skill reset how do you think witch tree shold i go cleanse or frezze? verde spectra loren water humanculus fire inugami will work?
Why 100% acc? I thought max to aim for in B12s was 65? Wasn't it 85 and they changed it to 65? Can someone confirm this because I've been confused on this point for weeks thanks to Reddit.
I like using Elsharion. I haven’t skilled mine up at all, but he already steals the immunity for my whole team more often than my Bella or Loren actually strips it off. And they are either mostly or fully skilled up. His passive enables him to steal beneficial effects with any of his abilities, and that makes his strip/steal more effective more often.
Instead of Raoq, can I use Kro instead tho?. I meant, I just came back to the game and when I quit back then, there was no 2a yet and Raoq was not actually a thing. I decided to build kro first when I first came back and I saw that Kro could do pretty much anything Raoq could except the passive.
Would Bella2A be a good replacement for Loren? If Loren is mainly used for her strip, ATB reduction, and def break, then I think Bella would be much safer. At least Bella is smarter with her strip skill. I am not trying to say you're wrong. This is just what I think, but if I am wrong, could someone explain why I am wrong. Thanks
Prospero Jimenez i thought it was an OR. Meaning a resistance check is done to determine resistance value, if that value is less than 15% it is increased to 15%
Dunno if you'll see this comment, might just get burried, but have you considered the water serpent, Shailoq, for DB12 in place of an atk bar decrease? She has skill one 75% strip, skill two triple-hit max hp single-target atk bar decrease, and skill three triple-hit aoe atk bar decrease based on max hp. I feel like on a violent/focus set paired with Raoq or something she could be an absolute atk bar decrease and strip monster. Just some food for thought though.
Dayum, just looked at Shailoq and they also get 15spd awakening, so 115 Spd Base... save for the DefBreak that Loren brings, Shailoq is looking really smexy.
Shailoq is easily usable. I use the old Si**arus Spectra Belladeon Megan Veromos as in the good old days and it works fine. But it is as slow as it used to be. around 2:00.
Just use Belladeon if your loren is stupid like mine. This little dawg has a rly smart AI. Only uses 2nd skill if the dragon has immunity and in a wave Bella attacks different monsters to pushback the attackbar and spread the attackbreak.
i do ATK/CD/ATK on my spectra because with verde there is no shortage of turns for him so for my case I don't need him to go first/second. also when Raoq pulls him, his S1 does a ton more damage this way. i slapped a S2 CD artifact on him so he S2 the boss for >50k. spectra is worth devilmon. I always take him for TOA/H 100, even before 2A.
Игры
“Nothing is 100% win rate”
Triple Icaru and Verde: “Hold my empty fifth slot”
If they never defense break, you die.
Nico Fo is it not infinite turns though thanks to turn cycling with Verde?
@@mocchasin432 No is not, 14 turns before dragon moves, that explains why you need Better than BJ5 runes on verde
TMD KNS guess mine will need work. Currently building the team. Verde is +1800 attack, 220 CD and 100 CR
I run Cadiz in my 5th slot and it kicks ass
I got it to work the first time, but when I did repeat battles, damn Loren needs to reevaluate her life choices.
LOL!!!
Me: *watching video*
Bagel: showing all the units with Violent.
Me: I need to get violent to farm violent.....
Still me: ...back to db10
Disclaimer: Your Spectra MUST be skilled up for this team.
Rendezvous On Memory Lane like the 2a spectra needs to be skilled up? Or just spectra in general
@@Whalev1 i devilmon'd my 2a spectra. he's way better skilled up.
@@Whalev1 has skll cooldown on s2 and rate up on s3 so yes he definitly needs to max s2 and s3
Zaleww 2a skilled up or normal
@@Whalev1 2a obviously
“Nothing is 100% win rate”
*My GB1 team*
chow lumirecia bastet praha mihyang. most op db1 team
"you're not using.." jokes ony you, my Lapis is one of my most used Monsters ^^
Raoq too, loren too,.....
Jokes on you my lapis is 5 star xD
@@zz_raoq U should 6* her, she is a good farmer faimon
@@zz_raoq jokes on you my lapis is 6 starred and maxed out
I use Linda
I watch my loren not use 2nd skill 4 times in a row, ai is beyond in sw
eirgar is also stupid
@@ml7137 Yes eirgar was so bad in iron fortress just max skilled him now he works but he still needs 90-100 accuracy which is also stupid
bruh there funnier stuff like fran ignoring s3 for 4 turns , Lushen ignoring s3 for 4turns^^
@@ml7137 They did buff him an update or two ago in case u didnt know or does he still derp? lol
@@mtndewprettygud6416 still derp. Yes, less than before, but he still derp.
Accuracy Benchmarks
0% - Rift beasts
15% - Raids
24% - SF10/PC10
34% - Dimensional Hole
45% - GB10/NB10/TOA/TOAH
54% - GB12/NB12
55% - DB10
65% - DB12
85% - GB10+ for mid boss (used on def breaker in speed teams)
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer
100% is a waste by the way.
This is gold info
Well pvp 100% isn’t a waste but yeah most people don’t have a lot of monsters on 100% res
@@totallyawesomeusername9307 it is, every unit in the game has a 15% chance to resist a debuff no matter what, so 85 is the maximum accuracy you can have on a unit, anything above that is just a waste.
Dont agree with the 1st one as I've had mons miss important debuffs on rift beasts which hampered my scores multiple times and that's with 20-30% acc. They are decent now though.
I think on rift beasts it also was 15%, but yeah everything else is perfect (even included the gb12 midboss lolz) But if this dude named Shizophrenic Gamer goes on with giving such blatantly wrong info about his team like no skill ups needed or 100% acc needed im going to unsub him... aswell as abigail does the job of lapis A LOT better since she strips and lapis doesnt
Thanks so much for this bagel!, I have now found my stable and quite fast team just because of this! Loving it so far!
JB: dont need insane runes.
ALso JB: shows +183 speed loren with +18kHP
JB: ". . . she's kinda on the faster side" LOL
as a mid-game player, this was something that was very frustrating for me. I've found that most of these large sw content creators are actually terrible at making teams for new players. They never consider rune quality, skill ups, towers, etc. They use their high quality runes and only focus on making a team purely for the mechanics of a monster, only when it is fully skilled up, has specific stats, etc. It is baffling, really.
"i know some of you fed her"
me: *cowers in shame*
“Loren will always defense break”
My Loren:Are u challenging me?
The only problem with that team is that my Loren refuses to strip when the boss gets immunity, legit everytime she violate procs gets 5 turns and not once does she decide to strip
>"Verdehile just has to move everyone else on the team"
>moves before Lapis.
Awesome idea! Keep testing building units. This team work like a charm👍✌
Super thank you bagel!!! I'm currently using this line up and IT REALLY EFFIN WORKS!!!!! 💪🏻♥️
(Commenting on the description)
If you're at the point in the game where you can't make a water homunculus, you're also probably not ready for db12 anyway. And just to clarify, it doesn't work the same the other way, just because you have a water homunculus doesn't mean you are ready for db12.
"No 100% team"... Icaru: I am a joke to you?
Great video, very helpul, wish we had you doing vids for heir of light, we literally have nobody doing videos on late game stratagies. Its an open market for gameplay help.
nice, i was looking for sb12 team, since i juz started again, and this actually made it work for me. thx alot
Oh my god, thanks for this, immediately trying my lapis and it works.. Mine replaced raoq with ken.
Thanks for the tip to have verde as last to move. Makes my team more consistent. :)
Just built this and it's not 100% spd tuned but seems to work anyways, thx man!
Love how this is free to play friendly as well!
How is your L/D account doing in the B12's?
thanks for the info bagel
Now what are the tunes for best Nat 4s that would be a super helpful video🎉
8:06 I recognize that rune from an old video..... not sure if good memory or just watch too much bagel
A good F2P replacement (makes run faster) for Loren is light homunculus. Purification (strip), Accelerate (heal + atb boost), and Rock On (team up + atk buff) build.
Cant thank you enough bagey. Ive been 6 staring all monster that i could to auto db12 and none succeed. When I watch this video I was like ' argh another 6 star wasted'. But turn out 2.30 minutes run with no fail. I know 2.30 is not that much but man, seeing 10/10 on auto db12 makes me feel like progressing.
I tweak your team a little bit.
Verde (L), Loren, Water Homun ( All lower skills), lapis, 2a Spectra with no skill up.
I have been using the light Ifrit as tank + precision for dragon b12. I love him. He's stealing buffs non-stop. I use Loren, light Ifrit, Kro, Fran, Sigmarus and verdehile as leader. I usually get 9 out of 10 times on dragon b12.
U can Use 6units in your db12? That's unfair
I know this came out a year ago but I was wondering if I can swap vio focus for despair / focus on lapis on spd/hp/accuracy?
Me: BaGel nO mOrE fIrE M. BiSoN
Bagel: 😈
I've been saying that Lapis underrated. I've been using Abigail though for the extra strip and atb reduction.
Me too
You won’t need extra strip when you run Lapis... cause she has aoe atkbar reduction which means the immunity tower won’t move
@@noname1752 abigail also has aoe atb reduction genius
Yophono oh really? Didn’t know that 😅
No Name won’t movie mmmmm not sure about that ... what are the stats of your lapis
You can also use Triton (Water Sylph) with high acc. and pref on violent as substitute for Lapis. With Spectra he always hits with 2cnd skill which does 2x -75% atb reduction - works also good, mine is even still 5 star😅
for once i can proudly say: i have zero problems with the stability of my db12 runs!
on an unrelated note, i also have yet to make it to db12 :P
Also Bagel, give a shot to Icaru instead of Raoq. He pulls 3 allies, which means he'll always pull at least Lapis or Loren! Love your vids!!
Alacia AI sucks, especially in faimon.
She uses her s1, until there is 1 mon left, then uses an aoe attack
Important question tho, I have multiple teams set aside for me to work on to setup for endgame. What endgame content would you suggest to gun for first
Have you ever shown this difference between the success rates of account with no speed tower uprgrades in the higher lvl dungeons compared to an account that has the speed tower at max? How much faster would people need their runes to be if they are missing the speed tower upgrade?
Been using Lapis for years now xD ain’t no secret to me she’s been useful. Especially after that balance patch a few years ago that made her OP
Tyrone is another good option.
I run Verde, Loren, Tyrone, Kro, Taor - 2:00 avg runs and 99% win rate (I've only failed once or twice since autofarming came out)
My Taor is also 65% acc, so that helps
I must say, thank you a lot man!!!!!!! LIKE A LOOOOOOOOOOTTT
when he says that spectra should be faster, he means spectra can be as fast as needed to still take turn 2 after loren. He'll sometimes reach boss and use skill 2 first so if loren doesn't go first to def break you're wasting a huge amount of damage.
I was failing because of this before frr, teams a lot better now : Verde, Khali, Spectra, raoq and loren.
Saw this video, excited, tried it out. Failed instantly xD
Is bagel gonna upload another episode of Giana project...
DAT RAOK AT THE START THO O.O
isnt 100% accuracy a waste given the cap of 85%?
Sounded like a Buck Rogers throwback
lol lapis fed mine at the start
do you think marble would be good to on cd he could make team really fast with his s3 doing enemy max hp dmg and it being on a 3 turn cooldown
I don’t even have my lapis anymore
Is there an updated video of this?
bagel i have rica asima and water homunculos and it doesnt matter what combination i use i cant make a safe tatu db12 team, i would love to see a video teaching how to do it
8:03
JewBagel: Spectra is not that fast.
Me: +80 spd I guess is good on my Spectra.
Thank you
I've seen Spectra on so many sets, is he better on Swift or Violent? Mine has no skill ups if that makes a difference.
Why everytime i use teams that i see in videos my units always potato
working on spectra second awakening atm,i have 6*lapis but isnt water humanculus better also i have humanculus skill reset how do you think witch tree shold i go cleanse or frezze? verde spectra loren water humanculus fire inugami will work?
I'm hesitating since lapis is my farmer and idk what's gonna happen if i rerune her to accuracy.
Pray for dupe!
I mean her third skill is pretty reliable for healing since its a 3 turn cooldown
Why 100% acc? I thought max to aim for in B12s was 65? Wasn't it 85 and they changed it to 65? Can someone confirm this because I've been confused on this point for weeks thanks to Reddit.
okay gonna try this team
Does lapis need to be on dispair focus or vio? Or the normal free rune
I didnt get the runes from scenario that u get for completing the last island is there any way for me to get them?
Can someone link me the vid with Cadiz in db12? I can’t find it
lapis to water cannon girls? and ken for branding and strip on s2 decent? can you try this bagel?
What's an 'AOE attack age decrease"?
I like using Elsharion. I haven’t skilled mine up at all, but he already steals the immunity for my whole team more often than my Bella or Loren actually strips it off. And they are either mostly or fully skilled up. His passive enables him to steal beneficial effects with any of his abilities, and that makes his strip/steal more effective more often.
can you share your line up? I have been using chilling, but failed nonetheless.
is the repeat system out, if it is how do I access it?
... but what if the fourth thing goes wrong?
Is there something i can change lapis for?
How does the roaq teamup mechanic work? how come he always attacks with your lapis?
Instead of Raoq, can I use Kro instead tho?. I meant, I just came back to the game and when I quit back then, there was no 2a yet and Raoq was not actually a thing. I decided to build kro first when I first came back and I saw that Kro could do pretty much anything Raoq could except the passive.
Would Bella2A be a good replacement for Loren? If Loren is mainly used for her strip, ATB reduction, and def break, then I think Bella would be much safer. At least Bella is smarter with her strip skill. I am not trying to say you're wrong. This is just what I think, but if I am wrong, could someone explain why I am wrong. Thanks
Finally a video I can relate too I suck so much lol I don’t know good team comps
nice vids thanks you
So what are the minimum stats for a roaq on vio/blade?
Verde, SA Bella, Aegir, Chilling, SA Spectra is my team. It's very consistent.
finally... LAPIS..
Thanks god
Why dont I have Spectra built? Cause its a game and he doesnt work for me. Only unit I regret 6*ing.
why do you get 100% acc if there is always a 15% chance resist?
Because if you have 85% acc that 15% chance will make you have 70%acc, but if you have 100% acc you will have the 85% ideal
Prospero Jimenez i thought it was an OR. Meaning a resistance check is done to determine resistance value, if that value is less than 15% it is increased to 15%
@@prosperojimenez9612 bruh thats not how it works
What if I feed my lapis? What can i use for her?
Dunno if you'll see this comment, might just get burried, but have you considered the water serpent, Shailoq, for DB12 in place of an atk bar decrease? She has skill one 75% strip, skill two triple-hit max hp single-target atk bar decrease, and skill three triple-hit aoe atk bar decrease based on max hp. I feel like on a violent/focus set paired with Raoq or something she could be an absolute atk bar decrease and strip monster. Just some food for thought though.
If serpents get a 2a I can see the water serpent being crazy good
I contacted the devs about the wording on her/his skills once, the damage is based on your max hp, not enemy max hp
Dayum, just looked at Shailoq and they also get 15spd awakening, so 115 Spd Base... save for the DefBreak that Loren brings, Shailoq is looking really smexy.
he made a shailoq vid for db10 a while ago. so im sure shailoq would be great in db12
Shailoq is easily usable. I use the old Si**arus Spectra Belladeon Megan Veromos as in the good old days and it works fine. But it is as slow as it used to be. around 2:00.
what if we use icaru instead of raoq?
I have been running dragon using Verde, Loren, Lapis, Vero and my hidden MVP, Lulu!
Does lapis really need to be on vio spd hp hp or cdmg hp?
time to build my lapis after 3 years on storage sitting at 5 stars
What if the 4th thing goes wrong?
Nice I fed my lapis super early game and so I have no idea how to use thx
Bagel, how can i get you to look at my account? I have lots of runes but don't know what to put where plz help
do you need max level towers to do b12 teams?
do i need to max skill lapis here? its just dmg right?
I fed my Lapis, then com2us gave me her again 4 times from toa legendaries
Same here, god bless them, i kept them all and now mine is max skilled lol cool
are there more mons that aoe hit like lapis?
What the queue like for you to inspect accounts?
Just use Belladeon if your loren is stupid like mine. This little dawg has a rly smart AI. Only uses 2nd skill if the dragon has immunity and in a wave Bella attacks different monsters to pushback the attackbar and spread the attackbreak.
i was having so much trouble with it too, but i finally made a team x....x
...The Griffins... THE GRIFFINS... ThE GrIfFiNs!
i do ATK/CD/ATK on my spectra because with verde there is no shortage of turns for him so for my case I don't need him to go first/second. also when Raoq pulls him, his S1 does a ton more damage this way. i slapped a S2 CD artifact on him so he S2 the boss for >50k. spectra is worth devilmon. I always take him for TOA/H 100, even before 2A.
To think in 2022 we get everything + free materials to 6* lapis now